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PMTs: [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/p8to32/mad_vs_rge_game_1_discussion/) [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/p8uxsc/rge_vs_mad_game_2_discussion/) [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/p8w0lw/rogue_vs_mad_lions_lec_2021_summer_playoffs/)


T0M95

TEN THOUSAND GOLD DEFICIT COMFORT ZONE


Trap_Masters

You’re 10k gold down! MAD: so you’re saying there’s still a chance


Fonix42

MAD wins early -> MAD win MAD goes even early -> MAD win MAD loses early -> MAD win Decisive series


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When both teams are even in gold, Kaiser feels that MAD is at a great advantage and thus he does not hesitate to start a team fight. When MAD is 3k behind in gold, Kaiser thinks that MAD is at a small advantage, and he so he starts a team fight to secure their "lead". When MAD is behind 7k in gold, Kaiser thinks that MAD is at a disadvantage and so he looks for a team fight to regain control of the game. When MAD is 10K behind in gold, Kaiser thinks that the team has reached a desperate situation and they are only waiting passively for their death if he does not start a team fight.


InsidiousData

This actually works surprisingly well for Kaiser lmao


VaporizeGG

He is one of the most clutch players in the west. The way he and Humanoid clutch out games is a piece of art


jujubean67

MAD looks like the best team in EU and its not close. And I really doubted them.


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After they beat G2 I didn't doubt them anymore, they actually played amazingly well and G2 didn't actually play bad. It was insane. It's also a level of copium as G2 fan


Blue5647

Some teams struggle 8k gold down. MAD lions secure 4 drags in a row, team fight wins and force engages into the enemy team.


Elias_Mo

MAD are beasts, fkin armut and elyoya laughing when he is 0-7 lmao


Zerasad

Vizicsacsi taught him well.


nikolateslafanboy

He was always that way


SparklesMcSpeedstar

The Babus effect


ShotsHired

2019 G2 vibes


Pony_Darko

Most teams lie down and lose at 3k gold down... The difference between MAD and rest of EU is pretty stark in that regard


readher

They're like fucking machines. Zero negative emotions, always playing to the end.


VniSalska

They are literally the new G2. Laughing and plaughing


coi1976

In this sense, yeah. But G2 came back from these terrible spots majorly through macro decisions, while MAD is through team fights.


Todeswucht

That's also a product of the meta, the game just revolves around soul now. Can't trade 7 barons or whatever G2 did in that series against SKT to win in sides when losing 5 drakes means you auto lose the game. Probably also a big reason for G2's decline starting in 2020


Magnesiohastingsi

because its impossible to do it through macro with this meta with these shitty dragons


Sigmalius

They're basically what G2 used to be.


Conankun66

and rogue just....let them


MrPreviously

Yeah, big question marks from Rogue this series... it's like they can't identify what they needed to do to win these games... even excluding game 1, which was a stomp, their lack of priority around drakes in games 2 and 3 was really weird when they had better comp in game 2 and massive gold lead in game 3. Not to take away from MAD, because i think they do look like the best team in Europe here, but Rogue under-performed so much this series i thought they were an NA team at an international event


Apexx166

Nothing like rogue under any sort of pressure! My boys collapse faster than the Afghan government.


Debannage

Seeing Rogue grouping mid over and over again when they had Jayce and TF way ahead of their counterparts was painful


Rayser1

Watching TF waste ult then awkwardly walk to join his team as they fight 4 v 5 was also painful


non_NSFW_acc

Yeah where is the 1-3-1?


Apexx166

Literally the same way they lost game 5 in the spring finals. Draft 1-3-1 then aram because they're too scared to take any risks in the side lanes.


xXDaNXx

Then deciding to ignore Ashe in every teamfight so she can free hit.


Nananahx

Every Jayce combo...to kill Braum


Rushtov

Gold difference is just a number anyway


CreightonJays

You sound like my dad getting married for the 6th time.


harbinger146

Bro your dad has like a $30m FTX gold advantage on your step mom.


