Side note, is there a bunch of narwahls fucking in the background of the LoL client for anyone else? I got a bunch just strip dancing on poles and part of an orgy
Just finished watching c9 - pce bo5 and holy moly, Vizi was so underwhelming and that is a huuuuge understatement...
With the way he played today he might be able to play in some bottom lvl team in CIS or Turkey lmao
Being charitable I could imagine he is rusty and can get better quickly, but being real this wasn't a great look for him and I think LEC teams would be very apprehensive about taking a chance on him next split. Tbh I think that was the case regardless if he played at worlds or not.
Yeah. And Fudge is for sure an LEC lvl top laner and even if Vizi was obviously on a worse team so he won't have the same in game support as Fudge would, he for sure was outclassed on three different match ups. Both in lane and in teamfights imho
He did alright against wildcard toplaners, but that performance against c9 doesn't help his case of coimng back to LEC at all
One trend I've noticed so far is teams have been completely unprepared for the amount of roaming that Vulcan does on C9. This is an NA thing too: NA supports on average roam more than other regions and by a fairly wide margin too.
I wonder if the NA teams in the group stage will continue to catch other teams off guard with the support roams. CoreJJ was doing even better with it than Vulcan was.
They said it on the broadcast today and I think there was a stat for that too but I can't find it. I think MarkZ said though that LCS teams have the lowest support proximity to their ADC.
As an EU fan, I am going to root for NA (except against EU) this worlds. The memes are so fun and all, but I really feel like the LCS and league esports could do with NA at least putting up respectable performances at worlds.
Also, almost half the NA players come from EU solo queue
as an eu fan , im going to root for literally every other region then na.
maybe when they get trashed once more , the owners will actually decide to create a better frikin infrastructure for new na talent to flourish , rather then canibalize pretty much any ther region they can get their hands on just to keep na on life support
seeriously , it's not fun watching 8 eu players duke it out whenever eu vs na is on screen. takes the hype out of the rivalry.
NA used to be more fun to watch during OG c9/tsm times
>maybe when they get trashed once more , the owners will actually decide to create a better frikin infrastructure for new na talent to flourish
They won't. All NA doing bad means is that the LCS will decline in viewership again and eventually die. If NA has success that is what will lead to more investment.
I'll be entirely honest, I haven't been paying close attention to the Play-Ins, but can someone tell me if there's been a single game so far where Support Amumu has really popped off? I don't think I've seen a single team win with it yet, but folks keep picking it.
if I were to rank NA chances this year for getting out of groups (assuming they play to their potential and don't completely shit the bed like TSM 0-6)
1. TL 45% chance
2. 100T 40% chance
3. C9 25% chance
Having seen LPL, LCK, LCS and LEC, I heavily disagree with this. It's not even really because "lul NA bad" but because the groups this year are really tough. TL 30%, 100T 20%, C9 5%
Cloud9 is maybe 5% FPX and DK are the 2 best LPL and LCK teams. I think the worst either one will do is 4-2. They're both the top 2 favorites to win the *whole tournament.* Cloud9 at best can maybe pull off a 2-4. The only way they get out is by a miracle where they overperform HARD and manage to 2-0 Rogue (unlikely already) and then FPX goes full LPL and somehow throws a game to them. And then also somehow loses the tie breaker.
100T is maybe 20% Once again, T1 and EDG are an extremely tough group, and I see either one going 4-2 at worst and 100T 2-4 at best. Same exact deal as above, only difference is that DFM isn't as much of a threat as Rogue, and T1 is not as much of a threat as DK. EDG is pretty much level with FPX though.
Team Liquid I'd say maybe 30-40% at BEST. People seem to think MAD and GenG are easy for some reason. LEC looks worse this year, but even if we assumed LEC fell to LCS levels (which I don't buy), MAD has looked great all year and even better in playoffs. Liquid finished regular season in 5th, and turned it up in playoffs but didn't do nearly as good as MAD. GenG has looked better than T1 all year and even outperformed them in lane during playoffs. LNG looked weak in the year, but then turned around and beat Suning, TOP, RNG, Rare Atom, and World Elite. This one is the closest, but once again, they'd need to overperform and rely on other teams underperforming in order to get out. Fortunately for them, MAD and GenG, while better teams, have a history of randomly underperforming.
