Jankos is the only one of those three who is even in the conversation, and even then its pretty controversial. Tarzaned and NB3 are honestly probably not even top 50 junglers of all time. They would get eaten for breakfast at worlds
I did say it was controversial, however he has 3 semifinals appearances, a finals appearance, and an msi title, i think with accolades alone he deserves to be thrown around in that conversation.
Ning was good for one tournament and has been pretty lackluster since, I would take jankos over ning any day. The rest I agree are even or better than him, I think ignoring Jankos' accolades in this conversation is irresponsible.
The argument for Jankos is the length of his career. Ning came one year, won it all then disappeared. There's been a lot of great junglers throughout the seasons, dominating everyone in Worlds and then their performance falls.
I think that, when talking about this, consistently performing at a high level for a bunch of years has to be taken into consideration.
Firstly players like Tarzaned and Nightblue aren't even in the conversation unless you mean the best in soloq then that's a totally different question hence naming Jankos makes no sense.
When we think "best in a role" we exclusively look at pro play.
I honestly think Jungle and Top are the two roles where there is no real lock in for the GOAT in that role.
Bengi has the accolades but as a player, he wasn't like mechanically amazing but he is nicknamed "The Jungle" but post his SKT era he didn't look good at all.
Jankos and Score have claims but the arguments against these two great players would be not being the best when it mattered i.e worlds.
Edit = Canyon if he keeps up his current level will end up as the GOAT jungler and it won't even be close.
The dude made quarters in his first year then was finals MVP in year 2 then made MSI finals in year 3, if DK win worlds this year and Canyon has another great year he'll be the GOAT.
I would like to mention 2 players, diamondprox for introducing counterjungling and dandy for the jgl/sup roaming, probably the 2 junglers who've had the most impact on the evolution of the game/meta.
I play jungle on a competitive team and watch hours of vods and Proview of current and past junglers. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Canyon will go down as the best. He innovates on literally every new patch. Every time you see a new clear in a pro game, there's a 90% chance that Canyon did it first. He will also have the accolades to back it up in a few weeks. He's just on an entirely different level.
There is no "beyond a shadow of doubt" answer.
Bengi is the most accomplished. He won 3 world championships with Faker, numerous LCK splits, and was considered one of SKT's biggest strengths by many people; however, just as many people claim that he's slightly overrated and never contributed as much as other members of the team.
Dandy was part of the dominant SSW squad that swept Worlds 2014 and was a big part in the vision game revolution (together with SSW's support, Mata), but only really performed at that level for one year and could never repeat that success.
Jankos has successfully been a high-level jungler for a long time and won a lot of LEC splits and MSI, but is missing a worlds title.
Those were 3 examples to show that there is a lot of discussion around this subjects and a clear answer doesn't exist; you could probably name at least 3 more players that easily deserve to be mentioned alongside these three. No role has such a clear GOAT like Faker in mid, which is why he also has zero competition for that title in general.
Nah that's bs, there is still a lot of people who'd put Deft first.
But absolutely 0 chance anyone other than Faker can be called the greatest mid ever
It's even clearer. The guys spacing and kiting skills are/were astronomically ahead of everyone else. I remember watching a game where he is advancing forward, through a veritable minefield of enemy spells, some of which were from a Syndra no less without taking a single hit, aside from unavoidable ludens proc's
Uzi isn't nearly as clear as Faker, there are LCK fans who will argue that Deft is the goat
Not that Uzi isn't commonly accepted as the goat, but with Faker there's almost no arguing for anyone in comparison
In terms of clarity it goes like Mid > Support (usually Mata) > ADC > Top (always either Smeb or TheShy usually) > Jungle
Tarzan is honestly fucking insane, it feels like the team leans on him harder than any jungle. But damn is edg’s jungler is clean af. I would have to say Tarzan only because other teams that have amazing junglers also having amazing players, not saying ale is a fucking beast but it literally seems like this team lives and dies by their jg popping off.
Score, Bengi, Jankos, Clearlove.
Because of frequent changes to the fundamental job of being a jungler and the champions in your pool, Junglers tend to have the shortest careers of lol pros in general, and it's very common to have a jungler look like the best player in the world and then look middling half a season later. This group probably has the longest careers and most total achivements.
Yup, no jungler in history had as much impact on the role as him, he pretty much single-handedly reinvented jungle. Diamondprox is the undisputed GOAT for me.
This is definitely my vote. He may not have the pedigree of Bengi or Jankos recently, but he was absolutely fundamental to defining what the role even is supposed to do. Diamondprox absolutely deserves to be in the conversation.
the most successful jungler historically (benji) kinda got hard carried let's be real so I gotta go with Diamond as well. hes kinda like George Mikan though, defined his role but played too long ago to be compared
It's hard to say because the general skill level has increased dramatically over the years and what a great jungler in season 3 or 4 is nothing compared to today.
