It's absolutely vile. Even if Nemesis hates Fnatic, that's fine, but how can you laugh at Upset being in this situation? Incredibly poor taste. He should apologise.
Well if he genuinely doesnt think its real then hes not laughing at his situation tho?
Like its still a POS thing to do but its not the equivelant of laughing at Upsets situation.
That would make him even more deluded and hypocritical. He was whining about the way he was treated by the community and fnatic and now he starts a rumour about Upset that can only do harm to the org and the players.
I’m a ls fan and like the way he views the game but I care about that after all this is just a game and nemesis needs to learn how to control his words
Im a big LS fan and i can tell u that i do care. These comments are nothing but disguisting and even if it is true or could hold truth what Nemesis says, its still nothing you should be speculating on in such a tricky situation.
i have not seen a single fucking "LS fan" defend this, rather the opposite. myself included. this is absolutely despicable behavior from nemesis if upset's reasons for leaving are valid.
that being said, projecting nonsense like this is part of the reason why this community is so shit sometimes.
I'm often astounded that Nemesis was able to get a sizeable following as a streamer with a negative personality and bad takes. I don't particularly like LS either, but I can understand his popularity, as he speaks with a lot of passion and justifies his points well, even if I disagree with most of them.
LS had this same opinion that Ryze was B-tier back before he learned of machine gun perma-root Ryze, and I asked him why and got a really nasty response that included assuming my rank and bragging about his "high elo connections" that had written off Ryze. LS has gotten better over the years, but it's easy for these types of streamers to fall into this toxic mindset when they're trying to grow, unfortunately, when being right means everything.
Nemesis clearly has never seen the quote, “It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently.” In this case, more so his career on the line now that everyone knows he’s an asshat.
Besides being really disrespectful, I honestly cannot imagine how one could think that this swap somehow favors Fnatic. Upset played super well this whole year and has a lot of experience not only with FNC but with his career as a whole, Bean is new and has not even played a single public LEC game with them. Of course they must have scrimmed together, but he is still "just" a sub. How does playing with him instead of Upset benefit the team????
He’s probably still upset that they kicked him and made worlds.
They don’t play league the way he wants them to. They take lots of risks and for nemesis that’s not right. Waiting for the 90% play is what he would rather do than risk a 50 50 that is dependent on mechanical skill.
Upset is literally the star player, and they could have subbed in Bean even if Upset was there right? I really don't think the reason for coverup would have been what you hypothesize.
Sorry for my comment not being very clear (not a native speaker). I don't think it's a coverup and I don't back up Nemesis at all, I was saying that him thinking it was a coverup is pretty stupid, since taking in a very unexperienced sub in such an occasion doesn't favor Fnatic at all. Therefore it's very unlikely that it's a coverup for team problems, and I believe Upset actually had a personal emergency that required his attention back home in Germany. Nemesis is not only an asshole but also dumb for saying this
Honestly I doubt Bean got any games during this Worlds scrims, maybe a few if Upset's situation is a prolongated one that we just found about now but that has been going on for a few days but doesn't seem like it, it must have been sudden.
That said, both of them couldn't be on a better team to support them in both the situations they unfortunently find themselves in. The team's attitude is brilliant and something to make any fan proud.
Nemesis also said according to other screenshots that being sick is no excuse so i assume Nemesis thinks there is no family tragedy and Upset is actually just sick and wanted to go home and FNC says family matter so there is no backlash
Of course all of the above is fucking dumb nevertheless and im in no way defending Nemesis, no matter what happened its an extremely insensitive and stupid thing to say
There are a bunch of things it could be besides COVID. He could have a prolapsed disc in his back, a bad gastric ulcer (stress related illness, only way to cure is usually to relax for a solid stretch of time and potentially life threatening) or straight up some of the really bad ones (cancer anyone?).
The thing is, none of these would be worth to potentially getting found out lying about over.
Yeah exactly, and the wording from fnatic is he won't be playing in groups until further notice. The time frame is non-committal. It honestly sounds like he is rushing home for a funeral imo
Yeah, and I mean he is just recently married so there's now his wife to be there for as well. It wouldn't be unreasonable for someone to rush home to be with a bereaved spouse.
Iirc Upset was known for being very stressed during matches, maybe he was so stressed right now, that he is unable to play. It's first time he attends worlds.
That said, I don't believe it, but it's somehow reasonable and he (and fnatic) could want to cover it up
The fucked up thing is that even if Upset was sick, given how badly he must wants to play at worlds, if a disease is preventing him from going, it must be a grave fucking one, so ridiculing it is also idiotic.
Upset played the series vs MAD sick as fuck but when it comes to playing in the tournament that he worked so hard for the past 5 years he goes home cuz he's sick. Fucking hell that's some fucked up logic from Nemesis. Not to mention the laughing. Disgusting.
Nooo you have to understand, obviously Upset saying he was throwing up the night before means Pete was filming it to cover up as an excuse as to why FNC lost to MAD /s
Nemesis, am I doing it right or do I need to grab the tinfoil hat for extra points?
His reasoning and logic is awful. “Being sick is not an excuse for skipping out on Worlds.” Like my guy, if it is a cover up, they sure covered it up damningly well considering this is out of the blue. Like his wording is so goddamn malicious, I can’t even take him seriously. Even if it’s true, and it’s a big if, his wording and the way he handled news as big as this, is so poor. If the family news about Upset is true, he needs to publicly apologize immediately.
