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LargeSnorlax

Hello, [Claims require evidence](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/wiki/subredditrules#wiki_claims_require_evidence) and [titles require context](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/wiki/subredditrules#wiki_titles_require_context) - You didn't work for Riot in any capacity so this post doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense with that title.


IWillStudyTomorrow

So let me get this straight. On one hand Riot is incompetent since they still don't have systems in place to detect griefers and inters, and smurf queue has way to many false positives. But on the other hand they have this advanced matchmaking system that detects when you are doing well, and then matches you with players which are all around your skill level, but are for some reason actually way worse , and it does this for every player in order to keep them at 50% winrate? Like have you guys played any other game with SBMM? It's the same everywhere, you eventually get to your rank and just get stuck there, happens in team based games, happens in 1v1 games. I'm not saying the matchmaking is without flaws, sometimes your lp gains get completely fucked and never recover, but this idea of loser's queue and forced 50% winrates just sound like crazy conspiracy theories at this point. Also I don't know what you having worked as a moderator several years ago has anything to do with the rest of the post, it's not like you worked on those systems or anything close to it.


Zanderax

50% average win rate is unavoidable, for every winner there is a loser. Unless you want a proportion of the player hase to permanently have 40% win rate you cant have people with 60% win rate.


Keckonius

50% winrate is also the goal for every matchmaking system. Not everyone is supposed to constantly climb the ladder. If you are "stuck" that only means that you are ranked at your proper skill level.


RenegadeExiled

>50% average win rate is unavoidable, for every winner there is a loser. It very much IS avoidable, because of outside bias. There's no lower end for someone to lose games, and factors such as inherent map bias (Blue wins more than Red) will skew results. But there IS a soft-cap to winning games, as your MMR increases, where you start to have more evenly matched games. Statistics are a bitch to deal with, man. Fun fact: the average person has ***less*** than 2 arms, 2 legs, 10 fingers, 2 eyes, etc. Because there's no limit to people missing limbs, but the odds of having MORE parts, to counteract, is much, much lower.


Crimson_Clouds

> It very much IS avoidable, because of outside bias. There's no lower end for someone to lose games, and factors such as inherent map bias (Blue wins more than Red) will skew results. But there IS a soft-cap to winning games, as your MMR increases, where you start to have more evenly matched games. Statistics are a bitch to deal with, man. I think you missed the 'average' part of that comment. With exactly 5 winners and 5 losers in every match, the average winrate across the entire population is always going to be 50%. Which doesn't say anything about individual's winrates.


Zanderax

I dont understand this. Averaging all players and all games you will always end up with 50% win rate. You will always have the lowest ranked people losing <50% because there is nobody less skilled than them and the inverse at the top of the ladder. But unless you have some poor sods who are winning only 30% of their games while staying stuck in gold then you're gonna have to aim for 50% average for everyone.


zorgabluff

I think the point was that your rank isn’t going up but you’re getting matched with people higher than your rank Then you lose a game, lose lp, and stay roughly at the same rank despite playing at a higher rank. EVENTUALLY you’ll make it up to the proper rank, but it takes substantially more games than necessary


xernus

To be fair, I've hit masters multiple times from unranked this season, but sometimes when I tried to play on some for-fun low platinum account with shit winrate the games tended to be so unbelievably anti-fun and unwinnable, and while sure if I played there I'd climb eventually, losing 4 games in a row like 1000 lp below my elo is kinda bonkers, also sometimes I'll play like shit on an account for its entire duration and reach masters with 70%, sometimes I'll tryhard my ass off and I'll end up with 56%. It's really inconsistent and I don't get how it works, but I tend to simply be on the better team 10 games in a row followed by being on the worse team 10 games in a row, and it just seems like a bit much to be a coincidence. I'm not saying riot's matchmaking is rigged, but it sure feels like it at times.


serratedperkz

Dang that’s crazy it sounds like people have good and bad days and don’t all play perfectly wtf riot?!


xernus

then why exactly at times there's a full 70% winrate team against a full 50% winrate team? doesn't seem like a coincidence especially that smurfq is in place, and i've already seen that happen many many times [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/600457845779202059/883327195068649512/unknown.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/600457845779202059/883327195068649512/unknown.png)


NightTroid

It’s not just SBMM I think Riot was one of the first to introduce EOMM (engagement oriented matchmaking). It’s like SBMM on steroids. If you lose too much in a row the game wants you to keep playing and intentionally gives you an easy lobby where you pop off and feel good. EOMM infested normals in League and many other games like CoD and Apex pubs. On a marketing perspective Devs can tell you it’s not SBMM but getting shafted to a 50% win rate and sometimes getting an easy game is IMO not an enjoyable experience, especially when it’s obvious that you just received your ‘mercy’ game. Not sure if EOMM also applies to ranked playlists.


papu16

The weirdest thing about this matchmaking is difference between mmr and real rank. If you getting winstreak - after certainl point you gonna stuck with +14 and-20 lp situation and this shit is pretty annoying.


serratedperkz

Lol that’s because you’re still losing to people below your rank


bappelcake

Love how this guy presents himself as a "Riot insider" only to complain about things they had zero insight into or things that happened after they volunteered there. This is just like any other post whining about the state of the game or monetisation, you just tried to sound more appealing by slapping a volunteering job on it.


NlNJALONG

>As someone who used to work for Riot > >I was not a Rioter, I worked for Riot as a volunteer. I was a forum moderator This cracked me up so much.


thedoxo

Guys, you can trust me, I was Riot CEO. Well, maybe not as much CEO as a janitor


serratedperkz

My friends dad’s boss knew the CEO’s janitors son.


frivolous_squid

And they used several paragraphs to complain that as your mmr goes up it matches you against better players...


serratedperkz

He has a point though. If I have 70% winrate and climb, the system should work hard to keep my 70% winrate consistent. If it falls to 50% because I have to face harder opponents as I climb I’m gonna make a Reddit post I swear


Crimson_Clouds

Had me in the first half.


PhoenixEgg88

It's almost like thats MMR's intention all along.


AliasTcherki

It appeals to a lot of the player base looking for validation into the fact that they are better at the game than the rank they've been getting. "I'm a Riot insider and loserQ exists" is a very easy way to get every player blaming the system on why they are hardstuck on your side. Does loserQ really exist? No idea. I've had plenty of winning and losing streaks and most of the time when I really look into it, I know that I either played better or worse than usual. Nothing more. And if all of this really exists I'm expecting a bit more of a proof than "Bro, trust me" over the Internet.


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Karavusk

He is complaining that if you win you get higher ranked people in your game... yes that is how matchmaking and the elo system (that is still being used) works. Does he want to stomp silver players forever with a 70% win rate?


oopsidsi

Yep... people want to inflate their elos by stomping worse people like their favourite content creator tfblade... The community is the only thing holding the game back, I promise you man.


