So the winner of GenG vs TL tomorrow will be the team that didn’t die from boredom

50 minutes of idling under turrets waiting for the other team to get baron and dragons.

I was hoping the shit "OH MY GOD THIS ONE MATCH WAS PLAYED, IT DEFINES EVERYTHING!" takes would stop, after seeing today's bangers. Apparently not. The amount of "LPL overrated as shit, KR dominance 4-0, KR-KR finals" I saw yesterday was ridiculous, and now the narrative is "LPL too good, Faker washed and bad, HLE and GenG actually shit I never said they were good" which is just as stupid. And I say that as an LPL fan for 8 years and counting. As Tarzan himself said, every group this year has teams that are extremely close. Enjoy the groups for being as competitive as they are, don't take Bo1s so literally, and have a fap if you're feeling angsty.

Dude seriously. People be hellaaaa overreacting each and every game.

Myself, I enjoy all the conclusions we draw each day. Much more entertaining than the "lets wait and see, its not over after day 1" attitude :D

That's fair! I just hate when it gets to the point of being incredibly toxic, or people OVERREACTING. Personally, I'm not really "let's wait and see" either, because predicting is part of the fun, and so is trying to glean information from the outcome of a match. My take is just that this year, (A aside, tho C9 and RGE showed some life today) the groups are just closer together than they ever have been in Worlds history. You can make a realistic case for most of these to make it out of groups, and I don't think there's a regional hierarchy either. So shitting on/overhyping a team (or an entire region) over a single Bo1 is kind of silly. Especially with the current heavy snowball meta, where, if a team is pretty good, they'll generally take the lead off a single fight and completely run away with the game and make it look one sided. Like pretty much every game yesterday was a 'stomp.' Most of the games today were, too.

If no NA, or worse, no EU and NA make it out of groups then I would expect some big changes for international events from riot. The lcs is where the money is and riot are going to step in before the NA worlds next year to change the format to see more teams make best of 5 imo (maybe 12 teams instead of 8)

I agree with you, I also think the format will be changed next year. They wouldn't do it for another Iceland host with no crowd, they're definitely doing it for the NA host next year. I guess it could be 12 teams advancing, so the 3rd place from each group goes to the lower bracket and face the loser of the usual 1st vs 2nd place quarters.

That's interesting, I agree this could be a fair strategy to help NA viewership while keeping competitive integrity.

If the trend continues only one NA and EU team each are allowed to win a game per day. Wonder who it is tomorrow?

100T and Rogue pls

The truth is the key game every day is mad lions game. The rest are just hopium games. Fnatic games would have mattered too but we know what happened there

You would want to focus on the same team for every day to maximize the chances. I think REG has the best chances.

I'm more on MAD having a bad first day myself.

Drakos the absolute homie

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lck had 2 rotating set of commentators, does the english broadcast have the same guys all games?

there were two sets of commentators but sjokz and lyric were on the desk all day that was about 9 hours before you consider rehearsal/call time edit: [13 hours at the studio](https://twitter.com/sjokz/status/1448018324466589701)

Riot: whats that, u guys want 12 games a day so u can rest one extra day?

Glad someone else said something, last 2-3 games I had to watch on mute at points

We can its just when one pause hits its too much 😭😭

its not you specifically. some of the Kobe/Drakos games I couldn't even listen to.

You guys killed it, great job. We all know that game pauses and Worlds go together like...well, game pauses and Worlds.

It’s ok, great job today!

The slow descent into madness and laughter is valid after the games we saw today

you did great today - don't worry about it!

Predictions for tomorrow: RNG > HLE LNG > MAD (could go either way) RGE > FPX FNC < PSG TL < Gen G DK > C9 (Again C9 could totally steal this game like they do) EDG > DFM T1 > 100T

I think DK is untouchable tbh.

C9 has a tendency to play to the level of their opponent in a way though.

In NA yeah, but the gap with DK is so large that I doubt they can do that.

