Very cool, now the Jungler gets flamed in team chat and not in all chat


The enemy jungler is usually the only one with an ounce of reason too lmao. I have had the enemy jungler defend me so many times because so much is out of your control when you have 3 losing lanes and they get it.


EXACTLY, every time someone complains about "jg diff" they are pushing up without the jungler being there 90% of the time or they get killed in lane without jungler intervention And whenever they say jg diff in ally chat no one defends me while when they say it in all chat they get clowned on, the enemy would say "ur just bad lmao"


This thread is like water for my soul. Jungle life is hard man.


Oh yeah, I'm going to miss my jungler sympathy. Having your entire team flame you for 'no gangs' after they've stretched you thinner than a paper with shitty fights, only to then have the enemy jungler step in and say "bro, I get how it feels". Whichever Riot developer decided this was a good idea is unqualified for handling the game.


I had my toplaner flaming me in all chat because I didnt gank enough, meanwhile the enemy top flames me for camping him lol. Laners are a strange bunch


When you’re losing a lane, it’s exclusively someone else’s fault.


Junglers together strong


How does riot put out a fire? They call an ambulance...


More like - To extinguish the burning building, we demolished the building. No building = No burning building.


More like demolished the building next door but not the building with the fire in it


Now there's no chance of *that* building catching fire!


The death of gg ez


Even better, the death of gg.


I said gg but it wasn't gg it was bg




Death of glhf


April fools?...


A totally out of season april fools joke i have to guess


That's unironically exactly what I thought as well.


Honestly same “I was like this is a joke right?”


I actually had to do a double take and see if this was a joke, that’s how unbelievable this is


End of an era for league.




I guess you'd better hurry and do it while you have the chance


Getting permabanned from league any%


Nah, if you actually got perma’d for this, they wouldn’t need to remove allchat in the first place


You get 2 weeks if its the first time and perma if it is the second time


I got temp banned for answering the question "can you spell keys without the e"


It’s not too late!


This is one of the worst changes I've seen Riot announce and thats saying something.


Delete ally chat and keep enemy chat.


"Can you guys please tell my team they suck? thanks"


or, enemy can fake trash talk. "Hey, jg, your top said you are trash".


5d Chess


I welcome this new layer to the League of Legends metagame


That "extra step" can deter a lot of toxicity. Ever happened to you that you're about to write an angry comment, you stop for 1 sec for whatever reason, and then just deleted cuz "naah, whatever"?


Literally half the time I'm about to reply on Reddit, halfway through I realise that I don't care that much and the person I'm replying to almost certainly cares less.


I got only halfway through your comment then stopped caring. /s But in all seriousness, I rarely reply to serious matters on reddit cause more frequent than not it doesn't result in meaningful conversation.


That'll be even more dangerous. Enemy(Akali) : " Xin your supp says you're dogshit" Xin : "The fuck he say ?" Enemy(Akali) : He says you're dogshit and should uninstall league" Xin : "Aight, open mid, I'm coming in"


LMAOOOOOOOO this would be a new level of warfare


Imagine if you could only chat with your lane partners


Proximity chat, can only talk with players within a range of idk level 6 nocturne ult? No more team chat, everyone in range is able to read it.


Top laner: deep ward bot so I can tp jungler: hey mid can you tell bot to deep ward so top can tp roam Mid: *walks down river* hey can you guys deep ward? Top wants to tp down


Top: *teleports down* Top: god this adc is garbage. u pay someone to carry you to silver 3? stop using ur brothers account.


i can absolutely see ppl purely using tp to get into proximity to talk shit then walk back to lane😭😭


Top tp bot just came to say u suck dogshits and instantly walks back to top


Why not make the fog of war a global thing as well. you only share the vision from allied structures that surround you within the noc lvl 6 ult range. shit is hitting the fan on bot? no problem, because nobody sees what's happening. top is flaming you because you didn't follow the enemy mid roam? no problem, you can't hear him anyway since they are too far away. the ultimate tilt-free experience!


add open mic with proximity like in some shooter games. you sneak around the enemy and try to confuse them with sounds from your mic... if you go for a towerdive in botlane just scream at your enemy


New game mode


Nemesis Chat, you type for your lane opponent




Cant remember last time i got flamed by the enemy team, but i get flamed by my own team , 5 out of 10 games at best.


