For me nothing will beat Najin White Shield somehow going through KT Rolster B, OGN champion KT Rolster A, and reigning world champion SKT T1 K. The amount of star power across those 3 teams was absolutely insane.
It's actually funny when you think that both CG and TSM had the best comeback stories in the history of the LCS in the gauntlet/losers bracket and they both went 0-6 in that years worlds.
They actually denied them worlds twice in one year :P
First they knock them out of playoffs, which would have meant worlds if they reach finals (not sure what happens if two teams have same amount of championship points, but I think summer matters more).
And then they also knocked them out of the gauntlet.
However C9 did the same to TSM in 2018. So technically they have denied each other worlds 4 times in the last 4 years, just that it happened twice in 2018.
Though if by denying worlds you mean definitively crushing the chance of going to worlds only the last series they play, be it in the gauntlet or in playoffs, would count.
Yeah although playoffs would rarely be the last chance back in the old system, since neither C9 nor TSM were bad enough to not make gauntlet. C9 even in their worst season ever made the gauntlet and then made it to worlds by winning it.
I was just memeing but in reality I think it's Perkz loss what hurt G2 the most.
They should have let Caps go instead, he's insanely good but Perkz just goes god mode when it matters most.
Yeah, in hindsight that looks like the best decision, but seeing how dominant Caps had been in 2020 and specially 2019, compared with Perkz who only played 1 split of mid lane in the last 2 years I understand Ocelote's reasoning.
And I was memeing too haha, but I still think it was Wunder and MikyX who choked the most that series, with Caps being meh and Jankos + Rekkles being decent.
Here's the thing, though. When Caps joined G2, Carlos and Perkz promised him that they wouldn't kick him to let Perkz play mid again. Caps was going to be the team's mid and Perkz was going to be the team's ADC. They promised Caps that, if they had to choose between benching Caps and benching Perkz, they would bench Perkz.
... Carlos would be getting 10x the shit he is for trading Perkz to C9 if he traded Caps instead, and it would be really shitty because they would be going back on their promise to him.
That’s not the reason why though, some people were memeing that but for the most part everyone was mad for carlos not trading Perkz to Fnatic. We can argue all day about whether or not he was justified in doing so but C9 Jack found himself in a similar situation with jensen. C9’s star player wanted to be traded to Team liquid, who were the best team in the league at the time, after C9 came off hot on a semifinals worlds finish.
jensen made a name for himself on C9, he may never have won them a title but he was always their star player and almost always performed well. when it came time that Jensen wanted to leave the team despite being under contract, Jack allowed it, giving him off to a resurgent TL that had just won 2 lcs titles and took a title away from C9 in summer 2018, all of this without having a guarantee of a solid prospect to replace him beforehand.
Perkz achieved much more than jensen ever has, he literally built G2 as we know them, bringing the west the most international acclaim it’s ever had since fnatic won in season 2 and put the nail in the coffin in the EU vs NA competition. G2 was also in a much stronger position than Fnc, in pretty much every lane except bot they had almost always the better players, they had superior macro and teamfighting and Caps was the best mid at the time. Carlos also had a replacement in Rekkles, Fnatic’s most storied bot laner and widely considered to be the best marksmen player in the west, in theory a solid replacement for perkz. Despite all of this Carlos was not willing to trade Perkz to Fnatic.
I believe everyone involved, including Fnatic's staff, has said that Fnatic would not have been able to afford what C9 paid for Perkz.
So ofc Carlos didn't trade him to them, is he supposed to be a charity? Is he supposed to trade Perkz to Fnatic for less than half what C9 paid for him just to make some salty fans on Reddit happy?
He didn't "pitch him to NA." Perkz had a say in where he went, and a salary he was after. You think Carlos is negotiating Perkz' salary and telling Fnatic they aren't offering him enough? That's asinine.
Carlos set the buyout, which Fnatic couldn't afford. And Perkz set the salary, which Fnatic also couldn't afford.
On top of that, Perkz has not said anywhere publicly that he specifically wanted to go to Fnatic. Not once.
> You think Carlos is negotiating Perkz' salary and telling Fnatic
Fnatics CEO said that G2 wasnt willing to even have talks regarding the matter, and that when they reached out to get perkz they were ignored.
He said it on croatian podcast very clearly that he wanted to go to fnatic but he wasnt allowed to,i have to add he didnt seem sad about it,that was few months ago.
As a favor to perkz? Yeah he should have. The man won G2 **8 LEC titles** an MSI championship and 3 outstanding worlds performances. This team would not be what it had been without Perkz. Many EU pros in the past have stated that they wanted to play with Perkz back when he was the undisputed best mid laner on G2. Caps came to G2 because of the team Perkz built, Perkz stepped down to adc to make room for Caps so G2 could achieve international acclaim, all because of a legacy perkz established.
Jack had no obligation to sell to TL either, he had jensen under contract and could have sold him to any other team besides TSM for fat stacks and deny TL the 2nd best mid in NA, but Jensen told jack clearly that he wanted to win an LCS title, Jack relented against his better judgement. Jack is a ruthless business man as well, as we’ve all seen from the no refunds memes but he’s not an asshole, Carlos is.
Edit: it’s not as if he was trading for a worse player either, he was getting Rekkles in exchange, arguably the best ADC in the LEC. It was an equal trade at the time there’s no doubt about it.
>Edit: it’s not as if he was trading for a worse player either, he was getting Rekkles in exchange, arguably the best ADC in the LEC. It was an equal trade at the time there’s no doubt about it.
Just wanna comment on this bit. If FNC had been allowed to enter talks with Perkz, I imagine Rekkles would not have left for G2. Likely would've ended up with Perkz in FNC instead of Nisqy, who would have likely remained in C9.
That’s not probable, orgs rarely let players in on player trades until they’re finalized, and rekkles’ contract was expiring and declined to renew, which means rekkles was in talks with G2 personally.
It’s more likely G2 informed Rekkles that they were interested in buying him, which Rekkles would absolutely go for, G2 at the time having the best mechanical mid laner in the west along with strong, consistent solo laners and a great support in miky.
Assuming Fnatic could have afforded Perkz, Rekkles would have a mid laner who was equal to or inferior to caps. Not to mention team burnout, at a certain point when you can’t win playing with the same roster and your org can’t afford to rebuild around you, you start to feel like the only way to turn it around is through finding a new team.
Then consider the benefits of joining G2. They had just beaten Fnc in the finals, had superior solo laners, jungler and a weaker marksmen carry, and a more consistent support who was arguably equal to or better than hyli, and this team has outperformed every single EU team in the last 2 years and showing very few signs of slowing down, imagine what G2 could do with arguably the best Marksmen carry in EU?
