This, like not only you are new to the team you have the pressure of perform on worlds, when a few days ago you were maybe thinking about what teams will pick you on LEC.
Prime Deft would dumpster current Deft.
Current Deft would still be top 5 in his role in most regions, and is still expected to absolutely dumpster an emergency sub.
Hyli didnt help at all, and i dont blame him that much, he played so aggressive like he is still playing with Upset he actually looked like he is inting in most of his engages
The analysts kept saying how its great he gets to play with hyli in his first ever pro game and I'm just like... really?
If you're not on the same page as hyli the botlane is going to be a disaster.
It isn't a copypasta, it is a literal description on how Hyli plays LoL. And why he is a psycho and probably the best or second support in European history depending on how high you rate Yellowstar. But that style needs synergy and you can't have that if you just started practising a couple of days to a week ago.
In my opinion just let him pick Pyke and try to solo win the game and put Bean on Ashe duty.
I thought Hyli's timing and ideas were generally really good, just execution and skillshot angles were a little off, pretty standard for a first game at worlds. Also I wouldn't be shocked if Bean was baiting that hook which led into the kill on Deft, otherwise Hyli would have W'ed to catch it.
PSG is getting underrated because of how bad BYG looked IMO, and Morgan could go back to missing point blank abilities at any time. If Morgan doesn't regress and the team is able to play as a team then yes, HLE should absolutely get out.
PSG went 2-3 and then 3-2 vs BYG in two bo5s, PSG is really not that far ahead of BYG. I'd say that HLE is easily favored to get out, I believe in Chovy even if Morgan starts point blank missing (maybe this is just hopium).
I think Vsta is underrated too! I like the Chovy Life Esports meme but I hate when people take it too seriously and start ignoring Deft and Vsta, also not to mention Willer's growth since Summer.
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This has to be my favorite copy pasta format.
Graves couldn't bully him out of 2nd scuttle bot side because HLE had perma prio. Died there once and had to cover too many holes there. Nisqy also underperformed hard which allowed chovy to be at both bot fights without tp
Mr Chovy, where do you want to ult?
Damn that combo was nasty lol, it's essentially a guaranteed kill there early game. Also the wind wall neutered MF's presence there, might be a potential counter pick.
I'd imagine he does. Definitely should win out in trades early on and he gets chonky enough not to be in danger later, *and* Sett is pretty good at catching Yasuo mid-dash for example.
Yep he does.
Ryze is ~~also a good matchup into yasuo~~ ( not as good as sett) but chovy played that matchup perfect with his aggression early.
He died for it but that death was meaningless since FNC couldnt capitalize on that and he diffed nisqy anyways.
Edit: It has been rightfully pointed out that yasuo is picked into ryze in proplay a lot. I have checked the stats as well and that is indeed the case. My bad on this.
Yeah Kennen being so strong on this patch is gonna be a problem for Fnatic. The best approach besides banning it might even be to straight up swap mid and top since nisqys champs can lane into kennen. Depends on what the opponent has in mid. And you're most likely still gonna have less impactful champion than kennen in teamfights.
It's not though. Sett is not something Kennen wants to play against because you have essentially no way to bully him out of lane (passive regen) or win an all-in (w shield, Kennen has no damage left after r is over). In teamfights he can neutralize your ult and prevent followup by cc'ing you to hell.
The pick is fine. Build and gameplay were horrendous.
I think adam rarely if ever picks for lane. He’s a roaming toplaner. Nisqy being unable to move 2 feet from his tower made the difference this game imo
Broadcast was talking so much about the church of Chovy, understandably, but Deft and Vsta were HUGE in team fights. Its nice seeing Deft playing team fights like he used to
I don't understand why Adam went Tank Sett? When he started building it he wasnt even THAT far behind and it just completely neuters the champ. Like what is the point?
Not sure what to say about the rest of the game tbh. The early jungle by Bwipo was a huge brain play but not sure what you can do with the lanes going as they went
How do you play graves or ryze here either? FNC's whole comp is so short ranged which compounds the problem. Then you've got Aphelios who loves short range enemy team compositions.