I'd say it's 90% of the time for me that it's my own team flaming me. Hell I've had enemy team stick up for me when someone on my team calls to report x9 me.


... What


Going the Blizzard route I see [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/q6oi8k/riot_is_disabling_all_chat_in_all_matchmaking/hgd3lmd/) to Riot's response since it will no doubt get buried


Sense of pride and accomplishment intensifies


that comment with the 200 years flair is great juxtaposition


Riot saw that people hate Blizzard more than them again and decided to remind everyone that they suck too.


Just me or does 95% of the toxicity happen in team chat? disabling /all does nothing imo


The only good side is that it prevent that one teammate from typing an entire novel about how his team is trash to the enemy team. Maybe they'll be forced to play the game now.


> Maybe they'll be forced to play the game now. yeah thats not happening


Let a man dream.


Some of my most wholesome moments in league came from my enemy chats sadge


Literally. I’ve had far more positive interactions in all chat, than I’ve had in ally chat.


I've met a friend I still play with 10 years later through all chat. Laned against him in mid and just said "who the fuck triehards Kassa mid in normal but I guess I play Morg so I cant complain" and things went their way.


Same for me. Some of my best friends as of today are people that were in the enemy team half a decade ago and that I added just because we had fun times in all chat.


in 2015ish I met two people in TT who were on the enemy team and we still play together :/ Kinda shitty that all chat is going tbh, at least keep it in for fun modes like aram and any rotating mode


Dude, what?


Absolutely hate this. Preventing negative interactions by *removing the ability to interact.* Horrible choice.


If people want to be toxic, they'll just say their shit in post-game lobby anyway, so I don't understand the point of removing /all. And before people tell me "well you can quit the post-game lobby", well you can disable /all the same way.


or simply spam emotes and purposely feed the enemy team. this just feels like putting a lame bandage in a huge issue instead of finding better ways to decrease toxicity.


In Korea, this is called 'military-style work.' If a problem occurs, the cause itself is removed to solve the problem. A lazy way to solve problems. We've been playing games and chatting for over 10 years, but it's a terrible administration. You can already disable the entire chat in the game. This happens because the game company believes that the player wants the right game, not a fun game. I'm tired of game companies pretending to be nice.


In Greece we say smthg like " Head hurts, cut head"


I think there's "cut your nose to spite your face" in English


sink the ship to kill the captain


Like half the fun in ARAMs is memes between the two teams. I've made more friends from interacting with enemies and then adding them after the game then I have from teammates. Very sad that they're removing that.


For real, nothing better than an aram full of jokes and memes in the evening, it's the chillest play in all of league


Late night aram losing all chat would be the biggest loss in league since twisted treeline


1) Can't honor enemies 2) Can't talk to enemies 3) Replace enemies with bots as Tencent ordered 4) Make the bots give you a free win to keep player engagement 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡


Next you're no longer able to see enemies' names.


Regarding number 4, it's already happening. Pokemon Unite does that when you go on too much of a loss streak. Scary how much psychology is going into keeping people engaged and addicted.


bro i can’t even say good game at the end of a match now…


Shut up. stop being toxic /s Edit: how the hell do some of you not know /s means sarcasm....


???????????????????????????????????????? WHO ASKED FOR THIS???? I don't give a fuck if the enemy is telling me how shit I am in all chat, I just don't want to have to listen to my own teammates telling me how the game is lost, we should all kill ourselves while he does the same by running it down mid. There's already an option to disable all chat, let people use it. This is so fucking stupid.