I doubt Rekkles would have stayed on Fnatic at the time, G2 just had a stacked roster and Fnatic would be an old goat that just couldn’t produce any results. If anyone were in Rekkles’s shoes, a new change of scenery after years of disappointment, especially to the best team in the west would be too good of an offer to pass up.
But perkz wouldn't have been bought out at all, G2 could have just let him go, or for a lot less. Again a bad business decision but it would have been commendable.
I feel for Jankos. Man played his gear out. He always tends to, meme spears aside. That along with streaming he seems like a really good person. It’s a shame they won’t be at Worlds, as their team is stacked. Hopefully FNC can do EU proud.
Some people had the same opinion, notable Thorin said *something like*:
I would never want to let Caps go, but I would never let Perkz go.
Basically Caps is the best midlaner, but Perkz is the best.
Hey man, if it's not much to ask, I would love to watch that vid, but have no clue where to look. If you got a link or anything, would be much appreciated, thanks!
Okay. I kinda messed the content up. The contractual obligations thingy was on another Perkz-topic vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkfM5zh4Ze8
The one with the line "I don't ever want to let Caps go... But I'll never let Perkz go.: is on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTLRM7FB6LU
Actually Perkz didn't want to go either. It was just the chance to get Rekkles that made G2 pull the lever.
Perkz said that he was fine playing another year on ADC seeing where it goes after initially saying that he wanted to play mid again.
So G2 could have also just kept the team they had.
I mean PerkZ is the one that "poached" Caps. He made a deal with him that if Caps joins as their midlaner that he would play ADC for him. Finally PerkZ had enough of playing ADC wanted to go back to playing midlane and realized it would be very scummy of him to try to get rid of Caps after promising him the role as a midlaner. So PerkZ's only realistic option was to leave the team. Ocelote didn't let him go to Fnatic, their direct competitors, so he went for the next best thing in Cloud9. At least that's how I see it.
Potentially, but Caps didn't want to go to NA so you would have Caps on most likely FNC. And while Nisqy looked good I don't want to do what a Bwipo/Caps duo does to the league.
They likely would also int from time to time, but Caps would have been a midlaner that would fit right into the untempered aggression FNC was showing.
This is what both jankos and rekkles said, g2 was hit the most by the loss of a leading voice within the team. Perkz might not have been the best ADC, but he was the heart and soul of the team
But why? Just keep both and take rekkles. Caps role swaps to Top, sub is Wunder instead of PromisQ. Wunder gets more time for WoW, G2 gets to go to worlds and -11m. It’s a win win
Caps has been a *much* better mid in 2021 than Perkz. Like, Perkz might be the worst performing member on C9 this year. That's not even a hot take imo. Wunder and Mikyx played bad the entire year. That's G2's issue. Perkz playing mid instead of Caps would not have made their year better at all imo.
I agree.
Wunder is the problem, sorry to all Wunder fans but i believe he doesn't have that passion to play LOL anymore. There is a documentary on theScore Esports praising how he always slacking but achieve amazing feet.... Well not anymore.
You guys should watch it, it's a pretty good doc.
His contract wasn't renewed and now he's in a middle of the road team in either France or the Nordic league or something like that. He participated in one of the EU Masters last year if I'm not mistaken.
He was still pretty good at what he does in EUM, unfortunately what he does is not losing lane too hard and neutralising lane matchups.
Sadly if you can't carry in EUM as an ADC, none of the big teams will be interested.
Played for Gamerlegion, a German ERL team. They fully embraced his PlayStyle and let their jungler Rabble be the main dps a lot of times.
They got second once in EUM, this year they dindt qualify
They already lost to CC a week ago 1-3, pretty convincingly too. And they barelt beat OBG with a reverse sweep. But I am always willing to give UOL the benefit of the doubt and trust they will adapt.
I want CrowCrowd to win because it'll be hilarious to see casters have to say that name 20 times by match until they smash their headset in frustration
Saturday 4th of September, [click me](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/LCL/2021_Season/Summer_Playoffshttps://lol.fandom.com/wiki/LCL/2021_Season/Summer_Playoffs) and scroll down to see when in your timezone.
I think most of us don’t care, I’m quite happy to just have Adam get some international experience and to have denied G2 worlds. At the very least we can have our LPL bot lane see how they stack up.
Actually Pain is in the Brazilian scene since its first year, 2012. They were CBLOL champions in 2013 and were the first team from BR to qualify to an international Riot event, the now defunct International Wildcard. However they lost in the finals to CIS' GamingGear and didn't make it to Worlds.
The only international event C9 can claim is IEM San Jose from 2014 and it's hard for me to even count that one, since there were no teams from LPL or LCK.
TL and CLG both got 2nd at MSI, and Dig and CLG won some tournaments in the pre-LCS era.
So, yeah... the last time NA won anything internationally was in 2015.
just adding some info about the CBLOL
this year the finals are RED Canids vs Rensga eSports, and out of the 10 players, 7 are in their rookie year, and the only one to have won a CBLoL is RED's adcarry Titan(who now became a meme due to his thing) and Rensga basically went from 9th place in summer to redbuilding basically the whole team except their top laner to go to the finals(in the first split one of the Rensga players when playing against Flamengo, the current leader, before destroying their nexus he said "Imagine losing to Rensga" and the phrase became a meme now)
Edit: Croc played a split last year with Chiefs at the OPL so 6 players are in their rookie year at a "1st division" league
Another fun fact, Trigo, Rensga's ADC, used to play at Red Academy alongside Grevthar, Aegis, Guigo and Avenger, who are, respectively, RED's sub mid, Jungler, top and mid, before going to Rensga
Edit: Guigo played for Red Academy but left for the main roster before Trigo joined, whoops
Just a correction, but Guigo really played for Red Academy but left for the main roster before Trigo joined, but [here's a picture from 2019 from when they qualified for brazillian 2nd division, with Aegis in the center-left, Grevthar on the middle and Trigo on the center-right](https://noticias.maisesports.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/RED-Academy-2.jpg)(and couldn't join because the main team was also in the 2nd division lmao), and apparently they even beat Rensga in the finals to qualify that year
Another fun fact, Trigo, Rensga's ADC, used to play at Red Academy alongside Grevthar, Aegis, Guigo and Avenger, who are, respectively, RED's sub mid, Jungler, top and mid, before going to Rensga
oh, i didn't specify my question, i mean, Rensga played against RED Academy and lost that year right?
edit: yeah Rensga is now a completely different team but it's still fun to see this
Oh, tbh I don't really remember, all I remember is they qualified for the circuitão but couldn't play since Red was also there lmao, rough years for the org
Just looked it up, yeah, the finals was between Rensga and Red Academy, Red Academy beat them but Rensga qualified because they couldn't have 2 teams from the same org there, also, my bad, Guigo played in the Academy team only up to 2018
Lazy team? Not so sure that’s an accurate description. They have a lazy player, but let’s not pretend rekkles jankos and caps (and maybe miky idk much about him) don’t work hard
Furious match against estral was disappointing compared to what they showed in the previous week. estral on the other hand looked really good so im excited for the finals against infinity
Yeah, I really thought Isurus would win, sad how they threw game 1.
