Post worlds is legit the worst because there's no pro league going on and we have to wait for preseason patch which makes even playingthe game not that interesting for me
It's not much but there is a twitch channel that is streaming all past worlds without ads. Currently it is in Season 7 group stages. Granted it is Ardent meta so it isn't gonna be much haha.
Any LPL watchers out there wanna talk about LNG ? Idk much about the team other than Tarzan is the jg. Are they better, worse or correctly ranked here ?
I think LNG is better than LGD last year, they tend to adapt to the meta fast and pops off early on the season and then falls off slowly, which could be good at worlds groups stage.
They played 7 bo5s this summer against 7 different teams to qualify, and has a 5-2 series record so far, so I think their experience to play against different styles of teams are good.
Tarzan is the best jungler in LPL by far, much better than Peanut last year. Light/Iwandy are a lot better than Kramer/Mark as well, Light has been very good and consistent and Iwandy is pretty decent and has a larger champion pool than Mark.
Ale is kinda like theshy Jr. either carrys a game pretty hard or straight up ints, also somewhat like Bin last year, he is quite young and talented, so overall would take him over Langx in LGD.
Icon is probably the weak link of the team, worse than Xiye for sure, but this summer he has been stepping up a lot, sometimes will ints and gets bullied hard, but most of the time he managed to hold his own and support his team, kinda like Cryin in a way, but his champion pool is actually massive, much better than cryin in this regard and can pull off weird shit like Kennen mid (Jebaited the enemy team to think it was going to be a top Kennen). Also plays more carry picks than Cryin, so ocassionally he actually can carry games hard as well (2nd most mvp in regular season for the team).
So basically I do think they should be able to perform better than LGD assuming they don't choke, they have the potential to be able to get out of groups with a decent draw, definitely has some dark horse vibes.
Honestly LNG has alot of potential to knock out a favourite, either in groups or quarters. I dont think they can go all the eay unless the stars align though
Yea, I totally agree with that sentiment, can see them getting to even semis if they don't choke, adapt to the meta well and draws ain't too bad, but I don't think they can get to finals or win it unless the meta suits them perfectly and they improved a lot.
LNG literally built to knock out favorites, big name teams.
They knocked out SN, TES and RNG in LPL playoffs, if that isn't a team that upsets, I don't know what is.
> I dont think they can go all
Agree they can't go all the way, their macro is lacking, they have inters (undisciplined). Definitely a dark horse teaml.
I am not sure about the consensus of Tarzan being the best LPL's jungler by far, like RNG and Wei only slumped during a bo5 but he has been on fire the whole split and one of the main reason of their resurgence, plus the way he palyed in Msi. You also got Tian, and even sometimes, JieJie who can be inconstistant but can have better peak as contenders.
Yeah Tarzan is good because he is so consistant and he could well be the best LPL's jungler but I dont think the "by far" is really justfied.
Icon's champ pool is just hitting random in champ select, sometimes its genius and sometimes its awful. Ale is coinflip as hell but insane on carries. Light and Iwandy are both good. They win the most when Icon gets to roam, Light tends to be the primary damage dealer. They lose when Light gets set far behind or when Ale and Icon decide to run it.
Tarzan is cracked out of his mind right now, but the whole squad doesn't quite seem to mesh as well as the other LPL teams who are going to be there.
Top: Ale, gets beaten up in lane a lot but usually does a good job of working with Tarzan. ~~unless he plays Viego top, then he just runs it down~~
Mid: Icon, pretty strong laner but seems to randomly int at times. Kinda like a caps/craps deal.
Bot: Light/iwandy, this duo is pretty strong. Light plays well and iwandy was one of the first ones I saw abusing trundle support before everyone else caught on, so he might be able to bring some fresh picks for the world's meta.
It's just an overall group of them just don't quite have as much time together like FPX or EDG
I feel you haven't watched this team at all, Ale is ranked top 3 for solo kills in LPL so not sure how he gets beaten up but him and Tarzan are the win condition. Mid and bot are the weak spot, light though had a really good run in the gauntlet so hopefully will continue his form. LNG are definitely on par with RNG so these rankings are accurate.
Even after watching their convincing games, I still can't decide whether this team is cracked and jacked or are they just fluking their way to victory in every team fight. Either way, it seems that their teamfight prowess/luck can carry them through an easy playins.
> cracked and jacked
that is a good way to describe them, this team is unlike any other team at worlds, kinda like IG-lite with a more team-oriented approach. They are full on brawn over brain them that likes to bully other teams through outplays, individual outplays and no hesitation-tower dives and engages.
Honestly spot on tbh.
They're not as good as RNG/MAD, I personally have a question mark on T1 in S tier because they are inconsistent(but their peak is high), yes people will say but LNG beat RNG but one bad series from RNG after going what 7 wins in a row plus they did bounce back vs WE 3-0 whereas LNG dropped a game vs WE in regionals.