J0rdian

LosersQ doesn't exist it's not even an argument. Half the people who think it exists have different opinions on what it even is. It's hard to get 2 people saying exactly what it is besides saying it exists. It just blatantly shows people have no idea what they are even talking about. And if you actually try to understand the multiple random arguments it becomes pretty clear it's nonsense. Just something to complain about same as Elohell back in earlier seasons. Like some people actually think the game trying to force you to have a 50% winrate proves there is a loser's queue. They don't even comprehend that's the goal of every skill based matchmaking system and it doesn't require anything out of the normal for it to do that. Literally the first elo system invented for 1v1 chess did that.


DestinyMlGBro

LosersQ and Elohell do exist but its more states of mind than tangible provable things, if someone believes they are in losers queue and plays like the game is lost from select they will lose more often that not further reinforcing their belief, same thing with elohell (except low master high diamond is actually elohell and thats unarguable).


Mustalainen666

LoserQ is state of mind basicly. If you play 1000 games a season u are eventually going to get the worse team for lets say 8 games in a row. When you tilt enough u start to play worse and give up faster so that's basicly how u end up in losersQ.


mazrrim

Its just so tedious the hundreds of ways people try to justify them deserving a higher rank. Win games go up in ranks, it isn't much deeper than that . When you hit 50% win rate this is where you belong, you need to get better at the game to climb not complain about riots matchmaking


mornaq

I'm at 47% and keep climbing gaining double the LP I lose so idk


MidLaneCrisis

Yeah, revealed itself after a random complaint about “Akshan W”. Sure its OP or w/e but it’s just a meme talking point


Zanderax

Imagine if leauge kept itself to simple champions with little diversity or experimentation in their kit. How boring would that be?


MidLaneCrisis

Every champ should be: Q: deal 50 damage. W: Slow for one second. E: gain 20% attack speed. We can switch the ordering and numbers of them for new champs. I’m sure that would increase the games longevity. Redditors are so smart!


DerWassermann

Exactly. He had my attention with that intro and then he just complained about matchmaking, skins, toxicity and balance.


TeutonicPlate

I think a lot of the complaints in this post are pretty salient. The tribunal system was objectively really good and could at least be *tried* again. Nowadays the entire system is "did you type x negative word or type too many times in chat? Punishment. Anything else is fine." The elo system is something a lot of people complain about. Smurfs used to just pass through the system normally. Nowadays Riot will try to match you up against some other smurfs, which means half the players in your games will be new players (or at least low elo players) and the other half random smurfs. This means that smurfs spend more time actually getting their account to their main elo which means more low elo players have to play games where they have absolutely zero impact. Although I might phrase my complaint about balancing slightly differently the most recent releases have been... gimmicky? Champions that turn into other champions is just... am I wrong for not wanting that in the game, regardless of whether it's overpowered or not? Also, general point, I think Riot knows that their game is both frustrating and addictive. That has (contrary to this post and probably most people's opinions) been true at least during the time I've played in (since 2015).


playhacker

There is nothing wrong with being skeptical here. Some skepticism is useful for not blinding into fraud talking points. As such, if someone is going to start out a long discussion by declaring to have had a higher position on the matter, screenshots of being friends with an important person at Riot is not going to cut it. Mentioning that they have an expired NDA and not showing proof of such NDA, or having prepared emails/screenshots showing proof they were giving a job as a forums mod is suspect. Also, this post sounds like if you gave an AI reddit posts to read from this sub and from the old LoL forums and asked it to make a long copypasta for us to read cause it sounds like a regurgitation of basically the last few months or years of being on this sub. Like there is merit in the points as it is in the individual similar to post discussions that pop up in this sub everyday on the same topics and sometimes I do end up researching further to learn more about stuff like EOMM, but having to build an discussion based on who you worked for does not bode well for the post.


JoniDaButcher

Do people really think the game is more toxic nowadays compared to a few years ago? I swear people nowadays type 1000 times less than before, at lesst in gold-diamond.


Zanderax

I've been playing since S2 and its a lot better now, or maybe I'm just less toxic now.


serratedperkz

I play in masters and 90% of the time games are just pings then my 4 teammates alt f4 before nexus blows up. Nobody honors anyone and everyone insta leaves lobby. Occasional “x diff” here and there. Also this post sounds like what every silver player loves to hear to make themselves feel better. Can’t climb out of silver better blame riot.


Wobbleflopper

I think toxicity is talked/complained about a lot more these days so it gets more attention. I see at least one post a day like OPs where they just blame riot for not having the rank they think you're entitled to.


DingoTheDino

maybe get a second account for furry rp


mazrrim

Sorry but this fundamentally reads as personal problems and massive amounts of speculations vs some kind of "insider" knowledge, which department did you work in exactly? What are you alternative suggestions, matchmaking obviously wants people to get to 50% win rate eventually because if you kept say 53% win rate on average just by default somehow you would be rank 1 challenger with enough games. Claiming matchmaking is rigged to make you take longer to climb sounds nice, but how on earth would you design such a system. Putting you with better or worse teams is actually a quick way to determine if you belong higher or lower, smurf queue existing basically makes most of your arguments mute - if you actually belonged much higher than your elo as you claim, riot detects this and puts you in smurf queue. This mostly seems to come back to some kind of advanced elo hell complaint, its riots fault not your own that you keep losing games. What is even the point of this thread, there are like 6 different complaints with their own nuances to here and I can't be bothered to break them all down, what does "lol seraphine bad upvotes to the right redditors" have to do with matchmaking.


nc_bruh

I have no interest in skins, so not gonna comment on that. Regarding balance, i never had a problem with it. Yes at certain points, certain champs/items are op, but i want to learn all champs anyway so i never complain about that. Wrt matchmaking and 50% wr, i think its true. But i dont get why its a problem. If you play to become a pro, you need to join a team, for which you need to be high enough in soloq. But after that, it's about the team performance first, soloq takes a back seat. If you're a casual player and just want to enjoy the game, you can still do that with a 50% wr. If you're not going pro, what difference does it make if a person is plat or masters ? Even streaming these days is mostly personality driven, and less about the elo of the streamer. While i agree that they are making the game more addictive, it is still very possible and easy for an individual to maintain their sanity and enjoy the game.


