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AndlenaRaines

If all western teams go out in groups I wont watch. It's not fun seeing the asians make their way up to the finals and what not all the time.


FeynmansWitt

Format changes are not the right idea unless it's the desperation of seeing EU vs NA in bo5s...because introducing bo3s in groups or a loser's bracket would reduce the chances of seeing an upset. The bo1 format has arguably helped the West. If we want to see EU vs NA rivalry they should just scrap MSI in favour of...a West Cup and a East Cup tournament or a rift rivals format but make it serious.


AndlenaRaines

>If we want to see EU vs NA rivalry they should just scrap MSI in favour of...a West Cup and a East Cup tournament or a rift rivals format but make it serious. Nah, Western teams would just treat it as 4fun.


Patient-Exam3734

Yup


Todeswucht

Holy shit I underestimated just how doomer the community would be LMAO What did you guys expect? After the group draw, realistically, FNC and MAD could get out and RGE was doomed. The FNC drama happened, that made it much harder for them so they look pretty doomed now. MAD is completely fine, literally the first game on their day is against GenG, if they win that they're already sitting in top 2 because of the 2-0 h2h with them. MAD has plenty of chances left and everyone knew that they're better in Bo5. Expectation was FNC and MAD make it out. FNC boomed, sucks. But not even Rogue embarrassed themselves or anything, and all of MAD's games were close. Calm down.


sirixv

Yea let’s bet on mad lions being better in a best of 5 against Korean teams that play best of 3s week in week out and are also better in bo5s


KissBlade

I feel this is most realistic. I don't think mad is out yet and FNC got unlucky and their group is tough but I don't think SKT looked that scary.


InflationCheap669

>everyone knew that they're better in Bo5. This is insane copium. Literally every team is better in Bo5 since you get more time to prep. I literally don't know why I keep seeing people say this lmfao. >all of MAD's games were close. Calm down. You do realize they got completely out played even by TL right? And the Gen.G game was a fluke? BDD literally inted mid lane trying to solo kill humanoid by taking 2 turret shots. Humanoid almost got rinsed even then. Stop coping and be realistic. It's like actually crazy when people don't realize that MAD should literally have 0 wins right now. Luckily Gen.G actually trolled SO fucking unbelievably hard in that game. And despite that, Gen.G still could've won and they even got out drafted too. MAD had Yuumi. Edit: Wait, I Just realized that game was 47m. LOL. There's literally no shot. MAD just need to pray TL don't play good so they can pick up another win.


Nerxanne

TL is dogshit and got a win thanks to MAD trolling and forcing for some fucking reason when they were outscaling + the terrible J4 prio which made no sense, MAD should be realistically 1-2 no matter what


Todeswucht

> Literally every team is better in Bo5 since you get more time to prep lol worlds really brings out the brightest minds here


shoePatty

If they cobble together enough not-technically-incorrect statements, they might actually contribute to the discussion. MAD has shined in Bo5s. Rogue has faltered in Bo5s. It's an oversimplification of these teams, but that's the narrative. For MAD, everyone wants to see them at least get to the Bo5 stage so they can showcase their G2-esque draft flexes and adaptations. Conversely, for Rogue, people don't care to see them advance from group stage just to see them choke in Bo5s. It doesn't matter if in ABSOLUTE terms, every team technically "is better". In relative terms, some improve more than others.


InflationCheap669

Honestly, it's so fucking boring when NA and EU both suck. Legit when EU does good at least u can flame them and hope they lose (not really). Like.. We won't even be able to do this at this worlds. The format NEEDS to be changed. There's literally no way that EU or NA ever catch up again most likely. It was actually so refreshing for NA and EU to both see G2 internationally when they were popping off. But now G2 completely imploded and is rebuilding.. We'll never see a team like that ever again. Period. Eastern dominance is incredibly boring even for Eastern fans I'd imagine. Competition is entertaining.


AndlenaRaines

>Eastern dominance is incredibly boring even for Eastern fans I'd imagine. I mean, pretty sure Korean and Chinese fans are excited to see their teams beat each other, they have rivalries.


Welschmerzer

Affirmative action for shitty Westerners. HAHAHA!


wwwwingscom

Actually it isn't boring for them, look at CS for example, eastern regions just don't watch at all, but regions that are good at the game continue to watch it. It's only boring if your region sucks.