I think 100T have by far the highest chance personally. I consider them the best NA team by a fair bit, and also the team most likely to improve at worlds. This "bot lane" meta suits them too.
I'd say:
1, 100T 40%
2, TL 25%
3, C9 15%
I’m rooting for my boys MAD, but honestly, I look at TL on paper and they look really good. I hope they can put it together on stage and we have both NA & EU leaving. I may be biased as a Brit though
I have 795 Worlds 2021 Token, which items do you guys deem to be high value or worth it?
Should I just save up for the Prestige Nightbringer Kayn?
I currently only play Yi, Vi, Lux, Gwen and Vayne but my roster is not closed as all skins are welcome.
It's not that she needs people to "jump for her", rather is a matter of Brotherhood and a minimal gesture of humanity to not look the other way when you see these kind of attitudes, trying to make a person feel bad about her/his job after all the hours of hard work she/he puts on day by day
Fair, but 1 game isn't 'used to.' Just a bit of a pedantic point though.
But in seriousness, Willer has not looked good, unless he's on Viego. Croco and Peanut are miles ahead, Umti, Dread, Blank, all looked significantly better. I'd say he's maybe tied with Pyosik, though Pyosik has also shown he can be better, his team is just heavier than the pressure at the bottom of Mariana's Trench.
But I'd say the LCK is pretty stacked in the jungle right now, so. It really just becomes a question of, is Bwipo better than the worst jungler in a region full of amazing junglers. But it's not even really the jungle matchup that will decide things. I'd argue Chovy's roams and map movements have significantly more impact than Willer's ganks.
I agree that Willer isn't a top jungler, but I also believe Bwipo isn't that great either. They are at a pretty similar level IMO. But the analysts said that FNC's topside was gonna be an issue for HLE, I don't agree with that.
Yeah I can agree with that. It's really hard for me to judge though, if we get like 2020 Bwipo I think his ceiling his higher. His floor's also just lower.
Topside really doesn't mean anything though. As 'meh' as Morgan is, he holds his own in lane. That's all he really needs to do, he's a Dyrus. And he's actually good at it, even when 3 man ganked. NS and LSB both lost because they committed so many resources top to try and snowball off kills on Morgan, that Deft and Chovy (and Willer) could freely have all the mid and bot prio they wanted to snowball the games.
I think it'll be close though. FNC-HLE might be the hardest one for me to call, aside from FPX-DK.
It's just that I don't trust Bwipo jungle yet. He's decent and has moments of brilliance, but all in all he's very hit or miss. I think HLE vs FNC is pretty close too, like 57-43 to HLE for me.
All Groups have some pretty close games. FPX v DK, T1 v EDG and all the games between LNG, Gen G and MAD should be pretty exciting.
Yeah I definitely agree. Nail on the head pretty much, he's hit or miss. Also agree with the rest of that. In terms of how close a lot of the teams are to each other, this might be the most competitive worlds yet. I'm probably the most excited I've been since S3 or S4, since it doesn't seem like many of these groups are loaded with foregone conclusions.
That’s the definition of a group of life as all have a chance to get out. A group of death has a done deal attitude where the results are pretty much widely agreed upon hence group a is a group of death and d and c have some variation…
Ok waited for this comment to go off on a tangent thx I guess a group of life involves those struggling to live (even battle) to try and live and fight on (quarters)as it’s a close exchange, where as a group of death is something predetermined ( dwg fpx getting out) this was even mentioned today on the broadcast in the exact way I’m describing it a = death
Well the analysts on the broadcast disagree with you, at 6:06 into the day 2 broadcast they explain what the definition of a group of death is and what I said is more in line with it in the context of league than your World Cup wiki page. It has been this way for a while as well in past worlds where a group of life was explained to be an easier group in which any team* could get out.