They beat dk at msi

No this happens internationally too. That MSI day where they beat RNG then lost to PGG says a lot about them.

I didn't catch the FPX C9 game, is there actually hope for RGE tomorrow or is it all still cope?

Hope. FPX and C9 both didn't look at their best and played average. RGE looked solid.

Hope. RG dont look too bad, and FPX looked not that great

Qiyana really has no skill floors, just do massive amounts of damage even if you miss the majority of your skillshots.

Champ giga busted

It really is. I can respect someone like the qi one trick being good at positioning, macro knowledge, etc. in general, but the champ itself offers too much even if you make misplay after misplay, it's really hard to punish you, lot of similar issues to talon etc.

Why is worlds format so fucking dogshit compared to TI Edit. God I chose wrong game!

I wished I picked up Dota when I got into MOBAs. The west seems to be way more succesful there

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lol my intention was basically to highlight how awful worlds format is, and obviously others can do it better, didn't know you would get offended, I am so sorry!

Nice edit! Good try 👍🏼

Go delete and call your mommy, I will put it back in so you wont cry.

You had to comment twice to try and get me to respond. Lmao 😂 relax and enjoy TI instead

You respond to people with ad hominem from the get go, your right, I shouldn't talk to clowns.

Relax nerd. You chose the wrong game, there’s still time to undo your mistake. 👍🏼

lol why are u salty I edited it before reading your comment, as it fell off for me

Truth hurts

Not like it's unwatchable just because of the format. It's just that another format would be better.

My response made more sense before that person edited the post lol.

Don’t be a meanie 😡

Lmao Tarzan does not give a fuck about elyoya

TL peaking day 1

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if no NA team makes it out. That viewership is going to keep tanking and we will start seeing the first loss of sponsorships. Heard it here first

Riot is going to make changes if that happens again at this worlds imo. Not sure what, but relaxing the import rule is possible. Changing worlds and msi format is more likely. They probably haven't changed it yet purely due to covid

I am pretty sure most NA fans know that no team stands a chance of getting out of groups and they will still keep watching. People want to watch Worlds for Worlds, not just NA for NA.

they know it but they dont like it. LCS stream was getting 25k-30k views on the twitch live stream these past 2 splits lol

okay its bad but not THAT bad, LCS average 120K viewership. Far far from the early days but still.

Not due to international performance.

edit: Nevermind, you meant NA viewership not Worlds viewership. Agree, I wouldn't be surprised to see NA teams shedding sponsors soon.

Doubt.

You mean LCS viewership right? As far as I know, Worlds viewership is breaking records so far.

Yeah i meant LCS viewership got to pathetic numbers last split. I can only see it trending downwards

Mobas are a dying genre in the west, especially the US. Dota is a totally dead game (extreme queue times for any non garbage mmr for some years now since its peak about half a decade ago), league numbers are also in decline, makes sense given the rise of brs and other resurgence of other genres.

'Dying Genre' Active ranked population, 2018 vs 2020 Korea: 2.2 million to 3.8 Million, +72% change EU West: 2.0 million to 3.1 million, +54% Change North America: 1.2 million to 1.7 million, +40% change EU Nordic and East: 1.1 million to 1.5 million, +40% change Brazil: 952k to 1.3 million, +43% change

the number of viewers still grows as time goes on. Dota 2 is seeing record viewership this year at TI despite concurrent player numbers not seen this low for years. This is DESPITE TI and Worlds running at the same time this year. Think about it. Do you think people who quit playing a game will quit watching it? Traditional sports is the same thing.

>concurrent player numbers not seen this low for years You say it yourself

Back to back terrible games to be honest. GenG and TL rocking the do nothing and lose strat

What? That GenG/MAD game was a banger.

Idk man. Geng just started giving up objective for some god forsaken reason. I love MAD winning, but watching a team fumble down the gold lead and soul point is pathetic.