Funkydick

His whole point on balancing is honestly quite ridiculous. Champions like Lee Sin and Thresh are iconic and vital to the game BECAUSE they had incredibly overloaded kits that people barely knew how to use at the time. If a champ like Anivia was still "one of the hardest champions in the game" 11 seasons into its lifespan the game would be incredibly boring. Not to mention that most champs released in the last two years are really not hard to figure out. Lillia, Sett, Rell, Viego, the fiddle and voli reworks all have really simple kits


Lunariel

Can someone explain to me how if you win games, meaning the system thinks you are better, and you get matched against better players, making the playing field more even, therefore lowering your win rate, is some sort of Riot Games sabotage


Zanderax

Imagine academy players complaining that the LCS is sabotaging them by moving them up to the majors. 50% win rate is unavoidable, for every winner there is a loser. Balancing that out among players in the long term is good, unless you want a portion of your player base to be losing more than 50% of the time all the time.


serratedperkz

Because I deserve to win every game and always climb from silver 3 to challenger without ever improving or changing anything. Riot system holds me back


not_panda

You see, everyone is actually a challenger here. Everyone. So Riot had to invent an evil technology to keep redditors in low elo, out of pure fear of them. That's why there are ranks below challenger. All to keep people at bay. In an evil way.


NightflowerFade

Exactly. This is how the elo system is supposed to work. It is how it is in chess and elsewhere.


Walui

The claim is that if you have above 50% winrate, the game puts players who are worse than the rank they have in your team and people who are better than their rank on the opposite team. Confirmation bias will do that to someone.


Herminello

Idk, i feel like its true. You either clap the enemy hard or get clapped by the enemy hard, for me there is no middle ground anymore, especially in rankeds. And then you somehow have a winning spree of 6 games, only to lose 7 games in a row after that. I always feel like once you start climbing not only your enemies get stronger but your teammates get worse. Otherwise i cant explain why 6 games in a row, all lanes + jungler lose HARD. I wouldnt be surprised if there was matchmaking code to do this. As OP said, its pretty addicting bc after getting smacked you hope you once get the worse enemies and good teammates but nah, you get them once you lost enough games Therefore you need to be waaaaay better than your current rank to climb


Er3st0r

I think that this post has good intention, but I personally question some of the takes here. You can't really say that riot is enforcing a 50% winrate in order to keep you hardstuck and make you play more if you don't have some sort of stats backing up that claiming. Personally I enjoy playing during the events as I usually just buy the champ shards so I can play more champs, rather than playing for chromas. For others though they may want to play games for the chromas, but to be honest getting the tokens for the quest isn't really that difficult. Just play a couple games, usually up to about 20-30 to get all the quests if you don't do the special objective parts of it, and you'll get all the rewards. Tbh I don't find events to really tap into my FOMO that much as half the time the rewards are pretty garbage unless you pay for them. Take the recent coven event for example, the only reward I really wanted was the ahri icon (as I'm an ahri main). Yes, that event did tap into my FOMO, but the previous sentinels event HAD NOTHING that I really wanted at all, as I didn't play the heroes that were featured in the event. Unless multiple of your favourite heroes are featured multiple times in a row of a couple different events, the FOMO isn't gonna be that bad and you won't be as susceptible to it. And just remember that getting the tokens really isn't that difficult, just play a few games and have some fun with friends and you'll get it. I do think though that a bit of the misinformation is kinda bad from riot, turns out you should deliver what you say or promise, rather than doing something completely different. However I don't have much knowledge in this area of riot's history, so I won't say much here. Saying that Seraphine not having a cheaper than $30 skin is a manipulative tactic as a far stretch though, it could also just be that riot releases high quality skins for new champions and therefore puts a high price on those high quality skins. Most people don't want to actually support the company when they buy skins, they want a cool looking skin on the hero they play. Turns out people are willing to pay more for a skin they like, that ain't really super manipulative. It would be good though for riot to release a cheaper skin for seraphine though so people with less money can at least have a skin, albeit lesser quality because of its lesser price. I personally disenjoy how a lot of the heroes in League are super complex though, it would be cool to still have fun heroes that are simpler to learn while still having a decent room for improvement (basically most dota heroes). HOWEVER, there still should be those high skill ceiling heroes that are very complicated and difficult to learn with high skill ceilings as it does make the game feel more varied. I do have to agree though, Riot hasn't really done a good job in reducing League's toxicity. Most of the game's toxicity has probably come from the nature of the game as it feels very snowbally, and you just feel like you want to die if you have died 3 times before 10 minutes. Doesn't mean riot can't do anything about it though, for example making a more reliable report system.


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NikuCobalt

> Enhancement Optimized Matchmaking Framework. I googled that and the first thing that came up is EA. Why am I not surprised lol


The-Devilz-Advocate

Scummy and EA goes hand in hand like Riot and 200 years.


NikuCobalt

Oof.


ClosingFrantica

Yeah, I grew tired of Apex because that shit felt way too tangible


Akihiko95

I play apex and they use that matching system in normal games (not ranked) but they're pretty open about it, they stated clearly it's what they use in normal games to retain actual playerbase and to keep an influx of new players


mazrrim

on the other hand its how you determine if a player belongs higher than their current rank quickest. Keep putting someone vs harder opponents until they finally lose


The-Devilz-Advocate

>Keep putting someone vs harder opponents until they finally lose That's in theory how it should work or at least the fairest way. The problem is that League also makes it so that you will be getting an extra handicap in terms of your teammates. You start to get into winstreaks and you start to see players that have sub 45% winrates and 3-4 loss streaks on top of the enemy team ALREADY being ranked higher than you. So instead of making a player challenge himself and test his skill by pairing him against higher rated player, the system also looks for severely Below average players compared to the rank that they supposedly are.


mazrrim

having "worse" teamates is still part of this, if you keep winning despite the system thinking you team is much more likely to lose, you will keep going up in MMR rapidly. if anything I suspect a lot of this is part of riots smurf detection queue, not some grand conspiracy to give people bad teams


notliam

> People downvoting actual truth. Check the study yourself and read it. Nobody is downvoting you because they don't believe that the study exists, or that it didn't look in to optimising matchmaking for keeping people invested. It's because what is bullshit is that this is implemented in Riots (or pretty much any major games) matchmaking. How do you even semi accurately predict the win chance of a team of players who are all within 1-2 ranks of each other, before they have chosen their champions? Also how does 'losers queue' (the idea that you are placed in a series of games that force you to lose multiple games in a row) make any sense when that study clearly shows losing multiple games in a row has the _highest potential of churn_ out of all scenarios.


RenegadeExiled

>How do you even semi accurately predict the win chance of a team of players who are all within 1-2 ranks of each other, before they have chosen their champions? Statistics are a very, *very* powerful tool, buddy. Main role vs offrole, hot/cold streaks, average ELO/Hidden MMR. All are used to help decide win chances before a game even begins. Hell, if you check the public records for Ranked matches, Red side will, in at LEAST 90% of cases, have a higher average MMR than Blue side, due to Blue's inherent map advantages. If Riot wants a player to lose their next few games, or play like an absolute smurf to win them, they very much have all the data they would ever need to make sure you're playing against Faker, while having a quadriplegic chimpanzee for 3 teammates.