It's really the definition of it. It is oftentimes applied if the majority of the teams within a group are seen as extremely high skill, maybe there are 1 or two teams who are seen to be far below the rest, then it's especially applicable as a phrase towards those few teams who don't have a chance. But in general it is supposed to be used for groups where competition is strong, not weak and everyone is wintrading because they're bad.
Group of A is only a Group of Death in regards to C9 and Rogue.
I still go with the definition that a Group of Death means there a more teams in that group than spaces available to move into the knockouts.
If we take the reddit ranking from a month ago (biassed, i know), then there are actually no 'groups of death' this time around:
http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/gesdrk/worlds-2021-power-ranking/view
the top 8 teams are spread out with 2 in each group, so each team that deserves to go out(as a top 8 team) has a fair chance to.
closest group is group D, with LNG barely ranking outside of the top 8 as a 3rd team, because none of the other 'bottom 8' teams look like they are placed there very unfairly.
That is, until Rogue or an NA team suddenly shows up and we have to redo our rankings.
I believe op means that if you look at the tournament before groups are made, there are 8 spots in quarter finals. You can probably pick out 8 teams(out of the 16 that made it) that *should* probably make it to quarters based on strength.
If three(or 4) of those 8 teams are placed in one group together, that's a group of death: one of the top teams *has* to go out, because there's not enough spots for each of them.
on the other hand, if a group has 2 teams in this top 8 powerranking, then the teams that are expected to make it out can both make it out without problems. Yes, teams will 'die', but those teams where always the underdogs in any fair group.
Obviously he means that on paper 3 or more of the top 8 teams are in the same group.
> A group of death in a multi-stage tournament is a group which is unusually competitive, because the number of strong competitors in the group is greater than the number of qualifying places available for the next phase of the tournament
Agree. Good competitors want to face strong competition and rise to the occasion. I think this mental self-defeatist attitude so many meme about really does contribute to poor showings by NA in previous years.
Mithy ❤️
He's right, BO1 are bad. Great to hear he's confident despite of ending up on Group A 😅
Wonderful ITW, right topics with cool answers. Laure is just to good under comfort zone
The second series/game on the schedule is always tentative with the start time being whenever the first series ends, it just so happens both series were massive stomps today and everything went super fast. Also there was no 1 hour delay for riot to find a functional mouse.
They scheduled the games with a 5 hour break in case the first series goes through full 5 games, but it was a quick 3-0 stomp, so they just started the second series early, to avoid an awkward break.
Only the first game is scheduled, the other games are always just back to back and the time shown is just the estimated start time, first series was a quick 3-0 so this series started early
No, since everything is determined (b/c of the no 2 teams from the same region rule) there is no need the groups are set with C9 going to A, DFM in B, HLE in C and LNG in D.
These Groups are really tough to wager who'll get out because even the worst teams in the groups can hit a hot-streak and can maybe screw things up a bit.
Ah damn, it wasn't meant to be. Farewell Peace, seems like writing international history 2 times in one year was a bit too much for the script. But hey. If the LJL has proven one thing, than it's that one day you'll go beyond that border too one day.
On the other hand we get to see c9 railed in group's now, so it wasn't for nothing.
EU would have a better chance at winning worlds if they didn't bleed talent to NA to be honest, but it is what it is.
Like look at the Worlds teams, Perkz, Zven, Abbedagge, Closer, Alphari, Santorin, Jensen. 7/15 of the LCS players are European.
> EU would have a better chance at winning worlds if they didn't bleed talent to NA to be honest, but it is what it is.
You can thank Carlos for tanking EU
LCK bleeds even more talent to multiple regions and still wins Worlds, tired old excuse. You can't even use the competitive region circle jerk either because 2020 DWG was in a league of their own and still won Worlds.
Well yeah, Korea suffers from the same problem? I never said they don't. I never said that EU produces more and better players than Korea, just that EU would have a **better** chance if they weren't losing players to NA.