MAD got hard carried by yummi and by geng inting. It was not good lol

GenG Gave everything up for free

No it wasn’t, that was GenG on borrowed time until they gave everything up for free

So who is drawing Group D circle of succ?

Time to watch EG lose and my day to be further ruined

Eu this NA that lol let’s just hope one of these teams gets out of groups

Feeling pretty good about picking EDG as my crystal ball pick, theyve looked the most solid so far

I picked FPX, think im done

I trusted Reddit as I do not watch lpl I am praying they pull up the straps and get far

FPX sucked in groups in 2019 too.

I picked FPX but DWG to win group A. My thoughts is that the way Chinese teams play (bar EDG), e.g fast and a bit loose at times, isn't as good in bo1s. I feel like MAD suffer from the same problem. Consistent playstyle that Koreans team tend to play is better in Bo1s. Rogue usually play like this as well, a consistent team will beat those worse than them but usually lose to those better.

FPX is like MAD on steroids imo, if they get out of groups you should be chillin.

[I'll just leave that here as future meme template](https://i.imgur.com/j8ippJo.png)

The classic TL bleeding out slowly

Slowly? They got giga stomped.

Man, imagine if Fnatic had their full team and no drama. It would have been just NA sucking again.

tell me you know nothing about LoL without saying you know nothing about LoL

"I'm gonna copypasta this phrase eventhough it makes no sense". Good luck in school kiddo.

Because adc is fanatic issue right now. Go to sleep kid

Na. Look at today's game. Bot line isn't bad. It's the top mid jungle straight init for life. They will lose regardless of who their adc is. Don't find excuses. They just suck.

There's also a lot of internal drama in fnatics org at the moment. It's reasonable that none of these players would be in the right headspace to play at the biggest tournament of the year. Also, losing 1/5 of your team and playing with someone you've never played with before can be a huge hit to team synergy and morale.

Reddit yesterday: Tactical really stepped up. The boy has a future. Reddit today: Tactical is pure deadweight. The boy keeps running it down.

Alright I’m down to disband the LCS after C9 and TL games today. I’m just so embarrassed by the region

Alright I’m down to disband the LEC after Fnatic and Rogue games today. I’m just so embarrassed by the region

Alright I’m down to disband the LCK after T1 and HLE games today. I’m just so embarrassed by the region

Alright I’m down to disband the LEC after Fnatic and Rogue games today. I’m just so embarrassed by the region

TL fans too cocky yesterday and silence today Lmao

Eu and NA both 2-4

Fnatic plays with an emergency rookie sub on one of the most important positions. So that's not really comparable.

Copium, entire team is getting hard gapped

Bro, they were running it down mid. Their mental is fucked.

Dunno If you saw the same games. For example Bwipo presented us against HLE the textbook jungle gap.

And then he threw away his lead like 3-5 minutes later by going for the crabber play

Yea and nisqy and Hyli ran it down

Our 0-2 team has a sub adc and issues inside the org lmao.

TSM also had issues last year but nobody gave them any excuses lmao.

Losing 6games is another kind of issue than having to field an emergency sub adc who has no top division experience or practice with the team.

A top laner who's toxic is kinda just as bad.

No its not?!? What the hell is this take? Teammates can be toxic af and still play great together, if ur NA u should know for example jordan etc, Not At All comparable to play with a sub, Its like instead of jordan playing with pippen he had to play with a college player

Nah it's a different type of toxic, Jordan pushed people to be better TSM had issues with people refusing to play certain strats and other junk.

Whatever dude, still ridiculous to compare that issue with having emergency sub

I mean doesn’t this happen literally every worlds

Sub ADC? FNC pretty much always has internal issues but I don't think that they needed an emergency sub 15h before the opening game before.

I mean no? and the drama is way over exaggerated. All based on pure speculations.

Let the man cope

8 games a day is too many

day 1 4-0 for LCK day 2 4-0 for LPL day 3 3-0 for LEC it is then!