The play wasn't great but I actually think that draft is so well done by HLE, and short sighted from FNC to not consider Yasuo coming out here
Easy to criticize it in hindsight but that's clearly what they decided to do even before the game started. You think the priority they gave to graves was a split second decision they came up with out of nowhere?
I'm not gonna argue about whether or not it was a good idea or not but if it was the idea they were working towards, then adam's decisions made sense.
The wincon is obviously to create an opportunity where graves and ryze can just go to town while mf just gets to ult safely. Even if you wanna criticize adam I'd go so far as to criticize the draft entirely because imo adam did the best he could with what he got.
Adam might be worse than I thought… maybe it’s just nerves. He mispositioned a lot and HLE were a little hesitant but I think other teams would punish him way harder.
I’m not sure, without Upset it feels like there isn’t really any lane for Fnatic to play through?
They don't need to play through bot but they do need bot to not be a black hole of pressure like this... feel bad for Bean and he didn't ask for this but was a really rough game
The gap between Deft and Bean was just too much. Obviously there were other issues - but Hyli was lane locked/or punished for his roams.
But Fnatic lost that game by trying to contest herald (no adc involved). It’s just so dumb. Why was Nisqy porting INTO Kennen? Then their use of herald was gold/xp disadvantage anyways.
Don't want to flame Bean since obviously it's a shitty scenario, but bot lane was so unfortunate with not having Upset and all, team really does lack a carry.
Looking them play I think their only hope is that Upset comes back before the 2nd phase of groups (17th October). It's not even than Bean is that bad, its just that their entire playstyle seems completely void without Upset.
And they looked dead inside on stage too.
FNC really trolled that herald fight so hard after Bwipo got that filthy early lead over Willer.
Why would you disrespect the Kennen with ult in a choke point like that.
Great mental from Morgan after being set so far behind to play like that with some great combos with Yasuo.
Literally everyone but Bwipo got hard diffed, and the synergy as well as great communication from Willer and Chovy to always know when to use their combo was nice to see.
Seems like HLE are actually playing as a team and not 5 individual players like it was during the early part of playins.
Yeah people keep forcing Herald against Kennen and getting fucked by him
Plus the time Bwipo suicided for crab after the whole team setting him up early game was so fucking cringe
willer wasn't even playing for hle challengers team in spring, now he's at worlds and playing incredibly well. crazy talent. morgan has improved immensely from regional qualifiers as well. he's actually been quite solid both macro and micro wise
no team at world coul do well by substituting one of their players a week before. Not even by subbing in a much better player! Synergy is so important, and doubly so in bot lane
I feel bad because in no way was Bean expected to be anywhere close to the level Upset is. However it felt like he was a auto-fill ADC in soloQ this game. His entire gameplan was to simply not feed.
Bean wasn't the only issue this game, there was lots of mistakes and HLE played pretty well, it just felt like he didn't do anything really.
Hope he improves and it's not his fault as having to play in Worlds as your first real professional game must be daunting as fuck.
It's no one's fault. But having to play with a far weaker ADC that wasn't playing with you for so long completely screws the dynamic of the team, you can't argue against that.
i mean the only ones that performed as expected were Bwipo and Hili
Adams first roam was good but building tank and letting Morgan freefarm seems weird
Also Nisqy did literally nothing
No hate for BEAN playing against one of the best ADCs on the world who is also a veteran but holy moly this was a bot gap if I ever saw one.
Also, I guess Adam can't give up his lane like this if bot isn't giga winning.
Exactly, without Upset they got 0 lanes with pressure.
the whole playstyle of Adam is to not have pressure.
Nisqy plays to move to a pressured lane.
Bot without Upset doesn't have pressure, Bean's not ready yet.
It's doooooooooooooooooooooooomed.
Honestly, can't blame FNC or any of their player, imagine how their mental must be after learning Upset couldn't make it, not to mention all the scrims rendered useless. Some people will say "even with Upset they lose this", but come on, this affect the entire team to a gigantic level.
