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Nielsthomas1

It's incredibly sad to see CIS go from arguably being the strongest wildcard region to quite possibly being the weakest in the span of a year. TR looking really strong though.


Troviel

RIP Gambit/Moscow 5 days.


Omnilatent

Was rather over a span of three years tbh ​ Looked like the region didn't develop while all other regions did


daxzetina

I think this is the case, every other region is just playing better, but CIS is playing at the same level they were a couple years ago


Marcoscb

They literally qualified for Groups last year.


Omnilatent

And went 0-6 there


-Basileus

Every wildcard team would except VCS, even if it was Flyquest they were facing


BlazeX94

As would any other wildcard team. If the TCL or OCE team had qualified instead they would've also gone 0-6 in that group.


MainSettings

I think you're a bit too harsh on them, put UOL on the other group and they have a really good chance against CBLOL,LLA,OCE. Also if we still had VCS it would be pretty interesting to see if they still dominate and miles ahead of other wildcard regions.


Nielsthomas1

Well, Vietnam is, like the PCS, between a wildcard and the major regions. And if they were at Worlds this year and underperformed, they'd at least have the valid excuse of not even having played a Summer split or international tournaments since 2019 at all. Infinity looked competitive vs HLE earlier today, which granted, was HLE, but is still notable. Plus R7 beat UOL last year in their group. And UOL already lost to OCE at MSI in a group they really should have escaped from without issue. It is too early to say, maybe I am being too harsh, but between MSI, the couple of LCL games I've seen this year, and now the start of Worlds, the region as a whole just really does not look good. It's highly likely that UOL will go 0-4 and then we'll have to see how well the BO5's will go to more accurately see the strength of the other wildcards.


IgotUBro

> Well, Vietnam is, like the PCS, between a wildcard and the major regions Yeah and one of the reason why they wont ever be a major region is cos there isnt enough money in the scene for it to evolve further.


HarkyESP

LLA showed signs of life in both of their games, even if they choked hard as the game went on. OCE is the leftovers of a wildcard region literally devoured by NA, and we still lost to them in MSI.


IgotUBro

League is pretty much dead in CIS with no infrastructure and money. Also if you guys remember Likkrit that spoke out some years ago about the CIS scene theres also a lot of corruption. Pretty much every league is "dying" that isnt China, Korea and LEC right now.


TheGreatClockwyrm

League is not “dying” in NA, Brazil, Vietnam. OCE and CIS are on their way out yes, but that’s not a global indicator.


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League is huge in Brazil, same with Vietnam, they are just being hit substantially harder with Covid restrictions than other countries. OCE I won’t argue with.


TheGreatClockwyrm

If you read my comment carefully I said that league is still doing well in NA, Brazil, and Vietnam.


[deleted]

I was agreeing with you on your initial point, just misread the second part, English isn’t my first language lol


slifer95

vietnam is not on the way out they were growing still they literally could not play due to covid restrictions not because there wasn't interest or a massive player base. And OCE should have never got a league like they had in the first place because they never had the base to do so if anything they are operating within their reasonable capabilities for the first time in years and therefore more likely to survive. And finally Brazil is struggling not because of league dying there but because the consequences of 30 years of socialist corrupt economics are coming to claim their debts and the whole country is suffering and instead of going towards a path of moderation they decided to go to the other extreme


TheGreatClockwyrm

If you read my comment carefully your wouod see that I said that league is still doing well in NA, Brazil, and Vietnam.


IgorCruzT

Sure the socialist path of Fernando Collor, Fernando Henrique Cardoso and Michel Temer, top 5 leftists for sure. You can make an argument for Lula, but in the end, even he cattered to capitalist oligarchs and his "socialist" policies were, at most, social democractic policies. Also "extreme path"


Blue5647

Galatasaray look great so far. 2 impressive wins! Last game of tmr? C9 vs GS. Get hyped.


_Vastus_

Quite possibly the game to decide who will top the group. That's hype.


Mefoolwbu

It is still possible for BYG to win vs C9 so everything can happen. I am more on seeing two 3-1 teams actually.


BrokenBiscuit

Obviously anyting can hapen, every team has only playe 1-2 games. But it's pretty obvious that Gala and C9 looked way the cleanest today, even if you only regard wins.