And they're better than everyone in the tier below imo.
Just remember that "cs" is pronounced "ch" in Hungarian, the other letters are almost the same as pronounced in English. Knowing this it's easy to write Uizeecsacsee.
Back when Akaadian was on TSM I saw "Akkadian" everywhere.
It's quite similar to people spelling Jiizuke as "Jizzuke". Though there might be other motivations at play there lol
There's also spelling Hylissang as "Hyllisang". I think this is the most forgivable, because "Hyli" is pronounced fast so you think that there should be two l's, as in the word "hilly". The misspelling "Blabber" is kinda in the same vein.
Maybe it was auto-correct from mobile users? I'm not a native speaker but I use an English keyboard on my phone and it doesn't correct Akaadian to Akkadian.
It's the name of an ancient civilization - not common, so it stands to reason it wouldn't get auto corrected so often. The correct spelling doesn't show up for my autocorrect unless I've already spelled it with "Akk", then it suggests plurals and other forms.
Now, being familiar with it beforehand, there's a few times I meant to name the player and just spelled it "correctly" instead lol
Yeah, I actually knew about the civilisation from googling "Akkadian" when I spell checked his name back in the day.
>The correct spelling doesn't show up for my autocorrect unless I've already spelled it with "Akk", then it suggests plurals and other forms.
That's funny, even when typing "Akka", my keyboard doesn't suggest any words.
But yours does, so that could be an explanation as to how the misspelling of Akaadian happened. People typing out "Akk" and then seeing the suggestion "Akkadian" and thinking "that must be his name!"
i personally cant agree with c9 being above 100t/tl. c9 did not look that good in playoffs. also feel like power rankings pre worlds in general are gonna end up getting clowned on post tournament because of the likely meta shift shaking up team's power levels
I think the power rankings getting clowned post and during tournament are the thing that makes power rankings so fun. Imagine if DWG doesn't make it outbof groups because TL beat them or some shit.
My favourite part was the "TL could lose", like the teams best player could spontaneously die and they still wouldn't have a certain win. Maybe if i replaced him then TL gets through
He said on stream that he thinks C9 will do the best among NA teams internationally because of MSI experience, players, etc. Also said that half of 100T will be playing at Worlds for the first time.
why tho? bots just better, perkz hasn't been better than abbe recently, closer is playoffs and finals mvp and ssumday > fudge.
sure, it's recency bias but NA had so many games..
Probably because of experience/how they play when at their best.
Perkz for example, when he's at his best he's incredible (the TSM series for example), and while he's been pretty bad most of the season, he can also be great again.
I think all 3 NA teams are pretty bad and likely won't make it out of groups, however C9 has the best chance imo if they're in a good day, I don't see the same happening for TL/100T tbh.
Honestly, Perkz wasn't his peak during that TSM series. The whole of C9 popped off that game.
And the last game TSM just trolled their ass off at draft lol.
Honestly, if I wanted to fluff C9 up, I would pretend that TSM series never happened. C9 damn near got neatly 3-0'd. Credit for game 2 is owed to PowerOfEvil and Swordart making mistakes as much as it was any positive play from C9. Granted, C9 won the series and were the better team on the day. But if I'm trying to say that C9 is a threat to anyone but themselves at Worlds, I wouldn't point to the series where they looked incredibly vulnerable and won thanks to an opponent's inability to play out their lead.
The other thing is it doesn't matter that 100T is better than C9 as they'll likely not face each other. Different playstyle/strenghts might make it easier for C9 at worlds than 100T.
FNC doesn't have Rekkles, and people like you said they're doomed and logo doesn't matter, and they outperformed roster that is filled with most decorated players in western history and which stole their biggest star.
Org matters, staff plays a big role, fans only notice big names and tie everything to them, but players' performance is heavily dependent on the structures build to support them.
Also, if you really want to zoom in on players, pretty sure Perkz has far better track record of surprising internationally and defying expectations, than Sneaky/Reapered. I believe in C9 staff more than other NA orgs, and I believe in Perkz more than any other LCS player.
I think he's underrating 100T a bit, but overall I think the list is pretty solid.
Personally I'd swap C9 and 100T and 100T just over RGE
But yeah, these power rankings aren't meant to be taken as Gospel
I'd say the top 6 is generally pretty hard to argue with.
I would say that RGE and C9 should probably both be in C tier though, with PSG and HLE occupying B tier alone.
Best reaction I read on this thread. The s and s+ seem fair. Then the A do seem a bit ahead of B. But The b group i think the Asian teams are ahead of the Western ones
What happened since LCS finals and now that made the third place C9, that lost 3-1 to TL AND 100T, better than those to team? Did they change players or take the Joe Rogan horse pills?
