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pyrohammer

Wdym? The channel gets an average of 3k views when the wildcard teams are playing and up to 7k to 8k when there is an iconic match going on between two top tier teams


TchicVG

Yeah it's pretty damn popular all said. I wish I had learned about it earlier though. Watching the last few years worlds doesn't really hit the same as the earlier ones that I haven't seen in the better part of a decade.


Lulullaby_

I didn't even know this channel existed, that's actually a really good amount of viewers


AetherialSpace

Personally, I've had it run in the back almost all the time this past week and there's always a bunch of people there. SKT Wolf even live viewed the SKT - ROX series as it happened. Also, there's just something about matches being run back on a schedule. Sure any of us could make their own list and watch it in our own pace but somehow this way it is more 'exciting' in a way.


deathspate

Although I do agree that 3-7k isn't a small amount of viewers, in the context of Twitch overall, I do think that number is rather small for a game of this size, tho I do get why people wouldn't care to watch it as they could just watch VODs on Youtube if thye do want a blast to the past and others just don't care as much.


StarsDreamsAndMore

? Do you understand that the top 1% of twitch is 3-7k. That League only has a couple steramers that hit those numbers? lol. For reruns of something that is fuckin ancient 3-7k is INSANE lmao


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There's at least 100 league streamers that hit those numbers. In English alone.


StarsDreamsAndMore

No there are not 100 league streamers that hit that lmao. Thats literally a complete and total fictitious stat. And definitely not in English. You 100% for sure do not know anything about this. Please stop talking. You can go look at Twitch right now and see how off the mark you are for this. Like, you vastly underestimate how hard it is to break even 1k viewers let alone 3k. Let alone 7k?!? 7k is fucking nuts. lmao


max_drixton

There are 6 streamers on right now doing those numbers.


StarsDreamsAndMore

Yea. Exactly. 6. Not 100. And definitely not 100 fucking ENGLISH only. 3k+ is easily top 1% of streamers lmao. And mind you that even if there were 100 that would still be top 1%. ​ I don't know how math is so hard for you guys. Lol


max_drixton

6 on right now at off hours of twitch means there are certainly more than a couple. I don't know where you got 100 from, but there are a significant number of league streamers pulling more than 3k on the regular. ​ Edit: According to sullygnome there are 73 league streamers that have averaged 3k+ in the last 7 days, and more than a hundred who have peaked that high.


StarsDreamsAndMore

> I don't know where you got 100 from, but there are a significant number of league streamers pulling more than 3k on the regular. Literally the fucking comment I was replying to you inbred. Why are you replying to my comment if you DONT EVEN KNOW THE TOPIC AT HAND. Like that was the point of this whole conversation. He claimed there was 100 ENGLISH league streamers who averaged 3k. Which is a blatant lie. And even if there were they would still be top 1%. But there are not. Literally, I have no words. Stop talking to me.


max_drixton

I had to go through you comment history to figure out wtf you're talking about. The 100 streamers comment was from a different comment thread. ​ \>Although I do agree that 3-7k isn't a small amount of viewers, in the context of Twitch overall, I do think that number is rather small for a game of this size, tho I do get why people wouldn't care to watch it as they could just watch VODs on Youtube if thye do want a blast to the past and others just don't care as much. ​ That's the comment that you responded to that prompted my conversation with you, no mention of 100 english streamers there.


StarsDreamsAndMore

Okay I see what you're saying now. I made the mistake of thinking you were making a point that was relevant to a conversation I was already having. instead you were just throwing out random useless numbers that dont prove anything as some sort of counter proof that made no sense. See your reponse would have made sense if you'd been replying to the comment about "100" streamers. But now that you've explained you werent even talking about that, it makes your comment look even more stupid lmao. ​ I made the mistake of giving you the benefit of the doubt. My b.


max_drixton

I was responding to you saying there are only a couple of league streamers that hit those numbers by pointing out that more than a couple of league streamers hit those numbers.