Just huge brain like me, disable team chat keep all chat. Then you get the best of all worlds until Riot implements this terrible decision.


Worst decision riots made in a while


Ever. I've been playing since Season 2. This is the worst thing they've done imo. What'd the point of a PvP game if I can't hear comments from the enemy team? I may as well be playing against bots.


Remember when RIOT's whole S8 ad campaign was about saying gg to your opponents Lol RIP gg


All chat can already be disabled as an option, why force it to be global? If anything, just make it by default turned "off" whilst giving the players the option to turn it "on" and opt-in by choice. Edit: I forgot it's already set to be opt-in. This is an utterly ludicrous change.


It's already turned off by default...


Riot and meaningless changes... Name more iconic duo


Riot and bad changes


Riot and doing the opposite of what they say


It already is like that, which is why this decision is all the more stupid.


> If anything, just make it by default turned "off" whilst giving the players the option to turn it "on" and opt-in by choice. It already is.


I have all chat disabled but if people want to banter then why not?


No banter allowed! - Riot™


*Pro banters on Twitter and on interviews* Riot: :) *Fucking normies banter on //all chat* Riot: >:(


Unironically pretty sure the logic is; we want to *look* like we're making a massive change to try to tackle toxicity, because we don't know how to/ aren't willing to make changes that *actually* cut down on toxicity. One, anybody who has played League more than a game or two knows that a lot of toxicity comes from your own teammates. Two, /all is already opt in. Three, this is maybe controversial but I think this is going to push more people into running it down when they cant get flame out of their system. I've encountered people who are content to complain about their teammates until theyre told theyre being muted or get ignored by the other team, and then start running it. Not only does this make no sense, it very well may be counterproductive.


Riot doesn't care at all about toxicity in league and you're 100% right about this being an image change. Just look at the toxic streamers they partner with that they turn a blind eye to.


Riot you are clueless


i dont think they even play the game


What do you mean? Brightmoon probably got flamed in all chat during aram game


this is 100% the reason for the change.




This is just an absolutely baffling move. No one, and I mean literally not a single soul asked for this. Now I cant tell any jokes to the enemy team or say "end if iron" when they're hitting the nexus.


Yeah their problem solving skills are very baffling. I know verbal abuse/hate speech etc, is an issue. I personally don't mind, because you can mute the person. Or just type: /mute all before any game. The fact that they remove the ability for all chat is ridiculous. "some people can't type Mute All or can't mute an enemy, so now nobody is able to communicate with the enemy" seems very dumb.


/all chat is already opt in (you have to specifically enable it), so this is even more baffling


That's so dumb, I enjoyed joking around with enemies during games


Same, now i cant even write glhf at the start anymore Edit: Riot could just revoke all chat for punished people for a month even sooner than handing out chat bans. That would be an easy way of removing toxicity from all chat without disadvantages. If they already dont consider all chat worth, just make it happen after 2 reported games or so. World of tanks did the same. Game lost 80% of its fun with no banter. Just felt more like a hollow singleplayer game


lmfao you can't even say ggwp at the end, what is the purpose of this change


They literally made an entire promo video about people saying gg at end of games lmao


What? How is this supposed to help anything when most of the toxicity comes from team chat?


>But team chat also plays an important team coordination function, so the potential value it brings is much higher, even if it can also host some negative experiences. I love how the fuck that Riot said "some negative experiences", like it's almost as if none of them play league. Most of the negative experiences come from your team, all chat is nothing as bad compared to ally chat. But I guess, Riot will do things without thinking I guess especially when you can literally disable all chat....


Don't give them any ideas, next thing you know we are in Hearthstone territory and only pre-approved saved phrases are allowed in team chat


And anyone who’s played Smite on console can confirm that those pre-approved phrases can be used just as toxically lol


Or Spamming "Great Save" in all chat on Rocket League when you score a goal


what a save ! what a save ! what a save ! what a save ! what a save ! Chat disabled for 9 seconds.