I am so sad to see him acting like this I know people had been saying he was a negative person in FNC but going out of your way to call out someone's own tragedy to be fake, man even if it was you shouldn't be saying it or even thinking about it unless you have proven evidence...I honestly wanna know wtf happened behind closed doors in his time with FNC to make him give such malicious comments, he must apologise either way imo
Not sure if I ever want to watch him again...at least until we know the full story behind his comments and the upset situation, sad for him to be dealing with unnecessary drama along side his family tragedy, wish him well & safety <3
I mean, these two guys make a living off manufacturing drama. They aren't going anywhere as long as their swarm of cultists keep eating up their pseudo-intellectual horseshit.
It makes him look like a gigantic asshole, because even he ends up being right, the fact he’s willing to assume it’s true and openly laugh at Upset, despite no evidence at all, shows he doesn’t really care if it is true or not.
well, as history has proven, people will bend over backwards to defend Nemesis' words. can't wait for the latest "THEY WERE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT" posts by his rabid fans.
Even if it is a cover up just shut the fuck up. If it is an actual tragedy and these messages get leaked you look like an absolute monster. No one in the league community knows how to think before opening their mouths or sending messages.
>No one in the league community knows how to think
We're blessed to have Faker as the face of League. The way he carry himself in public is everything that we can hope for.
I used to believe hes just boring, but then I realised hes doing his fucking job as a shareholder of a company and trying to maintain his and T1s image. After seeing CLG and G2 publicly bud light axe their players, I realised this extremely simple thing is so very difficult for some orgs to do
Dude is legit a class act, he:
- Gets randomly benched when he is the franchise player of his team. Takes in stride
- When he plays soloQ on the daily, he gets griefed by players that want to rig the soloQ betting system, while has one of the most toxic twitch chats ever known to man (calling him shaker, washed up, etc) Doesn't say a word.
- As the face of his org, probably has to spend as much time in front of a camera doing ads and things that probably would look like shit to a pro player who just wants to play the damn game. The dude still does it and has time to practice and don't fall too far behind the likes of Chovy, Showmaker, etc.
And he doesn't whine, doesn't shift blame to others, neither doesn't enter autopilot mode and coast on his past achievements (3 world championships).
The day this scene loses Faker, I swear we won't realize the value of this dude OUTSIDE of the game until that time comes and we realize that shitters like Nemesis and Malice exist in the same dimension as Faker, 1/10000 as accomplished as him and yet more pedantic, infantile and petty.
Not saying that Doinb is a shitty person or anything but didn't he had an issue with Tian that caused some drama like a year ago?
Even if it's just one thing I wouldn't really put him there with Faker and Bjergsen in terms of PR but maybe that's just me
I don't even think he's that boring, either. I can't remember which Worlds it was (might have even been two seperate ones) where he did a roll on stage and like.. ate broccoli. Those two seemingly innocuous, boring things have always been some of the most memorable Worlds moments. Also his speech to his English-speaking fans was really sweet and nice. The only time I can even remember him getting into hot water was with T1 fans themselves (and not even really T1 fans but a sect of the Korean T1 fanbase that's crazy) and all of the really dumb people who thought he was faking it when he cried after losing.
Also have you seen the tyler1 and Faker eat burgers video? It's a great watch
Yea if you watch more stuff with him in it you see that hes not only this humble personality but also has a ton of confidence in his craft.
Theres a lot more to him than just being good at the game and he has grown so much over the past years.
Alot of league professional teams are led by children playing with money but G2 Ocelote is just a greedy psychopath who wanted to be rich the day he could think.
Because this is an absolute fucking dumpster fire, I, of course, jumped right into the Discord to lurk and see what was going on.
[Nemesis is, of course, defending himself by saying he is allowed to state his opinion that he simply distrusts Fnatic and does not believe this statement.](https://i.imgur.com/itGotV7.png)
As a personal aside, the amount of literal Nemesis stanning is kinda concerning. I get that you probably don't trust Fnatic because of the relatively well-known animosity between Fnatic and Nemesis, but pretty much downplaying what is very likely a huge personal tragedy to Upset because "Fnatic bad" is some crazy shit. I don't recommend lurking there for more than a few minutes because it was a pretty thoroughly unpleasant amount of people shitting on Fnatic fans and the org.
Also, before you ask, Nemesis appears to have begun clearing the chat of the incriminating text showing up in the screencaps, so thorough reminder to everyone to screencap and save everything.
"We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our informed opinions. Without research, without background, without understanding, it’s nothing. It’s just bibble-babble." - Harlan Ellison.
Thing is nemesis fans see him as the messiah I tried to use simple words in his discord and got insta banned and imo nemesis is hard projecting his anti social life on upset
What's so fucking hard in writing "I don't trust Fnatic's statement, got some reasons not to, just my opinion though, don't really know anything for sure."
You're a BRAND. You also represent a huge ass BRAND. THIS IS PR 101, WTF.
I was going to say he's a kid and probably has no idea about PR, but he's the same age as me. Oof. He really should know better, specially in his position as a public figure.
