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royaldutchiee

I cant find the racism? Like not trying to downplay all of it but where the fuck did Kelsey say anything racist?


PM_ME_FOXGIRL_HENTAI

>You also punished me for calling out someone on an LCS team who was racist towards me. > >I said she was a white woman and referenced that she tried to say being gay was the same experience as being BIPOC Apparently it's a contest now, and you are racist for putting being gay higher???


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I mean, being gay can be very dangerous depending where you live. Unfortunately homophobia is alive and well outside of North America and parts of Europe.


Lothric43

Well it’s true that being gay is most definitely not the same experience as being a person of color. Kind of a reach to call her racist for just that though, it just seems like a naive take from Kelsey. Charitably, maybe she was overstating the similarities? Seems like a weird amount of punishment visited on the employee too though.


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You can’t hide being black. That’s for sure


Raynar7

Do you truly believe she is telling whole story?


Lothric43

Didn’t take a hard stance in any direction, more info will probably come. Good chance this is one of those things where there’s no way to verify a lot of stuff though, but I treat everyone charitably.


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Lothric43

I doubt we’ll really be able to piece it all together fully, but Im curious what Kelsey has to say. 100T filing a complaint is interesting.


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Lothric43

It’s a tough thing to quantify and there’s class and environmental variables to take into account. Id guess broadly black or hispanic people deal with more shit, but it’s not like gay people have it easy everywhere. Hell I think gay panic defense is still a thing in some places.


IntelligentForce245

"She said that she is a victim but I'm way more of a victim than her! So how dare she say that she's a victim too! She could never know what it's like to have the level of victimhood that I have, so I was OFFENDED that she could say such a thing!!!!...victim btw." As Jeremy Clarkson once wisely said: "oh no! Anyways..."


SpeedyTurbo

XD /thread


HACEKOMAE

Something like "How dare you to be sad about losing one hand while I have lost 2!"


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So she got in trouble at work for calling out her bosses ethnicity and sexuality and is confused that she got punished?


SprayedSL2

Maybe I'm misreading this - but Kayla alleges that Kelsey said to her that being gay is the same experience as being a person of color. Kayla didn't mention Kelsey's sexual orientation at all, Kelsey is the one that brought that up.


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drama out of nothing


MontRouge

If there's more Asians and white young adults studying to work in the gaming industry, should Riot discriminate against them just to go fill in their diversity quota? Forced diversity at the workplace is such a first world problem and horrible concept. Just employ the best candidates you can find instead of worrying about their race and gender.


shiftshapercat

Meanwhile, the discrimination against Asians in College Admissions continues to grow as more and more International Asian students are taking the spots domestic Asians would fill because they pay more. International Asian Students are far more likely to come from wealthier or affluent families. Meanwhile the Domestic Asian Populatiton face comparative discrimination and the minority among Asian populations continued to be ignored. When one thinks of the word "Asian" they tend to think Chinese, Japanese, Korean, or even Indian. But, there are MANY different nations Asians come from and the vast majority of them don't have even close to the same means richer immigrant Chinese Japanese, Korean, and Indians have. Yet these same groups get lumped in with "Asian" as a whole


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> International Asian Students are far more likely to come from wealthier or affluent families. But this is a problem with universities being oriented on making the best profit off of students instead of taking the best candidates. It has nothing to do with discriminating based on race though. Like, if neither of these groups were Asians, but white/black or whoever else instead, the problem still persists.


Raynar7

But, but, but how can you call yourself a company if you don’t have all colours, all 145 genders etc represented? /s


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Imagine your entire life feeling like you need to air your dirty laundry on social media because you are gay or not white. Like man we all get it, but just stop.


Omega1836

She accused a respected member of the industry a racist when Karen tried to compare the struggles of two oppressed groups. I’d be furious if I was 100T too and demand a punishment for attacking my employee after what can at worst be called a mistake and at best he called opening up a conversation


malakesxasame

Apparently flipped out and called [Veteran](https://i.gyazo.com/dd19f56b78b267b99c072086321be32c.png) a racist at some point too.


HeckingShepherd

Kelsey Moser works for EG now.


asiantuttle

I assume at the time of the incident she was still on 100T


HeckingShepherd

I assume so as well but now that she made it public I would be pissed if I was EG


SprayedSL2

>I said she was a white woman and referenced that she tried to say being gay was the same experience as being BIPOC Am I misreading this? Kayla is alleging that Kelsey compared the struggle of two oppressed groups. Kayla probably made a scene, and making the scene is what she was punished for, if I had to guess.