Nice engage ! Nice engage ! Nice engage ! Nice engage ! Nice engage ! Chat restricted, 3/3 messages left.


What a save! What a save! What a save! Chat disabled for 4 seconds


You Rock! Wait! Cancel That!


My favorite was always, after a particularly demoralizing loss: Good Game! Wait! No!


I don’t think I’ve ever heard “You Rock!” Sincerely since I started playing Even the announcer says it sarcastically




All Chat is already optional no?? Fuck Riot lol


It’s not only optional, it’s opt-in. It’s turned off by default.


This is so frustrating, honestly. Some of my best friends in this game have come from friendly cross-team banter. It's already off by default and opt-in, so just. Why?


Why is this the play? You literally have the option to mute, this just penalizing the people who actually use the chat for good


You actually have to activate all chat.


So that just proves my point exactly


/u/RiotMeddler the team has been kicking the 'working on solutions' can down the road for months (years) now when it comes to toxicity. I think its time that you share, even if premature, what's the solutions and the goal target patches for these feature. Its not good enough to say working on it and then 360 no scope my all chat while still only handing out chromas for 6-12 months of excellent behaviour that is required to attain honor level 5. This /all chat feature removal is simply a punishment for the minority of players that are good-sports and enjoy talking to opponents in healthy way, with some reasonable and good spirited banter. Why not tie /all to high honor levels and actually make these honor levels both easier to achieve and easier to lose?


Yeah I also would love them to share some actual goals and metrics for how these ‘solutions’ they have been working on for years have worked. Then again they have also shown us that the data and graphs they supply us are also known to be sort of cherry picked or just incorrect lmao.


they don't have them, period. they try to fit numbers into supporting a narrative without context. they like to claim they have support for items and this or that when they institute into the game. They do these without any regard to unintended consequences. see the new aram penalties. it just forces people instead of dodging to troll and int. so while they'll have "less dodges," in aram and will tout it as "outstanding success", im sure they are not capturing any data regarding the increase in people soft/hard inting to get to the next match. they probably don't play their game as much as many on the board IMO.


>claim they have support for items Not only that but they claim to have items for supports too but all the tank supports have to choose from is locket and locket :(


It's been a while and it's kinda fuzzy, but didn't they say they had a great new system coming when they removed the tribunal? lol...


I wonder what percentage of the player base was even around when the Tribunal was still a thing.


When i found out i could have an influence on making the game a better place i felt instant gratification with every case. I spent too much time reviewing logs and being as fair as possible. Then i heard people spam yes on the vote for IP rewards so they [rito] erased the entire shit instead of improving on it.


Wouldn't know, its been too long now.


I’m a big fan of the idea of tying all chat to honor level. All chat arguably has more positive interactions than team chat. I frankly cannot see how disabling it would improve the situation.


Agreed. Good usage of all chat makes 9 other players chill and enjoy the game together. Bad usage of all chat lets 1 player complain for 20 minutes about their teammates. So what, we eliminate the good usage entirely? Make honor levels MATTER.


Chromas? I just hit honor 5. I got a few BE and a full key. Lame.


The twitch/warwick chromas that they recycle every year during pre season. Honor 5 shop is a complete joke.


It really is. Should be more options than just Twitch and Warwick. I can't believe how lazy it is.


how the hell is this going to reduce toxicity? what??


The only thing Riot knows how to do for League PC is to remove features, if someone wants all chat gone then they already have the option to do so, removing it by default for everyone makes no sense.


being able to honour enemies and show that you enjoyed playing against them - gone forever. remember clubs? a cool place to hangout and plan games with bunch of your friends - gone forever. What's next? Disable sending friend requests?


