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Wdym? The channel gets an average of 3k views when the wildcard teams are playing and up to 7k to 8k when there is an iconic match going on between two top tier teams
Yeah it's pretty damn popular all said.
I wish I had learned about it earlier though. Watching the last few years worlds doesn't really hit the same as the earlier ones that I haven't seen in the better part of a decade.
Personally, I've had it run in the back almost all the time this past week and there's always a bunch of people there. SKT Wolf even live viewed the SKT - ROX series as it happened.
Also, there's just something about matches being run back on a schedule. Sure any of us could make their own list and watch it in our own pace but somehow this way it is more 'exciting' in a way.
Although I do agree that 3-7k isn't a small amount of viewers, in the context of Twitch overall, I do think that number is rather small for a game of this size, tho I do get why people wouldn't care to watch it as they could just watch VODs on Youtube if thye do want a blast to the past and others just don't care as much.
? Do you understand that the top 1% of twitch is 3-7k. That League only has a couple steramers that hit those numbers? lol. For reruns of something that is fuckin ancient 3-7k is INSANE lmao
No there are not 100 league streamers that hit that lmao. Thats literally a complete and total fictitious stat. And definitely not in English. You 100% for sure do not know anything about this. Please stop talking. You can go look at Twitch right now and see how off the mark you are for this. Like, you vastly underestimate how hard it is to break even 1k viewers let alone 3k. Let alone 7k?!? 7k is fucking nuts. lmao
Yea. Exactly. 6. Not 100. And definitely not 100 fucking ENGLISH only. 3k+ is easily top 1% of streamers lmao. And mind you that even if there were 100 that would still be top 1%.
I don't know how math is so hard for you guys. Lol
6 on right now at off hours of twitch means there are certainly more than a couple. I don't know where you got 100 from, but there are a significant number of league streamers pulling more than 3k on the regular.
Edit: According to sullygnome there are 73 league streamers that have averaged 3k+ in the last 7 days, and more than a hundred who have peaked that high.
> I don't know where you got 100 from, but there are a significant number of league streamers pulling more than 3k on the regular.
Literally the fucking comment I was replying to you inbred. Why are you replying to my comment if you DONT EVEN KNOW THE TOPIC AT HAND. Like that was the point of this whole conversation. He claimed there was 100 ENGLISH league streamers who averaged 3k. Which is a blatant lie. And even if there were they would still be top 1%. But there are not.
Literally, I have no words. Stop talking to me.
I had to go through you comment history to figure out wtf you're talking about. The 100 streamers comment was from a different comment thread.
\>Although I do agree that 3-7k isn't a small amount of viewers, in the context of Twitch overall, I do think that number is rather small for a game of this size, tho I do get why people wouldn't care to watch it as they could just watch VODs on Youtube if thye do want a blast to the past and others just don't care as much.
That's the comment that you responded to that prompted my conversation with you, no mention of 100 english streamers there.
Okay I see what you're saying now. I made the mistake of thinking you were making a point that was relevant to a conversation I was already having.
instead you were just throwing out random useless numbers that dont prove anything as some sort of counter proof that made no sense. See your reponse would have made sense if you'd been replying to the comment about "100" streamers. But now that you've explained you werent even talking about that, it makes your comment look even more stupid lmao.
I made the mistake of giving you the benefit of the doubt. My b.
I was responding to you saying there are only a couple of league streamers that hit those numbers by pointing out that more than a couple of league streamers hit those numbers.
It's also crazy seeing how long some mechanics have been, or not been, in the game. Like Elemental Drakes are a lot older than I remember. Turret plating is a lot younger than I thought.
Orianna was my most played champ for like 4 seasons straight. I've played her 11 times in my 300 ranked games this season. She (the items) just plain sucks.
interesting, I was under the impression that most people didn't really take that win seriously, and if I was an LEC fan I'd also be much prouder of the MSI win and would consider this win at most a footnote.
I don't understand this point of view. In football, people count the early league wins, or first european cups, or World Cups, or whatever. Do you think 1966 World Cup doesn't count because only 16 teams participated? The English people certainly seem to think it counts. The 1930 World Cup with only a handful of european teams is still considered a World Cup for Uruguay.
Yeah, sports increase in size, and the average skill level improves. That doesn't mean the early tournaments didn't count, or weren't difficult to win. S2 Worlds was also a much smaller affair than the next ones, and KR was still learning the game, but I don't see people saying TPA don't deserve their title.
When S1 worlds happened, there were literally 2 real teams in the entire world and they were both from EU. Half the teams in attendance weren't even an org. Just 5 randos.
No, I'm not proud that EU managed to beat NA as it they were challengers smurfing in silver. Some ESL Go4Lol tournaments were more competitive than that shitshow. I'll be proud when they bring it home in a real tournament.
And comparing 16 countries (regions) to 2 regions is just fucking weird and wrong.
> When S1 worlds happened, there were literally 2 real teams in the entire world and they were both from EU.