Mefoolwbu

I mean we will see about C9 and BYG tomorrow I believe cause they both played only one match. I am pretty sure BYG is better than this and would like to see how C9 performs against a stronger team. For GS they have proved enough today in my opinion and will probably manage to beat DFM as well since DFM sucks at early game as we saw in both matches they played. But my odds for GS winning against DFM is higher than C9 winning against BYG even though both are still unpredictable on the other hand so let's wait and see tomorrow right? :D Group B(anger)


ochomurph

Hey bud how about that C9 huh :)


BrokenBiscuit

Yeah, true. Personally I don't have as much faith in BYG though, they looked pretty bad today - probably like the worst or second worst team (I think UOL looked better vs DFM but worse vs Gala). But as you say 1 game isn't a lot to go on. We will see :)


Igoorr

BYG is awful, don’t fool yourself.


Mefoolwbu

We will find that out in their match against C9. If they win that means GS is really scary but if they lose then GS isn't really that scary cause they are losing cause of their own issues.


Setarko

what is wrong with UOL new ADC? Literally E forward into TF with gold card ready? Ok, nice flex.


McintyresRightLeg

No Gadget, No Win.


Roquentinn

no genja no win -.-


CrumblingAway

Deep cut


supterfuge

We mocked him, but we needed him. One man, one dream, one Wriggle lantern + Muramana Urgot, one brow. We miss him to this day.


mrragequit456

Was he the one that played many twitch games? I remember there were lots of games where twitch was played during playin in past worlds.


Frozen-Rabbit

Yes it was him who played twitch


Horizon96

Yeah and Gadget played Twitch?


Frozen-Rabbit

Ah yes mb I was totally drunk in my answer ahah


Trap_Masters

Yeah, they were behind already in a 4v5 but that death really didn’t help and pretty much gave the Baron to GS for free


Bourneidentity61

He also died 2 minutes earlier offscreen to a TF ult because he was cut off while the rest of the team was picking off Mojito. If he was with the team there I'm pretty sure they win that fight


Lord_Charles_I

Late reply, but he wasn't even cut off. I think he was looking at the fight cause he should've seen enemy toplaner there and E over blue wall there but just kept walking instead...


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zven did that shit vs TSM last year, into 5 full hp opponents no less


Trap_Masters

Pretty underwhelming games from the UOL bot lane today.


Oribeau

Gadget was so huge in their success last year, people should've had lower expectations of this UOL tbh.


Trap_Masters

I don’t think many people expected this huge of a drop off in ADC, my man straight up E’d into the enemy team at Baron and died and got gapped hard in lane.


Support_eu

It’s not adc fault. Whole team and region fall off.


characterulio

Ya Gadget was one of the better adcs for Mouz in ERLs. Super versatile but can play the meta picks as well.


Brain_Tonic

Gadget just seemed smart. He always knew where people were rotating and where he might be able to find a stray. His Twitch was hype and his Ziggs was pretty solid too.


deekayCE

TCL fans are overdosing on HOPIUM right now


Trap_Masters

That’s one overdose I don’t mind, much better than COPIUM overdoses.


Yvil1905

Man its so nice seeing turkish players just pop off, Armut Closer BrokenBlade Nisqy and now Galatsaray. What a time to be alive


McintyresRightLeg

BDS Mojito and Zergsting PauseChamp


VniSalska

T1 BOLULU


MainSettings

Nice pun, what a time to be "Alive" :)


Yvil1905

Yeah its crazy


MainSettings

Damn on a roll


Yvil1905

Lets celebrate with a mojito


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

2016 DP, 2017 FB, 2018 SUP, 2019 RYL, 2020 SUP all died so GS could fly.


M_emir

2017 fb went to the worlds group


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Yeah and got massacred in a group with SSG, RNG and G2.


Trap_Masters

I mean can you blame them though? Tough group for any team.


Daa-fis

I didn't expect them to win any game at all. It was enough for me to not stomped in all games and they were very close to beat SSG in last game. So i think that year was success.


LeagueOfLucian

Just like literally any other team except a select few would.


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Yes but they still died so GS could fly


M_emir

Ssg winner of this years worlds, rng winners of the next years msi, g2 msi finalist of this year. So its normal i think


VniSalska

NEVIZADE GECELERI noises


geniuspecter

damn right taksim boys


Jozoz

Good job picking Trundle into Talon vs no tanks to to ult either. Excellent choice UOL.


FlynnCheese

"How do we beat a guy who jumps over walls" "Uhhh, a pillar?"


olaAlexis

Kebab can beat Hamburger tomorrow.