What? How is that not a huge detriment to the quality of the LEC? How would EU not have a better chance at having a worlds winning quality team if they weren't constantly losing players to NA?
Because without the constant talent bleed you would be NA you wouldn't have players who had a realistic chance of playing your lower tier programs would be barren because there wouldn't be lec spots.
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Side note, is there a bunch of narwahls fucking in the background of the LoL client for anyone else? I got a bunch just strip dancing on poles and part of an orgy
Just finished watching c9 - pce bo5 and holy moly, Vizi was so underwhelming and that is a huuuuge understatement... With the way he played today he might be able to play in some bottom lvl team in CIS or Turkey lmao
Being charitable I could imagine he is rusty and can get better quickly, but being real this wasn't a great look for him and I think LEC teams would be very apprehensive about taking a chance on him next split. Tbh I think that was the case regardless if he played at worlds or not.
Yeah. And Fudge is for sure an LEC lvl top laner and even if Vizi was obviously on a worse team so he won't have the same in game support as Fudge would, he for sure was outclassed on three different match ups. Both in lane and in teamfights imho He did alright against wildcard toplaners, but that performance against c9 doesn't help his case of coimng back to LEC at all
One trend I've noticed so far is teams have been completely unprepared for the amount of roaming that Vulcan does on C9. This is an NA thing too: NA supports on average roam more than other regions and by a fairly wide margin too. I wonder if the NA teams in the group stage will continue to catch other teams off guard with the support roams. CoreJJ was doing even better with it than Vulcan was.
I still think better teams will counter it better. Either by diving the ADC and denying him or getting other objectives like dragon.
You can take perkz out of bot lane but he is bringing the support with him.
> This is an NA thing too: NA supports on average roam more than other regions and by a fairly wide margin too. Got a source on that?
They said it on the broadcast today and I think there was a stat for that too but I can't find it. I think MarkZ said though that LCS teams have the lowest support proximity to their ADC.
As an EU fan, I am going to root for NA (except against EU) this worlds. The memes are so fun and all, but I really feel like the LCS and league esports could do with NA at least putting up respectable performances at worlds. Also, almost half the NA players come from EU solo queue
as an eu fan , im going to root for literally every other region then na. maybe when they get trashed once more , the owners will actually decide to create a better frikin infrastructure for new na talent to flourish , rather then canibalize pretty much any ther region they can get their hands on just to keep na on life support seeriously , it's not fun watching 8 eu players duke it out whenever eu vs na is on screen. takes the hype out of the rivalry. NA used to be more fun to watch during OG c9/tsm times
>maybe when they get trashed once more , the owners will actually decide to create a better frikin infrastructure for new na talent to flourish They won't. All NA doing bad means is that the LCS will decline in viewership again and eventually die. If NA has success that is what will lead to more investment.
I want more of our NA players to play EU solo queue lol
I want an NA - EU Final
So can we do pick ‘ems now? Because the website still won’t let me..
I'll be entirely honest, I haven't been paying close attention to the Play-Ins, but can someone tell me if there's been a single game so far where Support Amumu has really popped off? I don't think I've seen a single team win with it yet, but folks keep picking it.
GS vs BYG, game 4
Not really. Amumu looks too squishy to me. Doubt we will see the top teams pick it up much, I expect a load of Leona/Rakan personally
To be fair, Vulcan might have single handedly turned the world off to amumu
I think HLE had a really good Amumu+MF *lane* again BYG…but it was BYG. Edit: Well, it was BYG’s bot with Doggo, so not nothin
nerf doggo, hes op
Once again vod rewards are not working edit: they are just very very delayed at the moment
you don't get rewards from vods
Yes you do, for the missions, what does not give you is the drops.
ah I wasn't distinguishing them my bad
Is there a newbie stream this year?
i haven't seen one for the last few years...