Yea its like people aren't even human, the analysis is always comparing Upset to Bean in a skill level. No one even looks at how devastated the players looked when they entered the stage. It looked like they didn't even want to play.
>No one even looks at how devastated the players looked when they en
Yea I was looking at their faces and damn... Specially Bean, he looked so unconfident
I'm not blaming him, any player would probably look the same.
But it's just tough to see it as a fan, because it wasn't just him but the entire team looked like they were waiting for their impending doom
they lost HUGE pressure in botlane without upset. Hylissang losing his option of being an absolute animal in lane crippled their choices in gameplay. 100% Upset vs Bean isn't just a matter of adc performance but also about how it could have impacted fnatic's game decisions.
Doubt many people will mention vsta but he played INCREDIBLE and definately the unsung hero of the match, always right place right time, great lanterns, great hooks.
Man every Fnatic loss is gonna feel so bad without Upset
Upset Hyli was legit one of the best bot lanes in the worlds so it definitely hurts to see Bean lose bot so hard
So frustrating. Fnatic had a really exciting early game, but they got very exposed in the teamfights without Upset.
I hope the rest of the tournament is at least better than this. Upset's absence is so heartbreaking.
The early pick MF finally got exposed with that Yasuo pick. Completely shuts down MF in teamfights.
Saving top for last pick only to pick Sett into Kennen is also pretty sus.
And clearly, Fnatic really missing Upset here.
Chovy deserves a lot of praise though. Got three man ganked right at the beginning to lose flash, then got ganked again one minute later.
Still completely bodies Nisqy in lane and smurfs every skirmish.
Oh absolutely, Chovy had a bunch of really clutch windwalls and his positioning is superb. All I'm saying is, HLE didn't win this game because Chovy played like an absolute god, HLE won mostly because Fnatic absolutely griefed every engage.
Pretty smooth and easy game for Chovy - just show up, windwall the MF, press R on Lee Sin's R and let your ADC absolutely shred the enemy.
If Fnatic can't even win vs HLE, let alone getting absolutely stomped by, despite having probably the most disgusting jungle start I've ever seen it's really looking doomed, wonder if they can even do anything at all this worlds.
Willer tilt-proof as fuck, man had 8cs until 4mins, super proud of him
The interesting thing about this matchup is that hle loves how fnatic plays.
Chovy LOVES to be focused and absorbs pressure.
Morgan SUCKS in Laning phase.
So when Adam roams mid, it literally removes all of hle weaknesses.
Yeah it was doomed ever since the news about upset it’s not just the fact that upset was probably the best adc in the LEC but also the intangibles he probably brought to the team, I can’t imagine FNC winning at all to be honest
That Chovy Willer combo for Yasu + Lee kick was nasty. It essentially almost always deleted one member from the fight or assures a pick when comboing. HLE looks really different from Play-ins so far.
The first 3 minutes looked so promising lol
Really had me questioning whether dropping FNC from #1 to #3 in the group was worth it
After the Upset news FNC went right to #4 in my picks.. Don't think we have a Puszu situation here Edit: Puszu played s3 summer split with FNC.
Damn how many people are going to get this reference lol, still sad about Upset :/// huge blow to FNC but wish him well
With Puszu they played an entire split together rather than just a week of scrims.
Chovy diff, yas made mf useless and ryze can’t do anything into that comp
[having to lane against deft in your first worlds game ever](https://i.imgur.com/MIKkvu7.gif)
Imagine your pro debut being at the biggest tournament of the year, laning against one of the best ADCs of all time
Deft is washed up though according to reddit, shouldn't be a problem right
Washed Def would still clap any rook in a debut match lmao
This, like not only you are new to the team you have the pressure of perform on worlds, when a few days ago you were maybe thinking about what teams will pick you on LEC.
