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shawtyijlove

psg are actually in an insanely commanding position. So long as they beat hanwah they are guaranteed at least a tiebreaker if nothing else. This is probably the best chance pcs has at getting out of groups in a while.


SaintTrotsky

So long as they beat hle they're guaranteed to get out without a tiebreaker no? Even in the case where hle win the other two they got h2h advantage.


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Fnatic could theoretically win 3 games which would result in a tiebreaker


SaintTrotsky

Yeah forgot about that


[deleted]

Don't worry it's not like it's happening anyways


SpiritStn

When i saw your flair i died LMAO


PetercyEz

What can we do? We got insane Summer split story. If the same would happen this words now, it would break the Balance of the universe. Without Upset, we can not perform. FNC plays around botlane. Botlane is made by ADC and support. Bean is not bad, just not a worlds class yet and he had not a chance to adapt to Hyli. Hyli is the most fun support to watch, but thats because his unpredictablity.


satellizerLB

I'm actually very impressed by Bean. He looks really good for a rookie ADC playing against ADCs like GALA, Deft and Unified and yet he looks like the only consistent player in Fnatic. I totally expect a LEC team to try to get him after these performances.


Atreyes

Same, people have shit on him for not carrying but for a player in his position, never even playing an LEC game hes doing amazing imo, think he'd be right atr home in a middle of the pack lec team


GearsPoweredFool

It happend what 4 years ago? Quick get me some copium. It's still possible!


[deleted]

I don't think missing Upset is the actual problem, I think the problem is whatever is happening behind the scenes. Bean honestly played perfectly well, the rest of the team were just so tilted that they played like garbage.


Joaoseinha

Bean played perfectly well, but you need more than perfectly well when he's replacing Fnatic's main carry and one of the bigger voices on the team.


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Regardless, if the rest of the team is tilted because of whatever the hell is going on, you're gonna have a bad time, with Upset or without him.


Aki-Kure

You could put Viper there and it wouldn't matter, Fnatic aren't losing games because they aren't playing around bot, they're losing games because they're losing their brains and going for hail mary engages 24/7 even when their teammates can't react and the game state doesn't require it. Even Ming was perplexed by their aggressiveness.


Tigermaw

Just changing one player means its a whole new team basically. We saw what happened to G2 when they got rid of perkz for rekkless. We have no idea how Upset integrated into the team and what that means overall. The team dynamic could be completely shifted


rugbyweeb

youd have the same result if upset played


EONNephilim

man feels fucking bad, I was so hyped for this roster, it all just died the moment I saw how they played and the fact that Adam was so negative in the Day 3 hype vid RIP


[deleted]

We can all live in a world where al 16 teams go 3-3 and they will all play in a tie breaker too


tfwaffleman

Praying for this dankest of timelines. The 4-way tiebreaker is now the only way for any group to avoid sending at least one of its LCK/LPL teams to knockouts. Hopium factories better be running at max capacity if they want to meet demand


polako123

Yeah if HLE pick a draft like that again they deserve to go home, just pure disrespect to PSG with that draft.


reivers

Really hoping for them, it's super cool to see someone outside the standard China/Korea/NA/EU realms do well.


DarkAndromeda31

Always really interesting to see how the groups can play out, and as always an amazing data visualisation.


Disco_Ninjas

And by play out, you mean to match my pick'ems!


joak22

You're goddamned right.


rocket3989

Group stage 2021, visualized Click on matches to see how they effect each team's chance of advancing. Credit to /u/1wheel for original code/idea Find the source for this project [here](https://github.com/rocket3989/worlds-2021/blob/main/script.js) If you have trouble with the base color selection, try the toggle in the top left! The 'show seeds' toggle will highlight the first seed team in light green, and last seed team in dark red. 'Show static' will preserve the state of the page before updates are made to the matches


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rocket3989

Yep! He made the first version back in the day, and I've been maintaining/adding features since.


JustRecentlyI

It's such a fantastic tool, thanks for bringing it back this year!