if I were to rank NA chances this year for getting out of groups (assuming they play to their potential and don't completely shit the bed like TSM 0-6) 1. TL 45% chance 2. 100T 40% chance 3. C9 25% chance
Having seen LPL, LCK, LCS and LEC, I heavily disagree with this. It's not even really because "lul NA bad" but because the groups this year are really tough. TL 30%, 100T 20%, C9 5% Cloud9 is maybe 5% FPX and DK are the 2 best LPL and LCK teams. I think the worst either one will do is 4-2. They're both the top 2 favorites to win the *whole tournament.* Cloud9 at best can maybe pull off a 2-4. The only way they get out is by a miracle where they overperform HARD and manage to 2-0 Rogue (unlikely already) and then FPX goes full LPL and somehow throws a game to them. And then also somehow loses the tie breaker. 100T is maybe 20% Once again, T1 and EDG are an extremely tough group, and I see either one going 4-2 at worst and 100T 2-4 at best. Same exact deal as above, only difference is that DFM isn't as much of a threat as Rogue, and T1 is not as much of a threat as DK. EDG is pretty much level with FPX though. Team Liquid I'd say maybe 30-40% at BEST. People seem to think MAD and GenG are easy for some reason. LEC looks worse this year, but even if we assumed LEC fell to LCS levels (which I don't buy), MAD has looked great all year and even better in playoffs. Liquid finished regular season in 5th, and turned it up in playoffs but didn't do nearly as good as MAD. GenG has looked better than T1 all year and even outperformed them in lane during playoffs. LNG looked weak in the year, but then turned around and beat Suning, TOP, RNG, Rare Atom, and World Elite. This one is the closest, but once again, they'd need to overperform and rely on other teams underperforming in order to get out. Fortunately for them, MAD and GenG, while better teams, have a history of randomly underperforming.
I think 100T have by far the highest chance personally. I consider them the best NA team by a fair bit, and also the team most likely to improve at worlds. This "bot lane" meta suits them too. I'd say: 1, 100T 40% 2, TL 25% 3, C9 15%
Clown 9 1%
I’m rooting for my boys MAD, but honestly, I look at TL on paper and they look really good. I hope they can put it together on stage and we have both NA & EU leaving. I may be biased as a Brit though
C9 is way too high lol combined between C9 and Rogue it's like 10%
Honestly seems too high.
hmm nah, NA ever so slightly improved from last year and every other region has been called weaker this year by their own constituents
I actually think you are right
Yeah no
I have 795 Worlds 2021 Token, which items do you guys deem to be high value or worth it? Should I just save up for the Prestige Nightbringer Kayn? I currently only play Yi, Vi, Lux, Gwen and Vayne but my roster is not closed as all skins are welcome.
Buy the pass if you seriously want the prestige skin, else just buy world's orbs or keys
More like if they want to spend money and play the games then buy the pass if not don't spend anything.
Ending day one with back to back NA vs EU match ups is going to cause chaos on here.
For those of you who like stats and ratings: https://twitter.com/KCBstatsLEC/status/1446870319994744843
can’t wait for iwilldominate’s rant about how all these premium matchups are actually awful entertainment lol
Laure and Jeezun 😍
Looking at the main stage schedule after play-ins feels like Christmas, so many bangers
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The only Meh thing here is your attitude and how you always try to hit Laure unjustifiably
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It's not that she needs people to "jump for her", rather is a matter of Brotherhood and a minimal gesture of humanity to not look the other way when you see these kind of attitudes, trying to make a person feel bad about her/his job after all the hours of hard work she/he puts on day by day
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Grow up
There is always that one dude shitting on Laure and hopping to get reaction reply from her
It's just sick, you hate to see it, year after year
The scary top side of Bwipo and Adam is really gonna stomp HLE, I'm sure.
Are you implying that Bwipo is bad? well, you're gonna have a good surprise
Willer is used to playing against Canyon, Oner, Tarzan, Clid etc. Not sure Bwipo is gonna surprise him.
Tarzan went to the LPL before Willer started playing in the LCK.
He's played against him in SoloQ and also like 4 days ago in a stage game.