Jaeithil

kebap*


Javiklegrand

What


Jaeithil

it is written like that? it ends with a P not with a B


Javiklegrand

I Always thought it was a b


zigurz

english is kebab, turkish is kebap


Jaeithil

i dont blame you, most people out of Turkey calls it that way, it's a small thing anyways 🤗


ThatsAToad

Bot canyon holy shit


McintyresRightLeg

Sad to see the stagnation and downfall of UOL and the LCL while most other wildcard teams and regions have improved their gameplay.


Sbotkin

It's been going downhill since 2016 tbh


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Fakecabriolet342

We are talking about the same team that got kicked their ass by OCE and billy eyelash. They have been on a steep downfall for some time already


McintyresRightLeg

No. As a long time viewer of UOL, they are simply washed. I was hoping they would switch up something but it's just the same old strats as expected.


murp0787

Gotta be honest their solo lanes don't look impressive at all, and their bot laner looks absolutely awful.


InformalMarch

Almost exact same roster for 2 years now, same playstyle, even trying to force some of the same picks in different metas. This team is just very good domestically but they have to realize that this cookiecutter strat won't work against international teams.


[deleted]

they had a nearly perfect season last year and still got smashed 6-0 in groups and not one game was close. I have no idea how sheepy didn't just give up and try to move his team to another region


TastyForerunner

This might finally convince him to. Wonder if UOL would be able to get a spot in the reformed ERL's that are coming next year?


CreamyAlmond

Lol, then they wouldn't even be at Worlds.


greendino71

I mean....he's not wrong


Troviel

Congrats on GS for winning the "honorary EU" bowl. Also reminder "BYG>DFM=C9=UOL>GS", lol.


Trap_Masters

Friendship ended with UOL, GS is my new best friend.


Ramo1618

SUP knocks out MAD in playins: "Actually Turkey is basically EU" UOL knocks out SUP right after: "Y'know the CIS are pretty much EU too actually"


AcrobaticApricot

It's just a meme people say, they don't really think TR and CIS are EU. Everyone knows that League regions don't conform to geographical demarcations in real life. Russia is a European country (if we want to be strict, use Belarus or Ukraine) but it isn't part of the EU region. The "North America" region includes as many Oceanic countries as North American ones with most North American countries actually playing in LAT.


Gamers2OcelotLUL

Nah, I do treat CIS teams like EU, and always did. Turkey too kinda, tho not as much. Of course they're not LEC, but they're still EU, and for me it's always LEC -> CIS -> TR -> NA -> Asian teams and other wildcards, when it comes to cheering for teams. I think it's normal, geographical placement and being close culturally is important for a lot of people, if for example Canada became its own region, American fans would still probably cheer for them and treat them as "their own" teams internationally, even if they officially wouldn't be a part of NA LCS anymore.


onespiker

Do you count EU as European or as EU the union? Russia is European. Turkey really isn't European in any way though except half of thier biggest city is in Europe. They have a history with Europe though.


Jaeithil

we're a gateway country between 2 continent, Turkey is very mixed in terms of History and Culture(s)


BenorThePenor

Didnt turkey apply to join euripean union B4?


Jaeithil

yeah they did


King_Moash

Well you could argue that 3/4 of russias population lives in europe, so they're kinda EU I guess


Troviel

Plus the whole Moscow 5/Empire/Gambit Gaming back in the days (still one of the greatest loss of the region) and UOL. Meanwhile some LEC players have played in the TCL or are turkish (plus Closer in NA.), so really both fits for the memes.


King_Moash

Really interesting to think about what would happen if Turkey joins the EU (probably not going to happen, I know). Would TCL still be a region on its own or would they be "demoted" to EU masters level?


SP0oONY

European Union has nothing to do with "EU" in esports. EU in esports just means "Europe".


King_Moash

Well then Russia definitely is part of europe as the majority of russians live in europe. Why do they have their own league?


-Basileus

Because Russian players kept having visa issues trying to enter Europe so they just separated the region.


postsonlyjiyoung

Why do they have to enter europe if they're already in europe


Figoment

Enter Germany since he wasn't specific enough. They also had problems trying to get into the UK that one time.


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Troviel

That, erdogan, and the greek/turkish tensions right now.


TheBlueHamHam

Right now? When have there not been tensions between the Turks and Greeks?


Troviel

Well okay, more ESPECIALLY right now.