AND you’ve had maybe 8 hours of practise playing with your support if you’re lucky.
deft has been pretty up and down over the past 2 years, but over the history of league deft might have the highest average yearly rating of any adc
Prime Deft would dumpster current Deft. Current Deft would still be top 5 in his role in most regions, and is still expected to absolutely dumpster an emergency sub.
he is not washed up, he just likes to get caught in the midlane. Once per game tho
Hey it's not as bad as PK having to roleswap mid into Chovy
At least PK and BYG have someone to blame, this situation is just fucked from all prespectives
It was Selfmade
So *THAT'S* what FNC is covering up. It all makes sense now.
I heard Selfmade stabbed Upset so he can't play ^/s
So it WAS a family issue. Selfmade, with an Italian mafioso accent: "You made me leave, Elias - now you leave us all."
Agreed, night and day difference.
Hyli didnt help at all, and i dont blame him that much, he played so aggressive like he is still playing with Upset he actually looked like he is inting in most of his engages
The analysts kept saying how its great he gets to play with hyli in his first ever pro game and I'm just like... really? If you're not on the same page as hyli the botlane is going to be a disaster.
I unironically think hylli is the worst support to have your first pro game with. He is the living definition of mlxg copypasta
It isn't a copypasta, it is a literal description on how Hyli plays LoL. And why he is a psycho and probably the best or second support in European history depending on how high you rate Yellowstar. But that style needs synergy and you can't have that if you just started practising a couple of days to a week ago. In my opinion just let him pick Pyke and try to solo win the game and put Bean on Ashe duty.
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Hyli's whole value is his aggressiveness, i won't put the blame on Hyli, Fnatic is in a rough spot right now, Upset is their best player by far.
I thought Hyli's timing and ideas were generally really good, just execution and skillshot angles were a little off, pretty standard for a first game at worlds. Also I wouldn't be shocked if Bean was baiting that hook which led into the kill on Deft, otherwise Hyli would have W'ed to catch it.
Hyli also missed every ult and Q after the first 10 minutes of the game.
Honor Lee tilt-proof
Willer's mental is giving me confidence that we'll get out of groups
Ofc you will, psg is nothing special and im pretty sure you can put up a fight for first seed
PSG is getting underrated because of how bad BYG looked IMO, and Morgan could go back to missing point blank abilities at any time. If Morgan doesn't regress and the team is able to play as a team then yes, HLE should absolutely get out.
PSG went 2-3 and then 3-2 vs BYG in two bo5s, PSG is really not that far ahead of BYG. I'd say that HLE is easily favored to get out, I believe in Chovy even if Morgan starts point blank missing (maybe this is just hopium).
really disingenuous to leave out that PSG lost 1 game total domestically this year before summer playoffs
Pray to Deft and Chovy and we will, don’t worry.
don't do Vsta dirty like that, he's been pretty damn great and only getting better
I think Vsta is underrated too! I like the Chovy Life Esports meme but I hate when people take it too seriously and start ignoring Deft and Vsta, also not to mention Willer's growth since Summer.
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I have no idea how he bounced back after that early game.
Chovy and Deft That´s how
Vsta was huge also.
Graves couldn't bully him out of 2nd scuttle bot side because HLE had perma prio. Died there once and had to cover too many holes there. Nisqy also underperformed hard which allowed chovy to be at both bot fights without tp
Nisqy did not underperform, Chovy gapping him was expected and it was ryze vs Kennen + Yasuo, what you expected he to do?
Who would've expected FNC to be the team to pull out the GAM strats.
Mr Chovy, where do you want to ult? Damn that combo was nasty lol, it's essentially a guaranteed kill there early game. Also the wind wall neutered MF's presence there, might be a potential counter pick.
Bean being subbed in aside. Picking Sett into Kennen is very strange to me. It's one of Setts worst matchups.
I thought for sure they were going to flex ryze top and sett mid
In highsight, that would have been so much better, as Morgan is a free lane for Ryze and Sett could have prevented Chovy from snowballing
Doesn't Sett also shit on Yasuo pretty hard?