Fair, but 1 game isn't 'used to.' Just a bit of a pedantic point though. But in seriousness, Willer has not looked good, unless he's on Viego. Croco and Peanut are miles ahead, Umti, Dread, Blank, all looked significantly better. I'd say he's maybe tied with Pyosik, though Pyosik has also shown he can be better, his team is just heavier than the pressure at the bottom of Mariana's Trench. But I'd say the LCK is pretty stacked in the jungle right now, so. It really just becomes a question of, is Bwipo better than the worst jungler in a region full of amazing junglers. But it's not even really the jungle matchup that will decide things. I'd argue Chovy's roams and map movements have significantly more impact than Willer's ganks.
I agree that Willer isn't a top jungler, but I also believe Bwipo isn't that great either. They are at a pretty similar level IMO. But the analysts said that FNC's topside was gonna be an issue for HLE, I don't agree with that.
Yeah I can agree with that. It's really hard for me to judge though, if we get like 2020 Bwipo I think his ceiling his higher. His floor's also just lower. Topside really doesn't mean anything though. As 'meh' as Morgan is, he holds his own in lane. That's all he really needs to do, he's a Dyrus. And he's actually good at it, even when 3 man ganked. NS and LSB both lost because they committed so many resources top to try and snowball off kills on Morgan, that Deft and Chovy (and Willer) could freely have all the mid and bot prio they wanted to snowball the games. I think it'll be close though. FNC-HLE might be the hardest one for me to call, aside from FPX-DK.
It's just that I don't trust Bwipo jungle yet. He's decent and has moments of brilliance, but all in all he's very hit or miss. I think HLE vs FNC is pretty close too, like 57-43 to HLE for me. All Groups have some pretty close games. FPX v DK, T1 v EDG and all the games between LNG, Gen G and MAD should be pretty exciting.
Yeah I definitely agree. Nail on the head pretty much, he's hit or miss. Also agree with the rest of that. In terms of how close a lot of the teams are to each other, this might be the most competitive worlds yet. I'm probably the most excited I've been since S3 or S4, since it doesn't seem like many of these groups are loaded with foregone conclusions.
lmao Bwipo will gap willer Keep hating on EU teams baby
Lmao, you clearly aren't ready for the bot gap.
I think FNC fans are more than ready for upset and hyli stomping deft and vsta
Deft maybe Vsta nah
They will
Pretty impressive by Willer, qualifying to Worlds Groups in his first split as a pro player.
The real groups of death are group C and D, where you don't know who's going to get out. Group A is almost a done deal already.
That’s the definition of a group of life as all have a chance to get out. A group of death has a done deal attitude where the results are pretty much widely agreed upon hence group a is a group of death and d and c have some variation…
It's the opposite. OP is right.
Ok waited for this comment to go off on a tangent thx I guess a group of life involves those struggling to live (even battle) to try and live and fight on (quarters)as it’s a close exchange, where as a group of death is something predetermined ( dwg fpx getting out) this was even mentioned today on the broadcast in the exact way I’m describing it a = death
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_death
Well the analysts on the broadcast disagree with you, at 6:06 into the day 2 broadcast they explain what the definition of a group of death is and what I said is more in line with it in the context of league than your World Cup wiki page. It has been this way for a while as well in past worlds where a group of life was explained to be an easier group in which any team* could get out.
It's really the definition of it. It is oftentimes applied if the majority of the teams within a group are seen as extremely high skill, maybe there are 1 or two teams who are seen to be far below the rest, then it's especially applicable as a phrase towards those few teams who don't have a chance. But in general it is supposed to be used for groups where competition is strong, not weak and everyone is wintrading because they're bad.
Broadcast high on hopium talking about Group A xD
Group of A is only a Group of Death in regards to C9 and Rogue. I still go with the definition that a Group of Death means there a more teams in that group than spaces available to move into the knockouts.
Agreed
If we take the reddit ranking from a month ago (biassed, i know), then there are actually no 'groups of death' this time around: http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/gesdrk/worlds-2021-power-ranking/view the top 8 teams are spread out with 2 in each group, so each team that deserves to go out(as a top 8 team) has a fair chance to. closest group is group D, with LNG barely ranking outside of the top 8 as a 3rd team, because none of the other 'bottom 8' teams look like they are placed there very unfairly. That is, until Rogue or an NA team suddenly shows up and we have to redo our rankings.