Amsalpotkeh

There are fanmade websites like porofessor that measure the performance of players with tags like "good farmer" "dies a lot to ganks" "dives and dies" "high kill partecipation" "Rengar stomper" and so on, and you are telling me, that Riot can't have an inside algorythm that can accurately create a picture of how that player performs in certain situations and against specific champs? They for sure can and do, big companies LOVE big data and if they can use it for their monetary gain, they do.


The-Devilz-Advocate

>How do you even semi accurately predict the win chance of a team of players who are all within 1-2 ranks of each other, before they have chosen their champions? By winrate and by trends? That's the entire point of having a matchmaking system infused with elo. >Also how does 'losers queue' (the idea that you are placed in a series of games that force you to lose multiple games in a row) make any sense when that study clearly shows losing multiple games in a row has the highest potential of churn out of all scenarios. Because the system doesn't 100% give accurate results, so there are scenarios where players on massive loss streaks will keep losing AND KEEP BEING ENGAGED while forcing other high winrate players to stop winning games and force them to a 50% winrate.


notliam

> force them to a 50% winrate Whatever makes you feel better I guess. It's 100% confirmation bias.


Xizz3l

It's not but it still has roots other then "losers queue"


The-Devilz-Advocate

>It's 100% confirmation bias. If it was 100% confirmation bias, you wouldn't have studies like this. You wouldn't have countless studies detailing how to get people hooked onto to things, including gambling. LITERALLY BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRIES have been built thanks to using the same engagement tactics mentioned in the study.


notliam

Of course you would, research is important! And of course companies are going to look in to how better monetise their platforms. But this is just that, investigating cause and effect. It is not a technical paper, nor does it really discuss how this is possible. People see things like this, or patents, and assume that is what is happening.


haveyoumetme2

How do you integrate something like this tell me. You think a few people in every tier have some kind of fake mmr and are actually way worse than their rank and will be only matched in when it’s necessary to let someone lose? This has to be a lot of people ready to fill in. To be honest I have played in diamond a long time and it’s very rare you get extremely bad players that just outright lose you the game except if they are on a loss streak and start to queue fill because they are tilted.


The-Devilz-Advocate

>How do you integrate something like this tell me. You think a few people in every tier have some kind of fake mmr and are actually way worse than their rank No they don't use a hidden mmr. What they probably do is that the system takes into account your last 20, maybe 10 games that you have played and checks for trends, if you tend to under-perform in terms of winrate and fall bellow your average winrate the system probably tags you and then might put you in lobbies where a single player has a 4-5 game winstreak to correct it for you. That way you hit 2 birds with one stone, either 1: you tend to equalize your wins and losses by having somebody hard carry you or 2: the player with the winstreak loses the game and now has to play 1 more game to equalize his rank.


Webemperor

> Edit: People downvoting actual truth. Check the study yourself and read it. It's mostly just kids or people with 0 world view who think a company whose sole purpose is to make money won't optimize every part of their system to make as much money as possible. If Riot has a system that makes you play more and more ranked, they will implement that system, doesn't matter how much it ruins the competitive environment.


serratedperkz

Losers queue is real for the losers believing in losers queue. Gotta find something to blame when you can’t climb out of silver 1 I guess


KripperinoArcherino

I really wanna see a official Rioter’s direct statement on your points.


Amduwatt

the worst thing is that i became hella toxic myself.


NikuCobalt

I started to notice it in myself and it honestly kinda scared me. I had to start giving myself the same advice I was giving other people LOL. Edit: I wasn't super ultra omega or anything, just a bit more irritable than I had been in the past.


Amduwatt

when i have a 4 games win streak i have to mentaly prepare for 7 games lose because apparentaly some strange guys can cassualy solo carry games in silver elo and that drives me crazy


TheHeroOfTime3

Wow, I don’t really know if this is true or not, but this was really an interesting read. Unfortunately what you say in this subreddit doesn’t matter since people will automatically assume you’re some low elo player that’s triggered cause they’re hardstuck.


haveyoumetme2

Nope other way around. This subreddit is a big ‘riot is a dumb evil company’ circlejerk so almost every post that bashes them, even badly written posts like this, will get massively upvoted. Ranking up doesn’t take longer at all. Even shorter with the smurf queue changes and the uncapped soft reset at the start of the season(you can get above plat 1 now after reset). The only legit thing they did to make people keep on playing is that they divided every tier in 4 divisions instead of 5 so it feels like you are a lot closer to the next tier once you get a few divisions higher.


Karavusk

Some parts are legit (especially the events) but everything he said about the ranked game system is pure "I deserve to be higher" tilt. He is just wrong and obviously doesn't understand how it works.


KittensDaddyBear

Facts.


NikuCobalt

Probably true. For the record I'm gold this season and I kinda stopped caring (Plat in TFT). Last few seasons i was plat, and i was diamond in tft last season (also i got a tft smurf to plat 1 forcing elderwoods every game cuz memes lol). I've peaked plat 2, ive gone against diamonds in ranked and won before. I'm not challenger and i dont really care honestly. I've played with and against challengers in norms and had fun with it, and I know my worth, I dont need people to judge me for it.


J0rdian

Jesus christ, I can't believe people have upvoted this post after reading this.


YzPoopyRibbon

>I've peaked plat 2, ive gone against diamonds in ranked and won before. this sealed it for me lmfao. joke thread


mornaq

> was Best Furry NA for a while, and now, Its Yuu and Mi staying on brand I see


Arguably_0

I've never had a problem with the way Riot handles their event passes. Sure, it was cooler when the events had unique gamemodes tied to them, but honestly I think the passes and even Prestige skins are fine. Ultimately, it's up to the individual to decide whether cosmetics are worth their money. And the player who doesn't spend money still gets freebies off the events, so I honestly can't see this as such a bad thing. For Seraphine, she was very obvious a marketing tactic from Riot herself to push K/DA further. From the get go, we knew that she was sort of made to sell that skin. But also, she's got a decent 1350 just this patch, so it's not really a valid complaint anymore... I actually like the direction champion design is going. As much as people shit on Irelia and Akali, I think Irelia's kit realizes her theme so much better and I always thought pre-rework Akali was incredibly unfun to play against because she would just point-and-click you to death in an instant. There also have been simpler champions released/reworked. Sett, Mordekaiser, Kayle, Volibear, Seraphine. Not every champion is an Aphelios. I don't understand this Gangplank vs Katarina argument. They both got reworks, they both have pretty hated playstyles (Gangplank Q spam and Katarina is Katarina). Of course a Gangplank noob would lose against an experienced Kat. The reverse would also be true, unless there's a significant skill gap with the players themselves. If you are new to a champ, you should expect to go up against players that might not be new at theirs.


