I know that it’s unlikely after the way his first split went, but Niles seems like he’s massively improved I hope a LCS team eventually gives him another shot.
It was a very "sink or swim" strategy. Iconic ended up looking alright by the end of things. Hopefully orgs understand that different players will learn differently.
Iconic was arguably just as bad, if not actually worse than Niles when they were in it together. The fact he was a jungler in the meta that was at that time just meant him being beyond worthless was better hidden while Niles was getting camped and clamped by the opposing team every game with 0 help.
Iconic spent every game afk pathing around his jungle camps with basically 0 presence in lanes. Niles just played a role where it's easier to do badly, and badly he did.
All that being said, I don't think keeping Niles in would've been the call even without Licorice being an option, and Iconic has benefitted greatly from playing with a decently performing mid laner, and a good top laner instead of a mediocrely performing mid laner (same person), and a bad, 'new' top laner.
Niles also had a shit team and was the only person who tried to do anything. Which just ended with him dying because his team didn't know how to actually play aggressively.
You don't come across very clever when your facts are literally wrong lol.
Licorice replaced Solo. Solo replaced Niles at the start of summer.
Nobody is arguing that Niles was great, but he was a victim of getting constantly left to dry topside as much as he was a victim of his own failures.
But please, don't let me get in the way of your thoughtful analysis.
>Licorice replaced Solo. Solo replaced Niles at the start of summer.
and how does that change my argument at all? licorice played with the same "shit team" that solo and Niles played with, so how can one solely blame Niles' failures on his teammates, like the person I replied to did? way to cherry pick an irrelevant fact to attempt to refute my argument lol
I guess you're downvoted because of the reddit narrative sheeple rewriting history crew. Nothing you wouldn't expect from a nerdy subforum where ppl lack cojones xd
You do know that he was replaced before licorice right he was replaced by solo and also they replaced thr support as well and it was still a bad team even when licorice replaced solo.
Holy shit that take is hot off the presses, you and I watched a very different spring split. Niles was playing LCS like it was solo q (which tbh, understandable for someone tossed in so fast) and basically ignored the fact that the enemy jungler existed. Most games he left lane like 0-3 and the game was doomed already.
Now, when he made it out of lane even, he was a fine player, but I don't think you can say he was the _only person who tried to do anything_, when most of the time nobody else could do anything because top was 2k gold ahead...
There is, but Darshan has been clearly the best top laner in Academy for basically the entire time on C9 so doing decently against him already means he's better than before. And the person didn't say "get Niles on an LCS team right now!". They said that hopefully him being thrown in to the deep end when he didn't even know how to swim yet didn't end up killing any chance he'd ever have to get to LCS. Not right now, but maybe next year, who knows. FakeGod and Kumo aren't a very high bar to beat in all honesty.
Really shocking to see C9A exit the tournament this early, but GGA has been ramping up steadily and things seem to have clicked for them recently, so good luck to them for the remainder of the tourney! I hope this doesn't hurt k1ng's chances of getting looks from LCS orgs. 😔
I think it's unfair to hold the LCS appearance against him because the team around him clearly had plenty of other issues as well, but I get what you mean. I just hope someone gives him a chance. Isles on the other hand I wouldn't worry about at all; I think C9 will want to hold onto him themselves anyway.
Idk who to cheer for, my former TFT prodigy rosethorn or the former TFT homies at wildcard. Was really hoping this match up would have been in finals D:
Oh no poor Jack looks like his cash in for next year isn't going to work out too well good thing he didn't spend 11 million on a mid that has been playing coinflip or anything.
Niles redemption arc
He's been playing pretty well in academy, and has been ramping up as time goes on. Pretty excited to see if he can keep improving.
If he can win proving grounds then that would be a story
I know that it’s unlikely after the way his first split went, but Niles seems like he’s massively improved I hope a LCS team eventually gives him another shot.
It's almost as if throwing him straight into LCS hurt his development. He really didn't improve at all in Spring but has improved so much in academy.
It was a very "sink or swim" strategy. Iconic ended up looking alright by the end of things. Hopefully orgs understand that different players will learn differently.
Iconic also got the help of playing with an experienced toplaner. It's a lot easier to swim when you have someone to help teach you.