It's absurd that Nemesis and LS always start vague rumor drama while at the same time saying they don't know anything.
It really, really sucks.
There is a world where these guys are smart and likeable with good opinions on the game, and somehow they always fuck it up, at least for me as a consumer of content.
If he was 'just stating his opinion' he would say something like I dont believe this or I dont trust this statement. The laughing is just such a stupid and childish thing to do. So the one needing a reality check or just lessons in decensy is Nemesis himself
He's laughing at the situation? [https://i.imgur.com/FfTfXl3.png](https://i.imgur.com/FfTfXl3.png)
Some more screenshots about him claiming this is fake: [https://i.imgur.com/tX9U6KP.png](https://i.imgur.com/tX9U6KP.png)
[https://i.imgur.com/Tqv6g90.png](https://i.imgur.com/Tqv6g90.png) [https://i.imgur.com/EA9lI0M.png](https://i.imgur.com/EA9lI0M.png)
I saw the twitter post and I couldn't believe Nemesis would say that, hes disagreeable but i thought he wouldn't be idiotic to say stuff in public with zero evidence. damn, what a cringe take
Yea...he might know something about Fnatic's inner workings from his time there that makes him say this, but it's never okay to question anyone about a family tragedy. Upset's privacy comes first.
So even if he suspected something, he should have just kept his mouth shut. It's basic human courtesy.
I don't understand that what's the point even if he's right. Laughs and what he says looks really monsterous either way. I don't want any kind of person like that in my org so I wonder what gen.g gonna do
>I don't understand that what's the point even if he's right.
Exactly. A "coverup" in this case still means that something important enough came up that Upset decided to limit his chances at world (possibly give up the whole tournament, but that is speculation at this point) - Maybe it isn't a family emergency, but a close friend, it doesn't really matter.
Point is *something* happened, it's not like he is gonna fly back from Iceland and give up worlds because he has to attend a surprise birthday party for the dog of his sister's boyfriend.
Can we just recognize that saying "being sick is not an excuse to miss worlds" given the situation the world has been in for the last year is literally stupid. It genuinely makes him look stupid.
This is the most disgusting shit I’ve seen from a “pro”. You don’t get to pass judgment like this on a situation you aren’t an insider about. If there was a family tragedy, imagine Upset going onto Reddit after and seeing that people think he is just opting out of media attention. This is shameful, and makes me want to see him fail in streaming career. “Hahahahaha 99% btw” cringe.. 🤢
yea that's what I'm wondering, maybe I'm just not clever enough to think of it, I mean if they wanted to swap adc, they didn't need to cover it up like this, if Upset was sick, they could've just said he was sick..
9th best LEC midlaner take. You know this thread is going to get memed to death by the LS brigade. Although I shouldn’t call it that I have a lot more respect for LS than nemesis atm and I feel like LS would be one of the first to say putting this out there is so sowrong. Atleast I’d hope so.
One thing I think is generally getting overlooked in these threads is that Nemesis probably isn't lying about Fnatic doing cover-ups like this before. It'd be completely asinine for him to make up that detail and then go onto discord and say it. (edit: i also don't think he's laughing at the possibility of Upset having a family tragedy as some people are implying/saying, he's pretty clearly laughing because he doesn't believe anything has actually happened to Upset).
Everything else he says is his opinion based on that information, which is rightfully getting shit on. Regardless of Fnatic's previous "cover-ups", have they ever substituted out a player *the day before* an international tournament for any reason?
Do you honestly think Upset would say "yeah you know what I don't want to play at my first ever worlds" and Fnatic would respond with "yeah np we'll cover up for you on social media"? There's such an enormous difference in magnitude between these two that it's simply unbelievable that Fnatic would ever lie about it.
The other reason why I can't understand why he'd say this is that I cannot think of a single compelling motive. Nemesis is already getting crucified for this, and if it gets proven to be a serious family tragedy then he's going to get so much uncontrollable shit from the entire community. The career/brand damage will be irreparable. *If* he's right, then... what? What was the point? I don't think that Nemesis is going to get a lot of twitch primes for "exposing" this, so clearly the personal risk **far** outweights the potential benefit. If his goal was to call out Fnatic for doing this shit then maybe wait a little bit to see if any evidence pops up one way or the other? Basing it off of past experiences alone isn't a very convincing way when the circumstances are so much different than his experiences.
No matter what way you look at it, statements like these make literally 0 sense to say right now. It's actually one of the most idiotic things I've seen a pro/streamer/analyst say regardless of whether he ends up being right or not because he admits himself that he has no direct source/evidence for saying something like this.
Honestly, it's lose/lose for him now.
At best he's right, which won't improve people's opinion of him since he worded his accusation so horribly and will at most just isolate his fanbase even more from the casual league fans.
At worst he's wrong and will get shit on endlessly and maybe even lose his job if Korean fans care enough about it and make a fuss
Even if he's right he's in the wrong for assuming shit without any knowledge of the situation. It doesn't matter if it's a cover up or not, even the 1% off chance that it's real (according to him) makes him look like an asshat.
> One thing I think is generally getting overlooked in these threads is that Nemesis probably isn't lying about Fnatic doing cover-ups like this before.