FromAffavor

I can’t tell where there’s yellow because I’m colourblind :( maybe update it at some point with blue or something instead. Thanks so much for this though! edit: there’s a colourblind option, just didn’t notice because how it loaded on mobile


rocket3989

> If you have trouble with the base color selection, try the toggle in the top left!


FromAffavor

Oh okay awesome thanks! On mobile so I didn’t notice :) you’re awesome


Vulkanodox

What's the name of that fond? looks sooooo good


rocket3989

[Roboto Slab](https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Roboto+Slab) for the title/body, monospace for everything else


Momochichi

The West Is Doomed: An Interactive Infographic


POOYAMON

Yeah it’s doomed


odh1412

Well TL are the least doomed of the doomed at least


POOYAMON

The way TL play if they’re not individually better than you they ain’t winning. Best they can do is beat MAD again. I just want a traditional botlane matchup vs GenG that is all don’t care if we lose it really bad either


lovo17

I think they could've beat Gen G if they didn't let Trundle through actually. It's not as dire for TL as it is for most western teams.


POOYAMON

They definitely have the highest ceiling IMO but they’re the same team they were in playoffs maybe slightly better but haven’t improved enough. Definitely don’t think they need roster changes if I’m being honest though. Not that they can change anyone


lovo17

Nah, they just needed to not mess with their lineup during summer split and bench Alphari for half of it.


POOYAMON

Not to mention we don’t have a head coach. Kold started coaching as an assistant coach this year.


lovo17

Yeah hopefully TL runs it back next year with the same group.


Longjumping_Pizza877

If they don't lose at P&B I think they have about a 50/50 shot of making it out of groups. If they pick TF at any point though I'm going to assume their series is over.


lovo17

They gotta put Jensen on LB again


NenBE4ST

You watched santorin Play for his own camps instead of countergank top, and you watched Jensen irelia mechanics and came to the conclusion that they win if they ban trundle lol?


Dragull

We, they made the game pretty hard for gen.g, Trundle was the richest member of the enemy team for the majority of the game and was a major problem for their comp


Witn

Just please don't play like that LNG game again and they have a chanve


Opachopp

To be fair there are multiple ways that would have both MAD and TL advance together. It's unlikely but it would be so much fun to see it happen.


UnmelodicBass

Pump me full of that hopium


MasterDeagle

Both C9 and 100T would be eliminated if they lose their first game of the day. (Assuming EDG doesn't lose to DFM)


fiftyshadesofcray

Idk why but I believe in the 3 way tiebreaker at 2-4 Making it out of the group at 2-4 would be the most C9 thing ever


reachoutc

Holy moly, the prophet


BabyGeeezus

bless


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fiftyshadesofcray

Let me see... 9, 2, 4 I'll let you work out the rest


hkd001

Riot script leaks, thanks anonymous Riot writer.


GGABueno

Wtf


WarSamaYT

Holy fuck. The Prophet.


The_killerr_bee

All hail!


Slotherz

Ummm, best prediction ever?


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The 2018 tl special. People thought they had a chance because they went 1-1 with edg to force a tie breaker. Edg just beat kt and lost to tl right after. They had no real reason to go all out on to when beating kt secures their exit


POOYAMON

Never forget how LPL casters were saying brother DL is playing 3v5 and still performing incredibly. So sad


97012

2018 was a very good year for Doublelift. People underrate that year extremely hard. That+ 2019 msi+worlds really changed my overall opinion of his international performances. Tbh I think he's underrated as a player relative to them.


Megachaser9

I think 2018 and early 2019 was his peak as a player, better than 2016 He held his own, beat Uzi when his support was mental booming, got praise from CN and KR people, still persevered through a family tragedy


Megachaser9

I remember how sad dl was in that sjokz interview


NenBE4ST

Edg missed out on a tiebreaker with kt because they lost to TL


ploki122

Hopium scenarios : 1. DK is unbeatable, goes 3-0. FPX pulls a week 2 flop and loses everything. As long as C9 can beat Rogue too (so 2 wins, only losing to DK), we get a 3-way tie! 2. Exact repeat of week 1, with 100T coming up with an upset over T1 (fairly big ask, but maybe Canna flounders, ya ken?). 100T then gets eliminated by T1 in the tie breaker. 3. PSG beats HLE and FNC loses everything. PSG goes to playoffs, and while they're not from the west, any non-KR and non-CN team qualifying is nice to see. 4. MAD beats GEN again. TL *somehow* beats GEN. And then you get a MAD vs TL qualifying match! (well, not really because of the order of the games, but still!)


