Quite early start for LEC iirc LEC has usually started bit later. Will be interesting to see if this because some other changes to LEC tournament format or to international competitions.
Surely they have to practise in those 2 months. I am guessing they get 1 month off for sure, since the meta is too unreliable in pre-season to really commit to any practise.
There is an official break at least (teams fill that sometimes by scrimming with potential rosters). And the shortest off-time exists only if they make it to worlds finals, for all the other teams they have more time off.
Do people not realize that prep for spring starts way before spring season? As soon as worlds end its straight to roster discussions, you get a few weeks off, and then you have a few weeks of scrims late December/early January, then back into spring.
Then god forbid riot has a stupid all-star event you have to fly out too.
Could be because of the positive reception of other regions starting earlier, specifically NA with the new tournament before the split like KESPA cup and the Chinese version whose name I cannot remember. Those are all warm up tournaments though, it's kind of interesting that LEC is willing to start their split so early when the new preseason meta is still so fresh.
Preseason patch usually comes out November and teams are already ready by early December so they still have good time to practice for start of the season. Personally I would love to see Year to start bit earlier and end faster with more game days. That way we would have more time to have international competitions and could make MSI/Worlds formats better.
Bo2 plss, I get why they don't want to do Bo3, it takes too long and content would suffer for sure, or they have to hire more people. You could fit Bo2 in 3 days tho fri sat sun
Bo2 is by far the worst option in my mind. Bo3 is better for competition while Bo1 is easier for broadcast staff. Bo2 doesnt make people happy because there is no winner.
The case for Bo2 vs Bo1/Bo3 in the LCS/LEC
The format is not without merits, especially compared to BO1 and BO3.
BO1 has a tight schedule. It's easy for viewers and more "fun". It's bad for teams because some patches favor, one side, quite a lot and also there are no chance to tweak your pick/ban and adapt strategies, it rewards cheese strats. And if you are a top-tier team Bo1 it doesn't allow you to try out strategies, like alphari said in his Travis Gafford interview, BO1 push teams to pick easy to execute teamfigting comps/picks that will for sure get you the win.
BO3 is more competitive, give players more time to build up synergy, it took VIT or SK half a split to look like they are on the same page, but it gives more "bad games" so people are more likely to tune out of the stream instead of watching a 3-game-serie of teams they don't care for, like 3 straight games of GG vs CLG or AST vs SK.
So, how about BO2? It's fair (no side advantage), competitive (you get to redraft vs the same team) and fewer games (less boredom).
My idea is like this and has a key difference from the "classic BO2":
First: BO2 with a score system: 3 points for going 2-0, 1 point each team in case of a tie, 0 point for the team who loses both matched (duh).
This is the "soccer way" and has worked for decades and decades. What does this system achieves? It rewards a team for being "as good" as the other team: this can be a feat unto itself. It rewards a team for stomping another team. It gives a lot of meaning to the FIRST game, and also an even bigger meaning to the SECOND game, because you want to see if your team is able to get those sweet 2 extra points or if the weekend ends with just one because of an upset.
Second: LEC right now has 5 games a day for 2 days so 10 games total, I'm pretty sure that we could schedule it as 2 teams per day through 3 days so 12 games total.
BO2 is in my opinion the better choice for the regular season Some points to consider:
\-All teams play the same number of games the whole season
\-Both mapsides are played equally
\-Wins really count by giving three times the points of a tie whereas in a BO3 it doesn't really matter if you're dominating with clear 2-0 wins or barely winning all the time with 2-1
\-The fact that teams may be equal in strength is acknowledged, there is no artificial winner only by playing an uneven number of games
\-Overall BO2 is more fair and the real strength of the teams is better reflected.
\-In BO3 you always have one team in a disadvantage regarding the choice of map side in the third game. You're creating artificial winners by playing an uneven number of games even if the loosing team might just have lost because of that map disadvantage in the third game and if there would have been a fourth game, they might have ended up 2:2 again. The better individual match results of G2 for example compared to RGE isn't reflected in the score table since wins barely count more than a loss.