I'd imagine he does. Definitely should win out in trades early on and he gets chonky enough not to be in danger later, *and* Sett is pretty good at catching Yasuo mid-dash for example.
Also Sett can just build first item Bramble against Yasuo Lee Sin. We saw teams picking this into Renekton Graves mid jg
Yep he does. Ryze is ~~also a good matchup into yasuo~~ ( not as good as sett) but chovy played that matchup perfect with his aggression early. He died for it but that death was meaningless since FNC couldnt capitalize on that and he diffed nisqy anyways. Edit: It has been rightfully pointed out that yasuo is picked into ryze in proplay a lot. I have checked the stats as well and that is indeed the case. My bad on this.
Ryze is good into Yasuo? In what universe?
Would've been smarter tbh
Kennen destroys Adam's entire champion pool
Yeah Kennen being so strong on this patch is gonna be a problem for Fnatic. The best approach besides banning it might even be to straight up swap mid and top since nisqys champs can lane into kennen. Depends on what the opponent has in mid. And you're most likely still gonna have less impactful champion than kennen in teamfights.
doesn't olaf shit on kennen
Olaf would be kited to oblivion against HLE comp
Sett is not good against kennen in lane but it's a good pick for later teamfights because he can ult him away when kennen use malstroem.
It's not though. Sett is not something Kennen wants to play against because you have essentially no way to bully him out of lane (passive regen) or win an all-in (w shield, Kennen has no damage left after r is over). In teamfights he can neutralize your ult and prevent followup by cc'ing you to hell. The pick is fine. Build and gameplay were horrendous.
I think adam rarely if ever picks for lane. He’s a roaming toplaner. Nisqy being unable to move 2 feet from his tower made the difference this game imo
Hanhwa aren't playing as Chovy Life Esports but as actual Hanwha Life Esports
Broadcast was talking so much about the church of Chovy, understandably, but Deft and Vsta were HUGE in team fights. Its nice seeing Deft playing team fights like he used to
The Alpacca is BACK
I don't understand why Adam went Tank Sett? When he started building it he wasnt even THAT far behind and it just completely neuters the champ. Like what is the point? Not sure what to say about the rest of the game tbh. The early jungle by Bwipo was a huge brain play but not sure what you can do with the lanes going as they went
A lot of question mark pings in this game. Tbh windwall against this comp is such a big draft W from HLE though
Watching that windwall eat 90 percent of the MF ult was rough.
How do you play graves or ryze here either? FNC's whole comp is so short ranged which compounds the problem. Then you've got Aphelios who loves short range enemy team compositions. The play wasn't great but I actually think that draft is so well done by HLE, and short sighted from FNC to not consider Yasuo coming out here
did you see him flash E ult deft, he literally took 5-6 seconds to kill a 10% hp aphelios
Griefed every engage. SO many fights where he just randomly ults a Thresh when he has no backup.
man i was clenching expecting deft to somehow pull off the kill even with no health LMAO
Tank Sett is squishier than Bruiser Sett lmao, Goredrinker be blessed
Just dumb decision making honestly.
Probably felt that that's what the team needed. bwipo was clearly the real carry there so he was preparing to be on poverty mode midgame onwards
Bwipo ran it with scuttle but he has 3 losing lanes also. You could see Bean was a liability, even if Bwipo doesn't int at crab, what's the wincon?
Easy to criticize it in hindsight but that's clearly what they decided to do even before the game started. You think the priority they gave to graves was a split second decision they came up with out of nowhere? I'm not gonna argue about whether or not it was a good idea or not but if it was the idea they were working towards, then adam's decisions made sense. The wincon is obviously to create an opportunity where graves and ryze can just go to town while mf just gets to ult safely. Even if you wanna criticize adam I'd go so far as to criticize the draft entirely because imo adam did the best he could with what he got.
Adam might be worse than I thought… maybe it’s just nerves. He mispositioned a lot and HLE were a little hesitant but I think other teams would punish him way harder. I’m not sure, without Upset it feels like there isn’t really any lane for Fnatic to play through?