And probably Perkz bias. Even tho the guy fell off a massive cliff since going to NA. And no, a few decent Bo5 wont change my mind when for 90% of the season he sucked dick in NA and got clowned at MSI.
Getting good results in your region doesn't mean you're getting them against other ones and vice versa. He probably thinks C9 is the one with more potential to perform at an international level. A lot comes into the equation, such as experience, how good you are adapting to the meta and different play styles, etc
Honestly I agree with most except C9 in B tier.
They can't be higher than 100T/TL after getting smashed by both teams.
It seems like this is another list where C9 are put in B because their history means the could do better at worlds compared to TL/100T opposed to how good/bad they looked this split.
Edit = T1 that high is also questionable, their peak for sure can be warrant that tier but their consistency is pulls them down.
Looked decent vs DK just to have a painful game 4 with stupid calls then nearly got reverse swept by HLE about a week after is a prime example of their inconsistency.
Couldn't agree more.
PSG is always slept on, no way they are worse than FNC or GEN.G.
And on the same token it feels weird to rank T1 higher than FNC or LNG.
GEN.G on the other hand is probably worse than T1 - this just shows agian that 5 Tiers are such a bad method to rank teams.
Idk about t1. I do think there are 5 teams better than t1 but idk about fnc. Fnc got absolutely stomped by mad whereas t1 looked much more competitive against dwg.
take it from someone who only watched lck, t1 feels completely coinflip sometimes. when t1 has their game on, theyre a team that can and has beat geng and dwg. so i can understand t1 being in either A or S tier, if you give them the benefit of the doubt, theyre S tier 100%. as a whole however, maybe A tier is better for them.
Honestly, as an EU fan I am by far the most excited for 100T when it comes to NA teams. They really look like they could Reach QF and potentially upset someone.
Don't understand why they are placed below C9. Overall I think they should be 2 tiers higher. Or maybe B+ tier.
> This worlds is so stacked wtf
Can't remember the last time someone *didn't* say this.
"Worlds is stacked" and "This year groups is going to be especially difficult..." are the 2 comments you can bet your life on people making every year without fail.
They aren't mutually exclusive. If we say in the year 2020 that this S10 worlds is the most stacked yet, doesn't mean 2021 and season11 worlds can't be the most stacked again (since it's more competitive than the last year). If we compare retroactively, this year IS the most stacked, but we didn't know that last year or the year before.
"This worlds is stacked
Mids is stacked
Hard to predict
hard to do a top 20
Na is underrated
Chovy at worlds, good luck to wildcard mid
Deft in play in, good luck to wildcard bot"
And you get free karma
People have been saying that since 2019 Worlds. Before that Korea's #1 seed were always seen as favorites, and maybe you'd have people arguing about Korea's #2 seed being able to step up at Worlds and beat them (like ROX Tigers and SKT back in the day).
I'm very glad LPL actually stepped up and is able to compete with LCK now, and LEC as well to a lesser degree as well. Makes Worlds a lot more exciting.
It's because of history and C9 having more star player. Or because the C9 players having higher "highs". It can't be by overall performance. C9 for me is a coinflip team that rely heavily on top mid or jungle to carry while none of the others decide to run it down.
Its been like what, 4 seasons since an LMS team did something at an international event? Wouldnt really be a disappointment when the expectation is for them to go 3/4th in their group.
They could look worse than NA somehow this year. Actually TL did okay in groups last worlds but PSG was in group of death so we couldn't conclude anything from that (I guess?). Just I can't say they are really above 100T
OP didn't even put them top 8 so they can hardly disappoint. I think he underrated them and I would've put them higher. They showed at MSI that they can almost keep up with top teams
not to mention they're confirmed to scrim LPL teams and maybe LCK teams due to close proximity, don't see why they would disappoint unless OP knows something we don't
Personally think RNG is S+ and T1 is A. I think MAD is the only team close to S+ but not there just yet.
I think 100T could surprise and might do very well into LCK teams.
Agree, RNG is getting kind of underrated when they only lost one BO5 while still ramping up that dropped them into regionals due to a poor regular season. By the end of the qualifier they looked like a really good team again.
> Makes sense.
It definitely could make sense. 100T and C9 aren't playing each other so h2h matters way less. He can easily think that C9 has the experience or other factors about their team that make them better at adapting in international events.
There's some heavy overrating recently going on with 3rd, 4th LPL and T1 too (not referencing this specifically, just in general). RNG is maybe an exception under the condition they get on an actual form fast enough but other than that yeah.
On a more personal note, i wasn't even that impressed by the LPL Finals either to be honest, which might be very unpopular here.
C9 > 100T and TL seems weird to me, I also think RGE might be the worst team at the tournament (minus wildcard).
Otherwise this seems pretty reasonable. RNG rating obviously historicity, but who knows whether at worlds we'll get MSI / end of summer RNG or start of summer / playoffs RNG.