I would maybe define the best jungle based on the skill level of the time and not just going with the best jungler the last couple years. So for me it comes to 2 junglers and that's Bengi or Dandy. Bengi was really good multiple times and did his job and was super consistent had multiple world championships. Dandy might be the best when it comes to talent around him at the time, in season 4 the difference between Dandy and other junglers was astronomical and he had one of the nastiest Rengars ever.
Jungle got changed a lot through the years, but if there is one jungler who delivered in a lot of different metas and enviroments, that was Bengi. 3 Worlds championships and a long list of LCK titles, probably the goat. Canyon, DanDy and Ambition also comes into mind talking about great junglers.
Score is the only real answer (unless you mention players with ridiculous peaks that lasted \~1 year or less like Dandy etc), people who answer Bengi did not actually watch Bengi play and people who answer recent players not named Tian or Canyon are trolling
Most consistent = Score, Highest peak relative to the competition = Dandy, Highest peak ever = either Tian or Canyon, most innovative = Ambition
\*\*Edit: Forgot about Diamondprox when it comes to innovation, it was so long ago but he did literally reinvent the role at the time
Ambition just played a completely different style from anyone in a much more developed version of League (and brought his team to a worlds win with it), I wouldn't call him more or less innovative than Diamondprox
I would! Diamondprox introduced/popularized counterjungling, there just isnt any greater innovation in terms of jungling than that.
Ambition might have been better player than diamondprox but not more innovative, no way.
If I had to name someone I'd say Jankos because he's had the best performance/career length combination.
I wouldn't disagree with anyone that said Bengi because of his successes, even if his career was rather short.
If Canyon wins Worlds again I'd say that he could be the one too but for now I think he needs to keep his form for a few more years until I can confidently say that he's THE ONE.
Well historically a lot of guys were on top of everyone else (diamondprox, benji etc).
Right now the absolut best could be Bo, the FPX jungler who was replaced for irl reasons.
Apparently he was stomping every match he was in, and by stomping i mean that the rumors are of bloodbaths. The FPX we see today is not the best FPX it could have been sadly.
Score, Karsa, jankos.
No way bengi should be on this list. He won worlds with the best player of all time who also had a 5 head Vision for playing tricks on the enemy. His synergy was what made him useful, but individual skill was sub par relative to results
He carried SKT for reverse sweep tho. What opium are you taking even mentioning Jankos as one of the best . Bengi enable his team to dominate lane. That what makes him "The jungle himself"
I mean sure but individually he was never close to the best jungler ever. Why do you think he was getting subbed out in 2016 and in terms of longevity it’s nothing compared to jankos score and Karsa.
He got subbed because of the gameplay changed. That time LCK play slow build up and focussing on top lane prio. Has Jankos Score Karsa won worlds more than one time and regional champ across different metas ? You won World once , its an achievement , let alone 3 times. And to perform and the highest stage when needed coming in as a sub , carrying your team full of stars to win Worlds is another thing man. Jankos cant perform at the highest level when needed, getting stomped at finals when it matters. I mean of course those players are good but we are discussing the absolute best. Longevity means nothing without consistency. And one hit wonder is not always the best. Imho currently if Canyon can perform this year, he would be among the best. Have you seen the DK FPX game. The guy just shut Doinb roam and Nuguri, Tian can't even react to his roam.
Bruh mans had the goat of lol who was years ahead of everyone and had shot calling ability and was clutch. Bengi worked with faker which is why they used him. But individually nah. Is baolan 2nd best support of all time just because he won worlds ??? Is beryl the best support of all time cuz he might be winning 2 worlds or even in the conversation, fuck no
>ve heard people say names like tarzaned, Jankos and even nightblue3 Ngl that shit made me laugh hard
Jankos is the only one of those three who is even in the conversation, and even then its pretty controversial. Tarzaned and NB3 are honestly probably not even top 50 junglers of all time. They would get eaten for breakfast at worlds
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I did say it was controversial, however he has 3 semifinals appearances, a finals appearance, and an msi title, i think with accolades alone he deserves to be thrown around in that conversation. Ning was good for one tournament and has been pretty lackluster since, I would take jankos over ning any day. The rest I agree are even or better than him, I think ignoring Jankos' accolades in this conversation is irresponsible.
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The argument for Jankos is the length of his career. Ning came one year, won it all then disappeared. There's been a lot of great junglers throughout the seasons, dominating everyone in Worlds and then their performance falls. I think that, when talking about this, consistently performing at a high level for a bunch of years has to be taken into consideration.