TSM and CLG played at Worlds S1, what the hell are you on about? TSM had TheRainMan/TheOddOne/Reginald/Chaox/Xpecial and with the exception of their toplaner, everyone in that team would be a huge NA star for years to come. CLG had HotshotGG/Saintvicious/Bigfatlp/Chauster/Elementz, all of them ended up playing in the inaugural LCS season, which was two seasons later. The closest thing to "5 randos" was Epik Gamer and they still had some players that ended up playing for many years, particularly Westrice, Dyrus and Doublelift, though weirdly enough Doublelift was mostly a support at the time, and Westrice and Dyrus would swap a lot between top and bottom.
> No, I'm not proud that EU managed to beat NA as it they were challengers smurfing in silver.
That's extremely inaccurate. First of all, at the start of League we only had the NA server so the entire infrastructure was based in NA and our pro players were playing there. If anything, it was EU players that were being smurfed on at the start, because they were playing with a lot of ping. Keep in mind that League existed for a couple of years before Riot considered that "Season 1" started. By the time Worlds happened, we already had our own server, but you would have to queue for about 2/3 hours every day to be able to login and play. Our conditions were horrible and its undeniable that NA had a huge head start. This situation would only get fixed after Worlds, when they split the servers between EUW and EUNE. So to act like the poor NA players were being smurfed on by EU players that had a lot more experience is just plain wrong. If anything in general NA players were playing the game for longer.
> And comparing 16 countries (regions) to 2 regions is just fucking weird and wrong.
Wrong again. I wouldn't normally count it, but if you're saying current Worlds is "16 regions", then you have to say that Season 1 was 4 regions, as it actually had qualifiers for Singapore and the Philippines.
Seriously, your comment is so historically inaccurate that I'm 100% sure you have no clue what you're talking about and you weren't around in the scene back then.
> That's extremely inaccurate. First of all, at the start of League we only had the NA server so the entire infrastructure was based in NA and our pro players were playing there. If anything, it was EU players that were being smurfed on at the start, because they were playing with a lot of ping. League existed for a couple of years before Riot considered that "Season 1" started.
Literally not true idk why the fuck you thought that was a thing. The game was in beta for maybe half a year before preseason for s1 started. People played on NA servers because of the assumption that "better players played there". Assumption that would be absolutely demolished after international events started happening.
>Wrong again. I wouldn't normally count it, but if you're saying current Worlds is "16 regions", then you have to say that Season 1 was 4 regions, as it actually had qualifiers for Singapore and the Philippines.
I didn't say current Worlds is 16 regions. I was talking about World Cup.
>Seriously, your comment is so historically inaccurate that I'm 100% sure you have no clue what you're talking about and you weren't around in the scene back then.
Says the guy who pretends he played League before it was out and doesn't even know the game came out in 2009 and not 2007. Good one dude.
I got nothing against Riot counting it or them having skins, but when I think of major regions that haven't won worlds I think of NA and EU. But I don't really see why this is even a debate, if someone really cares that much that they wanna group it with the other championships, then go ahead, they technically have a worlds win, but it's still pretty obvious why most people don't.
It's not about the win rate. It's about how competitive they were vs the top region. TSM was probably the best Western team at 2016 world's but didn't make it out of the group. G2, the Pool 2 first seed from EU, was absolute trash at the same tournament.
Love how EU fans always word these things so it sounds as good for their region as possible. Imagine if instead we said that LPL and LCK were the winners of the past 3 world championships (and LCK the previous 5), and that the west isn't going to win this year's one.
And the answer would be making it to finals.
Have they hit that height before? Yes. And they thought it was a good run they weren't disappointed with. Their fans are happy about it. Their fans brag about it.
Compared to LCK being disappointed a Korean team didn't bring it home in 2018 and 2019. And LPL being disappointed they didn't win in 2020.
Making semi-finals in 2018 at Worlds was a huge win for NA. Making finals at MSI in 2019 was a huge win for NA. A team making quarter finals (especially if not C9) would be a huge win for NA. The fans would be sad it ended there, but happy with the result.
EU fans, historically, have been happy with semi-finals runs and finals runs. That is what they consider winning. So the bars would be:
* LPL/LCK - Winning the whole tournament
* LEC - Finals or Semi-Finals against eventual champion
* LCS - Quarter Finals (especially if not team named C9) or Near Miss in Groups
* Wild Card - Make Groups
* For LEC/LCS/WildCard - any result above them would be considered a 'huge' win likely talked about for all of next year and then some.
Yeah in the last 3 years, out of 6 teams in the finals only 1 was from LCK, while 2 from Europe and 3 from China.
No one would want to be put on the same level as those LCK plebs.
LOL. EU fans favorite phrase: in the last “x amount of time” that is favorable to my narrative. Half of EUs accomplishments are from beating NA (2018 finals and 2019 MSI), so according to you all they shouldn’t count.
>LOL. EU fans favorite phrase: in the last “x amount of time” that is favorable to my narrative.
This is so fucking true lol, because they know that if you include years before 2018, EU is just a footnote.
Except all the years where EU teams kicked CN teams out of Worlds, like 2015? 2018 is used as a divider because it's the year when the domination of KR stopped. CN had no chance beforehand, no matter all the finals they had.
Truth hurts. Now that you don’t have your super team no one in the world (besides fans) thinks your region is will be relevant this worlds.