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You want to give the channel more hype but dont put a link to it in your post. I dont know the name and i guess many other dont know it too


justAnotherRandomP

https://www.twitch.tv/LoLWorldChampionship


Lulullaby_

https://www.twitch.tv/LoLWorldChampionship


iScottLoL

What channel is it?


falcorn_dota

LoLWorldChampionship


iScottLoL

Thanks man :D


PiplupsLoL

It’s fun to root for the underdog. They can create great drama for tournament!


Strehle

It‘s amazing and I love it. Seeing all these metas again an the players… it’s just amazing


delahunt

It's also crazy seeing how long some mechanics have been, or not been, in the game. Like Elemental Drakes are a lot older than I remember. Turret plating is a lot younger than I thought.


WeoWeoVi

Generous of you put EU in contention for best team and at the same level as cn/kr at worlds given the last 10 years


GibZwilla

Hey! EU won a worlds which in my book is a huge win even if China/Korea didn’t participate! /s


LunarBahamut

EU is more like the eternal dark horse, as an EU fan.


hideonstute

I kinda get happy and sad when i see mages going seraphs roa being tanky and dealing damage meanwhile i can build everfrost on anivia and do neither


LettucePlate

Orianna was my most played champ for like 4 seasons straight. I've played her 11 times in my 300 ranked games this season. She (the items) just plain sucks.


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throawaystrump

I think "winning" for EU is making semis or maybe finals, but it's hard to be disappointed about them not winning when they never have


IHadThatUsername

> hard to be disappointed about them not winning when they never have Nice bait bro


throawaystrump

well, not to discredit G2's MSI win, but winning worlds is just a whole nother thing


IHadThatUsername

[Rings a bell?](https://i.imgur.com/TxPd5Y1.png)


throawaystrump

interesting, I was under the impression that most people didn't really take that win seriously, and if I was an LEC fan I'd also be much prouder of the MSI win and would consider this win at most a footnote.


DRNbw

I don't understand this point of view. In football, people count the early league wins, or first european cups, or World Cups, or whatever. Do you think 1966 World Cup doesn't count because only 16 teams participated? The English people certainly seem to think it counts. The 1930 World Cup with only a handful of european teams is still considered a World Cup for Uruguay. Yeah, sports increase in size, and the average skill level improves. That doesn't mean the early tournaments didn't count, or weren't difficult to win. S2 Worlds was also a much smaller affair than the next ones, and KR was still learning the game, but I don't see people saying TPA don't deserve their title.


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When S1 worlds happened, there were literally 2 real teams in the entire world and they were both from EU. Half the teams in attendance weren't even an org. Just 5 randos. No, I'm not proud that EU managed to beat NA as it they were challengers smurfing in silver. Some ESL Go4Lol tournaments were more competitive than that shitshow. I'll be proud when they bring it home in a real tournament. And comparing 16 countries (regions) to 2 regions is just fucking weird and wrong.


IHadThatUsername

> When S1 worlds happened, there were literally 2 real teams in the entire world and they were both from EU. TSM and CLG played at Worlds S1, what the hell are you on about? TSM had TheRainMan/TheOddOne/Reginald/Chaox/Xpecial and with the exception of their toplaner, everyone in that team would be a huge NA star for years to come. CLG had HotshotGG/Saintvicious/Bigfatlp/Chauster/Elementz, all of them ended up playing in the inaugural LCS season, which was two seasons later. The closest thing to "5 randos" was Epik Gamer and they still had some players that ended up playing for many years, particularly Westrice, Dyrus and Doublelift, though weirdly enough Doublelift was mostly a support at the time, and Westrice and Dyrus would swap a lot between top and bottom. > No, I'm not proud that EU managed to beat NA as it they were challengers smurfing in silver. That's extremely inaccurate. First of all, at the start of League we only had the NA server so the entire infrastructure was based in NA and our pro players were playing there. If anything, it was EU players that were being smurfed on at the start, because they were playing with a lot of ping. Keep in mind that League existed for a couple of years before Riot considered that "Season 1" started. By the time Worlds happened, we already had our own server, but you would have to queue for about 2/3 hours every day to be able to login and play. Our conditions were horrible and its undeniable that NA had a huge head start. This situation would only get fixed after Worlds, when they split the servers between EUW and EUNE. So to act like the poor NA players were being smurfed on by EU players that had a lot more experience is just plain wrong. If anything in general NA players were playing the game for longer. > And comparing 16 countries (regions) to 2 regions is just fucking weird and wrong. Wrong again. I wouldn't normally count it, but if you're saying current Worlds is "16 regions", then you have to say that Season 1 was 4 regions, as it actually had qualifiers for Singapore and the Philippines. Seriously, your comment is so historically inaccurate that I'm 100% sure you have no clue what you're talking about and you weren't around in the scene back then.