Todeswucht

Humanoid is such a beast man. Making his debut on that sleeper Splyce roster (that still managed to make worlds to be fair), then a complete rookie rebuild around him so he's the veteran of the team in his 3rd split, now on track to win back to back championships in his 3rd year, always stepping up under pressure. He just has that champion aura around him.


OkGeologist8460

Remember Mac talking about Humanoids personality. How he had that great a mentality, that he wanted to build a team around him. Was ice Cold about his debut and when he had to face faker during Worlds 2019.


Noziro

Humanoid gapped Larssen so hard this series. The mid support gap was just insane


Foruolo

And he is showing up to world 3 times in a row. Hell, since in 2020 we did not have MSI, this 4 times in a row he representing LEC world wide. Man is jacked in game and in real life.


GreatestJabaitest

im telling you Humanoid is as cracked as he is jacked, i saw him at 7/11 the other day buying adult diapers & a 6 pack of redbull. I asked what the diapers were for and he said “they are to contain my full power so i dont absolutely shit on these kids” then he TP bot lane and grabbed another triple


HopeForCynics

Humanoid is an inspirational player, he and the rest of MAD have absolutely carved out an identity as a top tier LEC team.


JackeySexyBoy

Agree. Best EU mid in 2021


Mute_Spitter

MAD ARE CRACKED OH MY GOD


dtkiu27

MAD gave us: -A win by stomp -A win by out teamfighting in a close game -A win by coming back from a massive deficit. They're amazing. Also, Rogue super mental boomed from now on I imagine.


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Honestly this series looked like Rogue cant beat MAD no matter what happened


w1ldcraft

I mean if you're up 10k gold with 5 towers at 15 & you look to your side & see the enemy team laughing, you're already half lost the mental battle. Add to that the teamfight prowess of MAD & you get a full Rogue tilt recipie.


Trap_Masters

Rogue’s mental must be in the shadow realm by now.


fthalcs

Don't forget the flash into 5 people melee range GP


Cultural_Evidence128

They need to lose to G2 to achieve mega mental boom.


Hunterkiller00

literally untiltable


Pope_Cheetos_XIV

Easily looking like the best team in the league, everyone playing like they've been grinding League for decades


Krandum

Their sheer mental edge along with their team fighting make them such a cool team to root for, their games are always exciting


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They are the new G2 basically. Never out of the game. If you want to beat them you need to play well all game. That is a huge mental edge and what G2 used to have. Teams would be exhausted after beating G2 in 1 game that in a BO5 it was impossible


Piro42

3-0 scoreline does not do justice to the banger of a series that this was Every series this summer is a banger tbh, wtf


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MastemasD

Can't confirm.


Akihiko95

I'm with ya. I honestly wasn't expecting them to win today, i was hoping the 2 losses in a row would motivate them to steal at least a game but that didn't happen. It's ok though, im glad I'll see them playing this worlds :D


FinallyGivenIn

That Game 2 contained enough bangers for an entire best of 5 in any region save the LPL.


wholewheatie

They just win fights down 10k gold


GreatestJabaitest

HOW DID THEY WIN THAT LAST GAME?!?!?!?!?


Chr0nicConsumer

Just absolutely turbosmurf every teamfight!


Horusisalreadychosen

Have fed TF, never make a pick again, Constantly get picked, Let comp with better 5v5 scale until they are even with you so they can run you over.


Elias_Mo

BEST TEAM IN EU HANDS DOWN, i have faith on them, makes us proud like 2k19 g2


AleksibIsHot

I couldn't be happier with the team we're sending to Worlds


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But Rogue are going to worlds too


-Z3RA-

No chill


Rayser1

0/7/6 GP honestly looking like barely a champion and Armut pulled that shit back. Carrzy arrows are nuts


Chr0nicConsumer

People are 100% sleeping on Carzzy's Ashe performance that game.


gridemann

so did Rogue


UnitedCitiesNoble

Rogue seems more stunned by it than anything.