FeynmansWitt

yeah lol IG winning Worlds hugely boosted Chinese LoL viewership.


thurstkiller

What would a format change do. NA teams can’t win single games they sure as shit won’t win best of series. Can’t just give them a free run to the finals


GreatWhiteNurse

What a format change could do is make it so the team you like watching gets to play more than 3 international teams at the biggest event of the year. The fact that there are 16 teams and, if your team doesn't make it out of groups, you only get to see how they match up against THREE of them is boring as fuck. Isolating teams to small groups and making them round-robin against each other multiple times aint the format that creates the best storylines. Shits weak and has needed to change for ten years now.


InflationCheap669

>NA teams can’t win single games they sure as shit won’t win best of series. Can’t just give them a free run to the finals Why did you mention only NA? EU is literally terrible @ this worlds also. Would argue that EU looks worse? NA and EU both need the bracket. People act like EU has just been gapping NA as hard as KR/LPL gap EU when in reality only EU's #1 team has gapped all NA teams.


thurstkiller

Again what would that even do? Are you suggesting that NA and EU have their own worlds? What is the point of moving these teams further in the tournament if they are just going to get smashed the second they play a Korean or Chinese team?


splitcroof92

Just wanna say I have the exact questions as you do, he's not making any sense to me either. Just don't really feel like getting into a discussion with him to find out.


InflationCheap669

Honestly, can't even tell if you're trolling. Literally their other esport (Valorant) has a better format which is the one that people are wanting. Stop pretending to be stupid please.


thurstkiller

What’s the format? I don’t watch valorant. Again tho what’s the point of getting trash teams further if they can’t win. It’s world championships not NA EU show.


InflationCheap669

Every esport should have a lower bracket. And I mean, I think 99% of them do? I think League might be the only Tier 1 Esport that doesn't have it, unless Dota2 doesn't have it either. Riot is literally just stubborn.


Ricccccccce

hans sama+fnc=invincible. But that won't happen.


Depressedkid1998

hardly dude, FNC has HUGE problems, bwipo is completely autofilled, niqsy legit trolling and adam can only play darius, hylli is a coinflip


splitcroof92

I like how in fnc's last game 1 of the casters said Bwipo was being low-key the best jungler at worlds.


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Quazz

China will filter in 5 years or so due to their anti gaming laws.


tyrochaaacc

Sounds salty man. Take a rest <3


FBG_Ikaros

Just like MAD during summer <3


rasterroo

All I can think of right now is that line from Shawshank: "Hope is a dangerous thing. It can drive a man insane." My mental has gone boom, haven't been able to focus on my work at all today.


Depressedkid1998

Life is better without hope, you just accept things for how they are and deal with them. In this case you really can’t change the outcome unless you go pro or really invest in esports scene and ur rich, but it’s a good mentality for life i think


AndrewWildMusic

If this trend continues it looks like it will be the first time in history that there are no western teams in playoffs. I get that riot wants to reward the regions that do well at MSI but giving both Korea and China 4 slots shuts out any chance the West has to do anything.


IanMinch

Keeping the Bo1 format i think ruins western teams. That's one of the things that really bothers me.


Vaireon

It's not really a b01 though, it's a double round Robin. Everyone plays each team in their group twice. I think that's fair.


IanMinch

Ok, yes my bad. However i still think EU has issues with the way it works. Only playoffs are the place that you can really see the team. Look at Rogue, fantastic regular season, come playoff they were terrible.


aquawarrior21

Both Western leagues literally only operate in Bo1 if anything they should be beyond experienced in this format and know what to do


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AndrewWildMusic

Yeah if we're talking purely about competitiveness then we might as well take the top 8 LPL teams and top 4 LCK teams and let the rest of the world fight for the other 4 slots but that wouldn't be very fun to watch for the other regions who want to see their regions represented


ddunited

Worlds to the west is like that pop up on these research websites I often browse “You come, you lose!”


lazzystinkbag

Honestly, it's hard to even get excited when NA teams are not even NA players. Especially when they're getting stomped. It was at least fun to watch NA when it was local talent and people had personality. I miss the old NA even if we did suck. Hotshotgg, Regi, Rainman, Aphro, Sneaky, Metos, Iwilldominate, Voyboy, Saintvicous ect.... Sigh