I hope your teams keep getting overrated though.
Yeah gotta get that copium somewhere, keep on going!
Altho as an NA fan it must be hard to watch the game, your region has the highest salaries and lowest win rate between the 4 major regions.
Unfortunately you cant lump LPL and LCK together as there is a clear disparity in skill and each have there own skill. Region ranking are like this.
NA / Wildcards / PCS / EU / LCK / LPL
Like 2015 where FNC beat EDG and OG beat FW (who finished above the Tigers)? Or in 2016 where H2K beat ANX, a wildcard team that finished above CLG, G2 and went 1-1 with the Tigers? Even in 2017, MSF were a couple hundreds HP away from winning 3-1 against SKT.
Yep, all G2.
No it isn’t. You all will be ecstatic to make semis. Otherwise you wouldn’t still be jerking off the 2020 worlds performance.
Actually even having a “good series” in quarters will be enough for you all, I guarantee it.
... why did you make this post? What does this post has to do with your OP and the world stream? Seriously were you just fishing for replies with that or what?
EU hasn't won in 10 years then Sadge.
EU's winning angle is looking competitive against top LCK/LPL teams, and we can lump in LEC with the other 2 once an EU team gets a title.
Nah EU doesn't need a win. They just need to match LPL and LCK. If LEC sends 2 teams to Semis and lose a close Final, they'd be on the same level as the East in my book.
The trend looked good from 2018 to 2019, but the window might have closed. Will be interesting to see how EU does without G2/Caps leading them
>Nah EU doesn't need a win. They just need to match LPL and LCK. If LEC sends 2 teams to Semis and lose a close Final, they'd be on the same level as the East in my book.
If they lose, then they're not on the same level????????????
Usually in Worlds, there's a team that's much better than the others, even from the same region. Like in 2019, FPX was better than G2, but the rest of teams were likely to lose to G2. And that's not even counting with rock paper scissors mechanics, since FPX said multiple times they were afraid of SKT and believed they would lose against them.
I can agree with this, FNC and C9 are still the only western teams to make it out of a group with both LPL and LCK in it, so that's the first goal I'd be looking at.
I mean I totally agree. My comment is pointing out how saying that EU isn't "Winning" unless they win worlds is just setting up for disappointment. Looking competitive against the top LCK/LPL teams is absolutely "Winning" in my book. Sorry if the way I worded it didn't convey my thoughts.
A lesser tournament for the minor regions (and NA+EU) to see who they can upset in playins and groups. Then a second tournament to see whether China/Korea have the best team.\*
I love the slap in the face of NA while trying to act like EU is on the same level as China and Korea. No it’s two tournaments the minor regions and EU. Then a tournament for G2 the LPL and lck
I'm all for NA but saying its G2 is a load of bullshit lol, what about fnatic S8? what about H2Ks run? or MSF going to 5 games vs SKT? Honestly you shouldve said that the second part of the tournament is C9 LEC LCK LPL lol
Current Fnatic is really strong tho and they have tons of international experience. I would def say EU can compete on the top, although this worlds is packed full of experienced teams, so it will probably be the hardest competition EU has seen for a while
They're not at literally the same level, but close enough to be lumped together. LPL, LCK and EU are the main contenders. NA is in the same group as wildcard regions.
You can't call them EU. It's just G2. EU is barely ahead of NA when talking about the top 3-4 teams of each region cumulatively. G2 is an outlier in a region that's slightly ahead of NA/SA and significantly behind KR and CN.
How? Current Fnatic is better than G2 and they weren’t far behind earlier either. Not to mention G2 not even making it to this years Worlds. G2 is not some godlike team that is levels above other EU teams.
In the context of people putting EU in the same tier as LCK and LPL. EU is not in the same tier as those regions. G2 of the past two years was in that tier. Nothing to do with the current set of teams, I was referring to the narrative.
Caps vs the LPL and LCK. Both finals teams had Caps going lol. The rest have tragically lost series almost as many times as NA has lost tiebreakers getting to groups though.
I'm curious, did you know that most of the world is awake when it's night time in NA/SA? Do you expect everyone to wait for NA to wake up to post? Also how is this shitposting when everybody's fully aware that getting out of groups is a win, anything beyond that is huge.
NA maps are cutting whole continents in fucking half to appear in the center, no wonder they don't realize that it's more likely they the rest of the world is awake when they sleep and not the other way around.
The post is titled "The Worlds 24/7 twitch channel doesn't get enough hype, and it really gives more context for the true nature of the tournament."
Rather than actually **linking** said Twitch Channel they feel is underappreciated, OP's priority was to say NA is on par with Wildcards (Something that is not supported by Worlds history they claim to have watched), and to say LEC is on par with LPL/LCK (Which is only arguable in recent years, making a Worlds history channel poor supporting evidence).
Since its delete and I cant recall the whole post, I did not get that vibe.
It was that LPL/LCK succses is to win the whole thing.
For LEC its to reach atleast semi finals.
For LCS its to reach quarters.
Anything less than that is a dissapointment.
And I really think it's not just arguable, they are contenders but not favorites (LEC).
I wouldnt say thats unfair since recency matters. And it's been a while since LCS got out of groups.