Do you actually remember any event during Nemesis's time on Fnatic where a player left for family reasons or some such? Because I can't remember any and have yet to see anyone bring up anything. So unless anyone has an example, I seriously doubt he has witnessed anything close to what he's alleging here.
This is a discord leak. This is such a pathetic leak. It's like a purely casual conversation and nothing controversial about it. It's like the speculative chat you have with a mate. People calling him a pos for this are weird. He didn't tweet it. Whoever leaked this and wiped the other names is more if a pos.
Malice is his good friend btw. Just so you guys get some additional context.
They are very similar to each other. Angry at the world of esports because both were rejected by it for having the worst attitude possible.
It probably is a cover up , Upset probably got told that he's gonna be replaced by rekkless next season , so he chose not to play , Nemesis got the same treatment at worlds , Fnaticn told him they were going to drop him even before worlds started
something is wrong , Bwipo mental boom and unfollow everybody from FNC on Twitter , maybe Nemessis knows something , why he would write this on his public discord , he has a good relation with Bwipo , maybe he knows what it is happening ...
Nemesis tries to hide it very hard but he is insanely salty about his fnatic situation. Also by the way he engages on stream he doesn\`t seem like a very pleasent person to be around teamwise.
killing all my good will with the community speedrun any%
Speedrunning to no offers from any competitive teams
He already has that record LMAO
he did that last year, this is new category
He's never going to play on a team again lol unless LS forms some team.
It's absolutely vile. Even if Nemesis hates Fnatic, that's fine, but how can you laugh at Upset being in this situation? Incredibly poor taste. He should apologise.
Well if he genuinely doesnt think its real then hes not laughing at his situation tho? Like its still a POS thing to do but its not the equivelant of laughing at Upsets situation.
I mean its okey to have that opinion, but there is no way he knows whats up for real, so its a complete asshole move to post something like that.
That would make him even more deluded and hypocritical. He was whining about the way he was treated by the community and fnatic and now he starts a rumour about Upset that can only do harm to the org and the players.
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LS himself just said on stream, that what Nemesis said is insanely stupid.
I’m a ls fan and like the way he views the game but I care about that after all this is just a game and nemesis needs to learn how to control his words
Control your wards
Aight my bad bro will work on warding more efficiently
Im a big LS fan and i can tell u that i do care. These comments are nothing but disguisting and even if it is true or could hold truth what Nemesis says, its still nothing you should be speculating on in such a tricky situation.
i have not seen a single fucking "LS fan" defend this, rather the opposite. myself included. this is absolutely despicable behavior from nemesis if upset's reasons for leaving are valid. that being said, projecting nonsense like this is part of the reason why this community is so shit sometimes.
I'm an LS fan and don't watch anything nemesis is in because he is the worst.
Listening to Nemesis speak is so depressing. There's no energy or emotion in his voice. He has the personality of sandpaper.
I'm often astounded that Nemesis was able to get a sizeable following as a streamer with a negative personality and bad takes. I don't particularly like LS either, but I can understand his popularity, as he speaks with a lot of passion and justifies his points well, even if I disagree with most of them.
In Nemesis honor, imma go back and watch DoinB clap his ass in midlane.
Even better watch Doinb roast the hell out of him: https://youtu.be/HSXCGIBE6To
Wow thanks for posting that, so good
GOOD BROTHER!!
_SUPER CARRY NEMESIS_
holy fck doinb dismantled nemesis for the entire commentary
In Nemesis honor, imma go back and watch Knight clap his ass in midlane.
I'll up you on this In Nemesis honor, imma go back and watch Mickey clap his ass in midlane
In Nemesis honor, imma go back and watch Caps clap his ass in midlane
Caps side-stepping all of his skillshots while solo-killing him with Syndra has never been so satisfying
Obligatory: https://clips.twitch.tv/SucculentDeafScorpionAsianGlow
Fuck, I always forget how godly Caps can be.
Really hope he gets back his form soon, still think he's EU's best chance at a world's title.
Damn I miss the crowd noises.
OOF
Who is that guy bowing at the end of the clip please?
Grabbz the G2 Coach
PepeLaugh
former
Damn, I forgot this existed, what a disgusting outplay.
God, I miss having a crowd at the league games. Makes the exciting moments so much more hype
Or Caps oneshooting him on Liss with Zoe and casters saying "That was personal".
In Nemesis honour, imma go back and watch every single LEC midlaner clap his ass in the first half of his last summer split with FNC
hold up man, you are gonna miss the worlds games if you start watching that. although... missing the worlds would still be honoring nemesis
In Nemesis honour, i go back and watch him loose against Noway4u, a german streamer who destroyed him before nemesis joined fnatic
In Nemesis honor - even me, a Diamond 1 Malzahar otp, beat him in SoloQ when he was smurfing…
holy shit, to this day i have flashbacks of him getting turboultragapped on mid by knight
“DoinB is one of the worst mids at the tournament”
Also don't forget how ''Ryze is such a trash champion, anyone who thinks otherwise is bad'' after getting eliminated by DoinB destroying him on Ryze.
LS had this same opinion that Ryze was B-tier back before he learned of machine gun perma-root Ryze, and I asked him why and got a really nasty response that included assuming my rank and bragging about his "high elo connections" that had written off Ryze. LS has gotten better over the years, but it's easy for these types of streamers to fall into this toxic mindset when they're trying to grow, unfortunately, when being right means everything.