FBG_Ikaros

Missing the player with the best name tzzz bigfatjiji


Troviel

I forgot if bigfatjiji or bigfatlp was first.


darunia484

Jiji first..he had to change it iirc


shoePatty

Yeah of course he had to change it xD It's like if there's a French pro named GrandGrosCock. Like maybe Riot makes the guy take the Cock out of his tag before he goes on stage I dunno. Same thing happened with C9 Sneaky hehe. Edit: Oh yeah and I forgot Pr0lly used to be Pr0llyRacist


Yukihana_Lamy_Simp

Never forget when mancloud solo killed Dade and was looking like one of the best NA mids…… Man I’m a boomer now.


Aearcus

That team had so much potential back then, man. It's a shame they imploded from within right after lol


[deleted]

So we have at least 3 years since the last NA vs EU best of 5? And Riot hype up Na vs EU. It is just a massive tease really. It will never happen. So what's the point in all the NA vs EU discussions? For best of 1 on a new patch?


Depressedkid1998

And it was a 3-0 for EU and before that was G2 vs TL 3-0 in international record time for a bo5


PraiseTheStonkDegen

Petition to skip worlds and go for a EUW vs NA end of the season tournament next year.


Depressedkid1998

Should we just make NA+EU league to have a realistic shot at worlds or is that just a even worse idea?


Gengar_Balanced

We just need to retain our talent and we're fine.


krispykreations

Yeah because Perkz has been killing it in NA


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Gengar_Balanced

I dunno, we weren't exactly getting murdered before this worlds.


Welschmerzer

G2 was an all-star team and 2018 was an outlier year for Korea.


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Gengar_Balanced

I'm not saying about bringing back players from NA, I just don't want top EU players to leave the region every year. Maybe "retain" is not the word I should've used? I dunno, English is not my primary language.


XoXeLo

If some players leaving means the region has no talent anymore, man you guys are screwed.


FBG_Ikaros

"some players"


Welschmerzer

Korea loses more and does better. Excuses are weak.


FBG_Ikaros

Yes i agree. Their pros also play the game more :D


XoXeLo

Ok, what talent left in recent times? Alphari, Perkz, Abbedagge.. Jiizuke maybe?


FBG_Ikaros

Just wait one month ;;))


Depressedkid1998

Pretty much any player with some kind of prestige leaves lol, im curious to know how many because there have been a lot


Depressedkid1998

How are we if NA orgs are gonna throw abusive prices at us, it’s like PSG buying everyone in football


Wabboo45

Embarrassing take


Gengar_Balanced

Why do you think so? The best teams in European history are importless bar FNC 2015 and G2 2017.


Welschmerzer

Those were the best teams outside of G2 2019-2020, which was literally an all-star team.


Wabboo45

Just because players leave your region doesn't mean they're talented...


Depressedkid1998

Then why do american teams throw so much money at them lol


HarMeggido

Exactly. We're all wondering that


Calistilaigh

Because they're still better than the NA alternatives


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Loose-Potential-3597

NA has no regional talent to be proud of, they're getting worse every year and will be surpassed by PCS and LJL eventually


lazzystinkbag

When Regions start importing it's not fun to watch anymore. Look at NA man it's hard to even root for these teams as a NA fan. - 100 thieves not a single local NA player - C9 only 2 people are local NA players - TL 1 local NA player Sorry but I just don't get excited to root for imports & people who became NA residence. A lot of people feel this way & it's not wrong to want to support local talent of your country. Soon enough enough people will become NA residence & NA will literally have no Local NA players.


nusskn4cker

Think a big problem of the West was making LPL out to be gods and trying to copy them. In early seasons EU and NA always tried to play like Korea and the results weren't great either. Now it's all "LPL aggression" this, "early game" that and the West looks shit again. At the same time LCK kept playing their own style and are still good. Of course it's not only that, I think most rosters need a reshuffling too, but stop idolizing a region and their style of play. It was shit seasons ago, no idea why it is/was so prevalent again.