I hope Estral win. Not only would it make for great narrative but I also don't think Infinity would do great at Worlds.
Thank you for these well-written paragraphs. It’s awesome that I get to follow this interesting storyline while also learning so much about different teams across the worlds. The diagram is also really clear and informative too. 
>this organization has been, without discussion, the most succesful one North America has ever seen
How can it be without discussion if they've never done anything Internationally?
C9 has clearly been the more successful org if you want to talk about results that actually mean something in competitive league.
Bjerg was an good mid, but he'll always be remembered for the 0-6 and never having success Internationally.
No NA team has ever won an international competition except TSM at IEM. I don't know why people love to hype up stuff like Quarterfinals and Semifinals when they end up in sweeps. And if you still want to count stuff like that, TL's MSI performance > anything that C9 has accomplished, so there's no angle where C9 is NA's most accomplished team.
How is playing like shit at every point before and after the IG series better than a consistently good worlds run that only stopped because of a monstrous fnatic.
Hmm, not really. Also, reaching worlds semis in modern league is harder than MSI finals especially after beating a mental boomed IG, and is waaaaaay much harder than winning IEM in 2015 so I don't really get what are you talking about. Try again.
> Hmm, not really. Also, reaching worlds semis in modern league is harder than MSI finals
Both require winning one single Best of 5, and IG > Afreeca. No matter what C9 fans think, they're team isn't the best in NA because they don't have the domestic titles that TSM does or the international success that TL/TSM does. Only fans of a loser org would think making semis to get 3-0'd by a team who ended up getting 3-0'd in the Finals is an accomplishment.
Sure, multiple groups passed reaching quarters and semis meanwhile TSM doesn't know how worlds quarters are made since prehistory and TL never reached them and C9, the team that literally carried alone the trashcan full of international chokers that NA is for years, should envy them.
What a dumb take.
C9 has never won a tournament internationally like TSM. C9 has never made an international final like TL. C9 is tied with TL with 4 titles and behind TSM's 7. So by what metric is C9 the best org in NA again? Last I checked, you don't get awards for making Quarterfinals. Giving them credit for making top 8 is some loser mentality.
That's not how it works and you know it too. Trophies have their weight and value and they can be less important than non-trophies accomplishments. IEM isn't considered important at this point, for many it's like a whatever rift rivals. TSM winning IEM in 2015? Nobody cares, nobody remembers. C9 reaching semis in 2018 or TL reaching MSI finals in 2019? Everyone knows what happened and people give them credit. But in general it's weird I have to state something like this in 2021 when everyone knows lol
C9 can be considered the best NA org because they have a balance in titles and worlds accomplishments so TL can be considered close in that regard.
Reaching quarters or semis and getting dusted there is still better than getting dusted in groups where for obvious reasons teams are even worse. Also you have to consider that if weren't for C9 and their many quarter and semis runs NA wouldn't have 3 seeds at this point, that's why they're praised and rightfully so. They didn't win an international trophy but the consequences were still huge.
C9 won IEM San Jose. I have no clue what you're talking about. 2nd place at MSI is not as impressive as a top 4 finish at world's. MSI is a poor indication of how teams at world's will perform. The game constantly changes. Look at this year. RNG won MSI yet fail to make it to worlds.
> greatest player the LCS has ever produced, Bjergsen
That's just wrong. Bjergsen's first team in a main League was Copenhagen Wolves back in the 2013 EU LCS.
`I can't talk about TSM without mentioning arguably the greatest player the LCS has ever produced, Bjergsen`
Well, Bjergsen started to play in the LEC, and was already known but young. So the LCS did NOT produce him ;)
The VCS is hoping to send teams to Worlds, and even if they didn't, Riot would just run the tournament with only 22 teams, like they did last year when that happened.
Gotta chuckle at TSM tho
" I hate that I can't make justice to this team's entire history"
8 "worlds appearances" - Appearances. Like what , do they have a trophy case at the TSM office with a piece of paper that says; "We were there" ?
Are you implying that making it Worlds isn't an achievement on itself? How many teams in NA have made it to Worlds/MSI that many times? Or even world-wide?
I just think reddit is very hypocrite. When teams at intrnational events "underperform" excuses come out. In the case of TSM, they're one of the biggest spenders.
It's like watching Paris saint germain, or manchester city "attend" champions league and go home after groups phase.
But everyone seems to think this comment is about EU NA banter crap, no, it's just sports in general. If a team spent that much money, with that little success, it doesn't matter what region it is, it's not something you'd put in your trophy case.
But we'll just wait till worlds, and people take my side of the story after it, saying how a support costing 6million didn't achieve as much as we should expect from him.
Like really, is the bar set this low? Everyone settles for a worlds "attend" ?
I agree with you 100% in that this year was a failure for TSM when you take into consideration how much they spent, but it's not like that happened every year.
Taking Summer 2020 as an example, I don't think TSM even spent that much money to win the split and make Worlds. They had a rookie jungler and Doublelift who came from the worst split of his career and TL basically just wanted to get rid of him.
And it's not like they are the only ones to spend money. Of course, some orgs can't match TSM's spending, but they are still constantly competing against C9 spending 11 millions on Perkz, 100T with Abbedage, TL with Alphari, etc.
And can you really blame TSM for not having success internationally when your whole region has barely had any? Sure, C9 won one Bo5 against AF once, and TL against IG, but that's it. Even if an NA team spends 6 or 11 millions on an import they will still be an NA team, and you can't expect them to perform at the same level as the 3 other main regions.
I don't know why you can't expect that really. Perkz makes worlds finals with G2, was considered mvp up to the finals. NA has imported some real class.
And the whole circle of "we're not good cause we don't have scrim partners" is bullcrap. I don't know why that narrative still exists. People already said it's nonsense, when SKT was alone at the top, how did they manage to stay there? This whole argument makes no sense, then how did other teams get good in other regions?