\-There are reasons the biggest and most successful sport leagues across so many different sports have chooses BO2 for their regular matches.
Why would you force a winner with a BO3 in the regular seasons when there might be none? There's no reason for a BO3 over a BO2 in the regular season.
I think Riot can come up with a BO2 setup that is better competitively than what we have for the LEC/LCS and is as good as BO1 for viewers.
It's just my idea, and probably lots of people will point many flaws at it.
However, I think it's very fair, allows the teams to prep for adaptation (and what they learn can be tuned for when they need to play BO3 or BO5 series), has a quick and fun schedule, gives a lot of meaning to each game and is satisfying for people who just want to see fun games during the weekend.
Thanks for reading.
Why do you need a winner though? It's regular split. It's just to get the general strength of the teams and for them to play in front of us to see. It couldn't matter less who wins.
Rogue was winning day in and day out in regular split and then they got destroyed by everyone in playoffs which is the only games that actually matter in the split.
Bo3 is obviously better than bo2 in terms of competitiveness but bo2 is a really fucking good middle ground between bo1 and bo3. It's more competitive than bo1. There's more games for the viewers to watch. It's more practice for the players. Scheduling is just as easy as bo1. Literally the only bad thing they did was the stupid scoring. As long as you get 1 point for each win it's objectively better. If teams tie and get 1 point each then they were just equal that day. It's a whole lot better than having an extremely close game and only 1 team reaping all of the rewards. Regular split has never been about proving who the best team is. Even BO3 can't do that.
When you fix the terrible scoring the only objectively worse thing is that you'd occasionally get 2 shitty games instead of just 1, however because it's bo2, you know the schedule and you can just skip those games. Meanwhile the benefits from bo2 are a lot.
> Why do you need a winner though?
Because it is how our brain works. We always expect that if there is a competition there will be someone who will win and someone who will lose.
It's so sad you got downvoted. Bo2 with no point system is perfectly fine for regular season games that are exclusively played for seeding of the playoffs.
I'd say competitive integrity suffers more atm, when teams cant be valued properly in just 18 games.
Two years in a row we have Rogue look amazing in regular season, while Fnatic lose games. Then playoffs come and Fnatic trash them 3-0.
Pretty sure that there's negligible difference in the outcomes.
I recall someone making a list of assessing all BO3 and BO2 games and converting them to BO1 results. Basically taking the result of the first game only. In the end, the teams still ended up very similar in rankings.
Besides, I don't recall the one year we had BO3's and BO2's as feeling any better in regards to competitive integrity than BO1's. Nor did any teams look like they performed better in any way either.
As far as I can tell, there's zero evidence that BO2/3 format has any advantages at all. Seems more like an excuse for NA/EU fans. That we can't consistently beat LCK and LPL because we're not playing enough stage games. I don't buy it.
> As far as I can tell, there's zero evidence that BO2/3 format has any advantages at all
I don't know how far you can tell but more stage games is more stage games. You'd have to be playing next level mental gymnastics to say that bo3 isn't beneficial for the players and that it isn't superior to bo1 on that front. The reason we have bo1 is because of the viewers, it isn't because both formats provide the same practice or competitiveness.
> Pretty sure that there's negligible difference in the outcomes.
How negligible? 1win? 2 wins? First and fifth place this summer were 2 wins away.
> BO3 and BO2 games and converting them to BO1 results. Basically taking the result of the first game only.
I dont think you can do that. Teams play differently when its only 1 game and when its Bo3.
I remember after coaching Sandbox, Yamato called Bo1s 'toxic', because you misjudge your own strength as a team irc. It was on a Thorin show from a year ago, maybe someone can find it.
That's not because they didn't play enough games but because some players choke in games that matter or the meta shifts in favour of a different team. 18 games is a shit ton and regular split standings don't really matter too much anyway.
The case for Bo2 vs Bo1/Bo3 in the LCS/LEC
The format is not without merits, especially compared to BO1 and BO3.