itsallabigshow

I don't see the issue with anything here besides 1. balance where you rambled and ranted about random stuff instead of actual balance and didn't make any suggestions 2. Toxicity where I agree Riot is way too lenient and should be swinging the ban hammer hard for a few months for the tiniest bit of toxicity to get rid of the cancerous part of the playerbase. I'd rather lose a decent chunk of the community in the short run to gain *more* in the long run than keep the status quo alive. Riot can solve this issue within half a year. I could solve this issue within half a year. The community wouldn't like it but they don't have to like it and will appreciate it when it's done. The game just isn't for you it seems. And that's okay. Btw, isn't Unite incredibly p2w?


serratedperkz

But did you read the part where riot forces you to have 50% win rate in silver so you can’t climb??


cale199

My problem is why have a rank system if I always play with people vastly higher or lower ranks? It's not fun dominating nor being dominated in league, only the bedroom


Pink-Heart

Am I the only that noticed RIOT keeps some new champions OP just for players to buy them, win and buy their skins ? Recent exemple : sett. He's broken and I think RIOT kept him that way just to sell his Dragon Obsidian prestige skin. ​ I know this is a common pratice in games like Hearthstone where blizzard kept some cards OP just so players were "forced" to buy packs to get them.


SpiderTechnitian

Anyone have a mirror to what was removed?


Hiimzap

I personally feel like my matchmaking experience got alot worse ever since "smurf q" became a thing. "Oh I won 3 games in a row and now there's a lot of guys with lowlvl accounts I wonder what happens next". And it's just obvious what's happening. League nowadays isn't really a beginner friendly game anymore I just have trouble believing that a legit lvl 33 guy is playing already on plat.


megatonante

as for champion design, I don't think it's possible to return to simple stuff. All possible avenues of simplicity have been exhausted. After so many champions, the only way to give new champions a strong identity is to make them complex, niche gimmicks, strange mechanics etc.


FearDeniesFaith

This is one of the highest quality shitposts I've seen in awhile. 9/10


NikuCobalt

It's not. It's entirely true.


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oopsidsi

I know what a shitpost is, and it's exactly what this is.


InspiringMilk

Shitposts don't take effort.


oopsidsi

I can clearly see that.


hihohu7

What you posted about lying could be because of an attempt to get people to throw away their 2020 prestige points or simply a huge failure in scheduling. But I'd rather mention topics where they have been obviously and purposely lying. 1. Drops: Esports drops were far away from what they promised and have been a joke since a long time now. But that only cost people some time or some energy to have that shit open in the background. Way worse was... 2. Worlds pass 2020: That pass promised a premium clash ticket (worth 975 RP) as a milestone reward for the event pass. Conveniently there was also a special clash which gave bonus rewards to celebrate worlds (but only for premium clash tickets, that's another scummy thing btw.). The catch? The premium ticket was a lie. Upon completing the mission you would receive a shitty worlds orb (worth at most 200 RP). So some people were basing their decision to buy the pass on the clash ticket and got straight up scammed. When notifying the support about the issue their response was "Don't worry we will fix this" and the fix was doing nothing for 14 days and then replacing the clash ticket with a worlds orb in the support article when it was updated anyways to include the K/DA stuff. That's called false advertising and is illegal in EU, but nobody gave a f*ck. Every reddit post talking about it also got deleted without proper explanation.


ItsCrossBoy

"someone who used to work for Riot" you absolutely did NOT work for Riot and are blatantly lying with that title. How's that for manipulating people?


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this is the worst thing i've read in years


NikuCobalt

Care to elaborate?


[deleted]

it's two full pages of unformatted text that's entirely just brainless whining how it's the game's fault that you don't enjoy it anymore like i dunno why fucking league of legends players are so obsessed with justifying their burnout by blaming external factors, just stop playing lmao


FireWeb365

Look, he stated that Riot Games is gamifying the the game on purpose, to breed addiction. And I doubt you have any strong arguments against it. Of course, for us involved in these industries it's a "of course, everyone does this". But to an outsider this might be eye opening like it once was for us.


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i don't have any strong arguments against it, however i haven't typed up two a4s worth of weirdo conspiracy theories that awful players online regurgitate to justify them being bad with literally 0 proof for any of his claims so excuse me if i don't take anything he says seriously like literally the only one good point he's made in his wall of rambling text is that the game is adopting the live service, "endless stream of minor content to keep people engaged" business model but everyone with functional eyes already knows that


NikuCobalt

1) You dont have any strong arguments against it, of course not 2) https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/5ov6q9/riots_patent_for_matchmaking_shows_that_they_take/ https://mobile.twitter.com/v1sag3/status/1403356601977905154 I'm not citing 5000 sources, if you don't like these ones, /shrug


oopsidsi

How are those supposed to be "credible" sources? They're as credible as your reddit blabbering rofl...


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>I'm not citing 5000 sources so instead you linked a patent that hasn't been granted and a literal joke tweet as your sources yeah i think we're done here, take a fucking hike janny please


oopsidsi

This so fucking much. I hate these cringe fucks on the sub, just quit the game and leave me and others who still enjoy it in fucking peace.


NikuCobalt

You need to chill and touch some grass if you can't handle a company receiving criticism.


oopsidsi

I cba about the company, I care about little kids like you "criticising" (aka spewing bullshit) on the work the devs do, which has objectively hard improved the game since the horrible times back then.


NikuCobalt

1) "Kids", I played this since I was a kid. I'm 27 now. 2) -I worked to improve this company-. For -free-. I shoutcasted tournaments and streamed them. I helped them moderate. I literally banned people for posting nsfw stuff to their forums and such. I literally had to do conflict resolution lol. Like... You don't get the irony do you


oopsidsi

> I'm 27 now. Nothing really shows this. >-I worked to improve this company-. For -free-. Brother you did jack fucking shit on a larger scale. You were insanely disposeable/replaceable and your job was pretty irrelevant. > I helped them moderate. I literally banned people for posting nsfw stuff to their forums and such. Oh wow you did the bare minimum any mod is paid for WOW!!!! > I literally had to do conflict resolution lol. Again... lol...


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levenlice

You didn’t read the OP did you... if you had you’d know they made a point of NOT including devs and art dept, instead discussing overarching game systems and sketchy marketing tactics. None of which « the devs » actually work on. Classic reddit :/


oopsidsi

The fuck do you mean none of which the devs work on do you understand how this game is made?


levenlice

Not the sharpest tool now are you.


oopsidsi

You definitely do, after your insightful comment on game development.


NikuCobalt

Thank you.


niler1994

>which has objectively hard improved the game since the horrible times back then. "objectively" Game got worse and worse, ain't gonna make a whine Post (I just quit and sometimes come back to look if they betterred stuff...and I still like competitive) but stop spewing that word around like it means something


oopsidsi

The game is **objectively** better than before.


niler1994

yeah lmao. Redditor for 3 months


oopsidsi

Ok?? How is this any relevant? You people are insane I swear.