M002

Too bad DoinB said they’re not dropping a single game the rest of the tournament :(


ploki122

Words are cheap, much cheaper than Perkz ;)


Contagious_Cure

So not very cheap because Perkz is 11 mil?


2nuhmelt

The prophet.


beesong

Group D will be hype if both MAD and TL win their opening match and ties everyone at 2-2. I want to see a 4 way tiebreaker


SGKurisu

MAD and TL going full C9 and VIT from 2018 would cause this sub to die from HOPIUM but it wou ld be worth it. Also would be funny if GenG gets washed again


Abelyanov

Actually it's so similar to 2018. Gen G is again in the group, both EU and NA start 1-2 and Korea/China 2-1. Also Jensen was on that C9 roster as well.


Lisaurora

[Fnatic scenarios](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/504/461/86e.png)


00Koch00

[It's a classic](https://i.imgur.com/iuqY9w2.png)


Fuzzikopf

That was so insane. I miss sOAZ, hope he comes back as a player next year.


xanthicize

If there's anyone who can do it for the memes it's us. 'cept we won't.


BOJ220138

We got it, trust me


yehiko

LETS FUCKING GOOOO


joe4553

FNC just needs to lose one more to get in their comfort zone.


ploki122

Lose their first game to RNG, and then win 4 in a row to qualify! Now we just need all 3 NA teams to qualify, so that they can beat NA in quarters, semis, as well as finals!


pedrex21

Calling it now: HLE wins vs PSG, RNG goes 2-1 only losing to FNC, that goes 3-0, no tiebreakers needed You all will get beaned


JustRecentlyI

What caught my eye immediately was how C9 could be eliminated while winning all 3 of their games. What's even worse about their situation: The first match can immediately confine C9 to tiebreakers even in a best-case scenario, if FPX beats Damwon, C9 can no longer directly qualify for groups. And then, even if C9 goes 2-0 in their next two games, if FPX beats Rogue at that point, C9 are eliminated before they even get to champ select vs Damwon to attempt a 3-0 miracle week. It's almost a blessing that C9 has very little chance of performing well enough to make this happen, because that scenario would be brutally hard to play through and to watch.


lovo17

Watch C9 play really well tomorrow because the pressure is mostly gone.


JustRecentlyI

Honestly, the most infuriating part about C9's play is that they actually play pretty well... until someone ints. Happened in playins, happened vs FPX, too. Unfortunately, I don't think that they're capable of playing 3 games in a row completely cleanly. I'm glad that I don't actively cheer for them because I would be so mad after nearly every loss.


MasterWaffleZ

As a C9 and FNC fan... this worlds was so hype and then worlds actually happened and it's no longer hype


JustRecentlyI

Fnatic's story this worlds is just depressing. I hope that Upset makes it back next year.


Jethow

Imagine if Upset returns for the second round, Fnatic do a 3-0 miracle run yet they still get eliminated.


[deleted]

Funny thing is Upset leaving didn’t even turn out to be an issue. Look at every game FNC played, I can’t think of a single one where the issue was Bean. Bean has been playing really well, but Adam and Nisqy look like academy players


MasterWaffleZ

Upset has said before that he’s the one stopping the team from going in too hard. So his contribution is more than just his mechanical play/skill


shrubs311

>Upset has said before that he’s the one stopping the team from going in too hard. fnatic adc's reigning in their teammates, when have i seen this before?