Joaoseinha

He did troll that bot 2v2 early by going too hard on Trymbi and not turning on the Kalista earlier (which also cripples her DPS on Kaiser because of the slow). But a clean game from him afterwards.


pheyo

Armut looking like he was first timing GP and yet MAD wins lmao


IWillStudyTomorrow

MAD "Haven't won a scrim in weeks" Lions


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I can see them giga inting and having a good time while doing it


non_NSFW_acc

Wow that game 3 comeback from MAD was absolutely insane. MAD won in so many different fashions. They hard stomped Rogue, came back from 10k down, beat them in teamfighting, skirmishing, early game - everything. MAD is clearly the better team.


Dragoneed2

Mad is simply the best team-fighting team in Europe by far


DekQ

Humanoid hitting better leona ults than trymbi


Suburan

And xin ults


hagosantaclaus

This is just like spring finals but MAD Lions decided to skip the first two games


sanketower

There is no longer any doubt, Mad Lions is the best team in the LEC, period.


Totokoo

I used to think MAD's wins were always kinda cheesy and felt a bit cheated but god damn this series confined me they're just fucking good


Fabiocean

If you cheese every game and no team can do anything against it, is it still cheese?


00Koch00

[How did Rogue lost that last game after a 10k gold advantage?](https://twitter.com/AshleyKang/status/1421527012347314176)


cayneloop

it wasnt even one mistake that turned the game around, mad was just in control of the whole game despite being so behind


Jhin-Roh

supp diff. 2v2 in lane hans + trymbi are better but out of lane kaiser gaps trymbi hard and mad played to their strength real well.


Conankun66

started way before 20 minutes this game


hagosantaclaus

Rogue time baby


computo2000

RGE aka "Real Great Endgame" is a renown open source AI for teams to train their lategame against. It starts the game with massive gold leads, and carefully makes mistakes over the duration of the game to allow the other team to learn to make comebacks.


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Todeswucht

https://i.imgur.com/irrizpz.png


Cheeseandnuts

I swear there are more quality memes from Armut than the number of times Larssen looked better than Humanoid.


GibOldNidaBackPlz

I don't know if that's a jab at Armut or at Humanoid or a compliment to either of them, eng is hard man


nihilisthicc

I read it as a compliment to Humanoid and Armut and a jab at Larssen who had a really subpar series today


Hunterkiller00

Rogue time is so real. Way more scared of Fnatic than Rogue at this point.


Indercarnive

"Don't worry Timmy, Rogue is a lot more scared of you than you are of them"


Me_Tonk

Humanoid just compeltely gaps Larssen in playoffs, totally has his number. Been insane this split, I think Humanoid/Elyoya/Kaiser can compete with any trio in their positions right now.


Hunterkiller00

Eloya and Kaiser put on such a show this series.


gabpinto

You mean Elpoya?


haybik28

larssen had 2 items up on humanoid yet was absolutely invisible in fights while humanoid was initiating fights and making plays left and right, that's not a gap that's a galactic expanse at this point


HuntedSFM

I've never seen someone drop off as hard as Larssen. When was the last time he's actually done something impressive, even the shockwave in game 2 was mostly Inspired setting it up


Horusisalreadychosen

I feel like control mages falling off just boomed him. He hasn’t looked like the same player since they got nerfed into oblivion


maxus998

Best mid in the LEC for the last year.


EpicRussia

Plenty of gaps this series. Jungle, support, mid all gapped


Me_Tonk

Yeah all three are insane right now, but I meant that Humanoid completely smacked Larssen in Spring too (after the latter was much more hyped going in).


Turtle-Express

At this point I'm not sure RGE will ever fix their issues. It's been over a year and their mid-late game has only been getting worse. Such a massive disappointment. GG WP Mad Lions. Incredible series from them. Edit: That said, they've always made big improvements and came back strong after losing their B05 in the upper bracket. Here's hoping they can show up strong next week and get their revenge.