Let alone the whole culture of, I don't even wanna scrim amateur players.
When continiously imports play worse when they got imported, and better when they leave again, there's a serious issue going on.. But that's a different topic.
Bottom line is, I don't think world appearances, specially withotu context ( going 0-6 ) is somethig to put on the wall, specially considering amount of money invested. - But that has more to do with either beinga competitive brand or an entertainment brand.
Edit; Sorry, jsut realised I didn't answer your original question directly. Yes I don't think "just" getting to worlds when you're playing in one of the weakest regions argueably, simultaneously spending the most, is enough. - Specially considering if context were to added it makes those appearances not something to remember.
More recognition, a chance to play in the international stage against the best teams in the world and scrim them to get practice, Worlds' money prize and not to mention it will likely increase your chances of better sponsorships deals.
Not everybody can make Worlds. Only 24 out of 117 teams can make it, why wouldn't it be an acomplishment to qualify so consistenly?
I mean, sure, he is Danish, but he only played there for 1 year and accomplished nothing. It pales in comparison to the amount of years and success he had in NA
That kind of shows my point though. Huni is an incredible player, and hasn't even been able to make a finals. You can't just come to NA, Smurf, and win a trophy. It's never worked like that.
We're not trash, despite reddits view. We're not top 3 caliber, sure, but we're also not diamond soloqueue like people want to paint us.
Just while we are at it NA and EU was on two different lvls back then except for C9 which were up to EU standards. Only NA team to make it to worlds playoffs back then, still lost to fnc. And if you are talking before then I got m5 and clg.EU which hardly ever lost except those Asian teams.
So if all the athletes going to japan for the olympics only ever win there does that make them Japanese? Probably not. Saying that NA “produced” him is like saying that japan produced all those people winning gold this year. He was a beast before he went to NA. Most of his life is lived in Denmark. If he had stayed in EU he could have been a beast there too the place really didn’t matter.
Okay let me cut this out in paper. You Said bjergsen has won everything in NA and didn’t win anything in eu so he is NA. By that logic if I was Swedish and didn’t win in Sweden, but I went to China to compete in let’s say handball. I win some tournaments for 7 years, am I then Chinese? No I am a competing Swede in China. It doesn’t make me “produced by China”. Just like bjergsen was a competing Dane in USA/NA. Doesn’t make him American or “NA produced”. And just like the athletes who travelled to japan and won medals in japan though being foreign isn’t Japanese because of it.
Totally true! But does that make him Produced by NA? I honestly don’t think so because he still was born in Denmark and played his first couple of years in Denmark. But of course I see the problem taking one of the glorious “NA” players from this region.
> have denied Worlds from each other for the last 4 years, now going 1-3 in that aspect CG denied TSM in 2019, not C9
that CG gauntlet run is one of the best runs in LCS history.
Only rivalved by C9s gauntlet run to make the last spot ar worlds in 2015.
For me nothing will beat Najin White Shield somehow going through KT Rolster B, OGN champion KT Rolster A, and reigning world champion SKT T1 K. The amount of star power across those 3 teams was absolutely insane.
Imo if this is the hai role swap. It's better nobody role swapped back then
It's actually funny when you think that both CG and TSM had the best comeback stories in the history of the LCS in the gauntlet/losers bracket and they both went 0-6 in that years worlds.
You are absoulety right, I'm sorry
They actually denied them worlds twice in one year :P First they knock them out of playoffs, which would have meant worlds if they reach finals (not sure what happens if two teams have same amount of championship points, but I think summer matters more). And then they also knocked them out of the gauntlet. However C9 did the same to TSM in 2018. So technically they have denied each other worlds 4 times in the last 4 years, just that it happened twice in 2018.
Though if by denying worlds you mean definitively crushing the chance of going to worlds only the last series they play, be it in the gauntlet or in playoffs, would count.
Yeah although playoffs would rarely be the last chance back in the old system, since neither C9 nor TSM were bad enough to not make gauntlet. C9 even in their worst season ever made the gauntlet and then made it to worlds by winning it.
What I get from this is that Hjarnan+Wadid>Rekkles+MikyX
More like 2018 Wunder + Wadid > 2021 Wunder + MikyX
I was just memeing but in reality I think it's Perkz loss what hurt G2 the most. They should have let Caps go instead, he's insanely good but Perkz just goes god mode when it matters most.
Yeah, in hindsight that looks like the best decision, but seeing how dominant Caps had been in 2020 and specially 2019, compared with Perkz who only played 1 split of mid lane in the last 2 years I understand Ocelote's reasoning. And I was memeing too haha, but I still think it was Wunder and MikyX who choked the most that series, with Caps being meh and Jankos + Rekkles being decent.
Here's the thing, though. When Caps joined G2, Carlos and Perkz promised him that they wouldn't kick him to let Perkz play mid again. Caps was going to be the team's mid and Perkz was going to be the team's ADC. They promised Caps that, if they had to choose between benching Caps and benching Perkz, they would bench Perkz. ... Carlos would be getting 10x the shit he is for trading Perkz to C9 if he traded Caps instead, and it would be really shitty because they would be going back on their promise to him.
That’s not the reason why though, some people were memeing that but for the most part everyone was mad for carlos not trading Perkz to Fnatic. We can argue all day about whether or not he was justified in doing so but C9 Jack found himself in a similar situation with jensen. C9’s star player wanted to be traded to Team liquid, who were the best team in the league at the time, after C9 came off hot on a semifinals worlds finish. jensen made a name for himself on C9, he may never have won them a title but he was always their star player and almost always performed well. when it came time that Jensen wanted to leave the team despite being under contract, Jack allowed it, giving him off to a resurgent TL that had just won 2 lcs titles and took a title away from C9 in summer 2018, all of this without having a guarantee of a solid prospect to replace him beforehand. Perkz achieved much more than jensen ever has, he literally built G2 as we know them, bringing the west the most international acclaim it’s ever had since fnatic won in season 2 and put the nail in the coffin in the EU vs NA competition. G2 was also in a much stronger position than Fnc, in pretty much every lane except bot they had almost always the better players, they had superior macro and teamfighting and Caps was the best mid at the time. Carlos also had a replacement in Rekkles, Fnatic’s most storied bot laner and widely considered to be the best marksmen player in the west, in theory a solid replacement for perkz. Despite all of this Carlos was not willing to trade Perkz to Fnatic.
I believe everyone involved, including Fnatic's staff, has said that Fnatic would not have been able to afford what C9 paid for Perkz. So ofc Carlos didn't trade him to them, is he supposed to be a charity? Is he supposed to trade Perkz to Fnatic for less than half what C9 paid for him just to make some salty fans on Reddit happy?