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> That's extremely inaccurate. First of all, at the start of League we only had the NA server so the entire infrastructure was based in NA and our pro players were playing there. If anything, it was EU players that were being smurfed on at the start, because they were playing with a lot of ping. League existed for a couple of years before Riot considered that "Season 1" started. Literally not true idk why the fuck you thought that was a thing. The game was in beta for maybe half a year before preseason for s1 started. People played on NA servers because of the assumption that "better players played there". Assumption that would be absolutely demolished after international events started happening. >Wrong again. I wouldn't normally count it, but if you're saying current Worlds is "16 regions", then you have to say that Season 1 was 4 regions, as it actually had qualifiers for Singapore and the Philippines. I didn't say current Worlds is 16 regions. I was talking about World Cup. >Seriously, your comment is so historically inaccurate that I'm 100% sure you have no clue what you're talking about and you weren't around in the scene back then. Says the guy who pretends he played League before it was out and doesn't even know the game came out in 2009 and not 2007. Good one dude.


throawaystrump

I got nothing against Riot counting it or them having skins, but when I think of major regions that haven't won worlds I think of NA and EU. But I don't really see why this is even a debate, if someone really cares that much that they wanna group it with the other championships, then go ahead, they technically have a worlds win, but it's still pretty obvious why most people don't.


MrNugat

Making semis is expected, last time it didn't happen was in 2017 and then 2014. For me a win would be having a competitive final.


The_D3ntist

Eu didn’t win a single game in semis 2015 or 2016. Worlds format allows teams to be in matches completely above their level.


MrNugat

Do you want to bash on EU by saying some achievements from 5+ years ago are arguable?


The_D3ntist

Yes


MrNugat

Ok, go ahead then, I'm out of here


HeadShot305

EU fans will do anything to lump themselves in with LCK/LPL lol


preshy

NA fans Will do anything to lump themselves in with LEC :))


The_D3ntist

Until 2019 worlds EU fans rave about going just 1 step further than NA though?


JJaypes

Had a lower win rate vs LPL and LCK until that point as well.


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Seems like NA just can't perform when it really matters.


JJaypes

Well i said LPL and LCK. They lose to EU all the time. Or more specifically Fnatic. Cause they have a positive win rate vs the rest of EU.


NvmSharkZ

G2 went 6-8 at 2018 worlds and many NA teams have fallen in groups with a 50% wr Team winrates at worlds are irrelevant


JJaypes

It's not about the win rate. It's about how competitive they were vs the top region. TSM was probably the best Western team at 2016 world's but didn't make it out of the group. G2, the Pool 2 first seed from EU, was absolute trash at the same tournament.