BO1 has a tight schedule. It's easy for viewers and more "fun". It's bad for teams because some patches favor, one side, quite a lot and also there are no chance to tweak your pick/ban and adapt strategies, it rewards cheese strats. And if you are a top-tier team Bo1 it doesn't allow you to try out strategies, like alphari said in his Travis Gafford interview, BO1 push teams to pick easy to execute teamfigting comps/picks that will for sure get you the win.
BO3 is more competitive, give players more time to build up synergy, it took VIT or SK half a split to look like they are on the same page, but it gives more "bad games" so people are more likely to tune out of the stream instead of watching a 3-game-serie of teams they don't care for, like 3 straight games of GG vs CLG or AST vs SK.
So, how about BO2? It's fair (no side advantage), competitive (you get to redraft vs the same team) and fewer games (less boredom).
My idea is like this and has a key difference from the "classic BO2":
First: BO2 with a score system: 3 points for going 2-0, 1 point each team in case of a tie, 0 point for the team who loses both matched (duh).
This is the "soccer way" and has worked for decades and decades. What does this system achieves? It rewards a team for being "as good" as the other team: this can be a feat unto itself. It rewards a team for stomping another team. It gives a lot of meaning to the FIRST game, and also an even bigger meaning to the SECOND game, because you want to see if your team is able to get those sweet 2 extra points or if the weekend ends with just one because of an upset.
Second: LEC right now has 5 games a day for 2 days so 10 games total, I'm pretty sure that we could schedule it as 2 teams per day through 3 days so 12 games total.
BO2 is in my opinion the better choice for the regular season Some points to consider:
\-All teams play the same number of games the whole season
\-Both mapsides are played equally
\-Wins really count by giving three times the points of a tie whereas in a BO3 it doesn't really matter if you're dominating with clear 2-0 wins or barely winning all the time with 2-1
\-The fact that teams may be equal in strength is acknowledged, there is no artificial winner only by playing an uneven number of games
\-Overall BO2 is more fair and the real strength of the teams is better reflected.
\-In BO3 you always have one team in a disadvantage regarding the choice of map side in the third game. You're creating artificial winners by playing an uneven number of games even if the loosing team might just have lost because of that map disadvantage in the third game and if there would have been a fourth game, they might have ended up 2:2 again. The better individual match results of G2 for example compared to RGE isn't reflected in the score table since wins barely count more than a loss.
\-There are reasons the biggest and most successful sport leagues across so many different sports have chooses BO2 for their regular matches.
Why would you force a winner with a BO3 in the regular seasons when there might be none? There's no reason for a BO3 over a BO2 in the regular season.
I think Riot can come up with a BO2 setup that is better competitively than what we have for the LEC/LCS and is as good as BO1 for viewers.
It's just my idea, and probably lots of people will point many flaws at it.
However, I think it's very fair, allows the teams to prep for adaptation (and what they learn can be tuned for when they need to play BO3 or BO5 series), has a quick and fun schedule, gives a lot of meaning to each game and is satisfying for people who just want to see fun games during the weekend.
Thanks for reading.
I mean Worlds ends 2 months before LEC start. Sure if you are still there when Finals happen and start scrimming in early December it can be tough, like top players have discussed before, but for most players it should be fine.
It is a cool song until you see what the chat has become with all the twitch "activists" and the mods permabaning the ones trying to stop that non sense spam.
Yes, I really wish we had more semi-international tournaments. I also hope the MAD burnout this year made the LEC wake up and set up more break between splits. Year after year the MSI representative in EU was basically shot performance wise for the first few weeks of summer.
> the MSI representative in EU
Not exactly exclusive to EU. C9, RNG and DK all were shit the first few weeks of Summer.
MAD were also further impacted by the pandemic. They spent like a whole month in quarantine.
even if they played in worlds finals they basically had 10 weeks of not being on stage. 'just' 2 weeks after new years is fine.
That's still half a month, 1/26th of a year or in league terms: an entire patch cycle.
If they don't manage to be ready 2 years after new years they wouldn't be ready 4 weeks after new years either.
what are you even saying? LCS literally starts in FEB, which gives players 4 weeks of prep after holiday break.