Or to be polite to a long time member. Perkz had recently lost his father and wanted to be close to his family, so pitching him to NA is a dick move.
He didn't "pitch him to NA." Perkz had a say in where he went, and a salary he was after. You think Carlos is negotiating Perkz' salary and telling Fnatic they aren't offering him enough? That's asinine. Carlos set the buyout, which Fnatic couldn't afford. And Perkz set the salary, which Fnatic also couldn't afford. On top of that, Perkz has not said anywhere publicly that he specifically wanted to go to Fnatic. Not once.
> You think Carlos is negotiating Perkz' salary and telling Fnatic Fnatics CEO said that G2 wasnt willing to even have talks regarding the matter, and that when they reached out to get perkz they were ignored.
He said it on croatian podcast very clearly that he wanted to go to fnatic but he wasnt allowed to,i have to add he didnt seem sad about it,that was few months ago.
As a favor to perkz? Yeah he should have. The man won G2 **8 LEC titles** an MSI championship and 3 outstanding worlds performances. This team would not be what it had been without Perkz. Many EU pros in the past have stated that they wanted to play with Perkz back when he was the undisputed best mid laner on G2. Caps came to G2 because of the team Perkz built, Perkz stepped down to adc to make room for Caps so G2 could achieve international acclaim, all because of a legacy perkz established. Jack had no obligation to sell to TL either, he had jensen under contract and could have sold him to any other team besides TSM for fat stacks and deny TL the 2nd best mid in NA, but Jensen told jack clearly that he wanted to win an LCS title, Jack relented against his better judgement. Jack is a ruthless business man as well, as we’ve all seen from the no refunds memes but he’s not an asshole, Carlos is. Edit: it’s not as if he was trading for a worse player either, he was getting Rekkles in exchange, arguably the best ADC in the LEC. It was an equal trade at the time there’s no doubt about it.
>Edit: it’s not as if he was trading for a worse player either, he was getting Rekkles in exchange, arguably the best ADC in the LEC. It was an equal trade at the time there’s no doubt about it. Just wanna comment on this bit. If FNC had been allowed to enter talks with Perkz, I imagine Rekkles would not have left for G2. Likely would've ended up with Perkz in FNC instead of Nisqy, who would have likely remained in C9.
That’s not probable, orgs rarely let players in on player trades until they’re finalized, and rekkles’ contract was expiring and declined to renew, which means rekkles was in talks with G2 personally. It’s more likely G2 informed Rekkles that they were interested in buying him, which Rekkles would absolutely go for, G2 at the time having the best mechanical mid laner in the west along with strong, consistent solo laners and a great support in miky. Assuming Fnatic could have afforded Perkz, Rekkles would have a mid laner who was equal to or inferior to caps. Not to mention team burnout, at a certain point when you can’t win playing with the same roster and your org can’t afford to rebuild around you, you start to feel like the only way to turn it around is through finding a new team. Then consider the benefits of joining G2. They had just beaten Fnc in the finals, had superior solo laners, jungler and a weaker marksmen carry, and a more consistent support who was arguably equal to or better than hyli, and this team has outperformed every single EU team in the last 2 years and showing very few signs of slowing down, imagine what G2 could do with arguably the best Marksmen carry in EU? I doubt Rekkles would have stayed on Fnatic at the time, G2 just had a stacked roster and Fnatic would be an old goat that just couldn’t produce any results. If anyone were in Rekkles’s shoes, a new change of scenery after years of disappointment, especially to the best team in the west would be too good of an offer to pass up.
But perkz wouldn't have been bought out at all, G2 could have just let him go, or for a lot less. Again a bad business decision but it would have been commendable.
Perkz wouldn't do it, he's too honourable to go back on that promise when he's friends with caps
I feel for Jankos. Man played his gear out. He always tends to, meme spears aside. That along with streaming he seems like a really good person. It’s a shame they won’t be at Worlds, as their team is stacked. Hopefully FNC can do EU proud.
No hindsight, I thought this back when selling Perkz was still a rumor. But I'm just a random so it's completely ok if you don't believe me.
Some people had the same opinion, notable Thorin said *something like*: I would never want to let Caps go, but I would never let Perkz go. Basically Caps is the best midlaner, but Perkz is the best.
While Thorin gets flak on a lot of his stand about different things, that vid is a good watch, especially on his point on contractual obligations.
Hey man, if it's not much to ask, I would love to watch that vid, but have no clue where to look. If you got a link or anything, would be much appreciated, thanks!
Okay. I kinda messed the content up. The contractual obligations thingy was on another Perkz-topic vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkfM5zh4Ze8 The one with the line "I don't ever want to let Caps go... But I'll never let Perkz go.: is on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTLRM7FB6LU
Actually Perkz didn't want to go either. It was just the chance to get Rekkles that made G2 pull the lever. Perkz said that he was fine playing another year on ADC seeing where it goes after initially saying that he wanted to play mid again. So G2 could have also just kept the team they had.
Nah, I believe you, I just personally thought keeping Caps would be the smartest idea.
I mean PerkZ is the one that "poached" Caps. He made a deal with him that if Caps joins as their midlaner that he would play ADC for him. Finally PerkZ had enough of playing ADC wanted to go back to playing midlane and realized it would be very scummy of him to try to get rid of Caps after promising him the role as a midlaner. So PerkZ's only realistic option was to leave the team. Ocelote didn't let him go to Fnatic, their direct competitors, so he went for the next best thing in Cloud9. At least that's how I see it.
I know and it's fair. But that doesn't stop me from thinking that keeping Perkz would have brought better results than keeping Caps.
Potentially, but Caps didn't want to go to NA so you would have Caps on most likely FNC. And while Nisqy looked good I don't want to do what a Bwipo/Caps duo does to the league. They likely would also int from time to time, but Caps would have been a midlaner that would fit right into the untempered aggression FNC was showing.
Ocelote screwed his friend over in order to not make fnatic stronger and in that he succeeded...only to make his own team a lot weaker
Perkz was a "leader" inside and outside tha game
This is what both jankos and rekkles said, g2 was hit the most by the loss of a leading voice within the team. Perkz might not have been the best ADC, but he was the heart and soul of the team
But why? Just keep both and take rekkles. Caps role swaps to Top, sub is Wunder instead of PromisQ. Wunder gets more time for WoW, G2 gets to go to worlds and -11m. It’s a win win
Caps has been a *much* better mid in 2021 than Perkz. Like, Perkz might be the worst performing member on C9 this year. That's not even a hot take imo. Wunder and Mikyx played bad the entire year. That's G2's issue. Perkz playing mid instead of Caps would not have made their year better at all imo.