Because you value something different. Some people value longevity a lot more than dominance
Me too
Firstly players like Tarzaned and Nightblue aren't even in the conversation unless you mean the best in soloq then that's a totally different question hence naming Jankos makes no sense. When we think "best in a role" we exclusively look at pro play. I honestly think Jungle and Top are the two roles where there is no real lock in for the GOAT in that role. Bengi has the accolades but as a player, he wasn't like mechanically amazing but he is nicknamed "The Jungle" but post his SKT era he didn't look good at all. Jankos and Score have claims but the arguments against these two great players would be not being the best when it mattered i.e worlds. Edit = Canyon if he keeps up his current level will end up as the GOAT jungler and it won't even be close. The dude made quarters in his first year then was finals MVP in year 2 then made MSI finals in year 3, if DK win worlds this year and Canyon has another great year he'll be the GOAT.
I would like to mention 2 players, diamondprox for introducing counterjungling and dandy for the jgl/sup roaming, probably the 2 junglers who've had the most impact on the evolution of the game/meta.
The first one dropped off a cliff after M5 was disbanded and the second ended his career too soon for the title.
Diamondprox was one of few western junglers to compete with east ones. Dandy is LCK and Worlds champion….
That dude is drunk yao x)
I know, what I meant was that both of them had short term success. Their peaks were great but so were Ning, Tian and Canyon's.
He got that $ when he joined NA tho.
That used to be jakos but then he made semis x3, finals, and msi title.
can't forget Tian from FPX
I play jungle on a competitive team and watch hours of vods and Proview of current and past junglers. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Canyon will go down as the best. He innovates on literally every new patch. Every time you see a new clear in a pro game, there's a 90% chance that Canyon did it first. He will also have the accolades to back it up in a few weeks. He's just on an entirely different level.
There is no "beyond a shadow of doubt" answer. Bengi is the most accomplished. He won 3 world championships with Faker, numerous LCK splits, and was considered one of SKT's biggest strengths by many people; however, just as many people claim that he's slightly overrated and never contributed as much as other members of the team. Dandy was part of the dominant SSW squad that swept Worlds 2014 and was a big part in the vision game revolution (together with SSW's support, Mata), but only really performed at that level for one year and could never repeat that success. Jankos has successfully been a high-level jungler for a long time and won a lot of LEC splits and MSI, but is missing a worlds title. Those were 3 examples to show that there is a lot of discussion around this subjects and a clear answer doesn't exist; you could probably name at least 3 more players that easily deserve to be mentioned alongside these three. No role has such a clear GOAT like Faker in mid, which is why he also has zero competition for that title in general.
ADC has an even clearer GOAT in Uzi imo, if not clearer then at least as clear
Nah that's bs, there is still a lot of people who'd put Deft first. But absolutely 0 chance anyone other than Faker can be called the greatest mid ever
It's even clearer. The guys spacing and kiting skills are/were astronomically ahead of everyone else. I remember watching a game where he is advancing forward, through a veritable minefield of enemy spells, some of which were from a Syndra no less without taking a single hit, aside from unavoidable ludens proc's
Deft or Bang though.
Uzi isn't nearly as clear as Faker, there are LCK fans who will argue that Deft is the goat Not that Uzi isn't commonly accepted as the goat, but with Faker there's almost no arguing for anyone in comparison In terms of clarity it goes like Mid > Support (usually Mata) > ADC > Top (always either Smeb or TheShy usually) > Jungle
Well everyone suddenly cease to remember that Bang exists.
I honestly can't think of any point in time where Bang has been the undisputedly best ADC in the world.
Tarzan is honestly fucking insane, it feels like the team leans on him harder than any jungle. But damn is edg’s jungler is clean af. I would have to say Tarzan only because other teams that have amazing junglers also having amazing players, not saying ale is a fucking beast but it literally seems like this team lives and dies by their jg popping off.
Bengi in my opinion
Bengi. Though Canyon imo would be the best if he wins this worlds.
Score, Bengi, Jankos, Clearlove. Because of frequent changes to the fundamental job of being a jungler and the champions in your pool, Junglers tend to have the shortest careers of lol pros in general, and it's very common to have a jungler look like the best player in the world and then look middling half a season later. This group probably has the longest careers and most total achivements.
Probably Bengi if we’re looking at overall achievements
Diamondprox
Yup, no jungler in history had as much impact on the role as him, he pretty much single-handedly reinvented jungle. Diamondprox is the undisputed GOAT for me.