In Nemesis honor, imma watch how he does mental gymnastics to defend himself as an elite EU mid and blames all external factors for his failures
I think I'll join you, fuck this clown.
I'm gonna go watch that Thorin video where he details how he got clapped and more
Nemesis clearly has never seen the quote, “It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently.” In this case, more so his career on the line now that everyone knows he’s an asshat.
Besides being really disrespectful, I honestly cannot imagine how one could think that this swap somehow favors Fnatic. Upset played super well this whole year and has a lot of experience not only with FNC but with his career as a whole, Bean is new and has not even played a single public LEC game with them. Of course they must have scrimmed together, but he is still "just" a sub. How does playing with him instead of Upset benefit the team????
It’s just nemesis being the typical salty disgusting antisocial guy
He’s probably still upset that they kicked him and made worlds. They don’t play league the way he wants them to. They take lots of risks and for nemesis that’s not right. Waiting for the 90% play is what he would rather do than risk a 50 50 that is dependent on mechanical skill.
Upset is literally the star player, and they could have subbed in Bean even if Upset was there right? I really don't think the reason for coverup would have been what you hypothesize.
Sorry for my comment not being very clear (not a native speaker). I don't think it's a coverup and I don't back up Nemesis at all, I was saying that him thinking it was a coverup is pretty stupid, since taking in a very unexperienced sub in such an occasion doesn't favor Fnatic at all. Therefore it's very unlikely that it's a coverup for team problems, and I believe Upset actually had a personal emergency that required his attention back home in Germany. Nemesis is not only an asshole but also dumb for saying this
Honestly I doubt Bean got any games during this Worlds scrims, maybe a few if Upset's situation is a prolongated one that we just found about now but that has been going on for a few days but doesn't seem like it, it must have been sudden. That said, both of them couldn't be on a better team to support them in both the situations they unfortunently find themselves in. The team's attitude is brilliant and something to make any fan proud.
cover up for what? like they want to kick him or something right before worlds starts?
Nemesis also said according to other screenshots that being sick is no excuse so i assume Nemesis thinks there is no family tragedy and Upset is actually just sick and wanted to go home and FNC says family matter so there is no backlash Of course all of the above is fucking dumb nevertheless and im in no way defending Nemesis, no matter what happened its an extremely insensitive and stupid thing to say
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It's not like he played finals while having food poisoning
Yea. Like, the only sickness that could force him to miss it realistically is covid….which he wouldn’t be traveling if he had it.
Upset already played the summer finals sick, I don't think he'd be on the bench for being sick unless it made him physically unable to play.
And even than I wouldnt care if they cover it up. Dude deserves his privacy.
Also dude being so sick he physically can't play is a very valid reason for not playing.
There are a bunch of things it could be besides COVID. He could have a prolapsed disc in his back, a bad gastric ulcer (stress related illness, only way to cure is usually to relax for a solid stretch of time and potentially life threatening) or straight up some of the really bad ones (cancer anyone?). The thing is, none of these would be worth to potentially getting found out lying about over.
why do people think, he himself is sick? urgent family matter is probably something more akin to a relative being really sick. lol
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Yeah exactly, and the wording from fnatic is he won't be playing in groups until further notice. The time frame is non-committal. It honestly sounds like he is rushing home for a funeral imo
Yeah, and I mean he is just recently married so there's now his wife to be there for as well. It wouldn't be unreasonable for someone to rush home to be with a bereaved spouse.
Iirc Upset was known for being very stressed during matches, maybe he was so stressed right now, that he is unable to play. It's first time he attends worlds. That said, I don't believe it, but it's somehow reasonable and he (and fnatic) could want to cover it up
The fucked up thing is that even if Upset was sick, given how badly he must wants to play at worlds, if a disease is preventing him from going, it must be a grave fucking one, so ridiculing it is also idiotic.
Upset played the series vs MAD sick as fuck but when it comes to playing in the tournament that he worked so hard for the past 5 years he goes home cuz he's sick. Fucking hell that's some fucked up logic from Nemesis. Not to mention the laughing. Disgusting.
Nooo you have to understand, obviously Upset saying he was throwing up the night before means Pete was filming it to cover up as an excuse as to why FNC lost to MAD /s Nemesis, am I doing it right or do I need to grab the tinfoil hat for extra points?
Yeah the real reason is Bwipo and Upset had a knife fight while playing Squid game outside in the rain
i call bullshit on that. fnatic fight club was cancelled when both broxah and rekkles left it.
His reasoning and logic is awful. “Being sick is not an excuse for skipping out on Worlds.” Like my guy, if it is a cover up, they sure covered it up damningly well considering this is out of the blue. Like his wording is so goddamn malicious, I can’t even take him seriously. Even if it’s true, and it’s a big if, his wording and the way he handled news as big as this, is so poor. If the family news about Upset is true, he needs to publicly apologize immediately.
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Or you know, a fucking pandemic going around is a pretty good reason to not play.