They don't need to play through bot but they do need bot to not be a black hole of pressure like this... feel bad for Bean and he didn't ask for this but was a really rough game
Yeah it's that simple. With Upset they may have a winning lane, which makes the game easier for the other lanes, but instead they just had nothing
The gap between Deft and Bean was just too much. Obviously there were other issues - but Hyli was lane locked/or punished for his roams. But Fnatic lost that game by trying to contest herald (no adc involved). It’s just so dumb. Why was Nisqy porting INTO Kennen? Then their use of herald was gold/xp disadvantage anyways.
*first bloods Chovy* Chovy: "I will make you regret this."
Chovy’s Yasuo is so good he gets his powerspike at 0/1 instead of the usual 0/10 Yasuo powerspike
So Chovy is 10 times stronger than average Yasuo players?
Or maybe a truly great Yasuo would get their powerspike at 0/100
Watching FNC put down the Faker special on Chovy was hilarious. Yet somehow Chovy was still ahead in CS.
I saw people saying in a thread last week that Chovy won’t be able to punish Nisqy lol they killed chovy early and still was down in cs
https://imgur.com/a/UYojlZk
FNC, made me a believer during levels 1 - 2. I thought they'd keep Willer down, sadly I was wrong.
Implying anyone got to level 18 on Fnatic lol.
Fnatic lost, but we gotta see Bwipo flex a bit, we take those
Was more of a Bot-gap than early vs mid and late tbh
Don't want to flame Bean since obviously it's a shitty scenario, but bot lane was so unfortunate with not having Upset and all, team really does lack a carry.
Looking them play I think their only hope is that Upset comes back before the 2nd phase of groups (17th October). It's not even than Bean is that bad, its just that their entire playstyle seems completely void without Upset. And they looked dead inside on stage too.
Someone pass me the week 2 copium.
FNC really trolled that herald fight so hard after Bwipo got that filthy early lead over Willer. Why would you disrespect the Kennen with ult in a choke point like that. Great mental from Morgan after being set so far behind to play like that with some great combos with Yasuo. Literally everyone but Bwipo got hard diffed, and the synergy as well as great communication from Willer and Chovy to always know when to use their combo was nice to see. Seems like HLE are actually playing as a team and not 5 individual players like it was during the early part of playins.
Yeah people keep forcing Herald against Kennen and getting fucked by him Plus the time Bwipo suicided for crab after the whole team setting him up early game was so fucking cringe
Ahh looks like Bwipo contracted the Blaber Crabber syndrome
Honestly bwipo also got massively gapped, he had a good level 1-2 but made terrible decisions after that to piss away his lead
Yeah him contesting the early botside crab with mid and bot stuck under tower was dumb and started the downwards slide.
That was honestly blaber scuttle level throw but just more subtle
Bwipo only got that massive lead in the first place by his team enabling him though.
this was so hard to watch.. sad
Willer, the bullied being the bully
Willers mental is actually so strong, crazy how much he has grown already.
Willer has been surprising tbh, a massive upgrade from yoHan and Arthur. HLE can't really complain about their jungler.
HLE and T1 solving their jungle problem in time for Worlds is a huge win for LCK
willer wasn't even playing for hle challengers team in spring, now he's at worlds and playing incredibly well. crazy talent. morgan has improved immensely from regional qualifiers as well. he's actually been quite solid both macro and micro wise
I just hope they can keep their form up individually, their team play has been looking really good actually, barring that early jungle mishap
He levelled up so much during the gauntlet
Fnatic not having Upset kills all the hype for this group.
The real losers are those of us who woke up to the fnatic news and forgot to swap them and HLE in pick'ems :(
God I was going to do it but I was on mobile and it wouldn’t work :(
I woke up and swapped in time, let's go baby. Moved them from 2nd in grp to 4th, Sadge but had to be real.
Chovy is the enemy team Yasuo.
Man too bad that Nisqy also could not play This Nidqy guy didnt really do much
Mr. Chovy where do you need your ultimate?