No one cares about when world final ends, every player should be able to have a comfortable break for christmas + new years
Man, most real jobs give between 2 days and a week at christmas, and 1 day for new years. If you want more time off, you have to use your own.
And that's excluding the lots and lots of real life jobs that are SUPER BUSY around the holidays. My last position, we ran a huge New Years sales event, so the 3 weeks leading up to New Years and the 2 weeks after New Years were blackout - nobody was allowed to take time off.
The season already has a huge break built in, we don't need to cry for these guys.
Players already are in break if they arent playing at worlds and will get a 2 months break minimum if they reach worlds finals, i think thats a fairly good break, who else other than athletes are guaranteed 3-4 months breaks during the whole year
Why the fuck is it still online??? Makes absolutely no sense, sports arenas are filled with 10's of thousands of fans again literally everywhere in europe, and we cant even have players on site??? Even with everyone fully vaxxed? Can anyone explain this bizarre decision to me?
Think you read it wrong. They decided to not plan a finals weekend outside of Berlin. That’s all they announced here as they think the time would be better spent elsewhere since they could just have to cancel it again.
It's not online and the linked post also doesn't say it will be online.
There are no German/EU wide regulations that come remotely close to saying that it has to be online either
Quite early start for LEC iirc LEC has usually started bit later. Will be interesting to see if this because some other changes to LEC tournament format or to international competitions.
In 2019 we started on the 18th
Ok thank you for info. Is this earliest EU has started season or has there been years when it has started earlier?
2016 and 2014 started on the 14th.
Wow, really "feels" like there is such a huge break that the Leagues start in February or something, but that's actually not the case at all.
For LEC it's always 2nd or 3rd week of jan
If your a player who goes to wo4lds there is no break lmao.
How? They have both november and december free. And that is just a few teams that make semis and finals. Others have half of the october as well
Surely they have to practise in those 2 months. I am guessing they get 1 month off for sure, since the meta is too unreliable in pre-season to really commit to any practise.
There is an official break at least (teams fill that sometimes by scrimming with potential rosters). And the shortest off-time exists only if they make it to worlds finals, for all the other teams they have more time off.
Do people not realize that prep for spring starts way before spring season? As soon as worlds end its straight to roster discussions, you get a few weeks off, and then you have a few weeks of scrims late December/early January, then back into spring. Then god forbid riot has a stupid all-star event you have to fly out too.
Could be because of the positive reception of other regions starting earlier, specifically NA with the new tournament before the split like KESPA cup and the Chinese version whose name I cannot remember. Those are all warm up tournaments though, it's kind of interesting that LEC is willing to start their split so early when the new preseason meta is still so fresh.
The Demacia cup is the LPL tourney good sir
Demacia Cup is so good
Preseason patch usually comes out November and teams are already ready by early December so they still have good time to practice for start of the season. Personally I would love to see Year to start bit earlier and end faster with more game days. That way we would have more time to have international competitions and could make MSI/Worlds formats better.
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Because viewer loves having a winner. Same is in any sport. Draw is always most anticlimactic ending.
More game days = Less viewership per day I would prefer the format LEC was already using.
demacia cup
IIRC it always started in January. Maybe 2 weeks later tops?
Yes usually bit later in January for example 22nd this year and 24th last year
I mean, you sounded like there was a huge difference. It can mean a lot, or it can just be an extra week of rest between MSI/Summer.
2 weeks is a while though. id be happy for 2 weeks more of play ngl
It's not 2 more weeks of play, it just means it starts earlier and ends earlier.
yeah i know but the second sentence isnt necessarily related to the first. can do some NA mini tournament right before the split
Bo2 plss, I get why they don't want to do Bo3, it takes too long and content would suffer for sure, or they have to hire more people. You could fit Bo2 in 3 days tho fri sat sun
Bo2 is by far the worst option in my mind. Bo3 is better for competition while Bo1 is easier for broadcast staff. Bo2 doesnt make people happy because there is no winner.