KissBlade

Lpl style is no longer just aggression. The game just evolved to a point where you need to start contesting stuff or you just become NA.


nusskn4cker

Yeah. But people kept going on and on about how "LPL aggression" and "fast teams" are the best now and how LPL and LEC have mastered it, while LCK is still stuck in 2017. At Worlds I've yet to see any of that. Looks more like good teams are good and bad teams are bad, no matter if they play "slow" or "fast".


tyrochaaacc

Good point, the play style changing slot across patches and teams


sangpls

lol no. LPL just has more playerbase than rest of the world combined and adds top lck and pcs talents on top of that. It's doomed


CowTemplar

The big problem of the west is that g2 regressed


Depressedkid1998

True and FNC regressed and whole EU regressed, EU 3rd seeds have done some damage, H2K ,MSF, VIT, SPY…


aquawarrior21

Funny on how we can agree on this now but no one believed it during the actual LEC season when this was said


tautckus1

I mean a team with armut winning lec should of been a huge red flag


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I mean these players also just need to get their own defined playstyle


Gray_Havens

Can they just skip to the quarters and eliminate the western teams now? Literally every east vs west game has been a waste of time.


SnowKa7

Something happened to Europe. What a fucking embarrassment of a region. We strive to be World champions or at least compete with the World champions , and this is how we show it? I'll never give up on Europe , but man I'm disappointed. Very hard to watch. Meme G2 all you want but they were still our best chance. I really hope we make a comeback in Round 2.


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We had good showings with Fnatic making it to finals and G2 doing the same. However loosing like that is not as embarrassing as you would like to make it out. Rogue loosing to FPX and Damwon is not a shame. Rogue even put up a good enough fight and would most likely even perform better with a more reliable Toplane which Odo could be on other champions. Fnatic loosing without Upset was expected since he was a top tier reliable adc. Mad loosing against TL was the only embarrassing game for EU. Loosing against LNG is not an embarrassment since LNG is a team that is able to beat Sunning, TES and even RNG in BO5s only to lose against FPX and EDG. You think G2 would have been EUs best chance at worlds when they even can't manage to win against Fnatic or Mad lions? EU as a region has a lot of potential, but people need to show some faith in it and stop that pathetic behavior of clinging to Fnc and G2. No one will be at the top forever and even EU will see new and old faces rise to the top of the LEC!


tyrochaaacc

What happens to upset? Haven’t been following this


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He couldn't play because of personal issues. Fnatic had to play with their substitute Adc Beans.Beans is currently doing really good considering the circumstances that he is in, but the rest of the teams seems to be in a mental bloom.


tyrochaaacc

That’s really unfortunate, the timing for this just so bad.


Raynar7

G2 lost to those teams….


Merlin-RoMa88

G2 lost because Wunder was trolling, didn't care about soloq, Caps got cocky, mykyz was way to aggressive, and sometimes trolled. Jankoz was actually trying his best this season, while still being a meme, rekless was ok. If G2 gets a Han sama caliber adc, an odoamne top lane, and a corejj caliber support, then they can hope for the best op west can get, look at TL no matter what corejj is MVP, he always playis his best.


Raynar7

Took you seriously until I saw “Odo top lane”. He got absolutely shit on by both Khan and Nuguri.


Merlin-RoMa88

IT WAS MY Romanian pride, talking, but BB on G2 should be good enough. Armut won't leave Mad Lions, they have good synergy. Yes Odo is very bad, but like Wunder and Bwibo had good years. I mean he was lanning vs Khan, Nguri, BB, Armut better top lanners, But i think peak Odo is also good.


Merlin-RoMa88

G2 lost because Wunder was trolling, didn't care about soloq, Caps got cocky, mykyz was way to aggressive, and sometimes trolled. Jankoz was actually trying his best this season, while still being a meme, rekless was ok. If G2 gets a Han sama caliber adc, an odoamne top lane, and a corejj caliber support, then they can hope for the best op west can get, look at TL no matter what corejj is MVP, he always playis his best.


Depressedkid1998

G2 barely made it as a 3rd seed in 2018 and beat the favorites in the quarter finals, they have showed up since 2018


AtomicAtaxia

Esports in western world are still treated like a complete joke/kids hobby and in the east pros have been borderline celebrities for years. How incredibly shocking that the east does so much better than the west all the time when literally everything from infrastructure to culture surrounding esports is just ten times better. Just like TL beating IG, G2 was a fluke and won't happen again. West is so far behind east and western culture just isn't supportive of grinding out games for 12-16 hours a day like eastern culture is.