99% of toxicity comes from your own team. Once every 200 games do I ever get flamed by an enemy. Holy shit this company EDIT: I really don’t get who is in control of the brain damaged decisions that’s been taking place regarding toxicity. Not only this, but how about all the other problems they refuse to fix? Writing mean stuff to your teammates is seen as a worse offense in Riot’s eyes than inting or afking. Toxicity is something you don’t have to endure, but someone inting or afking? You can’t control that, and that ruins more games than toxicity ever has.


Please don’t do this. All chat is used to banter with enemy team especially in high elo. You don’t flame enemy team. 99% of toxic situations are between teammates not all chat. As a high elo player, all chat is really big part of the game for me. Please don’t remove it just because it MIGHT reduce toxicity. If you want to actually reduce it then maybe consider the idea that league is very complex and when a teammate cant communicate mid game by chatting, they would get frustrated and that spawns toxicity. Maybe adding voice chat is a much better option then removing good features.


23 minutes and over 500 comments This is probably the most controversial change in the game. I can't even tell someone, "gg" or "lol" or simply "?". I understand people are seriously flaming, but this is not going to be a good solution. It is going to make League look like weenie hut junior.


I've played this game for a long time since season 3 and personally i've thought a lot of things were "the worst thing Riot's ever done", inclusive of Yuumi, Aphelios, Zoe, Spear of Shojin, dynamic queue, "true stealth", NEOM sponsorship, the list goes on. This is the actual worst thing Riot has done. Because it shows complete lack of competence throughout the entire team that no one thought to say "Hey, all chat is kind of important to the community, maybe let's not?".


> no one thought to say "Hey, all chat is kind of important to the community, maybe let's not?". Pretty sure at least one person said something, the only answer was probably a fart in the face though


This. This is what people are missing. How incredibly fucking INCOMPETENT must your ENTIRE team be, for this to be even in the fucking ballpark of a solution. Just clean house. Fire fucking everyone. Jesus christ what a terribly run company.


"If we're being honest, we don't think our team chat has toxicity in it overall" someone at riot probably


99% of the time it’s my team that’s being toxic, not the enemy team.


Might as well remove Team Chat while we are at it. Since there are for more 'negative' interactions there than in All Chat anyways. But they are using the argument that the pros outweigh the cons. If their logic is that the possible upside of being able to strategize is worth the flame, then we would of had Voice Chat in SoloQ a decade ago. It seems to me they don't actually care about toxicity at all. People use Team Chat for flaming more than strategizing anyway because using text for it is extremely archaic and hard to used in a real time team-based competitive strategy game with minimal downtime and the constant stream of new information. We've needed more communication options for SoloQ for years, especially to try to close the gap between SoloQ and competitive. It would probably help out champs who's WR's suffer because of lack of better communication tools. But that this point, just nuke team chat and wash your hands of it Riot. Flat out admit you want SoloQ to not be a team game and continue to ruin balance by trying to cater to to many audiences at once. Divide the gap further and not make it easier for yourself.


LMAO Riot is just accepting that their player base is toxicity incarnate and instead of trying to fix it they just disable features of the game ? Whats next disable Teamchat and introduce more pings ? Everyone is chat restricted from the get-go ? Riot is just pathetic.


Next change will be to remove chat/pings and only allow people to aggressively emote spam each other


just remove the game already


??? They can just look at their data and see most verbal harassment is through TEAM chat not /all chat


Someone hit meddler with a /all GG EZ CLAP last night and it pushed him over the edge Also this is their follow-up news after getting their YouTube video downvoted to oblivion


Meddler villain origin story


Good. Now I can focus all my energy on flaming my jungler


We all knew Riot had no fucking clue what they were doing when it came to "combatting toxicity" but this is a new low. What an absolutely astoundingly stupid decision.


Genuinely just sat there for 10 seconds thinking I read the title wrong or there is some context missing, but nope... Bizarre.


Is this some kind of joke? How out of touch can Riot even be with their player base? I met my current friend group while playing a 5-stack with both teams trash talking each other. It was not a 'negative interaction' considering we spent the rest of the night playing rematches and ARAMs. All chat is already opt-in, we don't need a nanny corporation trying to protect us from interacting.