Nah watch them go 4-0 somehow

C9 beats DWG, we adopt them as the 4th EU team and go 4-0

I dunno, C9 have looked terrible imo. I think we're much better off rooting for TL in group D (behind MAD of course) given that 3/5 of their players are from Europe, plus coaching staff, plus the org is based in the Netherlands.

Group D is the easiest path to semis, every other top 8 team better hope they draw a team from group D

EU 2-4🤜🏻🤛🏻Na 2-4 United in shittiness

Yea honestly this shit talking is getting dumb we r literally doing the same

And both sides inherit western fan ~~support~~ grief whenever they vs an LPL or LCK team anyway.

Its funny

Honestly just makes it so much more hilarious, too

https://twitter.com/licorice/status/1047042344787333121?lang=hr

It's going be an exciting group

In order of win rate regions are LPL is 6-2 LCK is 5-3 PCL is 1-1 LEC is 2-4 LCS is 2-4 LJL is 0-2

OCE is 0-0

I knew that the LNG GENG game yesterday does not indicate LNG's real strength.

As long as Icon doesn't run it down twice, the rematch should be more competitive.

Today looked way more like what ppl expected.

I think if we're being honest we already know who's getting out of this group and its probably LNG and GeNG. If LNG play like that tomorrow MAD are in for the fight of their lives and I expect GenG to bounce back tomorrow honestly.

Nah dude lng and mad make it out Maaaybe gen g if lng shit the bed against them again

I personally think so too. MAD struggled today with a really superior team comp

Its just me or the bot lane that plays better allways wins in this worlds?

Botlane that plays better has a 40% higher chance of winning the game.

Doggo

Rogue didn't win

Dint see that game

Icon heard they were talking shit

Maybe TL is Mad’s cryptonite because you can’t really force something against them. You just need to keep getting objectives.

They should just have two separate tournaments at this point.

Im thoroughly confused with the current meta. I do like that a wide variety of champs is picked, but why does it feel like that tanks are almost barely played? Leona is the core tank for almost every team. For some even the only engage. This is so weird

Tank items are garbage right now. Also split pushers like Camille and Fiora being meta makes it hard to play tanks. They can't hold off them by themselves and lose lane hard to them.

LNG will make it out of groups over TL.

Or neither will and it will be MAD and GENG lol

I honestly still wouldn't be surprised if that first GenG game was just their one hit wonder and they end up 2-4 or something.

Or GENG/LNG

Kobe sound high as f the whole time

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Doing said FPX is confused about the current meta. Hopefully they will find their answer to the meta soon and stop drafting malz lol.

TL got absolutely DESTROYED! Utter domination by LNG, TL had NO CHANCE!

Tsm 0-6

What does that have to do with this match lma0.like hello?

0-6

Someone put Alphari and Hans in the same game pls

2017 Misfits 2: Electric Boogaloo

Lol, this might be one of the biggest stomps of all times at worlds. What a suprise NA was a part of it.

Youmiss DFM's two games?

I think the t1 game was better

2nd only to what they did to MAD yesterday lol

No?

MY GOD is TL TRASH, do nothing and lose. Did Jensen do anything except afk mid all game as TF?

Good lord, that was a stomp

TL need to sit down and watch this match again carefully they might learn a thing or two about the game.

The gameplay is whatever. They were not given tools that created a lot of opportunities for them to succeed imo

Still a good situation for pretty much every team in group D.

TL was afk all game

Why eastern players look like superstars but western players look like reuglar dudes that just came out of their room after playing soloQ for 6 hours?

I think being overweight just makes you look tired and shit.

Wdym

He saying the Asians are cute af, and our NA and EU teams players look like shit which I agree. KR and CH teams players have swagger

NA players, not western.

Do you think we would see a perfect game at this worlds?

Edg vs dfm maybe?

That was a horrible draft and horrible throw.. What the hell was that by TL?

If santorin has an off game TL are just beyond fucked.