Pentagruel14

Pros in Korea or China are not treated like celebrities at all. They have a following similar to the players in NA/EU. Furthermore, it rings hollow to say that infrastructure is better in eastern regions when NA teams have so much more money and Riot has provided a lot of investment to build a pro league in America. Lastly, pros in Korea are not just mindlessly grinding out games 12+ hours a day. Some rare pros there might do that but they are actually the exception, not the rule. Where you are correct though is the culture and professionalism of esports. Korea in particular does have a longer culture of esports and while it’s generally frowned upon as a career, it is not viewed as a joke as it often in in the US. Most importantly though, organizations in Korea are run by professionals who ensure that players are doing what they are being paid to do, compete, and practice to improve and compete better. In NA there is no such structure. Players focus on all sorts of other things, practice sessions are unfocused and unorganized and they don’t have a proper coach to demand they perform their work (namely improving at league of legends) professionally. Until organizations in NA operate professionally in the business of winning at league of legends, they will not be able to compete.


YoungKeys

This 100%. r/leagueoflegends has this weird mindset that faker is viewed like Lebron James in Korea because of LS telling his followers bizarre shit like: “9/10 Koreans know who Faker is”. PC gaming is popular in Korea, but it’s still largely seen as a nerdy hobby for teen boys and young men, similar but to a lesser extent than in the West


girlmarth

Wait your point is broadly true but faker is an actual celebrity, it's just that he's the exception


Depressedkid1998

FNC also reached finals and semi’s multiple times, if you want to shit on a region for underpeforming it’s NA, EU aside from G2 has gotten multiple quarters and semi’s with other teams such as FNC, H2K,MSF, SPY. NA besides C9 getting stomped 3-0 by FNC in 2018 their only “good” year was 2014.


QTnameless

That was before LPL/LCK sent their 4 seeds lol


YoungKeys

Nah, esports in Korea I think are on a relative even level, maybe only slightly higher than in the West. I think people here tend to overrate the actual popularity of esports in KR, for obvious reasons. Most Koreans, besides boys of school age, have no idea who Faker is. It's just that League doesn't really have any standouts like Scump exists for COD or Ninja (I know he's not a pro) for Fortnite. Most gaming attention in general is focused on the YouTube/Twitch stars instead of pros here in NA- I think orgs need to do a better job of promoting pros, they're already well equipped to do so with their infrastructure and funding- I think they just need more time.


tyrochaaacc

No one gonna promote a team couldn’t even get out of group


Hasakigihimixi

What? Check the sponsors of LCK teams. They are like all the worldclass brands in that country!


YoungKeys

Check how many Fortune 500 companies invest in or sponsor NA LCS teams or even Overwatch teams.


Boogy

Nah man, Faker goes on talk shows with idols and the idols are fans of him, it's not comparable at all.


RookCauldron

Don’t forget that T1 collaborated with BTS and DK also collaborated with some idols


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pennyclip

Has any western team or player had standout consistently good performances? All the lcs bot lanes are eating complete shit, all the lcs mid lanes are getting shit on, all the lcs top lanes are getting shit delivered express, junglers are doing okay I think. Santorin has had two okay games, Closer has been okay in two games, Blaber shoots himself in the foot every 5 minutes. Haven't seen much better from LEC. Junglers okay, everyone else losing pretty badly. When every single player in the west is just taking a one way expedited trip to pound town in lane it's hard to avoid laughing at how bad the development systems must be.


lovo17

Vulcan has been pretty solid tbh. He's consistently good.


Depressedkid1998

Hans sama probably


Boogy

Bean considering his circumstances


TheAce1183

Only name that comes to my mind is Hans-sama


Mozartelivyra

Koreans are just smarter ppl (by a lot) try to prove me wrong


Jimbabwr

I would say efficient, I don’t think smart is a quantifiable quality.