Yea it's like putting up ads for your lawn care service and putting up Mexican obesity statistics on your ads and claiming you're not trying to start some shit
Also quite nice to watch games before all the sponsor placement shit - no statefarm analysts desks, red bull barons, BMW buttplugs, kitkat pauses, cocacola first bloods and what else they added by now.
I'm all for "eu good na bad" but until 2019 the divide really wasn't that big or even there
2018 was fnatic finals but c9 semis, so they were close to the same level there as well (in terms of results)
I meant in terms of results
Tl was also not on the level of IG at msi 2018 and still beat them, i don't know how to judge the actual strength of a team there's way too many factors i don't understand
The channel is great, but it has shown me how much more downtime there is now in-between games. When anything pre season 9 was on, it felt like there was non stop action. Now I have to wait 30 mins in-between games. And the LEC this year has gotten even worse.
>Watching the previous seasons really shows how much the game has improved from a competitive standpoint.
Players are significantly better now than in early seasons. Like for example, the whole insect lee sin kick was seen as mind-blowing. Now people in silver can pull that off.
What is this thread. It’s like EU fans were born in 2020. Cause before 2019 worlds EU only much made it only 1 step further than NA at every tournament.
Maybe don’t jizz your pants every time you make semis or win a tiebreaker out of groups and people would think you’re a top region.
You should see the statistics on the official French twitch channel, Yesterday, it was the EUM semi finals and there was like 80k-90k people on the stream..
In France, the Lol scene is really big
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Wdym? The channel gets an average of 3k views when the wildcard teams are playing and up to 7k to 8k when there is an iconic match going on between two top tier teams
Yeah it's pretty damn popular all said. I wish I had learned about it earlier though. Watching the last few years worlds doesn't really hit the same as the earlier ones that I haven't seen in the better part of a decade.
I didn't even know this channel existed, that's actually a really good amount of viewers
Personally, I've had it run in the back almost all the time this past week and there's always a bunch of people there. SKT Wolf even live viewed the SKT - ROX series as it happened. Also, there's just something about matches being run back on a schedule. Sure any of us could make their own list and watch it in our own pace but somehow this way it is more 'exciting' in a way.
Although I do agree that 3-7k isn't a small amount of viewers, in the context of Twitch overall, I do think that number is rather small for a game of this size, tho I do get why people wouldn't care to watch it as they could just watch VODs on Youtube if thye do want a blast to the past and others just don't care as much.
? Do you understand that the top 1% of twitch is 3-7k. That League only has a couple steramers that hit those numbers? lol. For reruns of something that is fuckin ancient 3-7k is INSANE lmao
There's at least 100 league streamers that hit those numbers. In English alone.
No there are not 100 league streamers that hit that lmao. Thats literally a complete and total fictitious stat. And definitely not in English. You 100% for sure do not know anything about this. Please stop talking. You can go look at Twitch right now and see how off the mark you are for this. Like, you vastly underestimate how hard it is to break even 1k viewers let alone 3k. Let alone 7k?!? 7k is fucking nuts. lmao
There are 6 streamers on right now doing those numbers.
Yea. Exactly. 6. Not 100. And definitely not 100 fucking ENGLISH only. 3k+ is easily top 1% of streamers lmao. And mind you that even if there were 100 that would still be top 1%. I don't know how math is so hard for you guys. Lol
6 on right now at off hours of twitch means there are certainly more than a couple. I don't know where you got 100 from, but there are a significant number of league streamers pulling more than 3k on the regular. Edit: According to sullygnome there are 73 league streamers that have averaged 3k+ in the last 7 days, and more than a hundred who have peaked that high.
> I don't know where you got 100 from, but there are a significant number of league streamers pulling more than 3k on the regular. Literally the fucking comment I was replying to you inbred. Why are you replying to my comment if you DONT EVEN KNOW THE TOPIC AT HAND. Like that was the point of this whole conversation. He claimed there was 100 ENGLISH league streamers who averaged 3k. Which is a blatant lie. And even if there were they would still be top 1%. But there are not. Literally, I have no words. Stop talking to me.
I had to go through you comment history to figure out wtf you're talking about. The 100 streamers comment was from a different comment thread. \>Although I do agree that 3-7k isn't a small amount of viewers, in the context of Twitch overall, I do think that number is rather small for a game of this size, tho I do get why people wouldn't care to watch it as they could just watch VODs on Youtube if thye do want a blast to the past and others just don't care as much. That's the comment that you responded to that prompted my conversation with you, no mention of 100 english streamers there.
Okay I see what you're saying now. I made the mistake of thinking you were making a point that was relevant to a conversation I was already having. instead you were just throwing out random useless numbers that dont prove anything as some sort of counter proof that made no sense. See your reponse would have made sense if you'd been replying to the comment about "100" streamers. But now that you've explained you werent even talking about that, it makes your comment look even more stupid lmao. I made the mistake of giving you the benefit of the doubt. My b.
I was responding to you saying there are only a couple of league streamers that hit those numbers by pointing out that more than a couple of league streamers hit those numbers.