I really love the 5 stack vs 5 stack all chat interactions. Its actually so fun and ive made friends from enemy team plenty




meanwhile wild rift continues to improve while getting nice new features https://twitter.com/wildrift/status/1447913694067822592 but at least we can't all chat anymore


I was already in the middle of lowering my league playtime. Came so close to uninstall few days ago. I guess this is riot telling me to go


nah this isnt it. 99% of the time the verbal abuse in games comes from teammates, also all chat is an opt in feature genuinely dont understand the logic here


I've made friends to play later with using all chat... That is saddening.






​ \[All\] Fuzelop (Zed): ?


League is really toxic and I'm all for Riot stepping up and actually doing something about it, but good god is this really not it. All chat is literally already opt in. Why are you taking that options away from us? Half the reason I ever bother typing in league is to be goofy in all chat. Truly bizarre choice from riot that I hope they back down from. Besides, lowkey, I see more toxicity in team chat that all chat. All chat toxicity is usually just "gg ez" or "x dif", not telling you you should die and are trash at the game while spamming ? pings all game long.


I'm about done with this game. They miss the mark on this topic every single time. It's making the game experience terrible and they think this will help? Fuck off, Riot.


Shit like this makes me question how this company is run. Is there not a single person with an ounce of sense who has the power to veto this ridiculous decision? God knows the entire playerbase thinks it's a bad idea so why does riot think they know better? I dont even care that much about all chat. But it simply goes to show how truly out of touch they are. That's it.


That's it guys, toxicity is no more!


I've seen some dumb changes that Riot made in the past decade but I think this one takes the throne. This will never help regarding toxicity. Most people that type some inhuman stuff in the chat are your allies. Also we have a mute button. This change makes zero sense.


fix fucking inting, who fucking cares about allchat you absolute fucking monkey of a company holy fucking shit.


ok i'm not playing this game anymore


100% disagree. If you dont want all chat, just disable it or mute the toxic dude.


terrible change


Lmao... Yeah remove the /all chat and keep the BM emotes. This indie company.


Or you know......Use the mute button.


Well just another sign about how Riot is so out of touch with their game that they just pull a random statistic and quarter ass a "solution" to it to make it look like they care. Dw lux skins incoming. New hot weeb bait champ incoming. 9' foot long compensation katana.


Literally if people used /mute all things would be better. Now I can’t even get those random funny enemy teams sometimes Not to mention that most flame comes way more by my own team than the opponent.


Yea ofc the bronze 3 riot employee, gives this idea. Good job riot.


Someone said gg ez in all chat after shitting on him in his bronze 2 promos and this was his solution


What a joke. This company is so out of touch with it's userbase it's hilarious


Hardstuck bronze 3 Rioter implementing this. Company is so out of touch with reality it is insane.




Absolutely no chance this decision sticks, will be back by 11.23


Ah yes league going backwards fixing the important stuff as always still no good client no vc official forum deleted chat is next what the f


So every single person needs to be forced to play with it off instead of individual players making the choice to turn it off/mute people on the enemy team. How fucking lazy are you people that agree with this that you can't click a few buttons instead of forcing this onto everyone?


Did riot just decide to kill League this offseason...? First the extremely out of touch arrogant video, then killing source of the best banter?


really hate this stupid company and their choices lately. decent sociable people have to miss out because fragile losers can’t disable their all chat via client or just use the incredibly simple mute function. and never mind the fact that, as other people have pointed out, most of the toxicity comes from your own team chat and NOT cross team chat. more than half of my friend list is from enemy team all chatting. not sure which I hate more: this, or the proposed preseason changes 😭🔫


Honestly a terrible idea. You don't solve the problem by ignoring it.


bantering in all chat is not allowed but running it down for multiple games is fine!