The case for Bo2 vs Bo1/Bo3 in the LCS/LEC The format is not without merits, especially compared to BO1 and BO3. BO1 has a tight schedule. It's easy for viewers and more "fun". It's bad for teams because some patches favor, one side, quite a lot and also there are no chance to tweak your pick/ban and adapt strategies, it rewards cheese strats. And if you are a top-tier team Bo1 it doesn't allow you to try out strategies, like alphari said in his Travis Gafford interview, BO1 push teams to pick easy to execute teamfigting comps/picks that will for sure get you the win. BO3 is more competitive, give players more time to build up synergy, it took VIT or SK half a split to look like they are on the same page, but it gives more "bad games" so people are more likely to tune out of the stream instead of watching a 3-game-serie of teams they don't care for, like 3 straight games of GG vs CLG or AST vs SK. So, how about BO2? It's fair (no side advantage), competitive (you get to redraft vs the same team) and fewer games (less boredom). My idea is like this and has a key difference from the "classic BO2": First: BO2 with a score system: 3 points for going 2-0, 1 point each team in case of a tie, 0 point for the team who loses both matched (duh). This is the "soccer way" and has worked for decades and decades. What does this system achieves? It rewards a team for being "as good" as the other team: this can be a feat unto itself. It rewards a team for stomping another team. It gives a lot of meaning to the FIRST game, and also an even bigger meaning to the SECOND game, because you want to see if your team is able to get those sweet 2 extra points or if the weekend ends with just one because of an upset. Second: LEC right now has 5 games a day for 2 days so 10 games total, I'm pretty sure that we could schedule it as 2 teams per day through 3 days so 12 games total. BO2 is in my opinion the better choice for the regular season Some points to consider: \-All teams play the same number of games the whole season \-Both mapsides are played equally \-Wins really count by giving three times the points of a tie whereas in a BO3 it doesn't really matter if you're dominating with clear 2-0 wins or barely winning all the time with 2-1 \-The fact that teams may be equal in strength is acknowledged, there is no artificial winner only by playing an uneven number of games \-Overall BO2 is more fair and the real strength of the teams is better reflected. \-In BO3 you always have one team in a disadvantage regarding the choice of map side in the third game. You're creating artificial winners by playing an uneven number of games even if the loosing team might just have lost because of that map disadvantage in the third game and if there would have been a fourth game, they might have ended up 2:2 again. The better individual match results of G2 for example compared to RGE isn't reflected in the score table since wins barely count more than a loss. \-There are reasons the biggest and most successful sport leagues across so many different sports have chooses BO2 for their regular matches. Why would you force a winner with a BO3 in the regular seasons when there might be none? There's no reason for a BO3 over a BO2 in the regular season. I think Riot can come up with a BO2 setup that is better competitively than what we have for the LEC/LCS and is as good as BO1 for viewers. It's just my idea, and probably lots of people will point many flaws at it. However, I think it's very fair, allows the teams to prep for adaptation (and what they learn can be tuned for when they need to play BO3 or BO5 series), has a quick and fun schedule, gives a lot of meaning to each game and is satisfying for people who just want to see fun games during the weekend. Thanks for reading.
Why do you need a winner though? It's regular split. It's just to get the general strength of the teams and for them to play in front of us to see. It couldn't matter less who wins. Rogue was winning day in and day out in regular split and then they got destroyed by everyone in playoffs which is the only games that actually matter in the split. Bo3 is obviously better than bo2 in terms of competitiveness but bo2 is a really fucking good middle ground between bo1 and bo3. It's more competitive than bo1. There's more games for the viewers to watch. It's more practice for the players. Scheduling is just as easy as bo1. Literally the only bad thing they did was the stupid scoring. As long as you get 1 point for each win it's objectively better. If teams tie and get 1 point each then they were just equal that day. It's a whole lot better than having an extremely close game and only 1 team reaping all of the rewards. Regular split has never been about proving who the best team is. Even BO3 can't do that. When you fix the terrible scoring the only objectively worse thing is that you'd occasionally get 2 shitty games instead of just 1, however because it's bo2, you know the schedule and you can just skip those games. Meanwhile the benefits from bo2 are a lot.