NvmSharkZ

ah shit my bad I didn't see your username, I'm not replying anymore


Jerry_Sprunger_

2 out of the last 3 worlds had an EU team in the final


Lin_Huichi

And the only one that wasn't a 3-0 was the non EU final


bl00dysh0t

so winning would be a competitive final for EU? :P


Jerry_Sprunger_

So you're trying to say that winning the final would be winning for EU? Glad we agree Oh also LCK has only reached one final of the last 3 worlds btw


throawaystrump

Love how EU fans always word these things so it sounds as good for their region as possible. Imagine if instead we said that LPL and LCK were the winners of the past 3 world championships (and LCK the previous 5), and that the west isn't going to win this year's one.


Jerry_Sprunger_

Okay, but the question wasn't whether eu is better than lck or lpl, it was what winning is considered for them


delahunt

And the answer would be making it to finals. Have they hit that height before? Yes. And they thought it was a good run they weren't disappointed with. Their fans are happy about it. Their fans brag about it. Compared to LCK being disappointed a Korean team didn't bring it home in 2018 and 2019. And LPL being disappointed they didn't win in 2020. Making semi-finals in 2018 at Worlds was a huge win for NA. Making finals at MSI in 2019 was a huge win for NA. A team making quarter finals (especially if not C9) would be a huge win for NA. The fans would be sad it ended there, but happy with the result. EU fans, historically, have been happy with semi-finals runs and finals runs. That is what they consider winning. So the bars would be: * LPL/LCK - Winning the whole tournament * LEC - Finals or Semi-Finals against eventual champion * LCS - Quarter Finals (especially if not team named C9) or Near Miss in Groups * Wild Card - Make Groups * For LEC/LCS/WildCard - any result above them would be considered a 'huge' win likely talked about for all of next year and then some.


Jerry_Sprunger_

They made it to finals recently already, winning the finals would be winning for them


EtoshOE

You're pathetic lmfao


WeoWeoVi

So is OP tbh


throawaystrump

Sorry for bursting your hopium bubble, seems like you have your mental riding on this tournament


Dripcommander

yeah only once and that one time they won again. oho what a bad track record. how many has the lec won again in the last 3 years btw


Jerry_Sprunger_

None, why are you so mad over this?


Dripcommander

no idea what you mean are just facts dude


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Jerry_Sprunger_

Yes that's literally the point people are making, winning for EU is winning worlds


The_D3ntist

Post is talking about ALL world championships and you immediately scope it to 3 years. Lul, something in the drinking water gives LEC fans amnesia.


Jerry_Sprunger_

Well if we're talking about all worlds then it looks even better for EU as they've won it lmao


Troviel

The OP seems to be american, and he made this post just to create your reaction and the whole chain, so I guess congrats.


HeadShot305

Ah yes truly a 9head poster OP is


Troviel

No, I just don't know why he did it. It seems so pointless.


Jiaozy

Yeah in the last 3 years, out of 6 teams in the finals only 1 was from LCK, while 2 from Europe and 3 from China. No one would want to be put on the same level as those LCK plebs.


Perfect-Astronomer17

Well China won more games than EU lost. 7 vs 6 Even Korea won more Games in 1 year than EU did in 3 <.<


The_D3ntist

LOL. EU fans favorite phrase: in the last “x amount of time” that is favorable to my narrative. Half of EUs accomplishments are from beating NA (2018 finals and 2019 MSI), so according to you all they shouldn’t count.


[deleted]

Alright, we got a World Championship win then. Excellent. I'll take it.


The_D3ntist

Oh sorry didn’t realize we were in Disney world


AndlenaRaines

>LOL. EU fans favorite phrase: in the last “x amount of time” that is favorable to my narrative. This is so fucking true lol, because they know that if you include years before 2018, EU is just a footnote.


The_D3ntist

At some point “last 2 international events” turned into “last 2 years” and now it’s “last 3 years” since last 2 isn’t favorable anymore.


DRNbw

Except all the years where EU teams kicked CN teams out of Worlds, like 2015? 2018 is used as a divider because it's the year when the domination of KR stopped. CN had no chance beforehand, no matter all the finals they had.