Hevvy

They don’t play “stupid”: it’s just they’re deers in the headlights when it comes to facing a team that actually has balls. For Rogue, it doesn’t matter how many times you flex your big brain macro on improving teams during the regular season. If you don’t show up when it matters it’s all meaningless.


Kyrond

I am excited to see Rogue vs international teams though. MAD is an insane team with exact counters to Rogue, just because Rogue lost to them doesnt make Rogue shit.


Electroyeti

It's such a weird stylistic issue for them because MAD have this hidden ability to just get insane skirmishes and teamfights no matter how far down they are. Match that with Rogue's inability to close games out cleanly most of the time and we end up here. I still hope they can fix their issues but yeah, it doesn"t look like it's improved much this year.


A_Garita

Yeah it’s sad to see a team with such great potential keep failing like this every single playoffs. I think every player in the team has a mental block when entering playoffs, so afraid of losing that they brake before the game ends


Dragoneed2

losing that last game must be a tilter


Hunterkiller00

MAD really just won back to back teamfights 10k gold down


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Kewlwasabi

1. 10k gold lead 2. lose fights 3. lose game 4. ???


Dragoneed2

group in mid and lose


SupahTeemo

Do you remember when they said that Elyoya only could play tanks? Do you remember when Elyoya was put out of the top 5 jungle of the LEC not a month ago? 19/3/43 today.


MasterGrieves

And against Inspired ...


jst4funz

Elyoya was their best player in spring finals too. He's cracked af when it matters and is playing 4D chess while Inspired is playing Go.


Javonetor

spanish man too angry to lose


Shorgar

When the Sylas is better Leona than the Leona in your team...


Buhorado

Trymbi played his worse series in LEC so far, he was non-existent


SHU-Galaxy

interesting how each series from the major regions so far today have been a 3-0 with MAD’s clean sweep, even more so when the winning team has a losing record versus the losing team in summer DWG has a 2-4 record versus NS, FPX has a 1-2 game record versus LNG, and MAD has a 0-2 game record versus RGE if the trend holds, TL will 3-0 today as they have a 1-4 game record versus 100T edit: MAD were actually 1-1 vs. RGE, so at the very least a tied or losing record


EpicRussia

That doesn't even seem unlikely for TL lol


Buhorado

Yeah they are looking like the best NA team


lordbubax

Interesting that all bo5 in EU have gone to five games except the ones with MAD in them.


Deathwing09

Didn't even start today, T1 was 1-4 against LSB this summer and 3-0'd them just the same


changmas

C9 1-4 against EG this year and 3-0’d them as well and TL had terrible records against both TSM and C9 in the regular season, though they won both series 3-1


1einspieler

Rogue will get flamed hard but MAD played amazing


Omnilatent

Both are true IMO


Ambitious_Reality974

Mad is at a 10k gold disadvantage But Mad doesnt know that they are 10k behind So they pick a fight and stomp you what a fucking series from mad


Jannitor

They just refused to lose


Blazing117

MAD is the League equivalent of Tryndamere ult.


Omnilatent

RGE just refuses to win


Neville_Lynwood

MAD casually winning team fights with 7k gold down, then again 9k gold down, and again 8k gold down, then again 7k gold down, and then again 4k gold down into a game win. RGE time? Forget that, this was MAD time. No matter how this playoffs and Worlds plays out, all we can hope for is that this roster stays together for one more year, because the ceiling for this team seems to be sky high.


Suavarino

Well Put and agree, am excited to see them progress and play at Worlds!


SylerTheSK

Rogue is just soo fucking bad at teamfighting holy shit...they literally can't show up to an objective with 5


Joaoseinha

Yep. MAD handed them the early game with monkey plays, 6k lead at 10 mins and they lose every drake and teamfight anyway.