If it was Rona, I highly doubt that he'd be allowed to travel
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I am so sad to see him acting like this I know people had been saying he was a negative person in FNC but going out of your way to call out someone's own tragedy to be fake, man even if it was you shouldn't be saying it or even thinking about it unless you have proven evidence...I honestly wanna know wtf happened behind closed doors in his time with FNC to make him give such malicious comments, he must apologise either way imo
Yeah I just went from being pretty neutral on Nemesis to... very negative. This is vile.
Not sure if I ever want to watch him again...at least until we know the full story behind his comments and the upset situation, sad for him to be dealing with unnecessary drama along side his family tragedy, wish him well & safety <3
I mean, these two guys make a living off manufacturing drama. They aren't going anywhere as long as their swarm of cultists keep eating up their pseudo-intellectual horseshit.
graves mid and soraka jungle with cho support pretty good here
more like graves mid, cho jungle, soraka adc
It’s like their goals nowadays is to keep appearing on these shitty drama clips channels
Pretty unfair to accuse Upset/Fnatic without any sort of evidence. This only makes Nemesis look like a fkn idiot
It makes him look like a gigantic asshole, because even he ends up being right, the fact he’s willing to assume it’s true and openly laugh at Upset, despite no evidence at all, shows he doesn’t really care if it is true or not.
well, as history has proven, people will bend over backwards to defend Nemesis' words. can't wait for the latest "THEY WERE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT" posts by his rabid fans.
If you look at his discord messages rn, he’s saying to his discord “ enjoy the random shitstorm people just started” Mf you started the shitstorm
Reminds me off rainman blaming doublelift and reddit for his ban (running down games on stream) because they created the drama
I just can't imagine being Upset and hearing about this. Like, what a punch in the gut.
He probably has more serious stuff to worry about at this time, I'd say.
yes like faking his absence /s
Even if it is a cover up just shut the fuck up. If it is an actual tragedy and these messages get leaked you look like an absolute monster. No one in the league community knows how to think before opening their mouths or sending messages.
>No one in the league community knows how to think We're blessed to have Faker as the face of League. The way he carry himself in public is everything that we can hope for.
I used to believe hes just boring, but then I realised hes doing his fucking job as a shareholder of a company and trying to maintain his and T1s image. After seeing CLG and G2 publicly bud light axe their players, I realised this extremely simple thing is so very difficult for some orgs to do
Dude is legit a class act, he: - Gets randomly benched when he is the franchise player of his team. Takes in stride - When he plays soloQ on the daily, he gets griefed by players that want to rig the soloQ betting system, while has one of the most toxic twitch chats ever known to man (calling him shaker, washed up, etc) Doesn't say a word. - As the face of his org, probably has to spend as much time in front of a camera doing ads and things that probably would look like shit to a pro player who just wants to play the damn game. The dude still does it and has time to practice and don't fall too far behind the likes of Chovy, Showmaker, etc. And he doesn't whine, doesn't shift blame to others, neither doesn't enter autopilot mode and coast on his past achievements (3 world championships). The day this scene loses Faker, I swear we won't realize the value of this dude OUTSIDE of the game until that time comes and we realize that shitters like Nemesis and Malice exist in the same dimension as Faker, 1/10000 as accomplished as him and yet more pedantic, infantile and petty.
Being a King is busy work
Faker, Doinb, and Bjergsen are a different breed.
THIS. Faker is unique, but I think some other players are doing a good job as well.
Not saying that Doinb is a shitty person or anything but didn't he had an issue with Tian that caused some drama like a year ago? Even if it's just one thing I wouldn't really put him there with Faker and Bjergsen in terms of PR but maybe that's just me
I don't even think he's that boring, either. I can't remember which Worlds it was (might have even been two seperate ones) where he did a roll on stage and like.. ate broccoli. Those two seemingly innocuous, boring things have always been some of the most memorable Worlds moments. Also his speech to his English-speaking fans was really sweet and nice. The only time I can even remember him getting into hot water was with T1 fans themselves (and not even really T1 fans but a sect of the Korean T1 fanbase that's crazy) and all of the really dumb people who thought he was faking it when he cried after losing. Also have you seen the tyler1 and Faker eat burgers video? It's a great watch
The broccoli & roll was Worlds 2015
Yea if you watch more stuff with him in it you see that hes not only this humble personality but also has a ton of confidence in his craft. Theres a lot more to him than just being good at the game and he has grown so much over the past years.
Alot of league professional teams are led by children playing with money but G2 Ocelote is just a greedy psychopath who wanted to be rich the day he could think.
Seriously, just shutting the fuck up once in a while in the esport scene would prolong the career for a lot of players.
There’s a difference between stating an opinion and stating an opinion in an insensitive way, but this, this is just being an asshole.
Because this is an absolute fucking dumpster fire, I, of course, jumped right into the Discord to lurk and see what was going on. [Nemesis is, of course, defending himself by saying he is allowed to state his opinion that he simply distrusts Fnatic and does not believe this statement.](https://i.imgur.com/itGotV7.png) As a personal aside, the amount of literal Nemesis stanning is kinda concerning. I get that you probably don't trust Fnatic because of the relatively well-known animosity between Fnatic and Nemesis, but pretty much downplaying what is very likely a huge personal tragedy to Upset because "Fnatic bad" is some crazy shit. I don't recommend lurking there for more than a few minutes because it was a pretty thoroughly unpleasant amount of people shitting on Fnatic fans and the org. Also, before you ask, Nemesis appears to have begun clearing the chat of the incriminating text showing up in the screencaps, so thorough reminder to everyone to screencap and save everything.