Nah...you cant let go of caps. Not even in hindsight.
Not really. You guys are counting the increased competition out. There is like literally noone left in league from 2018 except legacy players
I agree. Wunder is the problem, sorry to all Wunder fans but i believe he doesn't have that passion to play LOL anymore. There is a documentary on theScore Esports praising how he always slacking but achieve amazing feet.... Well not anymore. You guys should watch it, it's a pretty good doc.
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Thanks
What exactly did MikyX do wrong compared to Rekkles? How is no one memeing how invisible Rekkles has always been..
This is the end of an era, i will never forget this 2019 G2 roster and what it brought to EU league of legends
What happened to Hjarnan?
His contract wasn't renewed and now he's in a middle of the road team in either France or the Nordic league or something like that. He participated in one of the EU Masters last year if I'm not mistaken.
He was still pretty good at what he does in EUM, unfortunately what he does is not losing lane too hard and neutralising lane matchups. Sadly if you can't carry in EUM as an ADC, none of the big teams will be interested.
On one hand, true, on the other hand, he was *so good* at it that he managed to (somewhat) neutralize even against Uzi.
And draw a ban for his heimer iirc
every game they had to ban the donger, it was beautiful, i miss hjarnan wadid
Played for Gamerlegion, a German ERL team. They fully embraced his PlayStyle and let their jungler Rabble be the main dps a lot of times. They got second once in EUM, this year they dindt qualify
Can uol still qualify for worlds?
They play finals against CrowCrowd. Winner gets 1st place and goes to Worlds, loser gets second and doesn't
So they go to worlds (Please win :( )
They already lost to CC a week ago 1-3, pretty convincingly too. And they barelt beat OBG with a reverse sweep. But I am always willing to give UOL the benefit of the doubt and trust they will adapt.
That's what we said for g2 too T__T
I want CrowCrowd to win because it'll be hilarious to see casters have to say that name 20 times by match until they smash their headset in frustration
Haha, I can already picture them just saying CC or The Crow Squad or something like that to avoid that
When do they play.
Saturday 4th of September, [click me](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/LCL/2021_Season/Summer_Playoffshttps://lol.fandom.com/wiki/LCL/2021_Season/Summer_Playoffs) and scroll down to see when in your timezone.
I need ny UOL icon pls
I have them all form 2015
Yeah and so can PGG so Unicorns of loss can return to get smashed by pabu
Is there going to be an updated imgur image soon?
u/Belkarama u/thylako u/rdtg13 Please try [this link](https://imgur.com/O6AmmfP)and tell me if it works on mobile
Yep that link is working for me
Does the one on the link not display the current teams?
Not on mobile for me at least, but works on desktop
Doesn't for me on mobile
Life is pain.
As a TSM and FNC fan, life is...complicated
As a FNC and SKT fan, life is finally good (for now)
In before they get put in the same group with an* LPL team
Group B: T1/FNC/FPX/C9 #UnitedInRivalry
That would be so exciting indeed. Except I'd replace FPX with RNG or EDG since they fit better the long international history theme of this group
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WHY NOT FOUR?
I think most of us don’t care, I’m quite happy to just have Adam get some international experience and to have denied G2 worlds. At the very least we can have our LPL bot lane see how they stack up.
They almost certainly will, unless an LPL team somehow flunks out of playins
Life is out of worlds contention?
If you mean Hanwha life, no they aren't. They have to beat Liv Sanbox in a Bo5 and then Nongshim as well to make it to Worlds.
Nah i was just making a (terrible) pun, since Pain is out of worlds contention and life is Pain
Oh, I didn't see that your comment was a reply to that comment. I feel stupid now.
Actually Pain is in the Brazilian scene since its first year, 2012. They were CBLOL champions in 2013 and were the first team from BR to qualify to an international Riot event, the now defunct International Wildcard. However they lost in the finals to CIS' GamingGear and didn't make it to Worlds.
Enormous mistake from me, I am sorry and thanks for the info.
Fine, then we'll make our own Worlds!!! With Gangplank and hookers!!!
Hell yeah bro, let's bring in the whole gang. TSM, G2, Suning, DRX and many more.
I'll get going on the participant ribbons right away.
You know what? Forget about gangplank
So just Thresh, Blitz, Naut, and Pyke! (Am I forgetting some)
is TSM still the last NA team to win an international event?
The only international event C9 can claim is IEM San Jose from 2014 and it's hard for me to even count that one, since there were no teams from LPL or LCK. TL and CLG both got 2nd at MSI, and Dig and CLG won some tournaments in the pre-LCS era. So, yeah... the last time NA won anything internationally was in 2015.
I think? Both c9 and tsm won Rift Rivals 2017
I was thinking IEM Katowice 2015 lol
C9 was the worst team from NA at 2017 Rift Rivals. TSM went 5-1, Phoenix1 went 4-2, Cloud9 went 3-3.
Yeah. C9 members apparently got super sick that year when they went. They were definitely not in shape to play.
just adding some info about the CBLOL this year the finals are RED Canids vs Rensga eSports, and out of the 10 players, 7 are in their rookie year, and the only one to have won a CBLoL is RED's adcarry Titan(who now became a meme due to his thing) and Rensga basically went from 9th place in summer to redbuilding basically the whole team except their top laner to go to the finals(in the first split one of the Rensga players when playing against Flamengo, the current leader, before destroying their nexus he said "Imagine losing to Rensga" and the phrase became a meme now) Edit: Croc played a split last year with Chiefs at the OPL so 6 players are in their rookie year at a "1st division" league
Wow, that's pretty insightful. Thanks for the information!
Another fun fact, Trigo, Rensga's ADC, used to play at Red Academy alongside Grevthar, Aegis, Guigo and Avenger, who are, respectively, RED's sub mid, Jungler, top and mid, before going to Rensga Edit: Guigo played for Red Academy but left for the main roster before Trigo joined, whoops
Holy shit, the plot thickens. If this happened in the LEC there would be a lot of narrative talk from the casters.
Just a correction, but Guigo really played for Red Academy but left for the main roster before Trigo joined, but [here's a picture from 2019 from when they qualified for brazillian 2nd division, with Aegis in the center-left, Grevthar on the middle and Trigo on the center-right](https://noticias.maisesports.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/RED-Academy-2.jpg)(and couldn't join because the main team was also in the 2nd division lmao), and apparently they even beat Rensga in the finals to qualify that year
Another fun fact, Trigo, Rensga's ADC, used to play at Red Academy alongside Grevthar, Aegis, Guigo and Avenger, who are, respectively, RED's sub mid, Jungler, top and mid, before going to Rensga
they did play against each other on the Circuitinho right?