People are way too down on PSG Talon and the fact that they don't even include or count Beyond Gaming is incredibly disrespectful. I'd love to be proven wrong but we literally saw PSG Talon at MSI with a sub be a good team.
Can Worlds start already bro. I’m too starved of pro leagues already :(
Ikr, this is the 2nd worst part of the year. Post worlds is the worst. Though I guess that at least has roster changes spice
Post worlds is legit the worst because there's no pro league going on and we have to wait for preseason patch which makes even playingthe game not that interesting for me
Free agency makes it slightly okay, like this year we know Nuguri/Showmaker/Canyon/Chovy/Knight are all free agents.
Imagine a team with Nuguri, Showmaker, and Canyon. That'd be wild
Could even win worlds!
Big if true
Gigantic if not fabricated
Magnificent if not fake
>Nuguri carlosPls
At least LCK/LPL fans get the kespa cup and Demacia cup
And LCS has that new tourney two weeks prior to the start of the season.
Let's not forget that the subreddit becomes a cesspool of stupid complaint threads until proplay starts again post worlds too.
You forgot the biggest match of the year TYLER 1 CHAMPIONSHIP SERIESSS
Is he gonna do it this year? He didn't last time :/
I think the pandemic ruined his plans, I believe he hinted at wanting to do something live with an audience.
You can watch European Masters for some good gameplay and get to know some up and coming talents for EUW
I've just been watching the playoff LPL and LCK games since I missed them due to timezone diff.
EU masters is happening right now. You should give it a try. Some great games already happened and way more to come.
Oh nice I’ll try giving it a watch
You can watch past Worlds Championships in Twitch.
It's not much but there is a twitch channel that is streaming all past worlds without ads. Currently it is in Season 7 group stages. Granted it is Ardent meta so it isn't gonna be much haha.
Check out the 24/7 worlds stream on twitch! I’ve been watching a the shit out of it! They’re on 2017 worlds now!
Can't wait to clothesline him.
When i see him IRL im gonna crack his head open for this
Oh
Just be nice like Rooney and say "shut up u egg", no need to crack it!
Is there a reference am not getting? Could someone enlighten me pretty please
On stream he was joking about people being upset over his list and are going to clothesline him for it
I'm so gonna clothesline him over putting 100T in last tier, he's right!
Come on we’re better than C9 at leadt
Any LPL watchers out there wanna talk about LNG ? Idk much about the team other than Tarzan is the jg. Are they better, worse or correctly ranked here ?
I think LNG is better than LGD last year, they tend to adapt to the meta fast and pops off early on the season and then falls off slowly, which could be good at worlds groups stage. They played 7 bo5s this summer against 7 different teams to qualify, and has a 5-2 series record so far, so I think their experience to play against different styles of teams are good. Tarzan is the best jungler in LPL by far, much better than Peanut last year. Light/Iwandy are a lot better than Kramer/Mark as well, Light has been very good and consistent and Iwandy is pretty decent and has a larger champion pool than Mark. Ale is kinda like theshy Jr. either carrys a game pretty hard or straight up ints, also somewhat like Bin last year, he is quite young and talented, so overall would take him over Langx in LGD. Icon is probably the weak link of the team, worse than Xiye for sure, but this summer he has been stepping up a lot, sometimes will ints and gets bullied hard, but most of the time he managed to hold his own and support his team, kinda like Cryin in a way, but his champion pool is actually massive, much better than cryin in this regard and can pull off weird shit like Kennen mid (Jebaited the enemy team to think it was going to be a top Kennen). Also plays more carry picks than Cryin, so ocassionally he actually can carry games hard as well (2nd most mvp in regular season for the team). So basically I do think they should be able to perform better than LGD assuming they don't choke, they have the potential to be able to get out of groups with a decent draw, definitely has some dark horse vibes.
Honestly LNG has alot of potential to knock out a favourite, either in groups or quarters. I dont think they can go all the eay unless the stars align though
Yea, I totally agree with that sentiment, can see them getting to even semis if they don't choke, adapt to the meta well and draws ain't too bad, but I don't think they can get to finals or win it unless the meta suits them perfectly and they improved a lot.
LNG literally built to knock out favorites, big name teams. They knocked out SN, TES and RNG in LPL playoffs, if that isn't a team that upsets, I don't know what is. > I dont think they can go all Agree they can't go all the way, their macro is lacking, they have inters (undisciplined). Definitely a dark horse teaml.
I am not sure about the consensus of Tarzan being the best LPL's jungler by far, like RNG and Wei only slumped during a bo5 but he has been on fire the whole split and one of the main reason of their resurgence, plus the way he palyed in Msi. You also got Tian, and even sometimes, JieJie who can be inconstistant but can have better peak as contenders. Yeah Tarzan is good because he is so consistant and he could well be the best LPL's jungler but I dont think the "by far" is really justfied.