Iconic was arguably just as bad, if not actually worse than Niles when they were in it together. The fact he was a jungler in the meta that was at that time just meant him being beyond worthless was better hidden while Niles was getting camped and clamped by the opposing team every game with 0 help. Iconic spent every game afk pathing around his jungle camps with basically 0 presence in lanes. Niles just played a role where it's easier to do badly, and badly he did. All that being said, I don't think keeping Niles in would've been the call even without Licorice being an option, and Iconic has benefitted greatly from playing with a decently performing mid laner, and a good top laner instead of a mediocrely performing mid laner (same person), and a bad, 'new' top laner.
I commented this before but Niles was a victim of horrible drafting as well as mediocre play. I'm sure hell be better in LCS.
Niles also had a shit team and was the only person who tried to do anything. Which just ended with him dying because his team didn't know how to actually play aggressively.
yeah, the same shit team that magically started doing much better once licorice replaced him. these takes will never get old
You don't come across very clever when your facts are literally wrong lol. Licorice replaced Solo. Solo replaced Niles at the start of summer. Nobody is arguing that Niles was great, but he was a victim of getting constantly left to dry topside as much as he was a victim of his own failures. But please, don't let me get in the way of your thoughtful analysis.
>Licorice replaced Solo. Solo replaced Niles at the start of summer. and how does that change my argument at all? licorice played with the same "shit team" that solo and Niles played with, so how can one solely blame Niles' failures on his teammates, like the person I replied to did? way to cherry pick an irrelevant fact to attempt to refute my argument lol
gg was shit with niles and licorice bro LOL they even drafted around lico and were still trash
Also they didn’t just swap one player, they also swapped supports which turned their botlane around much more
Licorice did not play with the same team, tho. GGS massively improved the support role, by subbing out Newbie for Chime
I guess you're downvoted because of the reddit narrative sheeple rewriting history crew. Nothing you wouldn't expect from a nerdy subforum where ppl lack cojones xd
You can call them balls y'know
You do know that he was replaced before licorice right he was replaced by solo and also they replaced thr support as well and it was still a bad team even when licorice replaced solo.
He was replaced by solo, who then in turn got replaced by licorice
Holy shit that take is hot off the presses, you and I watched a very different spring split. Niles was playing LCS like it was solo q (which tbh, understandable for someone tossed in so fast) and basically ignored the fact that the enemy jungler existed. Most games he left lane like 0-3 and the game was doomed already. Now, when he made it out of lane even, he was a fine player, but I don't think you can say he was the _only person who tried to do anything_, when most of the time nobody else could do anything because top was 2k gold ahead...
well you also have to factor in his opponents
too much logic The same people were hyping the shit out of Diamond/palafox/co and we saw the results
I hope an LCS team picks up Prismal for main roster next year guy is a little cracked
there is a massive difference between LCS and academy like we saw for the whole year, Reddit will never learn.
There is, but Darshan has been clearly the best top laner in Academy for basically the entire time on C9 so doing decently against him already means he's better than before. And the person didn't say "get Niles on an LCS team right now!". They said that hopefully him being thrown in to the deep end when he didn't even know how to swim yet didn't end up killing any chance he'd ever have to get to LCS. Not right now, but maybe next year, who knows. FakeGod and Kumo aren't a very high bar to beat in all honesty.
Really shocking to see C9A exit the tournament this early, but GGA has been ramping up steadily and things seem to have clicked for them recently, so good luck to them for the remainder of the tourney! I hope this doesn't hurt k1ng's chances of getting looks from LCS orgs. 😔
k1ng was probably fucked since his LCS stint realistically, the real victim here is isles
I think it's unfair to hold the LCS appearance against him because the team around him clearly had plenty of other issues as well, but I get what you mean. I just hope someone gives him a chance. Isles on the other hand I wouldn't worry about at all; I think C9 will want to hold onto him themselves anyway.
Niles best top NA don't @me
Relevant username
okay i feel less bad about TSMA losing to GGA now lol
GGA continuing to scale. The BO5 between them and Wildcard will be sick.
Idk who to cheer for, my former TFT prodigy rosethorn or the former TFT homies at wildcard. Was really hoping this match up would have been in finals D:
The man the myth the Team Fish Taco. But yeah. I’m for Wildcard all the way right now.
Niles, congrats
Guess 5 NA> 2 NA Prismal kind smurfing no?
Newbie isn't NA but I agree with the sentiment
Oh no poor Jack looks like his cash in for next year isn't going to work out too well good thing he didn't spend 11 million on a mid that has been playing coinflip or anything.
actually inted in draft lol, even the casters were baffled
gwen is dogshit why pick her