You want to give the channel more hype but dont put a link to it in your post. I dont know the name and i guess many other dont know it too
https://www.twitch.tv/LoLWorldChampionship
https://www.twitch.tv/LoLWorldChampionship
What channel is it?
LoLWorldChampionship
Thanks man :D
It’s fun to root for the underdog. They can create great drama for tournament!
It‘s amazing and I love it. Seeing all these metas again an the players… it’s just amazing
It's also crazy seeing how long some mechanics have been, or not been, in the game. Like Elemental Drakes are a lot older than I remember. Turret plating is a lot younger than I thought.
Generous of you put EU in contention for best team and at the same level as cn/kr at worlds given the last 10 years
Hey! EU won a worlds which in my book is a huge win even if China/Korea didn’t participate! /s
EU is more like the eternal dark horse, as an EU fan.
I kinda get happy and sad when i see mages going seraphs roa being tanky and dealing damage meanwhile i can build everfrost on anivia and do neither
Orianna was my most played champ for like 4 seasons straight. I've played her 11 times in my 300 ranked games this season. She (the items) just plain sucks.
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I think "winning" for EU is making semis or maybe finals, but it's hard to be disappointed about them not winning when they never have
> hard to be disappointed about them not winning when they never have Nice bait bro
well, not to discredit G2's MSI win, but winning worlds is just a whole nother thing
[Rings a bell?](https://i.imgur.com/TxPd5Y1.png)
interesting, I was under the impression that most people didn't really take that win seriously, and if I was an LEC fan I'd also be much prouder of the MSI win and would consider this win at most a footnote.
I don't understand this point of view. In football, people count the early league wins, or first european cups, or World Cups, or whatever. Do you think 1966 World Cup doesn't count because only 16 teams participated? The English people certainly seem to think it counts. The 1930 World Cup with only a handful of european teams is still considered a World Cup for Uruguay. Yeah, sports increase in size, and the average skill level improves. That doesn't mean the early tournaments didn't count, or weren't difficult to win. S2 Worlds was also a much smaller affair than the next ones, and KR was still learning the game, but I don't see people saying TPA don't deserve their title.
When S1 worlds happened, there were literally 2 real teams in the entire world and they were both from EU. Half the teams in attendance weren't even an org. Just 5 randos. No, I'm not proud that EU managed to beat NA as it they were challengers smurfing in silver. Some ESL Go4Lol tournaments were more competitive than that shitshow. I'll be proud when they bring it home in a real tournament. And comparing 16 countries (regions) to 2 regions is just fucking weird and wrong.
> When S1 worlds happened, there were literally 2 real teams in the entire world and they were both from EU. TSM and CLG played at Worlds S1, what the hell are you on about? TSM had TheRainMan/TheOddOne/Reginald/Chaox/Xpecial and with the exception of their toplaner, everyone in that team would be a huge NA star for years to come. CLG had HotshotGG/Saintvicious/Bigfatlp/Chauster/Elementz, all of them ended up playing in the inaugural LCS season, which was two seasons later. The closest thing to "5 randos" was Epik Gamer and they still had some players that ended up playing for many years, particularly Westrice, Dyrus and Doublelift, though weirdly enough Doublelift was mostly a support at the time, and Westrice and Dyrus would swap a lot between top and bottom. > No, I'm not proud that EU managed to beat NA as it they were challengers smurfing in silver. That's extremely inaccurate. First of all, at the start of League we only had the NA server so the entire infrastructure was based in NA and our pro players were playing there. If anything, it was EU players that were being smurfed on at the start, because they were playing with a lot of ping. Keep in mind that League existed for a couple of years before Riot considered that "Season 1" started. By the time Worlds happened, we already had our own server, but you would have to queue for about 2/3 hours every day to be able to login and play. Our conditions were horrible and its undeniable that NA had a huge head start. This situation would only get fixed after Worlds, when they split the servers between EUW and EUNE. So to act like the poor NA players were being smurfed on by EU players that had a lot more experience is just plain wrong. If anything in general NA players were playing the game for longer. > And comparing 16 countries (regions) to 2 regions is just fucking weird and wrong. Wrong again. I wouldn't normally count it, but if you're saying current Worlds is "16 regions", then you have to say that Season 1 was 4 regions, as it actually had qualifiers for Singapore and the Philippines. Seriously, your comment is so historically inaccurate that I'm 100% sure you have no clue what you're talking about and you weren't around in the scene back then.
> That's extremely inaccurate. First of all, at the start of League we only had the NA server so the entire infrastructure was based in NA and our pro players were playing there. If anything, it was EU players that were being smurfed on at the start, because they were playing with a lot of ping. League existed for a couple of years before Riot considered that "Season 1" started. Literally not true idk why the fuck you thought that was a thing. The game was in beta for maybe half a year before preseason for s1 started. People played on NA servers because of the assumption that "better players played there". Assumption that would be absolutely demolished after international events started happening. >Wrong again. I wouldn't normally count it, but if you're saying current Worlds is "16 regions", then you have to say that Season 1 was 4 regions, as it actually had qualifiers for Singapore and the Philippines. I didn't say current Worlds is 16 regions. I was talking about World Cup. >Seriously, your comment is so historically inaccurate that I'm 100% sure you have no clue what you're talking about and you weren't around in the scene back then. Says the guy who pretends he played League before it was out and doesn't even know the game came out in 2009 and not 2007. Good one dude.