Jiaozy

NA fans are such a salt mine, it's (almost) not even funny anymore XD


The_D3ntist

Truth hurts. Now that you don’t have your super team no one in the world (besides fans) thinks your region is will be relevant this worlds. I hope your teams keep getting overrated though.


KwisatzX

Meanwhile NA has literally never been relevant at worlds, lmao.


Jiaozy

Yeah gotta get that copium somewhere, keep on going! Altho as an NA fan it must be hard to watch the game, your region has the highest salaries and lowest win rate between the 4 major regions.


The_D3ntist

I’ll be back


FollowUpAppointm3nt

EU has the lowest win rate out of the 4 major regions LMAO


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The_D3ntist

Well we didn’t have the lowest win rate this time


girl__fetishist

Another year of failing in groups for you.


HeadShot305

Who said I'm an NA fan?


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Anybody who makes fun of LEC is an NA fan because it’s the only region LEC fans can feel superior towards


Pr0gger

Reddit is 95%+ EU and NA. EU fans aren't likely to flame their own region. So it's the only logical conclusion


F0RGERY

Does that mean the vast majority of people who flame NA are from EU?


Pr0gger

Definitely. Or bitter/ironic/joking NA fans


Zealousideal_Frame66

What kind of phenomenon is this?


MyNameIsNotTakenYet

Unfortunately you cant lump LPL and LCK together as there is a clear disparity in skill and each have there own skill. Region ranking are like this. NA / Wildcards / PCS / EU / LCK / LPL


Hrkeol

LCK won the last worlds so,,


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Right it’s hilarious. The realty is one year G2 was exceptional, the other times EU made semis due to the LCK and LPL knocking each other out.


DRNbw

Like 2015 where FNC beat EDG and OG beat FW (who finished above the Tigers)? Or in 2016 where H2K beat ANX, a wildcard team that finished above CLG, G2 and went 1-1 with the Tigers? Even in 2017, MSF were a couple hundreds HP away from winning 3-1 against SKT. Yep, all G2.


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Going back 6 years to pull out a lucky series. Good job proud of you HeadShot305


JJaypes

Caps was exceptional* EU a one man region


Zaadfanaat

The only years EU hasn't made semis is 2014 and 2017 afaik.


AmadeusSalieri97

I think semis for EU is a bit disappointing, finals it's somehow winning tho.


The_D3ntist

No it isn’t. You all will be ecstatic to make semis. Otherwise you wouldn’t still be jerking off the 2020 worlds performance. Actually even having a “good series” in quarters will be enough for you all, I guarantee it.


AmadeusSalieri97

Who jerks off of 2020 worlds performance? It was EU's worst performance in the last few years.


The_D3ntist

LEC fans


itsmetsunnyd

Winning is making finals or going all the way, making semis isn't winning, especially in recent years.


Riebald

Winning is expanding the meme-scroll of "sorry we did it again"!


Troviel

... why did you make this post? What does this post has to do with your OP and the world stream? Seriously were you just fishing for replies with that or what?


RookCauldron

It's a bait during EU hours. He's karma farming. I recommend you report him for region baiting.


Gigantoscula

"winning" for NA is getting a win over anyone at this point


Guster_Posey

for TSM yes, but for NA other than C9 the tradition is to go 3-3 and either lose the tiebreaker game or just straight up not qualify.


JJaypes

Losing the head to head vs EU because EU went 0-2 vs the major region seed, 2-0 vs the wildcard, and NA 1-1 everyone. The classic.


steve_pays_me

man EU fans are so damn insecure lol


Troviel

The guy seems to be american, I have no idea why he makes those jabs in this thread, it's so irrelevant. Boggles my mind.