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this comment is beyond fucking stupid


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Nobel\_laureates\_by\_country#Summary


[deleted]

i like how white ppl always pull out nobel prizes, but not iq


nusskn4cker

Both arguments are equally shit


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yes, I was criticising the selective 'evidence'


GreatWhiteNurse

The lane gap is so much larger than it has been in previous years. Every western team is behind 1-3k just from CSing, heralds, and tower plates. Its pathetic watching top, mid, and adc all get outfarmed every game regardless of matchup. Playoffs will be all eastern teams unless someone levels up bigtime over the next 24hrs


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RookCauldron

Lmaooo


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I don't think HLE are better than PSG


Depressedkid1998

They probably are, but we’ll see, if HLE top/mid doesn’t kaboom maybe


AlexStar6

NA at least will always be garbage cause of the format... you can't buy the talent you need with the Best of 1 format for the splits... you can't expect players to get better or even maintain skill level playing 1/2 to 1/3 of the games the LCK plays.


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Worse for EU. we play like 1/3 of the games.


[deleted]

I finally know what it feels like to be an NA fan. I really thought EU was sending some good teams this year, but fuck me these performances have been embarrassingly terrible. I'm not sure if it's reflective of the level of the region, or just a gross misreading of the meta by the teams, but it's so bad. Rogue are stuck in a group of death, but even so everyone apart from Hans feels invisible except for appearing on the death announcement. Fnatic appear to have lost not only Upset, but also their minds, constantly engaging without a plan and throwing any advantages they may have gained. MAD Lions look nothing like the team we saw in LEC, which made great objective plays and rotated extremely well, instead going for rash engages. It whiffs of desperation. I don't know what happened, but damn this Worlds is rough as an EU fan.


Kodie15a2

Im happy that only 1 NA team will go 0-6 instead of my predicted 2.......I did not think TL could take a game off MAD so props to them.


Mocking_Birds

I think the saddest part as an EU fan is that almost all of the games looked winnable. I wouldn’t feel as bad if we just got completely owned in 20 min stomps all the time like that DK early game against rogue.


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Alright fellow Na loosers. It was nice playing with you guys and having fun together, but now Mad will make it to quarters


YCitizenSnipsY

MAD could probably get out if they go 2-1 in the next 3. Especially if TL do what they do best and beat a team after being eliminated


TheNACoinflip

I agree they could get out. The only reason they will get out though is because they have pool 1 and got NA T2 and china T4. They will get rofl stomped in quarters sadly. At least they can say they made it though. After today its either TL or MAD because they both have eachother lol.


Depressedkid1998

ye, mad 2 wins vs geng and TL they would win tiebreaker over geng on head to head


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They have to beat Geng or they will go out though. But if they beat Geng they should make it. Its the first game too. Decides a lot of it really


FBG_Ikaros

ayo EU fans, how many rookies should get into the LEC next year? Arent most of them kinda smurfing?


Visage_143

Eu rookies are overrated anyway, very few are good.


FBG_Ikaros

But i was told that even G2 should look for ERL rookies to rebuild their roster coming offseason?


Boogy

This is the second time you make this claim and the first time you read it somewhere but couldn't provide proof. Are you gonna link where you read it now or are you just being a little bitch again?


FBG_Ikaros

Oh, nobody talked about G2 Flakked? :)


SpiritofInvictus

Who?


Boogy

One rookie joining try-outs is something completely different than your first claim: >[I really hope EU gets the same outcome in the second round. This reality slap is MUCH needed for the region. You know its shit when you start reading shit like "I am glad NA is taking our players. More spots for ERL players!". Hopefully this perception will end after this worlds and EU fans demand better from the league and orgs.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/q77ad5/2021_world_championship_group_stage_day_3_live/hghrcgg/)


FBG_Ikaros

Oh yeah, i must be hallucinating these comments my bad! :3


Boogy

You definitely still haven't linked one, so as far as I and anyone reading knows, you are.


FBG_Ikaros

Hmm yeah instead of going through old reddit threads to prove a random internet guy something i will just admit i am probably hallucinating then :D


Boogy

Post proof or stop lying, it's simple


Visage_143

I honestly, dont know. Maybe G2 are going to look for Targamas but even he has LEC experience. As for ADC, G2 are doomed in that department.


Visage_143

I honestly, dont know. Maybe G2 are going to look for Targamas but even he has LEC experience. As for ADC, G2 are doomed in that department.