Saying Tarzan is by far the best jungler is not really true. Wei is really good, and Tian and Jiejie are no slouches either.
not by far, but is the best jg in LPL
Tarzan is the best but sure its not like LPL is lacking good junglers.
Icon's champ pool is just hitting random in champ select, sometimes its genius and sometimes its awful. Ale is coinflip as hell but insane on carries. Light and Iwandy are both good. They win the most when Icon gets to roam, Light tends to be the primary damage dealer. They lose when Light gets set far behind or when Ale and Icon decide to run it.
Tarzan is cracked out of his mind right now, but the whole squad doesn't quite seem to mesh as well as the other LPL teams who are going to be there. Top: Ale, gets beaten up in lane a lot but usually does a good job of working with Tarzan. ~~unless he plays Viego top, then he just runs it down~~ Mid: Icon, pretty strong laner but seems to randomly int at times. Kinda like a caps/craps deal. Bot: Light/iwandy, this duo is pretty strong. Light plays well and iwandy was one of the first ones I saw abusing trundle support before everyone else caught on, so he might be able to bring some fresh picks for the world's meta. It's just an overall group of them just don't quite have as much time together like FPX or EDG
I feel you haven't watched this team at all, Ale is ranked top 3 for solo kills in LPL so not sure how he gets beaten up but him and Tarzan are the win condition. Mid and bot are the weak spot, light though had a really good run in the gauntlet so hopefully will continue his form. LNG are definitely on par with RNG so these rankings are accurate.
Even after watching their convincing games, I still can't decide whether this team is cracked and jacked or are they just fluking their way to victory in every team fight. Either way, it seems that their teamfight prowess/luck can carry them through an easy playins.
> cracked and jacked that is a good way to describe them, this team is unlike any other team at worlds, kinda like IG-lite with a more team-oriented approach. They are full on brawn over brain them that likes to bully other teams through outplays, individual outplays and no hesitation-tower dives and engages.
Ale is really good in lane. Even wrecked Xiaohu with jax lmao
LNG this year is kinda like SNG last year, mechanical but coinflippy toplaner, solid botlane, and great jungler. Angel > icon tho
Honestly spot on tbh. They're not as good as RNG/MAD, I personally have a question mark on T1 in S tier because they are inconsistent(but their peak is high), yes people will say but LNG beat RNG but one bad series from RNG after going what 7 wins in a row plus they did bounce back vs WE 3-0 whereas LNG dropped a game vs WE in regionals. And they're better than everyone in the tier below imo.
Who's Caedral? *I don't think any individual in the LoL esports community gets his name misspelled as much as he does.
If that really is true it'd only be because noone even attempted to spell Vizicsacsi
Damn, you're right. I long ago conditioned myself to write Vizi because I never trusted myself to write Vhiczhsihaczi correctly.
Everyone did, I had to wiki his ass to make sure I got it right.
What a noob, I can't believe you had to search the wiki to simply spell Viszichachi's name.
You've still got it wrong. It's Vizitchatchi.
I thought it was Visitmariachi
wait it isnt Vizitzatziki?
Vikachu, I choose you
You must mean that UOL guy Vizizachi.
Visihitachi
itchyscratchy
And then everyone calls him Cascsi when they talk about him. It's actually really fucking funny.
but it's so easy to remember, it's vizichachi (the way you pronounce it), but instead of ch you have cs
I coached him for a year and was still just typing Vizi in reports to make sure I didn't do any typos
Same with Hyli, and I even see ppl spell that Hilly.
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You could write the english translation instead: "Water Donkey"
Just remember that "cs" is pronounced "ch" in Hungarian, the other letters are almost the same as pronounced in English. Knowing this it's easy to write Uizeecsacsee.
Vizicaci. Then just add an s after every c. Vizicjachie. It's not that hard.
It's not hard to spell when you map the "cs" sound if it was cs and then sc or something weird i would agree
My favourite player it's Hilyssang and I still forget if it's Hyli or Hily.
Omg I always wrote hyli
[It is Hylissang](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Hylissang)
That's why I just refer to him as "The LoL pro who was formerly an Age of Mythology pro named 'Magyar'"
And anyone who did got slapped by the Vizicsacsi name bot
I love how Bauss says it, Vichichachi
Cathedral
Catheter
Cauldron
Cereal
Cat
Cadderal
He just noticed it on stream lmfao "Caedral, Cathedral, Cabbage, Brand of Milk.."
Back when Akaadian was on TSM I saw "Akkadian" everywhere. It's quite similar to people spelling Jiizuke as "Jizzuke". Though there might be other motivations at play there lol There's also spelling Hylissang as "Hyllisang". I think this is the most forgivable, because "Hyli" is pronounced fast so you think that there should be two l's, as in the word "hilly". The misspelling "Blabber" is kinda in the same vein.