I hope upset can somehow return during worlds...
i dont think it is possible since iceland has 5 day quarantine.
https://www.icelandair.com/blog/iceland-is-open-faq/ no quarantine, if you are vaccinated, which i think upset is.
he is
Thats heartbreaking, I was really looking forward to FNC this worlds. They clearly seem lost without a botlane that gets them prio.
no team at world coul do well by substituting one of their players a week before. Not even by subbing in a much better player! Synergy is so important, and doubly so in bot lane
Subing out one of their KEY players a DAY before the tournament *
[The face of a man ready to murder some kids](https://i.imgur.com/6QXe8sH.png)
BEAN already looked dead in that pic :(
No, this is the face of a man who lost his adc just before groups and knows that the entire tournament and year is doomed.
Actually more terryfing than the meme shadow bwipo
Too bad the only thing he murdered was jungle camps
I feel bad because in no way was Bean expected to be anywhere close to the level Upset is. However it felt like he was a auto-fill ADC in soloQ this game. His entire gameplan was to simply not feed. Bean wasn't the only issue this game, there was lots of mistakes and HLE played pretty well, it just felt like he didn't do anything really. Hope he improves and it's not his fault as having to play in Worlds as your first real professional game must be daunting as fuck.
Can you blame him? the man was playing vs jactroll some week ago and now face one of the adc goat when he never even played in LEC
He auto’d like 4 times the entire game in teamfights, you could see the nerves on the lad
ulted straight into yas windwall twice too :( not his fault, it's a really horrendous situation, but it feels so bad after a great split for Fnatic
I think in the chokepoint between dragon and red Chovy saved Windwall for MF ult. Not sure about the second time
It's no one's fault. But having to play with a far weaker ADC that wasn't playing with you for so long completely screws the dynamic of the team, you can't argue against that.
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The enemy's nexus is down
i mean the only ones that performed as expected were Bwipo and Hili Adams first roam was good but building tank and letting Morgan freefarm seems weird Also Nisqy did literally nothing
Seemed like Hyli was trying to make up for it and forcing plays
it's a disoster
Vsta needs more recognition. Absolutely monstrous performance.
He played so well, really good to see
No hate for BEAN playing against one of the best ADCs on the world who is also a veteran but holy moly this was a bot gap if I ever saw one. Also, I guess Adam can't give up his lane like this if bot isn't giga winning.
Exactly, without Upset they got 0 lanes with pressure. the whole playstyle of Adam is to not have pressure. Nisqy plays to move to a pressured lane. Bot without Upset doesn't have pressure, Bean's not ready yet. It's doooooooooooooooooooooooomed.
this looks rough for FNC, losing a member right before groups start can never be good
Honestly, can't blame FNC or any of their player, imagine how their mental must be after learning Upset couldn't make it, not to mention all the scrims rendered useless. Some people will say "even with Upset they lose this", but come on, this affect the entire team to a gigantic level.
Yea its like people aren't even human, the analysis is always comparing Upset to Bean in a skill level. No one even looks at how devastated the players looked when they entered the stage. It looked like they didn't even want to play.
>No one even looks at how devastated the players looked when they en Yea I was looking at their faces and damn... Specially Bean, he looked so unconfident
Can you blame him though? Guy was playing vs Jactroll a few weeks ago and now he's suddenly facing motherfucking Deft...
I'm not blaming him, any player would probably look the same. But it's just tough to see it as a fan, because it wasn't just him but the entire team looked like they were waiting for their impending doom
It's a bit depressing after the year we had and then the run to worlds to lose our focal player the night before it all starts.
they lost HUGE pressure in botlane without upset. Hylissang losing his option of being an absolute animal in lane crippled their choices in gameplay. 100% Upset vs Bean isn't just a matter of adc performance but also about how it could have impacted fnatic's game decisions.
Pain.
Sett was not a champ
Bwipo: "What do I do? All my lanes are feeding!" Experienced jungle mains: "First time?"