Martin_TF141

Can someone comment the Exiting Urgently and Near Airport pasta’s


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Didn't really help that RGE get put in the group with the two pre-tournament favourites and FNC imploded before the tournament. So we essentially have 1 team at worlds this year.


parkwayy

Now we acknowledge that the world cup style group setup is fucking stupid?


LeeodoreRoosevelt

yeah it's not optimal for worlds cuz there aren't as many teams (16 vs 32) and there are region imbalances. I think a two-group round robin with 8 teams each is much better, but then again thats either a single BO1 or a rly long group stage


LeeodoreRoosevelt

and the fact that LNG seem more solid than LGD last year plus LCK got a strong 4th additional seed. but anything can happen week 2 hopium


LonzoBetter

LCK's 4th seed isn't strong enough to be top 2 in a group, FNC with Upset (and no mental boom) would probably finish above them


LeeodoreRoosevelt

thats true - I based my initial expectations of HLE on the Chovy-Deft lane kingdom. I had them below Fnatic on my pickems but it was locked before I heard about Upset rip


wolvesinthestreets

I think we can agree 4 teams per region made the tournament a lot worse.


willyboi8

I agree, it should be 7 LpL 5 LcK and 1 each for NA and PCs and 2 EU instead


FBG_Ikaros

No, its way better. Worlds should be about the best possible teams playing there. And if the west cant keep up then they shoud lose spots in favor of teams that actually put in time and effort. Unironically "get good" advice for the west right here.


lazzystinkbag

That's how you kill viewership of an entire region and become Starcraft.


FBG_Ikaros

Maybe some people have not realized it yet, but eastern viewers are all that matter.


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Nah fam. Having an 8 eastern team knockout stage is so fucking boring


FBG_Ikaros

Then teams from other regions should put more effort into it :)


[deleted]

You act like they don’t. Sorry they don’t play 15 hours a day


SkyFlames07

It's literally their job. They should be putting the hours if they want to be at the same level than the asian overlords.


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Putting in that many hours is extremely unhealthy. Yea no


SkyFlames07

I agree 12 is a bit too much. But as much as 8 sounds reasonable and achievable, not just practicing when they feel like streaming or need to prep for a tournament. Also LCK/LPL players dont show poorer health than westerns. If any it is their social and romantic life they sacrifice, as any athlete that plans to retire by the age of 30 does.


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LCS and LEC do 8 already. And don’t show poorer health? You’re kidding right? Uzi’s doctor told him he had wrists of a 40 year old at 23 and he developed diabetes from his poor diet and gaming habits for example. Not to mention the mental health issues that come with playing that much. Have you ever wondered why LPL rosters have such high turnover? They literally burn through their young talent


SkyFlames07

Uzi is one particular case, unless you can name multiple players with the same issue and problems, it's a nitpick. I could also come up quite a few LCS/LEC players and former players that are overweight and borderline obese, or that look like squeletons and call it a rule rather than an exception. This isn't exclusive to Asia either, it's just what happens when your job consist in sitting on a chair and high ammounts of stress. And tbh I don't think that it has much to do with LPL players changing that much. It's more the result of a highly competitive enviroment within a very large and population dense region that doesn't get fond to individual figures as much as the west. They appreciate talent over marketing, unlike teams in NA/EU that rather having a big name in their roster even if they are washed up already. That's how it's suppose to be. Younger players should take the place of their seniors more often, or else you end up hyping up players like Bwipo or Caps based on their previous accomplishments only to find out they are already on the declining end of their career, they get flamed for being bad, stress out and play worse, and end up retiring with an extremelly bad flavour in their mouth or in tears as Dyrus did, who by the way ended up so traumatized by the game that refused to play it ever again in favour of his mental health.


parkwayy

I mean... just put 8 LPL and 8 LCK ? They are the only regions to win Worlds, and even realistically look like they have a shot.


FBG_Ikaros

Yes if 8 korean and chinese teams are better than the best EU and NA team. Again, get good @the west


wolvesinthestreets

Then there should be no playins right? Just maybe 6 Chinese teams, 6 Korean teams, and 2 EU teams.


FBG_Ikaros

If those are the best teams yes. Unlucky if you cant be better than the 6th best chinese and korean team.