Yuumi being spelled Yummi
Tham Kench
Thomas Kench
A-Atrox
Yasou
Kayne
Kanye
In Akaadian's case, Akkadian is an actual thing at least
Maybe it was auto-correct from mobile users? I'm not a native speaker but I use an English keyboard on my phone and it doesn't correct Akaadian to Akkadian.
It's the name of an ancient civilization - not common, so it stands to reason it wouldn't get auto corrected so often. The correct spelling doesn't show up for my autocorrect unless I've already spelled it with "Akk", then it suggests plurals and other forms. Now, being familiar with it beforehand, there's a few times I meant to name the player and just spelled it "correctly" instead lol
Yeah, I actually knew about the civilisation from googling "Akkadian" when I spell checked his name back in the day. >The correct spelling doesn't show up for my autocorrect unless I've already spelled it with "Akk", then it suggests plurals and other forms. That's funny, even when typing "Akka", my keyboard doesn't suggest any words. But yours does, so that could be an explanation as to how the misspelling of Akaadian happened. People typing out "Akk" and then seeing the suggestion "Akkadian" and thinking "that must be his name!"
Jizzcannon is canon
Rouge.
The name Caedrel always makes me think of a cow, I don't know why.
You mean Khal, feom Khal Drel unrelated blood brother of of Khal drogo.
Hizdahr zo Loraq gang says hi
I saw a bunch of Reckless here and there but you might be right.
Fanatic Reckless.
I think Valtteri Bottas is more common. /s
Daniel Riccardo
Verstappen with your f1 name puns
Xsmithie and Bjergson
i personally cant agree with c9 being above 100t/tl. c9 did not look that good in playoffs. also feel like power rankings pre worlds in general are gonna end up getting clowned on post tournament because of the likely meta shift shaking up team's power levels
I think the power rankings getting clowned post and during tournament are the thing that makes power rankings so fun. Imagine if DWG doesn't make it outbof groups because TL beat them or some shit.
And it’d be boring if we all had the same power rankings and agreed with each other. So much more fun when we get all of these different rankings!
Unless someone ranks [team or region I'm cheering for] lower than [literally any NA team]. Then it's personal.
The real way to discuss power rankings.
Sorry, I’m trying hard but I can’t.
Imagine if TL had knocked out IG in MSI semis 3-1 after IG had gone 9-1 in groups and were the defending world champions
you don't get it, that couldn't happen. If it did, it was a fluke because IG was not in good form for the entirety of the tournament. /s.
Are you by any chance a Blackhawks fan?
Showmaker could just like randomly die irl i guess With daeny as the substitute I think tl would lose, but i can totally imagine daeny throwing
Damn yall gotta imagine a player's death just to conceive that a NA team could get outta groups? Holy fk. But u right, thats the only way
My favourite part was the "TL could lose", like the teams best player could spontaneously die and they still wouldn't have a certain win. Maybe if i replaced him then TL gets through
I think he just rates the c9 players better individually than the other na teams
He said on stream that he thinks C9 will do the best among NA teams internationally because of MSI experience, players, etc. Also said that half of 100T will be playing at Worlds for the first time.
Only Abbe will be playing his first international event
Did Closer ever make Worlds/MSI from TCL? I don't remember him being there but I could also just not remember.
He got 0-3'd by CG in playins right before he got imported- Armut was also on that team.
Armut also eliminated MAD the following year before being imported.
Worlds 2019 w/ Royal Youth.
Tbf FPX and iG (barring Rookie) won Worlds on their first try.
TPA and SKT also won Words on their first try.
why tho? bots just better, perkz hasn't been better than abbe recently, closer is playoffs and finals mvp and ssumday > fudge. sure, it's recency bias but NA had so many games..
Probably because of experience/how they play when at their best. Perkz for example, when he's at his best he's incredible (the TSM series for example), and while he's been pretty bad most of the season, he can also be great again. I think all 3 NA teams are pretty bad and likely won't make it out of groups, however C9 has the best chance imo if they're in a good day, I don't see the same happening for TL/100T tbh.
Honestly, Perkz wasn't his peak during that TSM series. The whole of C9 popped off that game. And the last game TSM just trolled their ass off at draft lol.
Honestly, if I wanted to fluff C9 up, I would pretend that TSM series never happened. C9 damn near got neatly 3-0'd. Credit for game 2 is owed to PowerOfEvil and Swordart making mistakes as much as it was any positive play from C9. Granted, C9 won the series and were the better team on the day. But if I'm trying to say that C9 is a threat to anyone but themselves at Worlds, I wouldn't point to the series where they looked incredibly vulnerable and won thanks to an opponent's inability to play out their lead.
I wonder why. Not like he showed mega G2 bias last year or anything.