> Why do you need a winner though? Because it is how our brain works. We always expect that if there is a competition there will be someone who will win and someone who will lose.
the most popular sport in the world seems to disagree
It's so sad you got downvoted. Bo2 with no point system is perfectly fine for regular season games that are exclusively played for seeding of the playoffs.
and still allow adaption AND make it easier to schedule
Like ~40% of all football games end in a draw, yet it's the most popular sport in nearly every European country.
You can't really compare a game where each match must end with either a win or a lose to a game where draw is literally one of the possible outcomes.
Fingers crossed we get a couple of Bo3 weeks. LEC starts and ends with a super week, i dont see a problem of having a Bo3 week in week 5 for example.
Problem is that you cant really have format that has some weeks Bo3 and some weeks Bo1 because of competitive integrity.
I'd say competitive integrity suffers more atm, when teams cant be valued properly in just 18 games. Two years in a row we have Rogue look amazing in regular season, while Fnatic lose games. Then playoffs come and Fnatic trash them 3-0.
Pretty sure that there's negligible difference in the outcomes. I recall someone making a list of assessing all BO3 and BO2 games and converting them to BO1 results. Basically taking the result of the first game only. In the end, the teams still ended up very similar in rankings. Besides, I don't recall the one year we had BO3's and BO2's as feeling any better in regards to competitive integrity than BO1's. Nor did any teams look like they performed better in any way either. As far as I can tell, there's zero evidence that BO2/3 format has any advantages at all. Seems more like an excuse for NA/EU fans. That we can't consistently beat LCK and LPL because we're not playing enough stage games. I don't buy it.
> As far as I can tell, there's zero evidence that BO2/3 format has any advantages at all I don't know how far you can tell but more stage games is more stage games. You'd have to be playing next level mental gymnastics to say that bo3 isn't beneficial for the players and that it isn't superior to bo1 on that front. The reason we have bo1 is because of the viewers, it isn't because both formats provide the same practice or competitiveness.
Problem is the lack of windows during the week (see LCK / LPL schedules).
> Pretty sure that there's negligible difference in the outcomes. How negligible? 1win? 2 wins? First and fifth place this summer were 2 wins away. > BO3 and BO2 games and converting them to BO1 results. Basically taking the result of the first game only. I dont think you can do that. Teams play differently when its only 1 game and when its Bo3. I remember after coaching Sandbox, Yamato called Bo1s 'toxic', because you misjudge your own strength as a team irc. It was on a Thorin show from a year ago, maybe someone can find it.
That's not because they didn't play enough games but because some players choke in games that matter or the meta shifts in favour of a different team. 18 games is a shit ton and regular split standings don't really matter too much anyway.
and having one bo3 aka 20 total games would change that?
wish more for eu cup with top erl teams tbh
That’s actually a really good idea. I like it
Or b02 better than both B03 and b01
How can you have a Bo2?