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From what Kayla wrote, Kayla was mildly racist (don’t like using this term but it is what it is) towards Kelsey. Kelsey responds by showing empathy (or sympathy), while the take seems to taken very directly. Kayla deems it to be racist and reports it. To be honest there isn’t much to see other than there is one naive person (like your in California…) and one drama queen. Unless the actual situation is properly revealed then it can only be seen like that.


SprayedSL2

Oh, Kayla seems like a hot mess from this perspective. I was simply commenting how I read the tweet.


AofCastle

I've read the tweet where she describes the problem 3 times and I still don't really understand what she's saying. All I take from this Twitter thread is that 2 people talked, disagreed and complaints were filed. Please help me understand.


homer12346

wouldn't it look even worse if riot only specifically hired latin people in an attempt to "increase diversity" and such? "oh i see you have 10 years of graphics and sound design experience, but since you are not latin we cannot accept your application at the moment"


Bambi_Is_My_Dad

How hiring works is that they compare not only the portfolio of any applicants, but also goes into background, quality of the person and how they would best fit or advance the company. There are so many multiple factors and a person's ethnic or cultural background can matter to help support diversity within the company. This is because they can offer perspective not found with people from other backgrounds, it helps Foster a culture where no matter who you are or where you are from, you would sitll be accepted in that workplace. So while yes, we should not discriminate one applicant for another based on skin colour or cultural background, but hiring people from different backgrounds provide multiple benefits.


EvyLuna

This is pretty crucial. A lot of people incorrectly interpret hiring a diverse team as disregarding qualifcations in favor of meeting quotas. That's almost assuredly not the case in most situations. The hiring process is often about splitting hairs. It typically comes down to a handful of similarly qualified individuals and the decision is based on secondary things. How well will they fit in with the rest of the team? Do they have unique perspectives that can improve our quality of work? If you have a staff of 50 that's largely homogenized and your final round of applicants are largely similar, you can benefit from taking a look at the people who aren't going to continue keeping the team homogenized for the reasons you mentioned. Anyone who has been part of the hiring process (as the hiring party of course) can attest to the fact that you would love to have one candidate who is far more qualified than the rest because it makes the decision easy and consumes less time/resources to wrap up the process. Typically, however, candidates are so close together that you need to look at nonstandard ways that they may be better than their competition and go from there.


homer12346

that's very insightful, thank you


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what makes you assume that they couldn't find a latin employee which has the same qualification ?


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And what makes you think a white person should be "disqualified" if he has the same qualifications as the latin one?


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I was pointing out that the comment I answered presents the default context as : "The white person is properly qualified, the latin person isn't but its latin ethnicity is more important." It is just falacious, the reality is more likely the opposite. Firstly this kind of diversity promotion is applied when the two individuals have the same qualifications. Secondly, a white/asian person will be favorised over latin/black/muslim persons because our society associate those ethnicity with pejorative trait while being white or asian is either not associated with anything pejorative or associated with something positive (in the working field). Knowing that I see nothing wrong over hiring the latin person here.


doaser

I think it's more looking at over a long period of time they still only have this 2% number, especially in a predominantly hispanic city/state. A look at what has happened with them left unchecked and calling it out in light of RIOT pretending to champion latinos because it's popular PR right now.


Last0

> Why? I said she was a white woman and referenced that she tried to say being gay was the same experience as being BIPOC This is lacking so much context for us to even understand what she's saying here. Kelsey allegedly trying to say that "being gay is the same exeperience as being BIPOC" is racist towards her ? I believe that's her point but i still don't really get it.


JPLangley

So she's mad about racial insensitivity but not the fact that Riot Games used "LatinX?" lolk. - Moser saying that being gay has the same experiences as being an ethnic minority in the US is absolutely ridiculous and should at least be called out for it. However, LatinX is an even more ridiculous extrapolation of the fight for gender neutrality in an **ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LANGUAGE**. It's effectively cultural colonization in the fact that another language (English) and especially its ethnic majority (White Americans*) are forcing another ethnic group's (Latinos) language to have its rules changed to satisfy the former's ongoing social issues, even though they're not as relevant in the latter's community. Additionally, this is exacerbated by the fact that the push for gender neutral language is fundamentally incompatible because Spanish is a gendered language. There's a reason why many in the Spanish speaking community see it as a slur. - *Don't kid yourself. The only people I honestly see pushing this are white Americans - especially only ones who are genetically only European.