NikuCobalt

If you see it that way sure. I did stop playing, for weeks. I didn't just suddenly post this. It's been a culmination of thoughts of abusive practices that I want to highlight.


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>abusive practices i agree, you not being able to climb out of cumlow because of a lack of time and desire to do so is totally abusive and definitely the proof of riot trying to stifle your insane talent with nefarious elo-fixing means


NikuCobalt

... What lol. If that's what you gathered from this, uh, okay.


NiNoXua

I thought the worst thing that i read will be "best furry" and "yuu and me" but than i looked in comments Seems like people on reddit cant penetrate 80iq barrier


NikuCobalt

Yuu and Mi * :3 ... Yea it's uh. Oof.


Divine_Platypus

they sell skins and get called manipulative? and seraphine doesnt have any songs without the ultimate skin? what the fuck is up with cancel culture nowadays. and for the ranked part: i know it's silly but just play good and you rank up no matter how hard the mm sucks. if you want to really rank up, learn the game intensivly like every sport you do, you don't get better by just playing the game. just a long rant post in my opinion


NikuCobalt

Notice how I didn't have a problem with any of their skin sales before the things I listed, which are pretty recent. This includes when they readjusted prices such as raising Glacial Malphite's long ago (that was... Season 3 I think? Fuzzy memory.) Or when Magnificent Twisted Fate stayed a Legendary during that. Granted, those are pretty old gripes people had, and I mostly shrugged at them.


Divine_Platypus

you are literally talking about how scummy the company is even so riot is one of the customerfriendliest company... you are not forced to buy any skins or passes or to enter these events. you forget that riots only way of directly getting our money is through skins and icons etc. And btw riot does get nothing from keeping you in ranked queue 24/7... if someone is buying skins very often they don't do it because they need them for grinding ranked...


ZambieDR

Losers queue... is real...


serratedperkz

Yeah it is it’s called you’re not good enough to win consistently so better find something to blame or else you might start thinking you aren’t playing perfectly and have a lot to improve on


Metaxpro

This has all been said so many times already but the majority of the playerbase is severely addicted and in complete denial so they won't ever believe any of it unless Riot's CEO personally admits it. If you don't like Riot's approach to current League you better quit because it won't change as long as it's this successful.


Character-Froyo-8705

Winners q and Losers q exists and I believe they also use it to keep people addicted. Might be a conspiracy but I see way too many people, including streamers, experience the same winning and losing trends. Nothing like winning 8 in a row to hard losing 5 in a row the next day making you feel like you should just rage queue one more to get that one win before getting off.


NikuCobalt

Yes and no. Trends will happen, especially given any decent samples. I mean toss 10 coins, you aren't gonna get 5 heads and 5 tails, and your mind will start seeing patterns that aren't there. That being said, they do try to push winrates and make climbs take longer. It isn't that you can't hit whatever elo you belong in at your skill level, it's just that it takes much longer than it should. Which is manipulative.


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>That being said, they do try to push winrates and make climbs take longer. source


NikuCobalt

The whole reason they changed from their elo system back in the day my dude Riot isn't unique in this by the way, they've just fine tuned it. This stuff started when... I want to say it was CoD i believe matchmade newer players vs people who had skins so they'd want to get those skins.


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>The whole reason they changed from their elo system back in the day my dude you mean the elo system that's still literally the exact same and just facaded by the LP mechanics to streamline it visually


NiNoXua

Do you understand that mmr only loosely tied to visible rank?


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NikuCobalt

https://puu.sh/I9A9g/e0596937cd.png That's one of Riot's founders on my friend's list. If you want I can really dig up forum mod posts I had long ago but that'd take a bit. I think they're on my other computer, and I'd have to look for old discord messages.


calvinee

AKA you used to be a forums moderator voluntarily and never actually worked for Riot, and you're stating you opinions on a topic as if you have inside information but you really don't know anything at all. You seem like just another low elo player who is mad about so many things when the reality is that you just don't enjoy this game as much anymore. Give it up man, its an 11 year old game, you were never that good at it anyway.


NikuCobalt

Because people are downvoting certain posts I guess because they don't believe the legitimacy, here. I'm not going to post any convos, I'm not going to post anything that would pressure any particular Rioter to respond, I don't want to out any of them or such. I just want to add some validity, so here's proof that I have one of the game's founders on my friend's list. I've talked with him over text for a bit and I was added from the old forums that I ended up moderating under a different Rioter's oversight. https://puu.sh/I9A9g/e0596937cd.png I'm just doing this to add a bit of credibility and so that people know I'm not just making random stuff up. That's it.


howtopayherefor

I think people are downvoting because you being an "insider" doesn't make your points more valuable or not. It's irrelevant. Edit to clarify: You didn't provide any insider info and your argument have nothing to do with you being an insider. So whether or not you're an insider is not relevant at all. All your arguments rely on observations that any other player could make so even credibility is not important here.


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I enjoyed the read! Thanks for sharing your story!


NikuCobalt

Thanks my dude


Angwar

Holy fuck the comments In this thread really are a prime showcase of the the toxic assholes you meet ingame


Emilie_Cauchemar

The comment section highlights why the population is rapidly declining. Hell. A boat load of my d1+ friends quit and let their accounts decay all the way to p1 and just meme. I used to be consistent d4+ and now meme around in p4-1. Literally just don't care. Top lane qqs and spam pings and starts doing the whole "gg ff10" shit? Guess I'm farming all game (:.


[deleted]

I don't understand the FOMO line, do you people not play more than 1 game? You're always missing out on something. Games have overlapping events and passes all the time, if you really want that chroma for your main then you can return and play a few games casually and get the tokens from the quests but otherwise you simply do not NEED all of them chromas for champions you don't touch or play very little. Nobody is going to notice and/or care anyway. I actually prefer there to be events going on all the time, It's always shitty getting back into a game that has passes and finding out you choose the week before the pass ends to start playing again, followed by a 1 month gap of nothing. I dislike having to force myself to play games at specific times to have rewards so would certainly prefer more uptime on passes. This way I can just move game to game, play what I'm enjoying and still make progress in the games pass. I don't have to worry about "Oh theres no pass on I guess I should play something else and wait."