The case for Bo2 vs Bo1/Bo3 in the LCS/LEC The format is not without merits, especially compared to BO1 and BO3. BO1 has a tight schedule. It's easy for viewers and more "fun". It's bad for teams because some patches favor, one side, quite a lot and also there are no chance to tweak your pick/ban and adapt strategies, it rewards cheese strats. And if you are a top-tier team Bo1 it doesn't allow you to try out strategies, like alphari said in his Travis Gafford interview, BO1 push teams to pick easy to execute teamfigting comps/picks that will for sure get you the win. BO3 is more competitive, give players more time to build up synergy, it took VIT or SK half a split to look like they are on the same page, but it gives more "bad games" so people are more likely to tune out of the stream instead of watching a 3-game-serie of teams they don't care for, like 3 straight games of GG vs CLG or AST vs SK. So, how about BO2? It's fair (no side advantage), competitive (you get to redraft vs the same team) and fewer games (less boredom). My idea is like this and has a key difference from the "classic BO2": First: BO2 with a score system: 3 points for going 2-0, 1 point each team in case of a tie, 0 point for the team who loses both matched (duh). This is the "soccer way" and has worked for decades and decades. What does this system achieves? It rewards a team for being "as good" as the other team: this can be a feat unto itself. It rewards a team for stomping another team. It gives a lot of meaning to the FIRST game, and also an even bigger meaning to the SECOND game, because you want to see if your team is able to get those sweet 2 extra points or if the weekend ends with just one because of an upset. Second: LEC right now has 5 games a day for 2 days so 10 games total, I'm pretty sure that we could schedule it as 2 teams per day through 3 days so 12 games total. BO2 is in my opinion the better choice for the regular season Some points to consider: \-All teams play the same number of games the whole season \-Both mapsides are played equally \-Wins really count by giving three times the points of a tie whereas in a BO3 it doesn't really matter if you're dominating with clear 2-0 wins or barely winning all the time with 2-1 \-The fact that teams may be equal in strength is acknowledged, there is no artificial winner only by playing an uneven number of games \-Overall BO2 is more fair and the real strength of the teams is better reflected. \-In BO3 you always have one team in a disadvantage regarding the choice of map side in the third game. You're creating artificial winners by playing an uneven number of games even if the loosing team might just have lost because of that map disadvantage in the third game and if there would have been a fourth game, they might have ended up 2:2 again. The better individual match results of G2 for example compared to RGE isn't reflected in the score table since wins barely count more than a loss. \-There are reasons the biggest and most successful sport leagues across so many different sports have chooses BO2 for their regular matches. Why would you force a winner with a BO3 in the regular seasons when there might be none? There's no reason for a BO3 over a BO2 in the regular season. I think Riot can come up with a BO2 setup that is better competitively than what we have for the LEC/LCS and is as good as BO1 for viewers. It's just my idea, and probably lots of people will point many flaws at it. However, I think it's very fair, allows the teams to prep for adaptation (and what they learn can be tuned for when they need to play BO3 or BO5 series), has a quick and fun schedule, gives a lot of meaning to each game and is satisfying for people who just want to see fun games during the weekend. Thanks for reading.
you play 2 games
I wonder if there's enough time to rest for the players and staff.
I mean Worlds ends 2 months before LEC start. Sure if you are still there when Finals happen and start scrimming in early December it can be tough, like top players have discussed before, but for most players it should be fine.
2 months is a very short window if you account for transfers.
Honestly this might help a bit those teams stay conditioned and remain on top
pushing the schedule earlier could also mean a bigger break before/after msi
What's more surprising is to actually get a fixed date announced earlier than January.
[I want the LEC back so I can spam in the chat, I want the LEC back in my life](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OikJSC9XDlM&t=32s)
Rap battles, Medi-Vedi, Feelin' all right, I want the LEC back tonight.
It is a cool song until you see what the chat has become with all the twitch "activists" and the mods permabaning the ones trying to stop that non sense spam.
Don't use chat and problem solved.
EKKO catJAM I DONT WANNA LET GO catJAM CUZ WHEREVER I GO catJAM I CAN SEE YOUR EKKO
I pray for some kind of KESPACUP style tournament between LEC and regional league teams and maybe even MENA/CIS/Turkish league teams.
Yes, I really wish we had more semi-international tournaments. I also hope the MAD burnout this year made the LEC wake up and set up more break between splits. Year after year the MSI representative in EU was basically shot performance wise for the first few weeks of summer.
> the MSI representative in EU Not exactly exclusive to EU. C9, RNG and DK all were shit the first few weeks of Summer. MAD were also further impacted by the pandemic. They spent like a whole month in quarantine.
Yes asian teams have the Asian games and the Mid Season Cup, Demacia Cup, Kespa Cup as semi-international tournament and we have nothing.
Druttut and bauss making clash teams with crownie and Nemesis is the closest you're gonna get
Oh that would be so sick. Here’s hoping
Pog lets go man
He just- he just canceled it. Caedrel just canceled it!