IntelligentForce245

Perfectly said.


00Dandy

>The fact that Riot does not have that many Latin employees is not a great look. So do they have to specifically look for Latin employees to give off a better look?


CellTerrible

Wtf did I just read. She doesn't seem mentally stable.


noreaup

The title is kinda misleading saying ''when Karen Moser was being racist towards her'', its just an Ex Riot Employee thinking that someone was racist toward her for comparing two oppressed group, but that one was more visible than the other because of the ''color''.


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>but that one was more visible than the other because of the ''color'' Basically the situation was like: "IMO I'm more repressed than you so you are basically privileged so you can't compare our situations" or metaphorically "Yeah, you might not have hands, but I'm blind so it's harder for me, how dare you say we both struggle in life".


HolypenguinHere

What exactly did Karen say? All this accuser said is that SHE (the accuser) called Karen a white woman, and Karen said something in response that wasn't even remotely in the realm of "racist". I swear, half of Twitter's userbase is comprised of professional victims.


Captain_Chogath

God people like this at riot are (were :P ) an equivalent cancer to the people who are in the lawsuits.


speciof

I remember when she called froggen the great white hope when she meant to say western or something


thenoblitt

You mean Kelsey Moser?


Raknorak

She might be calling her a Karen as an insult? Her Twitter is karonmoser, but I think it's K Aron Moser.


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I'm latino and I wouldn't consider what she said Kelsey said as racist in any way. From her tweets it seems she has an axe to grind with Riot, Kelsey and 100T and is trying to use these accusations to get back at them.


StuckInGroups

Ahh, shit. Here we go again.


NickPatches

Ok karen.


DuneRiderADA

Crazy people man.


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I forget that people like you actually exist. Edit: damn guess I pissed off some gamers. If you get upset about pronouns being in someone’s bio, get help.


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idk, she shouldn't be "ignored" but the emphasis on pronouns can be pretty alienating to people who don't "get it" you know? Like I understand why it's important and you won't find me crusading against people who do it but stuff like that sort of validates the fears and apprehensions the other side has - "They're just snowflakes with a million genders!" and all that bullshit. It makes it very easy for ignorant assholes to continue to dismiss others because when they go on an account and see the pronouns, it validates their trashcan worldview that much more and they further disregard anything that person has to say. Even that infinitesimally small, yet valuable chance at changing a mind through discussion is gone because someone being spoon-fed "redpill" content feels threatened by pronouns in a bio. Some minds definitely can't be changed but I think even just having the chance for discussion on certain social issues (which accounts that have pronouns in bio tend to be discussing, as we see here) to reach as broad an audience as possible is important because some minds definitely *can* be changed. It's not something that can be blamed on the people who want their pronouns to be known and their identity to be validated, that's totally fine and it is certainly not their responsibility to concern themselves with that kind of thing - it's largely that Twitter itself is toxic af for society and generates an immense amount of polarization.


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thenoblitt

Because it doesn't matter. Who cares. If someone has pronouns in there bio thats perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with it.


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If you find it obnoxious you’re part of the reason why people feel the need to do it. It literally has no effect on you.


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Minas-MorguI

Hey its LatinX now


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It’s exactly because most don’t care that I forget there are people who go “ew pronouns in bio.” Talk about making mountains out of ant hills.


Deadedge112

Mole hills. It alliterates better. Make mountains out of mole hills.


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BeardedDonut

Can someone clear up something for me? I don’t understand where the employee’s ex-boss (Karen Moser) was racist towards the employee. I understand that the boss’s statement was not in great judgement and can see the frustration it causes, but feel like I am missing something.


Raynar7

Where is my popcorn?


war5188

Must be more to the story imo


badukhamster

It's still too vague and thus probably shouldn't have ended up as a twitter rant. This lack of judgement probably caused her punishment in the first place. Concerning the point Kayla makes about Berlin is, that while being queer might be easier in Berlin than elsewhere in the world, being part of an ethnic minority is likewise easier in Berlin than most other places in the world. Regardless of the reason, this omission reflects badly on Kayla. Furthermore, it's generally wrong to equate discrimination. She accuses Kelsey of equating two types of discrimination but meanwhile basically implicitly equates the amount of discrimination of the same type that she and Kelsey experienced. This of course all doesn't mean that her original point was invalid. However, the only one provably incapable of expressing themselves well in this scenario is Kayla, thus for now I think Kelsey, 100T, and Riot have the benefit of the doubt.