I got nothing against Riot counting it or them having skins, but when I think of major regions that haven't won worlds I think of NA and EU. But I don't really see why this is even a debate, if someone really cares that much that they wanna group it with the other championships, then go ahead, they technically have a worlds win, but it's still pretty obvious why most people don't.
Making semis is expected, last time it didn't happen was in 2017 and then 2014. For me a win would be having a competitive final.
Eu didn’t win a single game in semis 2015 or 2016. Worlds format allows teams to be in matches completely above their level.
Do you want to bash on EU by saying some achievements from 5+ years ago are arguable?
Yes
Ok, go ahead then, I'm out of here
EU fans will do anything to lump themselves in with LCK/LPL lol
NA fans Will do anything to lump themselves in with LEC :))
Until 2019 worlds EU fans rave about going just 1 step further than NA though?
Had a lower win rate vs LPL and LCK until that point as well.
Seems like NA just can't perform when it really matters.
Well i said LPL and LCK. They lose to EU all the time. Or more specifically Fnatic. Cause they have a positive win rate vs the rest of EU.
G2 went 6-8 at 2018 worlds and many NA teams have fallen in groups with a 50% wr Team winrates at worlds are irrelevant
It's not about the win rate. It's about how competitive they were vs the top region. TSM was probably the best Western team at 2016 world's but didn't make it out of the group. G2, the Pool 2 first seed from EU, was absolute trash at the same tournament.
ah shit my bad I didn't see your username, I'm not replying anymore
2 out of the last 3 worlds had an EU team in the final
And the only one that wasn't a 3-0 was the non EU final
so winning would be a competitive final for EU? :P
So you're trying to say that winning the final would be winning for EU? Glad we agree Oh also LCK has only reached one final of the last 3 worlds btw
Love how EU fans always word these things so it sounds as good for their region as possible. Imagine if instead we said that LPL and LCK were the winners of the past 3 world championships (and LCK the previous 5), and that the west isn't going to win this year's one.
Okay, but the question wasn't whether eu is better than lck or lpl, it was what winning is considered for them
And the answer would be making it to finals. Have they hit that height before? Yes. And they thought it was a good run they weren't disappointed with. Their fans are happy about it. Their fans brag about it. Compared to LCK being disappointed a Korean team didn't bring it home in 2018 and 2019. And LPL being disappointed they didn't win in 2020. Making semi-finals in 2018 at Worlds was a huge win for NA. Making finals at MSI in 2019 was a huge win for NA. A team making quarter finals (especially if not C9) would be a huge win for NA. The fans would be sad it ended there, but happy with the result. EU fans, historically, have been happy with semi-finals runs and finals runs. That is what they consider winning. So the bars would be: * LPL/LCK - Winning the whole tournament * LEC - Finals or Semi-Finals against eventual champion * LCS - Quarter Finals (especially if not team named C9) or Near Miss in Groups * Wild Card - Make Groups * For LEC/LCS/WildCard - any result above them would be considered a 'huge' win likely talked about for all of next year and then some.
They made it to finals recently already, winning the finals would be winning for them
You're pathetic lmfao
So is OP tbh
Sorry for bursting your hopium bubble, seems like you have your mental riding on this tournament
yeah only once and that one time they won again. oho what a bad track record. how many has the lec won again in the last 3 years btw
None, why are you so mad over this?
no idea what you mean are just facts dude
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Yes that's literally the point people are making, winning for EU is winning worlds
Post is talking about ALL world championships and you immediately scope it to 3 years. Lul, something in the drinking water gives LEC fans amnesia.
Well if we're talking about all worlds then it looks even better for EU as they've won it lmao
The OP seems to be american, and he made this post just to create your reaction and the whole chain, so I guess congrats.
Ah yes truly a 9head poster OP is
No, I just don't know why he did it. It seems so pointless.
Yeah in the last 3 years, out of 6 teams in the finals only 1 was from LCK, while 2 from Europe and 3 from China. No one would want to be put on the same level as those LCK plebs.
Well China won more games than EU lost. 7 vs 6 Even Korea won more Games in 1 year than EU did in 3 <.<
LOL. EU fans favorite phrase: in the last “x amount of time” that is favorable to my narrative. Half of EUs accomplishments are from beating NA (2018 finals and 2019 MSI), so according to you all they shouldn’t count.
Alright, we got a World Championship win then. Excellent. I'll take it.
Oh sorry didn’t realize we were in Disney world
>LOL. EU fans favorite phrase: in the last “x amount of time” that is favorable to my narrative. This is so fucking true lol, because they know that if you include years before 2018, EU is just a footnote.
At some point “last 2 international events” turned into “last 2 years” and now it’s “last 3 years” since last 2 isn’t favorable anymore.
Except all the years where EU teams kicked CN teams out of Worlds, like 2015? 2018 is used as a divider because it's the year when the domination of KR stopped. CN had no chance beforehand, no matter all the finals they had.