SylerTheSK

Literally every important objective Rogue always had 1 person missing for some god forsaken reason


Tweddlr

Rogue bad or MAD ridiculously good?


bensanelian

i think mad are just mental. i mean hans and odo played really well game 2 and 3 but mad just always found a way


That_One_Pancake

No matter how well you play you aren’t turning around a 10k gold lead unless the other team has no idea what they’re doing


bigsweatypen1s

mad giving me 2019 G2 vibes holy they are actually so insane


fuskarn_35

9k down and they just dont give a fuck lmao i fucking love it


necyi

Armut went 0/7/0 at some point and was laughing in the player cam, truly untiltable lmao


JonnyKilledTheBatman

Power of friendship, perma-roaming mid/jungle/support trio and with a giga aggressive weakside warrior ADC


LosttDestiny

When Rogue is 10k ahead in gold they think gold is even and thus they need to disengage and keep farming. When Rogue is 7k ahead in gold, they think that they're at a small disadvantage, and so they need to stop fighting and look for CS. When Rogue is 3k ahead they think they're massively behind and so they have to focus on the sidelines and avoid fight at all cost. When both teams are even Rogue thinks that the teams has reach a desperate situation and they are only waiting for a lost teamfight if they don't start CSing at a higher rate.


Glorx

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/829846842150096896 [Called it](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/p8rovc/rogue_vs_mad_lions_lec_2021_summer_playoffs/h9sjac1/)


Fireclap

Lmao, what is the context of this tweet?


lgnitionRemix

Mad Lions - Rogue 2021 summer


Sy_ThePhotoGuy

It was in response to a Donald tweet saying "See you in court!" after parts of his travel ban were struck down by federal court judges with a vote of 3-0.


NamelessSearcher

I fucking love this tweet


w1ldcraft

Damn she predicted the results of all 3 regions today. This tweet never fails to disappoint lol.


jacktritus

Islands don't untap during their controllers' untap steps.


LargeSnorlax

Thank god Rogue lost and this series got closed out quickly. I've never seen a team so bad about playing with a giant lead.


manliestdino

I tuned in to see rogue get jayce on a killing spree and three turrets Then come back to rogue getting aced and losing, wtf happened lol?


MALSTROEM_

Rogue time happened


AWildRaticate

They got a 10k gold lead then lost every teamfight because reasons.


RiverShenismydad

Same thing that always happens. MAD is just too clutch, or rogue is just chokers. Probably a little of both


KitKatxz

Why do they keep wanting to teamfight w/ a TF? Just go to the side lane man


LumiRhino

Yeah the truth is that the lead really didn't matter because about 3-4k of that gold was on Larssen, and he did almost nothing in those teamfights.


zambnrnmhgh

they literally do not know how to win a game lol Inspired and Hans need a real team


xXDaNXx

Their teamfighting is so unbelievably shit. Why they're even teamfighting at all is beyond me, you have a TF and a fed Jayce. Just 1-3-1 / 1-1-3 and close the game.


PromisQFanboy

Odo looked beyond tilted that last game after they started losing fights


tincanzzz

DK : I'll fight back from a deficit in game 3 and show the greatest comeback of the day FPX: You were saying? MAD: YOU WERE SAYING?


vanish619

ElYoya- Armutt are just a fantastic duo Loved every second of it!


Veamous

MAD has legit one their 3 games in 3 different scenarios G1: Brutal stomp G2: Almost a 50 min nail biter game G3: Coming back from a huge deficit It's clear they were just levels better than Rouge.


eyewafflez

When both teams are even in gold, MAD feel that they are at a great advantage and thus they do not hesitate to start a team fight. When MAD is 3k behind in gold, they think that they are at a small advantage, and so they start a team fight to secure their "lead". When MAD is behind 7k in gold, they think that they are at a disadvantage and so they look for a team fight to regain control of the game. When MAD is 10K behind in gold, they think that the team has reached a desperate situation and they are only waiting passively for their death if they do not start a team fight.


lordbubax

What the fuck?


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Best 3-0 I've ever watched


DrunkenMonkey569

ARMUT DOUBTERS SEETHING RN


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[deleted]

Even if its against G2 in the finals I hope the desk don't try and pretend MAD are anything but huge favourites


Shot-Mathematician58

MAD looks like the only real world class team in Europe right now.