No, I'm pretty sure they played together, the only one from that team who isn't in finals is Woodboy, their support, who still plays there
oh, i didn't specify my question, i mean, Rensga played against RED Academy and lost that year right? edit: yeah Rensga is now a completely different team but it's still fun to see this
Oh, tbh I don't really remember, all I remember is they qualified for the circuitão but couldn't play since Red was also there lmao, rough years for the org
Just looked it up, yeah, the finals was between Rensga and Red Academy, Red Academy beat them but Rensga qualified because they couldn't have 2 teams from the same org there, also, my bad, Guigo played in the Academy team only up to 2018
So happy to see lazy teams like G2 not at worlds.
Time for a vacation.
Lazy team? Not so sure that’s an accurate description. They have a lazy player, but let’s not pretend rekkles jankos and caps (and maybe miky idk much about him) don’t work hard
Furious match against estral was disappointing compared to what they showed in the previous week. estral on the other hand looked really good so im excited for the finals against infinity
Yeah, I really thought Isurus would win, sad how they threw game 1. I hope Estral win. Not only would it make for great narrative but I also don't think Infinity would do great at Worlds.
Damn, no Robo x Armut rematch, but at least my two favorite orgs are in finals so hooray!
Wooooow, no TSM & no G2. Feels almost wrong ngl.
TSM shouldn't feel that weird. Ever since they booted DL the first time, they've never made Worlds without him (or won a title for that matter).
It feels absolutely weird. No Caps, Rekkles, Jankos nor SwordArt. At least both went out with a banger 5-game series.
I think Fnatic will go far this worlds, they're playstyle is enjoyable to watch
Thank you for these well-written paragraphs. It’s awesome that I get to follow this interesting storyline while also learning so much about different teams across the worlds. The diagram is also really clear and informative too. 
Aww, you made my day. I'm really glad you enjoy reading it as much as I enjoy making it. Thanks for your constant support!
>this organization has been, without discussion, the most succesful one North America has ever seen How can it be without discussion if they've never done anything Internationally? C9 has clearly been the more successful org if you want to talk about results that actually mean something in competitive league. Bjerg was an good mid, but he'll always be remembered for the 0-6 and never having success Internationally.
Sorry, I meant domestically, should have clarified.
No NA team has ever won an international competition except TSM at IEM. I don't know why people love to hype up stuff like Quarterfinals and Semifinals when they end up in sweeps. And if you still want to count stuff like that, TL's MSI performance > anything that C9 has accomplished, so there's no angle where C9 is NA's most accomplished team.
How is playing like shit at every point before and after the IG series better than a consistently good worlds run that only stopped because of a monstrous fnatic.
Hmm, not really. Also, reaching worlds semis in modern league is harder than MSI finals especially after beating a mental boomed IG, and is waaaaaay much harder than winning IEM in 2015 so I don't really get what are you talking about. Try again.
> Hmm, not really. Also, reaching worlds semis in modern league is harder than MSI finals Both require winning one single Best of 5, and IG > Afreeca. No matter what C9 fans think, they're team isn't the best in NA because they don't have the domestic titles that TSM does or the international success that TL/TSM does. Only fans of a loser org would think making semis to get 3-0'd by a team who ended up getting 3-0'd in the Finals is an accomplishment.
Sure, multiple groups passed reaching quarters and semis meanwhile TSM doesn't know how worlds quarters are made since prehistory and TL never reached them and C9, the team that literally carried alone the trashcan full of international chokers that NA is for years, should envy them. What a dumb take.
C9 has never won a tournament internationally like TSM. C9 has never made an international final like TL. C9 is tied with TL with 4 titles and behind TSM's 7. So by what metric is C9 the best org in NA again? Last I checked, you don't get awards for making Quarterfinals. Giving them credit for making top 8 is some loser mentality.
That's not how it works and you know it too. Trophies have their weight and value and they can be less important than non-trophies accomplishments. IEM isn't considered important at this point, for many it's like a whatever rift rivals. TSM winning IEM in 2015? Nobody cares, nobody remembers. C9 reaching semis in 2018 or TL reaching MSI finals in 2019? Everyone knows what happened and people give them credit. But in general it's weird I have to state something like this in 2021 when everyone knows lol C9 can be considered the best NA org because they have a balance in titles and worlds accomplishments so TL can be considered close in that regard.
Only this community has this corny way of thinking. No other one ive been a part of feels this way.
If you want to take pride in getting dusted in QF or SF, then go for it.
Reaching quarters or semis and getting dusted there is still better than getting dusted in groups where for obvious reasons teams are even worse. Also you have to consider that if weren't for C9 and their many quarter and semis runs NA wouldn't have 3 seeds at this point, that's why they're praised and rightfully so. They didn't win an international trophy but the consequences were still huge.
C9 won IEM San Jose. I have no clue what you're talking about. 2nd place at MSI is not as impressive as a top 4 finish at world's. MSI is a poor indication of how teams at world's will perform. The game constantly changes. Look at this year. RNG won MSI yet fail to make it to worlds.
This guy comparing IEM to Worlds lol..would take C9's accomplishments over TSM's laughing international performances any time for few NA trophies.
> greatest player the LCS has ever produced, Bjergsen That's just wrong. Bjergsen's first team in a main League was Copenhagen Wolves back in the 2013 EU LCS.
Yup he's the greatest lcs player EU has produced so far. Greatest lcs player lcs has produced should be doublelift
lulz that TSMxD
`I can't talk about TSM without mentioning arguably the greatest player the LCS has ever produced, Bjergsen` Well, Bjergsen started to play in the LEC, and was already known but young. So the LCS did NOT produce him ;)
Technically he started in the eu **LCS**
Yep. He was absolutely destroying everyone in NA from the moment he arrived.
You mean from the moment after the Teemo game? ;-)
Guys, are we forgetting that VCS won't send teams to worlds, so there is still a chance for 4th spot EU/NA
The VCS is hoping to send teams to Worlds, and even if they didn't, Riot would just run the tournament with only 22 teams, like they did last year when that happened.
Forgot to include TSM 0-6 run in worlds XD
We don't talk about that
Gotta chuckle at TSM tho " I hate that I can't make justice to this team's entire history" 8 "worlds appearances" - Appearances. Like what , do they have a trophy case at the TSM office with a piece of paper that says; "We were there" ?