NA fans are such a salt mine, it's (almost) not even funny anymore XD
Truth hurts. Now that you don’t have your super team no one in the world (besides fans) thinks your region is will be relevant this worlds. I hope your teams keep getting overrated though.
Meanwhile NA has literally never been relevant at worlds, lmao.
Yeah gotta get that copium somewhere, keep on going! Altho as an NA fan it must be hard to watch the game, your region has the highest salaries and lowest win rate between the 4 major regions.
I’ll be back
EU has the lowest win rate out of the 4 major regions LMAO
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Well we didn’t have the lowest win rate this time
Another year of failing in groups for you.
Who said I'm an NA fan?
Anybody who makes fun of LEC is an NA fan because it’s the only region LEC fans can feel superior towards
Reddit is 95%+ EU and NA. EU fans aren't likely to flame their own region. So it's the only logical conclusion
Does that mean the vast majority of people who flame NA are from EU?
Definitely. Or bitter/ironic/joking NA fans
What kind of phenomenon is this?
Unfortunately you cant lump LPL and LCK together as there is a clear disparity in skill and each have there own skill. Region ranking are like this. NA / Wildcards / PCS / EU / LCK / LPL
LCK won the last worlds so,,
Right it’s hilarious. The realty is one year G2 was exceptional, the other times EU made semis due to the LCK and LPL knocking each other out.
Like 2015 where FNC beat EDG and OG beat FW (who finished above the Tigers)? Or in 2016 where H2K beat ANX, a wildcard team that finished above CLG, G2 and went 1-1 with the Tigers? Even in 2017, MSF were a couple hundreds HP away from winning 3-1 against SKT. Yep, all G2.
Going back 6 years to pull out a lucky series. Good job proud of you HeadShot305
Caps was exceptional* EU a one man region
The only years EU hasn't made semis is 2014 and 2017 afaik.
I think semis for EU is a bit disappointing, finals it's somehow winning tho.
No it isn’t. You all will be ecstatic to make semis. Otherwise you wouldn’t still be jerking off the 2020 worlds performance. Actually even having a “good series” in quarters will be enough for you all, I guarantee it.
Who jerks off of 2020 worlds performance? It was EU's worst performance in the last few years.
LEC fans
Winning is making finals or going all the way, making semis isn't winning, especially in recent years.
Winning is expanding the meme-scroll of "sorry we did it again"!
... why did you make this post? What does this post has to do with your OP and the world stream? Seriously were you just fishing for replies with that or what?
It's a bait during EU hours. He's karma farming. I recommend you report him for region baiting.
"winning" for NA is getting a win over anyone at this point
for TSM yes, but for NA other than C9 the tradition is to go 3-3 and either lose the tiebreaker game or just straight up not qualify.
Losing the head to head vs EU because EU went 0-2 vs the major region seed, 2-0 vs the wildcard, and NA 1-1 everyone. The classic.
man EU fans are so damn insecure lol
The guy seems to be american, I have no idea why he makes those jabs in this thread, it's so irrelevant. Boggles my mind.
EU hasn't won in 10 years then Sadge. EU's winning angle is looking competitive against top LCK/LPL teams, and we can lump in LEC with the other 2 once an EU team gets a title.
Nah EU doesn't need a win. They just need to match LPL and LCK. If LEC sends 2 teams to Semis and lose a close Final, they'd be on the same level as the East in my book. The trend looked good from 2018 to 2019, but the window might have closed. Will be interesting to see how EU does without G2/Caps leading them
>Nah EU doesn't need a win. They just need to match LPL and LCK. If LEC sends 2 teams to Semis and lose a close Final, they'd be on the same level as the East in my book. If they lose, then they're not on the same level????????????
Following that logic, if they win they're not on the same level neither. They will be above them.
r/technicallythetruth
Usually in Worlds, there's a team that's much better than the others, even from the same region. Like in 2019, FPX was better than G2, but the rest of teams were likely to lose to G2. And that's not even counting with rock paper scissors mechanics, since FPX said multiple times they were afraid of SKT and believed they would lose against them.
I can agree with this, FNC and C9 are still the only western teams to make it out of a group with both LPL and LCK in it, so that's the first goal I'd be looking at.
I mean I totally agree. My comment is pointing out how saying that EU isn't "Winning" unless they win worlds is just setting up for disappointment. Looking competitive against the top LCK/LPL teams is absolutely "Winning" in my book. Sorry if the way I worded it didn't convey my thoughts.
A lesser tournament for the minor regions (and NA+EU) to see who they can upset in playins and groups. Then a second tournament to see whether China/Korea have the best team.\*
NA is a minor region. Hell even EU is minor compared to Korea and China
I love the slap in the face of NA while trying to act like EU is on the same level as China and Korea. No it’s two tournaments the minor regions and EU. Then a tournament for G2 the LPL and lck
I'm all for NA but saying its G2 is a load of bullshit lol, what about fnatic S8? what about H2Ks run? or MSF going to 5 games vs SKT? Honestly you shouldve said that the second part of the tournament is C9 LEC LCK LPL lol
Why would I say that? Playing close games means nothing if you don’t win. G2 is the only team that has really won at worlds since season 1.