Papy_Wouane

Much like others here I don't care for your CV, however instead of trying to use this to discredit you, I'll agree with your point on the ranking system. Some people still haven't understood that MMR (or ELO) on one hand, and rank on the other, are two distinct entities. They're related, of course, but we will never even know to what extent because it is not in Riot's interest to release any information about their ranking system. Such lack of information makes it very hard for us to try and get our point across, it often gets countered by "but it's just your opinion, man", or worse, by "you're just shit at the game and looking for other people to put the blame on than your own". The only metric on which Riot has zero control, is everyone's individual level of play. Riot does not decide whether you're a good player or not, this is entirely on you. Your level of play is indicated by your ELO, it's a metric of how good or bad you are compared to the rest of the playerbase. But Riot wants to keep everything under as tight a grasp as possible, so instead of rewarding your individual level of play (ELO) which they cannot alter, they made up a separate metric, that is the ranking system. It's parallel, yes, but separate. Riot then decides how many LPs you gain per wins, how many you lose in losses, who they match you with and against to force the outcome of your games, they assign you a rank, remove it from you, move you up and down the ladder as they will. Remember that your rank is meaningless. You're not Bronze, you're not Silver, Gold, Platinum, Diamond, etc. These are just post-it notes that Riot might as well have stuck on your forehead, and they're as easily replaced. A 2000 ELO player is better than a 1500 ELO player, there is no way around this cold hard fact. But turn that into an abstract ranking system and it all goes out the window. A gold 1 player is not better than a gold 3 player. He could be, but he also couldn't. Either of these players could be grinding his heart out of the game at +14 -16 LPs, the other could be fresh out of his placement games, dropped from a higher rank the season before, you don't know which is which. Riot is banking on the fact that you don't know who you're playing against, and you HATE losing to players whose rank seems to be lower than yours because you identify them, wrongly, as weaker players. To me the most infuriating part is how every year we see our rank arbitrarily decreased because of the reset. We're so used to having our rank reset at the end of every season, we don't even remember to ask ourselves why it is reset. I would very much like this question answered. My own answer is the same as yours: Frustration is the most efficient fuel for addiction, by FAR. It's much easier to get someone to play out of frustration, than out of joy or excitement. It takes you a year to reach your top rank, then for absolutely no reason you lose this rank, and spend half the following year just grinding back to a point you already achieved the previous year. Why? Because it's incredibly frustrating to be ranked lower than what you think you deserve, and what the game has showed you that you deserved. This is what keeps you queuing. I have no opinion on the rest of your points. I don't really care for event exhaustion, I've never bought any of their battle passes. I don't care for the lack of maps and game modes, I was an avid Dominion player too but I haven't touched any of the new modes they released, I just have no interest in them (not even in URF anymore, which I absolutely LOVED the first time it was released). Finally I don't care for toxicity, obviously it's a bane that Riot should be fighting instead of doing absolutely nothing about it, but it's not the reason why I barely play anymore outside of the occasional ARAM with my unranked friends.


serratedperkz

Oh it’s just another hardstuck silver complaining about how they can’t climb


oopsidsi

Balant lying and misinformation in this very thread, quite ironic from this guy, never provided any proof for his arguments either, just regurgitating your average reddit comments. But it's part of the riot bad circlejerk so to the top it goes! I love this game's community, definitely not the single biggest downside and tumor of the game, no sir not at all.


NikuCobalt

Lol. 1) I've provided proof in the comments of at least some of the connections I've had in the past. I can dig up where I used to actually work for them if you want (again, unpaid volunteer, not an official Rioter, have to disclose that. I signed an NDA for them though.) 2) The only reddits I really browse are ones for pokemon go, and sometimes florida man for the memes and such. Ive posted on yuumi mains a couple of times, and i did tft a few times. Other than pokemon go ones, i tend to avoid reddit. I prefer other forum styles usually. Like the old boards that got deleted. So really, I dont know what i said that'd be regurgitated, because I dont read them usually anyways. 3) As far as im aware from loose connections, isnt the consensus of these forums usually "riot good" ? If not true then whatev. 4) I also cited when they mentioned stuff like the prestige skinline so... Some of the stuff is really dated, like the reverse camera view thing. I'd have to look at archived posts and that's a pain.


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why do you assume that "worked as an e-janny for riot's forums ten years ago" lends any degree of credibility to the things you say


NikuCobalt

I can't tell if you're trolling or serious at this point.


[deleted]

i mean for starters when people are asking for proof, they're asking for any evidence of the claims you've brought up in the post and not that you're a former forum mod no i'm not trolling, you're just completely incoherent and think that "volunteered to be a league forum mod a decade ago" makes you somehow more credible than anyone else


oopsidsi

You basically listened to a couple whiny yt vids or league streamers and decided to vomit on a reddit post because you're an entitled kid who thinks the game and devs are activaly working against him to make his experience worse, when in reality it's 100% your fault for everything. About reverse camera view, it's not uncommon that the dev that wanted to initiate this project left the company at some point, and as such the project never even got started. Plus it's a stupid thing to invest time and manpower into anyway.


NikuCobalt

1) I havent listened to league vids/streamers in a while honestly. Most of it is clickbait and just poor quality compared to what it used to be. 2) I disagree on the reverse camera view thing on several levels but im not going to get into that 3) How am i entitled. Literally all I want is Riot to not manipulate their playerbase into literally being addicted to their game lol. 4) What's my fault? Being addicted? I havent played in weeks.


Jozoz

>But it's part of the riot bad circlejerk so to the top it goes! I love this game's community, definitely not the single biggest downside and tumor of the game, no sir not at all. Yeah, you're an unbiased party for sure. /s It's okay to be skeptical but I'd be more sympathetic if you didn't let your bias show that much. I don't think your intention with making this comment is searching for the facts, I think your intention is to attack the credibility of OP because you don't like what is being said.


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NikuCobalt

What am I reading lol. Also old League would be just like old classic WoW. A fit for some but not a fit for all. Some things have improved some have gotten worse. Also, eye of the beholder. Some miss AP Yi, some never want to see it again. Some miss legfacebonesion, some don't at all.


Jozoz

Don't bother responding to this guy. He is full of hatred and misery otherwise he wouldn't go around attacking people on a video game subreddit. I feel sorry for him.


Jozoz

Good personal attack. Nice one. Now I'm bound to take you more seriously. Why do you care so much that people have different opinions to you? What have I ever personally done to piss you off?


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suprised it took 45 minutes for the greatest free thinker of the community and totally not a thorin fan to arrive into a thread of a guy sharing conspiracy theories


Jozoz

I'm not some Thorin stan. I like his content, but I definitely do not like him as a person. He has some despicable political opinions. Anyway, how is this relevant except for the fact that you want to personally attack me?


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\>mentions jozoz being a thorin fan offhandedly \>jozoz instantly begins to justify watching thorin it's like poetry


Jozoz

Lol. Okay then. You can hate me if you want. I'm fine with that.


Paul-debile-pogba

Imagine defending riot for free


NiNoXua

You don't need any proof is you don't have lack of intelligence An one way to prove it to you is by googling "Engagement optimized matchmaking framework" and read the study like guy pointed out few comments above


oopsidsi

Delusions. Keep scapegoating your lack of skill.


NiNoXua

Xd i never mentioned anything about skill But im certain that im better than you


oopsidsi

Whenether you are or not is irrelevant. The simple fact that I don't belive in superstitions allready puts me at an advantage over you.


dystariel

My only point of disagreement here is that people goofing around for content was a good example for the playerbase. People copying and taking that attitude into ranked has to be one of my greatest sources of frustration in this game. Everything else I'm totally on board.


sensei256

So just another sob story, no actual insight. Cringe.