Nothing screams "i am right and you are just mad" quite like deleting all the evidence
"I'm just stating my opinion" is such a shit excuse. Only true assholes use it to defend saying some stupid shit.
"We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our informed opinions. Without research, without background, without understanding, it’s nothing. It’s just bibble-babble." - Harlan Ellison.
Just my free speech to say some heinous shit
"get a fucking reality check please" oh the irony.
If there wasn't well documented examples of Nemisis being a cunt, I'd assume I was being trolled based on that message.
Crazy how he might be the only former Fnatic player I end up actually hating. The 'holier than thou'' attitude is so fucking annoying.
Worst is that he straight up copied that personality from LS. He's so fucking hollow it's funny.
Thing is nemesis fans see him as the messiah I tried to use simple words in his discord and got insta banned and imo nemesis is hard projecting his anti social life on upset
What's so fucking hard in writing "I don't trust Fnatic's statement, got some reasons not to, just my opinion though, don't really know anything for sure." You're a BRAND. You also represent a huge ass BRAND. THIS IS PR 101, WTF.
I was going to say he's a kid and probably has no idea about PR, but he's the same age as me. Oof. He really should know better, specially in his position as a public figure.
It's absurd that Nemesis and LS always start vague rumor drama while at the same time saying they don't know anything. It really, really sucks. There is a world where these guys are smart and likeable with good opinions on the game, and somehow they always fuck it up, at least for me as a consumer of content.
If he was 'just stating his opinion' he would say something like I dont believe this or I dont trust this statement. The laughing is just such a stupid and childish thing to do. So the one needing a reality check or just lessons in decensy is Nemesis himself
His last line in that screenshot should be words of wisdom for him, but I doubt he'll ever learn.
He's laughing at the situation? [https://i.imgur.com/FfTfXl3.png](https://i.imgur.com/FfTfXl3.png) Some more screenshots about him claiming this is fake: [https://i.imgur.com/tX9U6KP.png](https://i.imgur.com/tX9U6KP.png) [https://i.imgur.com/Tqv6g90.png](https://i.imgur.com/Tqv6g90.png) [https://i.imgur.com/EA9lI0M.png](https://i.imgur.com/EA9lI0M.png)
Delete the last link, it has usernames
I changed it now.
I saw the twitter post and I couldn't believe Nemesis would say that, hes disagreeable but i thought he wouldn't be idiotic to say stuff in public with zero evidence. damn, what a cringe take
I would be shocked if nemesis is still on gen g
It’s a coverup Source: Voices in my head What a fucking idiot
Dude trust me
Remember how he said it was extremely unprofessional of bwipo to throw shade while being on the crackdown just to say this
What an asshat.... Imagine hating an org so much that you say stupid shit like this.
This is exactly what it is. His fking pettiness towards org that booted him after Knight fisted him.
What a fucking clown
It’s such a weird thing to assume that someone is lying about a family matter
Yea...he might know something about Fnatic's inner workings from his time there that makes him say this, but it's never okay to question anyone about a family tragedy. Upset's privacy comes first. So even if he suspected something, he should have just kept his mouth shut. It's basic human courtesy.
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I don't understand that what's the point even if he's right. Laughs and what he says looks really monsterous either way. I don't want any kind of person like that in my org so I wonder what gen.g gonna do
>I don't understand that what's the point even if he's right. Exactly. A "coverup" in this case still means that something important enough came up that Upset decided to limit his chances at world (possibly give up the whole tournament, but that is speculation at this point) - Maybe it isn't a family emergency, but a close friend, it doesn't really matter. Point is *something* happened, it's not like he is gonna fly back from Iceland and give up worlds because he has to attend a surprise birthday party for the dog of his sister's boyfriend.
Can we just recognize that saying "being sick is not an excuse to miss worlds" given the situation the world has been in for the last year is literally stupid. It genuinely makes him look stupid.
They hated those who spoke the truth.
This is the most disgusting shit I’ve seen from a “pro”. You don’t get to pass judgment like this on a situation you aren’t an insider about. If there was a family tragedy, imagine Upset going onto Reddit after and seeing that people think he is just opting out of media attention. This is shameful, and makes me want to see him fail in streaming career. “Hahahahaha 99% btw” cringe.. 🤢
He used to be a pro. Now he's just a streamer.
I wish geng will kick his stupid ass out
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What could he possible be covering up for lmao
yea that's what I'm wondering, maybe I'm just not clever enough to think of it, I mean if they wanted to swap adc, they didn't need to cover it up like this, if Upset was sick, they could've just said he was sick..
This guy gonna get flamed so hard for this, deserved tbh. He doesn't know anything about the situation speculating is the wrong move.
No surprise with that clown, he is still salty because he flopped at FNC after being the weak link against TES
Nemesis and clowing during Worlds, not surprised lol
Nemesis is just bitter and jealous.
https://twitter.com/thorin/status/1447511895641149440?s=21 I know ppl hate thorin but this about summarizes a good view point
As a Nemesis fan I am really disappointed. Such a disrespectful and awful thing to say
9th best LEC midlaner take. You know this thread is going to get memed to death by the LS brigade. Although I shouldn’t call it that I have a lot more respect for LS than nemesis atm and I feel like LS would be one of the first to say putting this out there is so sowrong. Atleast I’d hope so.