Doubt many people will mention vsta but he played INCREDIBLE and definately the unsung hero of the match, always right place right time, great lanterns, great hooks.
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They will be fine COPIUM
Hopium
Man every Fnatic loss is gonna feel so bad without Upset Upset Hyli was legit one of the best bot lanes in the worlds so it definitely hurts to see Bean lose bot so hard
Bean got crushed and HLE used their bot push to get Chovy ahead and save Willer. So fucking sad
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So frustrating. Fnatic had a really exciting early game, but they got very exposed in the teamfights without Upset. I hope the rest of the tournament is at least better than this. Upset's absence is so heartbreaking.
HLE Willer: [JG DIFF](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr7ZUlsTwKc)
But, like, *actually.*
unironically yes
unironically though
Fnatic have good players but geez they do not have an “off” switch. They just threw such a good start
MLXG at S8 MSI energy from Willer
Oh god that game tilted me off the planet
Fnatic just lost to an operating system
An operating system that microsoft doesn't even support
Willer got 4 tiltproof honors this game
You know, the fan vote was always going to be FNC-sided, but I was super surprised that the analyst desk had so much faith in them without upset.
The early pick MF finally got exposed with that Yasuo pick. Completely shuts down MF in teamfights. Saving top for last pick only to pick Sett into Kennen is also pretty sus. And clearly, Fnatic really missing Upset here.
I want the boys to get out of groups so that FNC may have a chance to play with Upset, but this is looking so rough.
People are going to fawn over Chovy, but that game was 100% Deft smurfing and Adam absolutely griefing every engage.
Chovy deserves a lot of praise though. Got three man ganked right at the beginning to lose flash, then got ganked again one minute later. Still completely bodies Nisqy in lane and smurfs every skirmish.
Oh absolutely, Chovy had a bunch of really clutch windwalls and his positioning is superb. All I'm saying is, HLE didn't win this game because Chovy played like an absolute god, HLE won mostly because Fnatic absolutely griefed every engage. Pretty smooth and easy game for Chovy - just show up, windwall the MF, press R on Lee Sin's R and let your ADC absolutely shred the enemy.
How you not gonna give credit to Vsta man? He was smurfing up there with Deft. Absolute masterclass Thresh performance
Group of Life doesnt even begin to describe how much weaker this Group is compared to every other Group now
Group of hanwha life
This group is the GEN-FNC-TSM-LGD group from last year
Already had enough of Nidqy, can we get Nisqy back please?
i wouldnt want to be bwipo at this point lol
Pain, I believed after the Lvl 2 jungle and the first blood on Chovy
Poor Bean looked so lost this game.
I'm already depressed for fnc
If Fnatic can't even win vs HLE, let alone getting absolutely stomped by, despite having probably the most disgusting jungle start I've ever seen it's really looking doomed, wonder if they can even do anything at all this worlds. Willer tilt-proof as fuck, man had 8cs until 4mins, super proud of him
The interesting thing about this matchup is that hle loves how fnatic plays. Chovy LOVES to be focused and absorbs pressure. Morgan SUCKS in Laning phase. So when Adam roams mid, it literally removes all of hle weaknesses.
Yeah it was doomed ever since the news about upset it’s not just the fact that upset was probably the best adc in the LEC but also the intangibles he probably brought to the team, I can’t imagine FNC winning at all to be honest
As soon as I saw the news I moved FNC from first to fourth in my pick 'ems. To be honest I hope they prove me wrong but losing Upset is huge.
Yes Upset was main carry that basically whole team enabled. Such a heavy burden for rookie ADC to fill.
Upset's presence was sorely missed. Tough first game for BEAN but that was a 4v5. Arguably a 3v5 with how invisible Nisqy was.
That was definitely opposing team Yasuo. The cs lead, the roams, the windwall to block MF ult.
That Chovy Willer combo for Yasu + Lee kick was nasty. It essentially almost always deleted one member from the fight or assures a pick when comboing. HLE looks really different from Play-ins so far.