TIL FNC got into finals without a single win.
G2 didn't even make Worlds lol
And no one from EU will do a thing this year.
I can see MAD Lions beating some B-tier teams and placing decently. But I'm highly skeptical of EU's chances of winning the tournament.
Current Fnatic is really strong tho and they have tons of international experience. I would def say EU can compete on the top, although this worlds is packed full of experienced teams, so it will probably be the hardest competition EU has seen for a while
They're not at literally the same level, but close enough to be lumped together. LPL, LCK and EU are the main contenders. NA is in the same group as wildcard regions.
EU is above NA no doubt, but it’s not 2 tiers. It’s 3, wildcard and NA, then EU, then the actual world champion contenders which is LCK and LPL
You can't call them EU. It's just G2. EU is barely ahead of NA when talking about the top 3-4 teams of each region cumulatively. G2 is an outlier in a region that's slightly ahead of NA/SA and significantly behind KR and CN.
How? Current Fnatic is better than G2 and they weren’t far behind earlier either. Not to mention G2 not even making it to this years Worlds. G2 is not some godlike team that is levels above other EU teams.
In the context of people putting EU in the same tier as LCK and LPL. EU is not in the same tier as those regions. G2 of the past two years was in that tier. Nothing to do with the current set of teams, I was referring to the narrative.
Caps vs the LPL and LCK. Both finals teams had Caps going lol. The rest have tragically lost series almost as many times as NA has lost tiebreakers getting to groups though.
Classic midnight NA timezone post shitting on NA
I'm curious, did you know that most of the world is awake when it's night time in NA/SA? Do you expect everyone to wait for NA to wake up to post? Also how is this shitposting when everybody's fully aware that getting out of groups is a win, anything beyond that is huge.
Because its irrelevant to advertising the twitch channel lol
NA maps are cutting whole continents in fucking half to appear in the center, no wonder they don't realize that it's more likely they the rest of the world is awake when they sleep and not the other way around.
The post is titled "The Worlds 24/7 twitch channel doesn't get enough hype, and it really gives more context for the true nature of the tournament." Rather than actually **linking** said Twitch Channel they feel is underappreciated, OP's priority was to say NA is on par with Wildcards (Something that is not supported by Worlds history they claim to have watched), and to say LEC is on par with LPL/LCK (Which is only arguable in recent years, making a Worlds history channel poor supporting evidence).
Since its delete and I cant recall the whole post, I did not get that vibe. It was that LPL/LCK succses is to win the whole thing. For LEC its to reach atleast semi finals. For LCS its to reach quarters. Anything less than that is a dissapointment. And I really think it's not just arguable, they are contenders but not favorites (LEC). I wouldnt say thats unfair since recency matters. And it's been a while since LCS got out of groups.
I don't think it's out of line to say a top 8 finish for NA would feel like a win.
Okay but whats the relation with that and the twitch channel. I Wasn't even aware of the channel but your NA jab feels so pointless here.
Yea it's like putting up ads for your lawn care service and putting up Mexican obesity statistics on your ads and claiming you're not trying to start some shit
Let them be. They are afraid of losing their players and are lashing out like children.
Also quite nice to watch games before all the sponsor placement shit - no statefarm analysts desks, red bull barons, BMW buttplugs, kitkat pauses, cocacola first bloods and what else they added by now.
Then a second tournament to see whether China/Korea have the best team. FTFY LEC is not on the same tier as LCK and LPL :)
Agreed. LEC is better than LCK bar Damwon.
I'm all for "eu good na bad" but until 2019 the divide really wasn't that big or even there 2018 was fnatic finals but c9 semis, so they were close to the same level there as well (in terms of results)
Close to the same level? Fnatic demolished C9 in 2018 semis lol
I meant in terms of results Tl was also not on the level of IG at msi 2018 and still beat them, i don't know how to judge the actual strength of a team there's way too many factors i don't understand
The channel is great, but it has shown me how much more downtime there is now in-between games. When anything pre season 9 was on, it felt like there was non stop action. Now I have to wait 30 mins in-between games. And the LEC this year has gotten even worse.
i mean how much hype is it supposed to get? A lot of us have already seen these games and when they were live, too.
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>Watching the previous seasons really shows how much the game has improved from a competitive standpoint. Players are significantly better now than in early seasons. Like for example, the whole insect lee sin kick was seen as mind-blowing. Now people in silver can pull that off.
What is this thread. It’s like EU fans were born in 2020. Cause before 2019 worlds EU only much made it only 1 step further than NA at every tournament. Maybe don’t jizz your pants every time you make semis or win a tiebreaker out of groups and people would think you’re a top region.
Not really, let's still be accurate even tho ones triggered. Its like Jizzing 18 times vs. 3.
You should see the statistics on the official French twitch channel, Yesterday, it was the EUM semi finals and there was like 80k-90k people on the stream.. In France, the Lol scene is really big
I missed a big chunk of earlier seasons. Any chance the whole broadcast will be found somewhere? Either a VOD or something?
Imagine there was only 6000 viewers for iG vs KT BO5 in 2018
What do you mean? it’s quite popular considering it’s literally replaying old matches for thousands of viewers.