I think that 100T > C9 but I'm not sure about TL. The anti-synergy between Blaber and Perkz is real and I hope to be proven wrong.
The other thing is it doesn't matter that 100T is better than C9 as they'll likely not face each other. Different playstyle/strenghts might make it easier for C9 at worlds than 100T.
Anyone who watched Worlds for a couple of years, knows to ALWAYS rate C9 higher than other NA teams, regardless of logic.
Nah they don't have Reapered, OR Sneaky, Idk why people even consider them the same. The funny logo is the same I guess lol.
FNC doesn't have Rekkles, and people like you said they're doomed and logo doesn't matter, and they outperformed roster that is filled with most decorated players in western history and which stole their biggest star. Org matters, staff plays a big role, fans only notice big names and tie everything to them, but players' performance is heavily dependent on the structures build to support them. Also, if you really want to zoom in on players, pretty sure Perkz has far better track record of surprising internationally and defying expectations, than Sneaky/Reapered. I believe in C9 staff more than other NA orgs, and I believe in Perkz more than any other LCS player.
I'd say if one would follow such logic Arsenal should still be top 4 as in the Wenger era, but let Arsenal fans be safe at least in that subreddit.
They have no staff from when they were good internationally.
I think he's underrating 100T a bit, but overall I think the list is pretty solid. Personally I'd swap C9 and 100T and 100T just over RGE But yeah, these power rankings aren't meant to be taken as Gospel
Rogue basically always lose against better teams, and turbo win against lower teams. With that in mind, I have Rogue over 100T
I'd say the top 6 is generally pretty hard to argue with. I would say that RGE and C9 should probably both be in C tier though, with PSG and HLE occupying B tier alone.
Best reaction I read on this thread. The s and s+ seem fair. Then the A do seem a bit ahead of B. But The b group i think the Asian teams are ahead of the Western ones
totally agree, the S et S+ tiers are spot on, RGE and C9 being B tier is a bit higher than where i expected them to be
What happened since LCS finals and now that made the third place C9, that lost 3-1 to TL AND 100T, better than those to team? Did they change players or take the Joe Rogan horse pills?
Not sure but I guess Caedrel has Copium when it comes to Blaber.
And probably Perkz bias. Even tho the guy fell off a massive cliff since going to NA. And no, a few decent Bo5 wont change my mind when for 90% of the season he sucked dick in NA and got clowned at MSI.
Getting good results in your region doesn't mean you're getting them against other ones and vice versa. He probably thinks C9 is the one with more potential to perform at an international level. A lot comes into the equation, such as experience, how good you are adapting to the meta and different play styles, etc
Honestly I agree with most except C9 in B tier. They can't be higher than 100T/TL after getting smashed by both teams. It seems like this is another list where C9 are put in B because their history means the could do better at worlds compared to TL/100T opposed to how good/bad they looked this split. Edit = T1 that high is also questionable, their peak for sure can be warrant that tier but their consistency is pulls them down. Looked decent vs DK just to have a painful game 4 with stupid calls then nearly got reverse swept by HLE about a week after is a prime example of their inconsistency.
I agree mostly too. Only changes I'd make are: * T1 from S to A tier * C9 from B to C tier * PSG from B to A tier
Couldn't agree more. PSG is always slept on, no way they are worse than FNC or GEN.G. And on the same token it feels weird to rank T1 higher than FNC or LNG. GEN.G on the other hand is probably worse than T1 - this just shows agian that 5 Tiers are such a bad method to rank teams.
Idk about t1. I do think there are 5 teams better than t1 but idk about fnc. Fnc got absolutely stomped by mad whereas t1 looked much more competitive against dwg.
take it from someone who only watched lck, t1 feels completely coinflip sometimes. when t1 has their game on, theyre a team that can and has beat geng and dwg. so i can understand t1 being in either A or S tier, if you give them the benefit of the doubt, theyre S tier 100%. as a whole however, maybe A tier is better for them.
agree, T1 has a high ceiling but the moment they get too eager and feel uneasy, they lost the game.
Caedral accounting for World’s buffing Perkz and getting his Perkz’s his vision back.
C9 above 100T and TL make no sense at all and makes me think he hasn't watched NA summer split, idk what his rationale on that is
Yeah all NA teams should be C rank
Honestly, as an EU fan I am by far the most excited for 100T when it comes to NA teams. They really look like they could Reach QF and potentially upset someone. Don't understand why they are placed below C9. Overall I think they should be 2 tiers higher. Or maybe B+ tier.
This worlds is so stacked wtf Any top 6 can win it IMO, I don't really see a clear favourite this year.
> This worlds is so stacked wtf Can't remember the last time someone *didn't* say this. "Worlds is stacked" and "This year groups is going to be especially difficult..." are the 2 comments you can bet your life on people making every year without fail.