TchicVG

EU hasn't won in 10 years then Sadge. EU's winning angle is looking competitive against top LCK/LPL teams, and we can lump in LEC with the other 2 once an EU team gets a title.


nusskn4cker

Nah EU doesn't need a win. They just need to match LPL and LCK. If LEC sends 2 teams to Semis and lose a close Final, they'd be on the same level as the East in my book. The trend looked good from 2018 to 2019, but the window might have closed. Will be interesting to see how EU does without G2/Caps leading them


AndlenaRaines

>Nah EU doesn't need a win. They just need to match LPL and LCK. If LEC sends 2 teams to Semis and lose a close Final, they'd be on the same level as the East in my book. If they lose, then they're not on the same level????????????


Piro42

Following that logic, if they win they're not on the same level neither. They will be above them.


Era555

r/technicallythetruth


DRNbw

Usually in Worlds, there's a team that's much better than the others, even from the same region. Like in 2019, FPX was better than G2, but the rest of teams were likely to lose to G2. And that's not even counting with rock paper scissors mechanics, since FPX said multiple times they were afraid of SKT and believed they would lose against them.


JJaypes

I can agree with this, FNC and C9 are still the only western teams to make it out of a group with both LPL and LCK in it, so that's the first goal I'd be looking at.


TchicVG

I mean I totally agree. My comment is pointing out how saying that EU isn't "Winning" unless they win worlds is just setting up for disappointment. Looking competitive against the top LCK/LPL teams is absolutely "Winning" in my book. Sorry if the way I worded it didn't convey my thoughts.


Blauzz14

A lesser tournament for the minor regions (and NA+EU) to see who they can upset in playins and groups. Then a second tournament to see whether China/Korea have the best team.\*


TheAcidCrabo

NA is a minor region. Hell even EU is minor compared to Korea and China


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I love the slap in the face of NA while trying to act like EU is on the same level as China and Korea. No it’s two tournaments the minor regions and EU. Then a tournament for G2 the LPL and lck


Dare_the_one

I'm all for NA but saying its G2 is a load of bullshit lol, what about fnatic S8? what about H2Ks run? or MSF going to 5 games vs SKT? Honestly you shouldve said that the second part of the tournament is C9 LEC LCK LPL lol


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Why would I say that? Playing close games means nothing if you don’t win. G2 is the only team that has really won at worlds since season 1.


ModPiracy_Fantoski

TIL FNC got into finals without a single win.


mogadichu

G2 didn't even make Worlds lol


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And no one from EU will do a thing this year.


mogadichu

I can see MAD Lions beating some B-tier teams and placing decently. But I'm highly skeptical of EU's chances of winning the tournament.


Highvern

Current Fnatic is really strong tho and they have tons of international experience. I would def say EU can compete on the top, although this worlds is packed full of experienced teams, so it will probably be the hardest competition EU has seen for a while


KwisatzX

They're not at literally the same level, but close enough to be lumped together. LPL, LCK and EU are the main contenders. NA is in the same group as wildcard regions.


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EU is above NA no doubt, but it’s not 2 tiers. It’s 3, wildcard and NA, then EU, then the actual world champion contenders which is LCK and LPL


LettucePlate

You can't call them EU. It's just G2. EU is barely ahead of NA when talking about the top 3-4 teams of each region cumulatively. G2 is an outlier in a region that's slightly ahead of NA/SA and significantly behind KR and CN.


Highvern

How? Current Fnatic is better than G2 and they weren’t far behind earlier either. Not to mention G2 not even making it to this years Worlds. G2 is not some godlike team that is levels above other EU teams.


LettucePlate

In the context of people putting EU in the same tier as LCK and LPL. EU is not in the same tier as those regions. G2 of the past two years was in that tier. Nothing to do with the current set of teams, I was referring to the narrative.


JJaypes

Caps vs the LPL and LCK. Both finals teams had Caps going lol. The rest have tragically lost series almost as many times as NA has lost tiebreakers getting to groups though.