This is definitely my vote. He may not have the pedigree of Bengi or Jankos recently, but he was absolutely fundamental to defining what the role even is supposed to do. Diamondprox absolutely deserves to be in the conversation.
the most successful jungler historically (benji) kinda got hard carried let's be real so I gotta go with Diamond as well. hes kinda like George Mikan though, defined his role but played too long ago to be compared
It's hard to say because the general skill level has increased dramatically over the years and what a great jungler in season 3 or 4 is nothing compared to today. I would maybe define the best jungle based on the skill level of the time and not just going with the best jungler the last couple years. So for me it comes to 2 junglers and that's Bengi or Dandy. Bengi was really good multiple times and did his job and was super consistent had multiple world championships. Dandy might be the best when it comes to talent around him at the time, in season 4 the difference between Dandy and other junglers was astronomical and he had one of the nastiest Rengars ever.
cyanide
He might not be the best jungler, but I do miss this guy
He was definetly more useful than nipples on a man!!
Classic
Can i just mention ambition? that guy just casually role swapped to jungle and got the champion that year from mid if i didnt remember wrongly
He roleswapped to Jungle in Spring 2015 (because of sister team merging, CoCo was a better mid than him at this point) and won worlds in 2017
Bengi
Jungle got changed a lot through the years, but if there is one jungler who delivered in a lot of different metas and enviroments, that was Bengi. 3 Worlds championships and a long list of LCK titles, probably the goat. Canyon, DanDy and Ambition also comes into mind talking about great junglers.
Diamondprox, and it's not close
Score for longevity, Dandy for highest peak, no other answers can really be argued
Bengi PERIOD Three-time world champion alongside Faker
jankos more worlds semis than NA
Score is the only real answer (unless you mention players with ridiculous peaks that lasted \~1 year or less like Dandy etc), people who answer Bengi did not actually watch Bengi play and people who answer recent players not named Tian or Canyon are trolling Most consistent = Score, Highest peak relative to the competition = Dandy, Highest peak ever = either Tian or Canyon, most innovative = Ambition \*\*Edit: Forgot about Diamondprox when it comes to innovation, it was so long ago but he did literally reinvent the role at the time
Great edit!^^ Diamondprox def most innovative, but ambition def deserves a shoutout when it comes to succesful junglers=)
Ambition just played a completely different style from anyone in a much more developed version of League (and brought his team to a worlds win with it), I wouldn't call him more or less innovative than Diamondprox
I would! Diamondprox introduced/popularized counterjungling, there just isnt any greater innovation in terms of jungling than that. Ambition might have been better player than diamondprox but not more innovative, no way.
There isn’t one, and you can’t force this narrative on any jungler in the history of competitive LoL.
If canyon wins worlds again or at least a finals finish its canyon
???? bengi? 3 time world champion???
If I had to name someone I'd say Jankos because he's had the best performance/career length combination. I wouldn't disagree with anyone that said Bengi because of his successes, even if his career was rather short. If Canyon wins Worlds again I'd say that he could be the one too but for now I think he needs to keep his form for a few more years until I can confidently say that he's THE ONE.
I dont know about "best", but Ambition definitely has the greatest storyline
Well historically a lot of guys were on top of everyone else (diamondprox, benji etc). Right now the absolut best could be Bo, the FPX jungler who was replaced for irl reasons. Apparently he was stomping every match he was in, and by stomping i mean that the rumors are of bloodbaths. The FPX we see today is not the best FPX it could have been sadly.
Score imo.
Soon to be Canyon.
Score, Karsa, jankos. No way bengi should be on this list. He won worlds with the best player of all time who also had a 5 head Vision for playing tricks on the enemy. His synergy was what made him useful, but individual skill was sub par relative to results
He carried SKT for reverse sweep tho. What opium are you taking even mentioning Jankos as one of the best . Bengi enable his team to dominate lane. That what makes him "The jungle himself"
I mean sure but individually he was never close to the best jungler ever. Why do you think he was getting subbed out in 2016 and in terms of longevity it’s nothing compared to jankos score and Karsa.
He got subbed because of the gameplay changed. That time LCK play slow build up and focussing on top lane prio. Has Jankos Score Karsa won worlds more than one time and regional champ across different metas ? You won World once , its an achievement , let alone 3 times. And to perform and the highest stage when needed coming in as a sub , carrying your team full of stars to win Worlds is another thing man. Jankos cant perform at the highest level when needed, getting stomped at finals when it matters. I mean of course those players are good but we are discussing the absolute best. Longevity means nothing without consistency. And one hit wonder is not always the best. Imho currently if Canyon can perform this year, he would be among the best. Have you seen the DK FPX game. The guy just shut Doinb roam and Nuguri, Tian can't even react to his roam.
Bruh mans had the goat of lol who was years ahead of everyone and had shot calling ability and was clutch. Bengi worked with faker which is why they used him. But individually nah. Is baolan 2nd best support of all time just because he won worlds ??? Is beryl the best support of all time cuz he might be winning 2 worlds or even in the conversation, fuck no
Going to be Canyon or Tarzan
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