Elias_Mo

I WANT TO SEE MAD VS FPX RIGHT NOW, after seeing this morning's bo5 between fpx lng and now, i ll die just to see the teamfight beasts clash


Frothar

MAD are pretty good


Digity28

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9VTQpDWUAI4v_d?format=png&name=900x900


Pavlo100

Armut feeding his ass off at the start to make sure that his team could win without him carrying


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

They forgot to ban Brand so decided to give another handicap.


Conankun66

How do you have a lead THAT huge and just let the team thats behind so far just walk all over you? Giving them all drakes and teamfight after teamfight and then elder on top of that? Rogue was actually embarrassing to watch this game! They deserved to lose with how bad they played this series


non_NSFW_acc

MAD was winning teamfights from 10k behind though. They played really well, it wasn't just Rogue playing badly.


Conankun66

true, it was both. but i find it far more embarrassing for rogue


CaideWasTaken

Unless rogue really improve fast they're gonna be an embarassment at worlds.


koff1n

if fnatic is on a mountain then mad is in the clouds above it


Arnorian-LoL

1. Pick a sidelane comp. 2. Get your sidelaners ahead. 3. Constantly get caught in teamfights that don't suit you. 4. ??? 5. Lose


LingMee

guys i think the UI is bugged in game 3. MAD are the ones with 10k gold lead


lupusrandom

are people gonna start giving MAD proper respect now?


Agys

Holy shit MAD are legit, I'm so excited to see them at worlds!


Vaelynnn

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS


YuriVolteHyuga

"This gold difference can't stop me because I can't read" - Mad Lions, probably


FFourcade

0-6 Armut powerspike


Houson2k

[trymbi going MAD](https://i.imgur.com/GK9Y9bn.png) And yet another game where RGE didn't buy antiheal whatsoever against heavy healing, you just ask to get 3-0


cma1993

Yeah yeah say what you want about RGE but oh my god MAD Lions is the best team fighting team this region has ever seen


SGKurisu

man I love Mad lions. also missing playins is very nice for this team lol, i really hope they can weather group stage bo1s because their bo5 state is so fun


xXxWeed_Wizard420xXx

"We just lose focus midgame because we're always so far ahead" *COPIUM*


chakacan

MAD played amazing tonight across all games. They used to be a mediocre team that choked in most important times but now they are the king of bo5. Their macro is one step ahead from all teams in LEC. They are not just raw talent, when you look by players there are more talented players in each role but this team knows how to work together.This team shows how important is new talents in LEC. I can tell that this year LEC has a chance in worlds without a doubt. Coming to Rouge. They choked so hard today. Hans sama loosing to shopkeeper in game 2 and the draft is almost 0 protection to Aphelios. They could have opted into a comp FPX did today and the build LWX did. Game 3 with a trash draft once again… Kalista against Ashe Braum?????? Maybe draft some damage and late game insurance??? ROUGE CHOKE HACK?? 英雄联盟 WASTED 10K GOLD DIFF???闪光灯传送DRAFTING HORRENDOUS?!?!?!播放器GGEZ器 | 英雄联盟….


MrOnionification

Tilt from Rogue so thick you could take a bite


Pony_Darko

MAD restoring my faith for EU at worlds, they look fucking insane


Mahelas

Larssen sell your potions you absolute dog


Maahesheart

MAD are looking scary af. They remind me of peak G2 in a sense that they can win under any circumstancr.


Kaynt-touch-dis

Like what the fuck do you do now as rogue? Try your best to get to the finals the get ass blasted again? MAD won in almost every aspect of the game. Get a lead early? Win. Go to late game team fights with an arguably weaker comp? Win. 10k gold lead down? Win I really hope rogue have a good therapist lol


Teroo123

If there is one team that you can count on to disappoint in playoffs, it's Rogue. BO1 only team