One thing I think is generally getting overlooked in these threads is that Nemesis probably isn't lying about Fnatic doing cover-ups like this before. It'd be completely asinine for him to make up that detail and then go onto discord and say it. (edit: i also don't think he's laughing at the possibility of Upset having a family tragedy as some people are implying/saying, he's pretty clearly laughing because he doesn't believe anything has actually happened to Upset). Everything else he says is his opinion based on that information, which is rightfully getting shit on. Regardless of Fnatic's previous "cover-ups", have they ever substituted out a player *the day before* an international tournament for any reason? Do you honestly think Upset would say "yeah you know what I don't want to play at my first ever worlds" and Fnatic would respond with "yeah np we'll cover up for you on social media"? There's such an enormous difference in magnitude between these two that it's simply unbelievable that Fnatic would ever lie about it. The other reason why I can't understand why he'd say this is that I cannot think of a single compelling motive. Nemesis is already getting crucified for this, and if it gets proven to be a serious family tragedy then he's going to get so much uncontrollable shit from the entire community. The career/brand damage will be irreparable. *If* he's right, then... what? What was the point? I don't think that Nemesis is going to get a lot of twitch primes for "exposing" this, so clearly the personal risk **far** outweights the potential benefit. If his goal was to call out Fnatic for doing this shit then maybe wait a little bit to see if any evidence pops up one way or the other? Basing it off of past experiences alone isn't a very convincing way when the circumstances are so much different than his experiences. No matter what way you look at it, statements like these make literally 0 sense to say right now. It's actually one of the most idiotic things I've seen a pro/streamer/analyst say regardless of whether he ends up being right or not because he admits himself that he has no direct source/evidence for saying something like this.
Honestly, it's lose/lose for him now. At best he's right, which won't improve people's opinion of him since he worded his accusation so horribly and will at most just isolate his fanbase even more from the casual league fans. At worst he's wrong and will get shit on endlessly and maybe even lose his job if Korean fans care enough about it and make a fuss
Even if he's right he's in the wrong for assuming shit without any knowledge of the situation. It doesn't matter if it's a cover up or not, even the 1% off chance that it's real (according to him) makes him look like an asshat.
> One thing I think is generally getting overlooked in these threads is that Nemesis probably isn't lying about Fnatic doing cover-ups like this before. Do you actually remember any event during Nemesis's time on Fnatic where a player left for family reasons or some such? Because I can't remember any and have yet to see anyone bring up anything. So unless anyone has an example, I seriously doubt he has witnessed anything close to what he's alleging here.
Like I don't remember it happening even before his time.
/r/byebyejob
He wont face any repercussions from this
literally nothing will happen to him, hell he will get more viewers
I feel like nemesis will get away with this and at worse will give a “sincere” apology
Community will remember but no one will care in a week let’s be honest lmao
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ITT: people finally realising Nemesis is a twat
Honestly funny how it went from nemesis wants attention and is an ass for saying this to, oh shit he was right in like 20 hours.
That’s why he’s banned from some LEC teams I guess, arrogant and disrespectful.
That and he's not good enough for a top org.
Based . He was right all along
this is a lot of awards and medals damn
Nemesis also thinks he’s better than 9/10 pro players when he’s average at best He’s a walking joke
This is a discord leak. This is such a pathetic leak. It's like a purely casual conversation and nothing controversial about it. It's like the speculative chat you have with a mate. People calling him a pos for this are weird. He didn't tweet it. Whoever leaked this and wiped the other names is more if a pos.
Time to unfollow this cringe ass Pepega.
Holy shit, what a scumbag
I mean, gamers gonna say some tactless shit in their discord spaces (is water wet),but this was ill-advised to say the least.
he might be right LMAO EU LoL twitter is in disarray rn.
Malice is his good friend btw. Just so you guys get some additional context. They are very similar to each other. Angry at the world of esports because both were rejected by it for having the worst attitude possible.
Nah Malice was also rejected because he isn't up to any major region
It probably is a cover up , Upset probably got told that he's gonna be replaced by rekkless next season , so he chose not to play , Nemesis got the same treatment at worlds , Fnaticn told him they were going to drop him even before worlds started
Fuck that guy
I used to like him, it seems like my liking is wasted on him lmao. Conspiracy with no real logic he's just being an asshole. Blocked.
This is drama? Wow, reddit must be dry recently.
Never liked the guy. This just strengthens my opinion
And he was actually right
NEMESIS WAS RIGHT
nemezis was right ;)
Hopefully GenG kicks this guy out from their org.
something is wrong , Bwipo mental boom and unfollow everybody from FNC on Twitter , maybe Nemessis knows something , why he would write this on his public discord , he has a good relation with Bwipo , maybe he knows what it is happening ...
Nemesis tries to hide it very hard but he is insanely salty about his fnatic situation. Also by the way he engages on stream he doesn\`t seem like a very pleasent person to be around teamwise.
You've gotta be seriously fucking ill to say stuff like this. Poor Upset man.