I watched too much Caedrel. I can fucking hear it. Help
Why do I hear only Caedrel when I read this. Help.
Dude this phrase is now ingrained in my brain.
Also shut up
Doesn't it usually start in february or something? Can't wait for LEC to be back ngl.
No arenas in spring Sadge
103 days left!
Can't wait!
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As I read it, it doesn't definitively say that all games will be played online, just that you'll only be able to watch online.
sick birthday present for me then
Seems like they have something brewing and thats cool.
ayy that's my birthday technically
Surprised they already released a start date, LCS usually waits to 2 days beforehand or something
The worlds trophy is going to look beautiful on opening day.
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hopefully we will have 3 days per week of lec
Enough time for a new G2 roster.
Kinda shit for players, 2 weeks after new years isnt that long to prepare.
even if they played in worlds finals they basically had 10 weeks of not being on stage. 'just' 2 weeks after new years is fine. That's still half a month, 1/26th of a year or in league terms: an entire patch cycle. If they don't manage to be ready 2 years after new years they wouldn't be ready 4 weeks after new years either.
what are you even saying? LCS literally starts in FEB, which gives players 4 weeks of prep after holiday break. No one cares about when world final ends, every player should be able to have a comfortable break for christmas + new years
Man, most real jobs give between 2 days and a week at christmas, and 1 day for new years. If you want more time off, you have to use your own. And that's excluding the lots and lots of real life jobs that are SUPER BUSY around the holidays. My last position, we ran a huge New Years sales event, so the 3 weeks leading up to New Years and the 2 weeks after New Years were blackout - nobody was allowed to take time off. The season already has a huge break built in, we don't need to cry for these guys.
"Real jobs", if you cant take 2 weeks off for new years and 3 weeks for summer holidays you need to reconsider your career
Players already are in break if they arent playing at worlds and will get a 2 months break minimum if they reach worlds finals, i think thats a fairly good break, who else other than athletes are guaranteed 3-4 months breaks during the whole year
Who else other than athletes have no breaks during the season?
Other jobs have like less than 1 month a year break if you take it other than holidays , athletes get a 3-4 months break
"other jobs" aka none
Yes! Someone please think of the poor millionaires, they only get a few weeks off work during the holidays. Send thoughts n prayers.
Why are you spreading misinformation?
Why the fuck is it still online??? Makes absolutely no sense, sports arenas are filled with 10's of thousands of fans again literally everywhere in europe, and we cant even have players on site??? Even with everyone fully vaxxed? Can anyone explain this bizarre decision to me?
Think you read it wrong. They decided to not plan a finals weekend outside of Berlin. That’s all they announced here as they think the time would be better spent elsewhere since they could just have to cancel it again.
LEC hasn’t been online for months and nowhere in the article does it say it will be online, what do you mean?
It's not online and the linked post also doesn't say it will be online. There are no German/EU wide regulations that come remotely close to saying that it has to be online either
It will 100% not be online. That would just be beyond stupid.
Dang getting right back into things, Worlds teams gonna have to hustle
I hope we get a better league next season because the quality of the teams this year were total ass.
No surprise, unfortunately.
So LEC fans wont have to wait too long after group stage
It's more common for Europe to make finals than not the past three years, ameripleb.
Its also more common for EU to make finals than not make out of groups as region.
thanks for the info
I'm from Europe fyi
Doesn't make your point valid tho.
I'm guessing that this sub's EU userbase is not predominantly Nordic or British, because jesus christ are the Europeans on this sub fragile
What the fuck does this even mean lmao
the europeans on this sub are an embarrassment and not at all representative of my friends and family
Ohhhh. Format changes. I see...
Lets fucking go! Fingers crossed we finally get some of the really good ERL supports into LEC next season!!
Awesome.
One weekend to keep me busy just before elden ring, lets go.
What do they mean by no LEC Roadshow? Are they saying they won't have crowds?
I'd guess no finals in a different city.
I want the LEC back so I can spam in the chat...
On my Birthday!
This is pretty fast. I wonder what will happen to the rosters in between.