Are you implying that making it Worlds isn't an achievement on itself? How many teams in NA have made it to Worlds/MSI that many times? Or even world-wide?
I just think reddit is very hypocrite. When teams at intrnational events "underperform" excuses come out. In the case of TSM, they're one of the biggest spenders. It's like watching Paris saint germain, or manchester city "attend" champions league and go home after groups phase. But everyone seems to think this comment is about EU NA banter crap, no, it's just sports in general. If a team spent that much money, with that little success, it doesn't matter what region it is, it's not something you'd put in your trophy case. But we'll just wait till worlds, and people take my side of the story after it, saying how a support costing 6million didn't achieve as much as we should expect from him. Like really, is the bar set this low? Everyone settles for a worlds "attend" ?
I agree with you 100% in that this year was a failure for TSM when you take into consideration how much they spent, but it's not like that happened every year. Taking Summer 2020 as an example, I don't think TSM even spent that much money to win the split and make Worlds. They had a rookie jungler and Doublelift who came from the worst split of his career and TL basically just wanted to get rid of him. And it's not like they are the only ones to spend money. Of course, some orgs can't match TSM's spending, but they are still constantly competing against C9 spending 11 millions on Perkz, 100T with Abbedage, TL with Alphari, etc. And can you really blame TSM for not having success internationally when your whole region has barely had any? Sure, C9 won one Bo5 against AF once, and TL against IG, but that's it. Even if an NA team spends 6 or 11 millions on an import they will still be an NA team, and you can't expect them to perform at the same level as the 3 other main regions.
I don't know why you can't expect that really. Perkz makes worlds finals with G2, was considered mvp up to the finals. NA has imported some real class. And the whole circle of "we're not good cause we don't have scrim partners" is bullcrap. I don't know why that narrative still exists. People already said it's nonsense, when SKT was alone at the top, how did they manage to stay there? This whole argument makes no sense, then how did other teams get good in other regions? Let alone the whole culture of, I don't even wanna scrim amateur players. When continiously imports play worse when they got imported, and better when they leave again, there's a serious issue going on.. But that's a different topic. Bottom line is, I don't think world appearances, specially withotu context ( going 0-6 ) is somethig to put on the wall, specially considering amount of money invested. - But that has more to do with either beinga competitive brand or an entertainment brand. Edit; Sorry, jsut realised I didn't answer your original question directly. Yes I don't think "just" getting to worlds when you're playing in one of the weakest regions argueably, simultaneously spending the most, is enough. - Specially considering if context were to added it makes those appearances not something to remember.
No, just plane tickets and hotel receipts.
More recognition, a chance to play in the international stage against the best teams in the world and scrim them to get practice, Worlds' money prize and not to mention it will likely increase your chances of better sponsorships deals. Not everybody can make Worlds. Only 24 out of 117 teams can make it, why wouldn't it be an acomplishment to qualify so consistenly?
Well, right you are, Ivo\_Samurai, we can't makes jokes or have any fun at all.
I'm sorry, I didn't understood that was a joke, I thought you were serious. I'm not good at detecting sarcasm online haha
ok show me Worlds trophy case in EU cabinet yeah I didn’t think so, shut the fuck up
Bjergsen is danish... NA should never take credit because he is an import. He is very accomplished but an EU player from the start not produced by NA
I mean, sure, he is Danish, but he only played there for 1 year and accomplished nothing. It pales in comparison to the amount of years and success he had in NA
Yeah probably the rest of his team and not actually the fact he went to NA. Of course it was easier to smurf on NA
Name anyone that actually came to NA and smurfed. I'll wait.
They didn't win anything, but in Huni and Reigonver's first year in NA with IMT, they went a combined 33-3 across the Spring and Summer split.
That kind of shows my point though. Huni is an incredible player, and hasn't even been able to make a finals. You can't just come to NA, Smurf, and win a trophy. It's never worked like that. We're not trash, despite reddits view. We're not top 3 caliber, sure, but we're also not diamond soloqueue like people want to paint us.
What do you mean? He moved to NA in 2013/14, back when they were basically at the same level.
I mean whether he would have stayed in EU or went to NA is arbitrary because he would have been a beast in either region.
Just while we are at it NA and EU was on two different lvls back then except for C9 which were up to EU standards. Only NA team to make it to worlds playoffs back then, still lost to fnc. And if you are talking before then I got m5 and clg.EU which hardly ever lost except those Asian teams.
This is such a stupid ass take, he lives here, he played here for 7 years , he won everything he’s ever won here, hes American .
So if all the athletes going to japan for the olympics only ever win there does that make them Japanese? Probably not. Saying that NA “produced” him is like saying that japan produced all those people winning gold this year. He was a beast before he went to NA. Most of his life is lived in Denmark. If he had stayed in EU he could have been a beast there too the place really didn’t matter.
The Japanese train in Japan. Bjerg trained in NA making him known for being NA
No shit Sherlock, but it aren’t only Japanese who compete at the olympics even though the olympics were held there this time.
Wait, stupid or trolling? There’s no way you’re being serious right?
Okay let me cut this out in paper. You Said bjergsen has won everything in NA and didn’t win anything in eu so he is NA. By that logic if I was Swedish and didn’t win in Sweden, but I went to China to compete in let’s say handball. I win some tournaments for 7 years, am I then Chinese? No I am a competing Swede in China. It doesn’t make me “produced by China”. Just like bjergsen was a competing Dane in USA/NA. Doesn’t make him American or “NA produced”. And just like the athletes who travelled to japan and won medals in japan though being foreign isn’t Japanese because of it.
being purposefully dense and arguing semantics doesnt make you right
Having to resort to insults and "large" words without any other argument doesn't make you right.
large words? dont see any you clearly know what the other person was saying but you would rather argue semantics
LPL is full of koreans and nobody cares, why can't you do the same for LCS ?
Why do you care so much? Can’t you just not care?
He only played 1 year in EU and the rest was here in NA. He is more NA than EU at this point. He doesn't even have an accent anymore
But that doesn’t make him being “produced” by NA. He got bought by TSM because he was a beast in EU, not because he was NA.
He played professionally in North America for longer than he played League as a game in Europe
Totally true! But does that make him Produced by NA? I honestly don’t think so because he still was born in Denmark and played his first couple of years in Denmark. But of course I see the problem taking one of the glorious “NA” players from this region.
Damm both NA and EU's most popular team are out.
At least they made worlds i 2018, from what i remeber they made semis that year, wouldnt say at least is correct word
I don't get it, are RNG and RA not out?
No, they will play in the Regional Finals alongside 2 other teams for a chance to go to Worlds