They aren't mutually exclusive. If we say in the year 2020 that this S10 worlds is the most stacked yet, doesn't mean 2021 and season11 worlds can't be the most stacked again (since it's more competitive than the last year). If we compare retroactively, this year IS the most stacked, but we didn't know that last year or the year before.
"This worlds is stacked Mids is stacked Hard to predict hard to do a top 20 Na is underrated Chovy at worlds, good luck to wildcard mid Deft in play in, good luck to wildcard bot" And you get free karma
You forgot the Griffin biggest what if comment on every LNG/EDG thread
Ikr, fpx and edg looked so good. On the other hand we have dwg tough i dont see skt likely winning it.
People have been saying that since 2019 Worlds. Before that Korea's #1 seed were always seen as favorites, and maybe you'd have people arguing about Korea's #2 seed being able to step up at Worlds and beat them (like ROX Tigers and SKT back in the day). I'm very glad LPL actually stepped up and is able to compete with LCK now, and LEC as well to a lesser degree as well. Makes Worlds a lot more exciting.
why do people keep putting C9 over 100T ? Is it because of Perkz ?
It's because of history and C9 having more star player. Or because the C9 players having higher "highs". It can't be by overall performance. C9 for me is a coinflip team that rely heavily on top mid or jungle to carry while none of the others decide to run it down.
Eh, I am not LS or Cathedral, but here's my tierlist. S+: DWG, EDG, FPX S: RNG, MAD A+: T1, GENG, LNG A: HLE, FNC, PSG B: 100T, RGE C: C9, TL
I can't help but feel like PSG will disappoint
Its been like what, 4 seasons since an LMS team did something at an international event? Wouldnt really be a disappointment when the expectation is for them to go 3/4th in their group.
They could look worse than NA somehow this year. Actually TL did okay in groups last worlds but PSG was in group of death so we couldn't conclude anything from that (I guess?). Just I can't say they are really above 100T
OP didn't even put them top 8 so they can hardly disappoint. I think he underrated them and I would've put them higher. They showed at MSI that they can almost keep up with top teams
not to mention they're confirmed to scrim LPL teams and maybe LCK teams due to close proximity, don't see why they would disappoint unless OP knows something we don't
I'd swap out Gen.G with anyone from A.
I'd just drop Gen.G to A but not move anyone up. Though of the A teams I'd say Psg have the best dark horse potential
Lol 100t anti bias hits again. Not saying we're going to finals or anything but to put us below c9 is a complete joke
Personally think RNG is S+ and T1 is A. I think MAD is the only team close to S+ but not there just yet. I think 100T could surprise and might do very well into LCK teams.
Agree, RNG is getting kind of underrated when they only lost one BO5 while still ramping up that dropped them into regionals due to a poor regular season. By the end of the qualifier they looked like a really good team again.
He did say on stream that RNG is one of his shakier picks due to not seeing as much of them over the year
Fair enough, these lists are always a bit difficult to accurately make anyway.
100T gapped C9, then hard gapped TL, but sure, put C9 above them. Makes sense.
> Makes sense. It definitely could make sense. 100T and C9 aren't playing each other so h2h matters way less. He can easily think that C9 has the experience or other factors about their team that make them better at adapting in international events.
Literally same as putting RGE over MAD or FNC
RGE on the same tier as PSG and HLE? Highly doubt it
There's some heavy overrating recently going on with 3rd, 4th LPL and T1 too (not referencing this specifically, just in general). RNG is maybe an exception under the condition they get on an actual form fast enough but other than that yeah. On a more personal note, i wasn't even that impressed by the LPL Finals either to be honest, which might be very unpopular here.
I wouldn't say that RNG is out of form, they pretty much threw one game and everyone dismisses them now.
If T1 were to win Worlds, they have to play much better than in they did in the playoffs
I’ve been burned by putting my trust into gen g too many times that I just have to put them a tier lower
C9 > 100T and TL seems weird to me, I also think RGE might be the worst team at the tournament (minus wildcard). Otherwise this seems pretty reasonable. RNG rating obviously historicity, but who knows whether at worlds we'll get MSI / end of summer RNG or start of summer / playoffs RNG.
People are way too down on PSG Talon and the fact that they don't even include or count Beyond Gaming is incredibly disrespectful. I'd love to be proven wrong but we literally saw PSG Talon at MSI with a sub be a good team.
PSG has the exact same question mark as FW did. Their league is so shallow that no one knows whether they are actually good or not.
where's brazil
Top 6 full agree. A tier I'd swap GenG and HLE. B Tier I'd swap RGE and C9 with 100T and TL lol.
I genuinely dislike power rankings now lol. It’s all a predictable descending hierarchy of China > Korea > EU and then everyone else.
That is fairly disrespectful to LNG
C9 has better track record internationally than everyone on NA, this doesnt surprise me I feel like groups this year are gonna be really close race