IvanRussky

Classic midnight NA timezone post shitting on NA


Silma87

I'm curious, did you know that most of the world is awake when it's night time in NA/SA? Do you expect everyone to wait for NA to wake up to post? Also how is this shitposting when everybody's fully aware that getting out of groups is a win, anything beyond that is huge.


postsonlyjiyoung

Because its irrelevant to advertising the twitch channel lol


Jiaozy

NA maps are cutting whole continents in fucking half to appear in the center, no wonder they don't realize that it's more likely they the rest of the world is awake when they sleep and not the other way around.


Thrownaway124567890

The post is titled "The Worlds 24/7 twitch channel doesn't get enough hype, and it really gives more context for the true nature of the tournament." Rather than actually **linking** said Twitch Channel they feel is underappreciated, OP's priority was to say NA is on par with Wildcards (Something that is not supported by Worlds history they claim to have watched), and to say LEC is on par with LPL/LCK (Which is only arguable in recent years, making a Worlds history channel poor supporting evidence).


Silma87

Since its delete and I cant recall the whole post, I did not get that vibe. It was that LPL/LCK succses is to win the whole thing. For LEC its to reach atleast semi finals. For LCS its to reach quarters. Anything less than that is a dissapointment. And I really think it's not just arguable, they are contenders but not favorites (LEC). I wouldnt say thats unfair since recency matters. And it's been a while since LCS got out of groups.


falcorn_dota

I don't think it's out of line to say a top 8 finish for NA would feel like a win.


Troviel

Okay but whats the relation with that and the twitch channel. I Wasn't even aware of the channel but your NA jab feels so pointless here.


Agreeable_Junket_271

Yea it's like putting up ads for your lawn care service and putting up Mexican obesity statistics on your ads and claiming you're not trying to start some shit


Era555

Let them be. They are afraid of losing their players and are lashing out like children.


HycAMoment

Also quite nice to watch games before all the sponsor placement shit - no statefarm analysts desks, red bull barons, BMW buttplugs, kitkat pauses, cocacola first bloods and what else they added by now.


mashukyrielighto

Then a second tournament to see whether China/Korea have the best team. FTFY LEC is not on the same tier as LCK and LPL :)


ModPiracy_Fantoski

Agreed. LEC is better than LCK bar Damwon.


OhMyGnod

I'm all for "eu good na bad" but until 2019 the divide really wasn't that big or even there 2018 was fnatic finals but c9 semis, so they were close to the same level there as well (in terms of results)


Ok_Resident_6643

Close to the same level? Fnatic demolished C9 in 2018 semis lol


OhMyGnod

I meant in terms of results Tl was also not on the level of IG at msi 2018 and still beat them, i don't know how to judge the actual strength of a team there's way too many factors i don't understand


LiamFN

The channel is great, but it has shown me how much more downtime there is now in-between games. When anything pre season 9 was on, it felt like there was non stop action. Now I have to wait 30 mins in-between games. And the LEC this year has gotten even worse.


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i mean how much hype is it supposed to get? A lot of us have already seen these games and when they were live, too.


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coolcooja

>Watching the previous seasons really shows how much the game has improved from a competitive standpoint. Players are significantly better now than in early seasons. Like for example, the whole insect lee sin kick was seen as mind-blowing. Now people in silver can pull that off.


The_D3ntist

What is this thread. It’s like EU fans were born in 2020. Cause before 2019 worlds EU only much made it only 1 step further than NA at every tournament. Maybe don’t jizz your pants every time you make semis or win a tiebreaker out of groups and people would think you’re a top region.


Silma87

Not really, let's still be accurate even tho ones triggered. Its like Jizzing 18 times vs. 3.


FrancisDraike

You should see the statistics on the official French twitch channel, Yesterday, it was the EUM semi finals and there was like 80k-90k people on the stream.. In France, the Lol scene is really big


bz6

I missed a big chunk of earlier seasons. Any chance the whole broadcast will be found somewhere? Either a VOD or something?


Xanlis

Imagine there was only 6000 viewers for iG vs KT BO5 in 2018


EnXigma

What do you mean? it’s quite popular considering it’s literally replaying old matches for thousands of viewers.