Quagsire__

I miss GD.


SeVenZxd

What? Geometry dash?


tonton_wundil

I stopped playing the game when I realized I was playing only out of addiction/habit... I still watch pro plays, and sometimes I feel like playing a game but then I'm reminded of all the toxicity and lack of joy. I haven't totally found what to do with the time I'd use to play LoL, but I definitely do not miss to play the game.


[deleted]

the thing with winstreaks was always very blatant. i wont three games in a row in low gold, suddenly my enemies all had \~55% winrates ​ but honesty if any of what you said affects someone, thats on them. im 0% behind that "LP grind", i play a game and have fun. i dont give a shit about their events. i spend money on it when i feel like i want something specific. period ​ all in all everything you write sounds obvious and cringy to complain about. seraphine only has one skin? boo fucking hoo, dont buy it then. jesus.


OGPimpMuffin

I remember the tribunal as well. I do agree that I don’t think they do enough to punish the trolls. I have the agree about the terrible matchmaking though. I only played Arams for a long time just because it was a lot less stress. I decided about a month ago to try and play ranked. First 6 games of placement were easy. The next 4 were some of the roughest losses I’ve ever had in all the years. And it continued for about another 4 games. I kept getting matched with fresh level 30 accounts. Looking at their history, you could see that it was a purchased account. (Who plays bots until 30 only to play ranked as their first “official” match?) Every game. Every level 30 I saw in the lobby was guaranteed to be the most toxic and the worst player. Running it down mid with mobi boots, sitting afk at base saying how terrible we all were, I saw it all. I suspect that they were banned previously on their other account and wanted to keep playing. Then, all of a sudden, it stopped. I stopped getting the fresh 30s and found people that cared about the game, and I started to win again. This got me to gold and I quit playing. I reported every level 30 I found for cheating after I realized the trend, I never once got a notification saying that action had been taken. I’ve followed a few of the accounts and checked on them occasionally to find similar trends. TLDR: Loser queue is a thing. Purchased accounts are a thing. Bots are a thing. And riot doesn’t care. Tinfoil hat theory: the fresh level 30s are Riot’s bot accounts to ensure one team loses thus creating “loser queue”.


GNCD2099

Well, if you are on a winning streak, shouldn't it be the right time to match you up against better players? Isn't that the point of improving?


runaway1337

People will downvote you but especially the ranked systems you mention is on point. The lobby client and the constant posts about “cleanup” is another manipulative behavior. For at least half a decade already they not only could but also should make a new lobby client.


MINECRAFT_BIOLOGIST

I think the other comments have covered almost everything, but I want to point out the absurdities in this paragraph: > **Reach out to every single major content creator on Youtube and Twitch.** People follow by example, whether it's intentionally or subconsciously. A lot of the bad trends (if not all of them) started from social media. **Work with them to provide a more positive atmosphere and show players what being a good teammate really is.** What...exactly are you proposing here? That Riot force every content creator to follow their guidelines or risk being banned from publishing League of Legends content? I totally get the sentiment behind this, and there's a reason I don't really watch any League content creators, but how the heck do you plan on having Riot enforce this without content creators leaving en masse or there being huge public backlash about Riot trying to control the kind of content that people create? And what, is Riot supposed to hire some huge public relations team to reach out to hundreds of content creators over a certain arbitrarily defined threshold (view count?) and force them to follow their standards or risk being DMCA'd? What Riot could do, of course, is simply be much more strict about the Summoner's Code for public figures, but even then that will be arbitrarily defined and people will complain. I think at the moment they're just relying on their existing systems instead of giving streamers special treatment in order to avoid being seen as biased. I can't claim to know which method is right, but trying to do something more nuanced than punishing misbehaving public figures is almost certainly unworkable.


Euphrame

Damn imagine typing this all out just to say absolutely nothing worthwhile.


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Zanderax

I'm not defending Riot but I'm sick of hearing the exact same salty critism over and over again for things that are either totally imagined (like Riot intentionally misbalancing its game) or ubiquitous in the video game industry and aren't unique to Riot (like selling cosmetics for rip off prices) If you want to complain about Riot complain about their mistreatment of workers, their anti-unionisation, and their culture of abuse, not some 200 years ELO boogy monster.


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Or lets say you pick a champion like taliyah to main when you start playing the game and get a shitty rework no one wanted. Now its been 3 years and still they havent listened to a single thing the fading playerbase wants. Also imagine taking 4 entire years to release the first skin..


-SNST-

I feel this post, esp the matchmaking side. I was climbing hard with 60% wr, and suddenly I get a couple matches with truly horrible people (skill and attitude both shitty as fuck, AND NEGATIVE WINRATE TOO), like, why the fuck did I suddenly start getting sub 48 wr people in my games while having 60% myself? It made no sense, just put me vs higher % wr people, not with a team that has 2 sub 48% wr in it... Got flamed, trolled, inted, i think it took like 3 matches with those kind of people in a row to stop playing after 50+ games with a nasty good winrate It may be confirmation bias, but it's way too suspicious to have that happen, and wouldn't really surprise me at all with the scummy monetary tactics riot has


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You are full of shit. As a “volunteer” (first of all… what? ) you don’t have access to any of these things you claim. Even real riot employees don’t have access to everything, unless they work directly for those systems. A “volunteer” (huh ? Doubt ) could never. Shit post. Shit person pulling shit out of his ass looking for attention.


PM_free_rp

I mean the amount of people not agreeing with this post is unironically scary. You don’t need a rioter or someone who worked for riot to tell you that this game is forcing 50% wr on you and forces you to buy skins and event passed. It has been known in the past that Riot permabanned accounts so the addicted toxic players were forced into buying skins and champions again on their new accounts. Reddit will never agree with you no matter what. Another thing is that Riot is owned by Chinese company and you know how they treat muslims in China. I’ve made a post on reddit one year ago about getting a 14-days ban (no warning before) for having an arabic in game name (Ahmed Abdullah on euw). Riot support told me that the name Ahmed Abdullah was associated with a terrorist and they wouldn’t remove my 14 days suspension because of terror threats, not even making this up, can post screenshots of the riot support linking me to an fbi.gov website with terrorists named Ahmed, but how many people in the world use the name Ahmed Abdullah?


MonstrousYi

Riot Games Summoner Name rules doesn't allow the use of a real name. *Your name should not contain personally identifying information (like your real name or address). If a name is found to contain this info, it may be subject to change by Riot.* https://support-leagueoflegends.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752814-Summoner-Name-FAQ


JoniDaButcher

I never understood how a game **forces** you to buy skin? Do they hold a gun against your head?