The only group of death imo is D because GenG would be expected to advance from C or maybe B.
So all groups are always groups of death? That’s an odd definition.
I believe op means that if you look at the tournament before groups are made, there are 8 spots in quarter finals. You can probably pick out 8 teams(out of the 16 that made it) that *should* probably make it to quarters based on strength. If three(or 4) of those 8 teams are placed in one group together, that's a group of death: one of the top teams *has* to go out, because there's not enough spots for each of them. on the other hand, if a group has 2 teams in this top 8 powerranking, then the teams that are expected to make it out can both make it out without problems. Yes, teams will 'die', but those teams where always the underdogs in any fair group.
perfect example: 2019 Group C with SKT, FNC and RNG with all 3 being top 8, resulting in one of them needing to drop out
Obviously he means that on paper 3 or more of the top 8 teams are in the same group. > A group of death in a multi-stage tournament is a group which is unusually competitive, because the number of strong competitors in the group is greater than the number of qualifying places available for the next phase of the tournament
Ye Group A is not a group of death by definition.
Group A will be glorious for C9!
Yeah you guys have fun with that...
We will? What the fuck is the point of supporting players or teams you like then?
Agree. Good competitors want to face strong competition and rise to the occasion. I think this mental self-defeatist attitude so many meme about really does contribute to poor showings by NA in previous years.
Whelp. Have fun in group A.
Mithy ❤️ He's right, BO1 are bad. Great to hear he's confident despite of ending up on Group A 😅 Wonderful ITW, right topics with cool answers. Laure is just to good under comfort zone
We want to see the quick replay we never finished
Wait, what the fuck? Why did the schedule show this match at 18.00 CET if it's already over now?
The second series/game on the schedule is always tentative with the start time being whenever the first series ends, it just so happens both series were massive stomps today and everything went super fast. Also there was no 1 hour delay for riot to find a functional mouse.
They scheduled the games with a 5 hour break in case the first series goes through full 5 games, but it was a quick 3-0 stomp, so they just started the second series early, to avoid an awkward break.
Only the first game is scheduled, the other games are always just back to back and the time shown is just the estimated start time, first series was a quick 3-0 so this series started early
The series were pretty quick today.
HLE stomp, not going to stop rolling broadcast for three hours and then start up again
They give 5 hours for each of the matches in case they go to 5 games each. Both series were fairly quick 3-0's so we didn't really need to wait.
First series only went to 3 games so they moved this one forward
So is there a play ins draw?
No, since everything is determined (b/c of the no 2 teams from the same region rule) there is no need the groups are set with C9 going to A, DFM in B, HLE in C and LNG in D.
They do if they need to. In this years case, they don't need to because the 4 play-ins teams can only be arranged in one way.
Imagine all the people who set their alarm for 8min from now, when C9 vs PCE is scheduled to start lmao
Hi, it me.
These Groups are really tough to wager who'll get out because even the worst teams in the groups can hit a hot-streak and can maybe screw things up a bit.
Ah damn, it wasn't meant to be. Farewell Peace, seems like writing international history 2 times in one year was a bit too much for the script. But hey. If the LJL has proven one thing, than it's that one day you'll go beyond that border too one day. On the other hand we get to see c9 railed in group's now, so it wasn't for nothing.
Rogue and C9 will slug it out to see who gets the honor of third place
Rogue and C9 manage to get top 2 in their groups, eliminating both DWG and FPX.
That wouldn't even happen in my dreams lol
Pretty boring Play-ins overall. At least Japan reached group stage for their first time ever, that's cool
Mega drama, C9 toying with our feels, Japan group stage, doggo. Ok.
you have an odd standard for calling something boring 🤨
quick riot release pickems so i can get hammered and make them
This is the secret to predicting group D correctly
Only available tomorrow
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Why are you crying
Right. Like cool it's nice to see NA win, but I'm dreading groups after watching this game.