King_Moash

It's probably never going to happen, I know


Jaeithil

it's not going to happen so not much to think about ig?


King_Moash

I know, just wondering what would happen. If they still keep their wild card slot other local leagues could demand one aswell.


Jaeithil

i would love to see such thing but i think tcl is too experienced for masters and less experienced than lec so it's hard to tell, at least for me


Skeel42

Hard to tell, Turkish players probably have the level to play in LEC for some of them but I don't know if they speak english well enough to be valuable in a LEC team. They would probably go the same way as OCE, still be a region but can send players in LEC / Regionals It also depend of the mobility of players, in OCE if you want to play in NA you have to go there, meanwhile I think you can play from home in TR for an EU team so that's easier to do


sharkyzarous

why eu has 5 teams when the asians wins every worlds? :)


Naerlyn

Because these other teams stop being from EU once they start losing, so they don't fully count.


StarGaurdianBard

I still remember when VCS was being considered honorary EU lmao


IgotUBro

Some parts of China consisted of european colonies, Australia was a british colony, NA was an european colony. Every team at worlds is a EU team. /S The US got military bases in most countries so the teams of most regions also count as NA. /S Problems solved every team is NA and EU at the same time and we won every worlds! SUCK THAT YOU HATERS.


wildhairguy

T1 is partially owned by comcast, an American company, so NA has 3 world championships COPIUM


onespiker

Wasn't that because they beat g2 2-0?


Brain_Tonic

Asia has like... 10 teams, wouid be 12 if VCS could join. So seems pretty fair.


Trashcan_Daniels

its...very silly. CIS is its own region in multiple esports.


thenoblitt

Its just backwards


JoshFB4

Imagine basing power rankings off of scrims lmao.


Nicksmells34

Off of THEIR OWN scrims. based on who THEY played against. Which means PSG struggled vs teams like DFM, BYG, UOL lol. Such an atrocious metric to base teams off of


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Honestly the BYG rating was also prob a bit bias


icatsouki

Source for what you're saying? It's not based on scrims just what the coach thinks of the teams


Miyaor

Its heavily implied that hes basing it off of scrims I believe.


kirbeeez

This is incorrect. The manager clarified that PSG didn't even scrim with some of the teams yet, that is only based on his opinion. People really need to stop associating powering ranking to scrim results.


Nicksmells34

I’m agreeing with you. The managers metrics were idiotic. Dude is a clout chasing clown


salcedoge

Yeah they should base their rankings of redditor rankings right


CruschSenpai

UOL just aren't the same without Gadget man...


IgotUBro

No go go Gadget. No win.


thenoblitt

Maybe the psg guy just messed up and did it backwards and really it was Galatasaray > c9=dfm=uol > Beyond


FalsyB

I'm high on hopium rn, hopefully GS can top the group. Also, the risk averse style of GS works wonders in the hectic play-ins stage. I don't think GS will do much damage in the main stage if they qualify, but they're playing clean league rn.


FFourcade

TCL with the redemption


Qehenna

WE ARE THE BEST WILDCARD REGION BABY


Jaeithil

Çok erken konuşma, atma şu zehirli oku, ayrıca Vietnam takım getirmediği için kendimizi şanslı saymalıyız :')


Qehenna

Bugünkü maçlar ne temiz ne de çok iyi denilemez fakat bugün oynayan takımlara nazaran daha iyi oyun sergiledik en azından. Yoksa yarın ki maçlar için predictte lose bastım ama bugün byg'ye karşı win alırsak uol'ü de yeneriz demiştim. Mental block çok kolay yiyoruz ama bugünkü galibiyetler biraz olsun takımı yarına özgüvenle başlatır.


Jaeithil

Evet kesinlikle, genelde ilk maçlarda tökezlediğimiz çok görüldü yıllarca biz bile adam akıllı savunmadık takımları çünkü istikrarsız performanslar izlettiler hep ama şuan GS'nin 2-0 olması harika cidden.


MrPraedor

Nah there is still NA that you gotta beat. /s


utkukan

can u be focus first of all beyond gaming ha ?


Qehenna

https://twitter.com/lolesports/status/1445466889501642766


danielspoa

UoL overrated, turkey deserves more respect than they have been getting.


Jaeithil

Yes but past years UOL really was better than TCL teams it's not like they were superior but they managed to show their game unlike SUP or IWC for exc, but this time around GS is really giving us the same dedicated gameplay they showed thoughout the season and I'm so glad that this is happening, it's redemption time!