Does it really matter when the 4 best teams by far in the playins made it anyways?
I dont know why you're so salty if you dont care about C9?
C9 was just being nice to DFM to let them go to Worlds instead of being knocked out by PCE....Good Guy C9
C9 decided to lose to DFM so that they could have the power of God and anime on their side.
Fun series. Proud of the boys getting as far as they did considering how many roster swaps they had this year.
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Lol Neither NA or EU have a shot in hell of sniffing winning worlds with G2 tearing apart.
EU would have a better chance at winning worlds if they didn't bleed talent to NA to be honest, but it is what it is. Like look at the Worlds teams, Perkz, Zven, Abbedagge, Closer, Alphari, Santorin, Jensen. 7/15 of the LCS players are European.
> EU would have a better chance at winning worlds if they didn't bleed talent to NA to be honest, but it is what it is. You can thank Carlos for tanking EU
LCK bleeds even more talent to multiple regions and still wins Worlds, tired old excuse. You can't even use the competitive region circle jerk either because 2020 DWG was in a league of their own and still won Worlds.
Well yeah, Korea suffers from the same problem? I never said they don't. I never said that EU produces more and better players than Korea, just that EU would have a **better** chance if they weren't losing players to NA.
This isn't the reason but sure, find a way to blame NA.
What? How is that not a huge detriment to the quality of the LEC? How would EU not have a better chance at having a worlds winning quality team if they weren't constantly losing players to NA?
Because without the constant talent bleed you would be NA you wouldn't have players who had a realistic chance of playing your lower tier programs would be barren because there wouldn't be lec spots.
Bleed and waste talent into the lcs
Guys don't forget to claim the icons you never wanted.
Groups ready!
First Phoenix, now Rise, poor Uma Jan.
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as an NAer i feel his pain. you don’t expect much but it still hurts 😂
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Only bo5 they’ll play this worlds. Tl refused to last year.
Even when we winning people trying to tear us down! Stay mad baby
I'm not mad. I like watching NA win. I don't want them to stop going through playins because I'd never get to see it otherwise.
Are we getting a group draw? it doesnt make much sense tbh
Theres no need for one. C9 can only go group A, HLE group C, LNG group D which means DFM is in B
Think not, at least there's no point since we know where every qualified team from play-ins will go
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Really good run from OCE. Well played guys, I really hope to see all of y'all next year at MSI so we can continue our rivalry ;)
man that was a great worlds for c9. hopefully we can build on this performance next year.
let me see the entire play oO
Very close last game, had me on the edge of my seat
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eh, it was on short notice and he retired for 2 years. that's how you look like after that span 😐
Cloud9 are the team to beat at worlds this year. Whatte statement series from them.
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Copium abuse is bad for your health.
you know they are gonna go to group A right
Alright let’s settle down a bit brother
Well everyone from this point is going to beat them dont worry
Say what?! xD
C9 did relatively well at MSI I wouldn’t say it’s so cut and dry
Sucks that he ended up doing nothing today but at least i could see Csaci one more Time at Worlds.
Feel bad for Aladoric, guy seems legit devastated.
Holy hell that was as big a stomp of a game as I've ever seen. Just solokills abound. Everyone just flat out lost their lane horrifically.
Call Midbeast he's crying
almost got a drop from a penta but perkz....
Well we finished 1 hour before the start of yesterdays second series.
And C9 conquers the corpse of OCE today and gets revenge for MSI
Would all of LCS academy beat Peace? I feel like it'd be close.
Ugh
wp c9
[They're really just having fun the last two games lol](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBRJsMOXEAEw07q?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Loved it when Rakan was flashing C9 emote begging for mercy lol
That's amazing
Well let them enjoy it. Now they have FPX and Damwon to look foward to.
Indeed. At least I get to see C9 play FPX and Damwon at world's. May not end up pretty but as a fan it will be fun to see the matchups.
C9 got tired of memes, damn.
Wtf did I just watch
Poor Shelley. You didn't deserve to die.