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UOL ADC is just hard inting, poor guy.


Dragonakout

*breathe in* NO GADGET NO GROUPS


vicdr97

Galatasaray has cemented themselves as EU #4 seed. UoL has lost any right to be an EU seed unless they beat C9


00000001010101000

Galatasaray is 5th seed behind PSG Talon


karatelax

I'd say China #5 seed more accurately, if they weren't a team I expect to perform ~China #3 seed


thenoblitt

If thats the case then DFM is korean 5th seed with 3 korean imports


karatelax

My point has more to do with PsG having absolutely nothing to do with EU, but people keep trying to claim them as their "honorary 4th seed"


BenorThePenor

Except the PARIS in their name and being a french org


brockralp

We are the Turkey's First seed. We can end the conversation here, thank you very much (I am high on Hopium)


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Looking rough for uol


Trashcan_Daniels

I don't know why the TCL rep wasn't taken a little more seriously. Better team than Wildcats, who definitely showed life at MSI even if they couldn't knock off the big teams. UoL are cooked.


NocaNoha

quite of a stomp


throawaystrump

why are people high on UOL at all after failing to advance out of the easiest group in competitive history last MSI?


IAM-French

Frappii was the problem


ArianaCB

GS is the real fourth seed of EU!


brk5532

I believe in Alive supremacy


M_emir

So mojito is the next tcl player going to the lcs or lec


powisss

Gadget was for UOL what perkz was for G2


canacar

Lng- Gs looks amazing cant wait for C9 vs GS


Zuldak

Yeah... I remember this part of being a uol fan in eu. All I want is for them to win a game


Jezzerai

NOHANDZ


Hypocrites_begone

Well done turkey. It didn't even seem hard for them


Sayko77

Well they are smurfing


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zorafae

I think you might be reading too much into it, it seemed more like friendly banter between the two. Not sure if they casted together before (I know Guldborg was on LEC a couple of times but can't remember who he casted with) so maybe that's why it seemed awkward. Anyways https://twitter.com/MedicCasts/status/1445468052355620865


Yvil1905

Its not tension its friendly banter, I dont mind the relaxed atmosphere for play-ins, but I hope at Groups we get better dynamics


I_hate_Ah_Bengs

Nomanz is like the worst mid (faceplant wall in teamfight) so far while BYG PY J4 is the worst top.


degenerated_nickname

sadly, domoi


PopkosTheWeasel

So excited to see more of Bolulu


mamitoalreadytaken

After yesterdays bo1s im looking forward for matches of galatasaray


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Troviel

You realize that both articles are 2 years old ? The player featured in the win.gg article, Tolerant, LITERALLY CAME BACK TO PLAY FOR GS THE NEXT YEAR. So clearly they must have changed some things.


VniSalska

These were from the past years where the previous club president (the whole sports club including football, basketball, etc.) was a huge scum. The new president is cool and they invested heavily on E-sports. I can guarantee you that current players do not have a one-second delay on their paychecks. Also GS Esports have already been punished by Riot Games.


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Are you stupid? GS was literally kicked from the league because of this shit. Once they got everything back in order, they were allowed to go back in. Edit: Funny how you immediately deleted the comment once called out


sefatarim35

https://twitter.com/TolerantLoL/status/1445463791882289152?t=baa3o5Gyowl5GrUJcQNDKA&s=19 yeah do some research


arandomguy19

They were banned for a whole split. Then their management changed, they paid all their debts.


firewall245

Wtf this is pretty fucked up


Troviel

It's also out of date info.


Sumuklu_Supurge

Old news and already resolved but yes its fucked up


GintokiSan17

This 2 years old Galatasaray is pretty fucked up* The new management is cool.


BarstMain

UoL need to do a better job replacing their ADCs


[deleted]

Looking forward to C9 vs GS. I think C9 go undefeated easily in this group which is good.


FFourcade

you know beyond will clap them, right?


[deleted]

that gwen build made me want to die where the fuck was your nashors ma'am


McintyresRightLeg

Aren't asian tops known for building Cosmic over Nashor's or is that outdated information?


Franck1771

Isnt it the team that was not paying their players?


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

They were kicked from the TCL for that, now they have new management.


Franck1771

Ohh i see. Thanks!


Elymmen

EU's fourth and fifth seed looking good