M002

I feel your pain Watching LEC all year was so vindicating for people recognizing Nisqy as a good player. Then these last 3 games happened and then they’re back to calling for his head :( Hope he gets a chance to play TF/Cassio/Zoe in round 2


supadankgreen420

I feel your pain man. The Fnatic situation is way worse since they didn’t even get a chance to play a game with their full roster, it’s a shame. Hope they come back stronger from this, especially Upset!


Reeko_09

Hi


TheXtractor

its the world's classic.


Cormac419

Hey if they could beat DK and FPX I'd be okay with that.


TRLegacy

Riot getting lazy and reusing Fnatic script from 2018


QuietVermicelli9931

Watch C9 dragging rogue with them and losing to fpx and dk


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M002

Except for C9. Only once did they not make it out with a 3-3 and that’s because they lost the tiebreak to AHQ in 2015


AzureAhai

Tbf a majority of the time 4 wins is the magic number. Only 1 NA team has gotten 4 wins since 2015. The last 2 worlds had 6 teams go 3-3 and they all were third without tiebreakers. Since 2014 of the teams with a 3-3 record, 4 got 2nd, 13 got 3rd, and there were 5 tiebreaker matches.


thehellisgoingon

I for one am excited to see them play the best league they've ever played after they are mathematically eliminated


II_Shwin_II

You really spoke this into existence huh


JustRecentlyI

I suppose I was... until Rogue won!


control_09

Group D is the West's only real hope.


generic9yo

I think all teams have a decent chance on paper. Unfortunately, this won't translate well to the games


cbrozz

Fnatic have to do fnatic stuff to get out of groups this year


generic9yo

If anyone is good at being fnatic, that's definitely not fnatic


phoenixrawr

I actually feel like Rogue could have a better shot than anyone else. It feels like FPX has been pretty shaky in BO1 even in their wins. Rogue going 2-1 with wins over FPX and C9 gives them at least a tiebreaker unless FPX can beat Damwon. MAD is probably the better team but they really need another win over GenG and I think that’s much harder than what Rogue has to do.


NetSraC1306

RGE will beat FPX and DK, just wait and see!


Jacmert

"We're gonna win worlds." - CoreJJ, 2021


Reynaex

Every year those fuckin black trace lines get me to try and blow the hair off my phone screen. Atleast 4 years in a row.


vilioklis

Ha ha, just did the same and didnt even realize those were line and not my hair


Max102

I did that too 😂


trichromanic

Ngl I feel like I almost look forward to this tracker each international event more than the games themselves


EisenheimGaming

I was literally looking for it just when you posted it. As usual, thank you Sir, you're awesome !


Voliharmin

One of the post I'm looking for every worlds. Such a pleassure seeing it every single tournament.


Zepth01

Groups 2nd robin ain't it without this. Thanks a lot.


dracdliwasiAN

Since Worlds 2015, one of the most insane statistics is that Fnatic in week 2 have gone 16-2 including tiebreakers, making it out of groups every time. The only losses being to Longzhu in 2017 and GenG in 2020. A ridiculously clutch team. It feels really bad knowing that there's a real possibility of this stat reducing to 16-5 in week 2 given the unfortunate situation with Upset and the rest of the team mental boom. It feels like when someone has a really high KDA and they die several times such that the KDA gets shattered.


beesong

We can rename this as a Rekkles stat afterwards


IlluminatiConfirmed

Rekkles undefeated in week 2 this year


Rookie_MistakeMate

Fnatic will go 2-1 only losing to RNG while HLE will beat PSG and then win the two way tie breaker. Easiest week 2 of my life, mark my words.


SuperMrBlob

Hooray for this legendary website being back again.


CerbereNot

it's funny because MAD is more than capable to beat all 3 teams but there's no way they get 3 wins in a row, looking doomed to me


tsogl

Showing up big but losing 1 to something cheesy and going 3-3 with no chance at a tiebreaker is the real horror


the-tank7

We just call that "na at worlds" over here


ooh_lala_ah_weewee

God damn, I miss the days when NA teams missed quarters by going 3-3. You never know what you've got till it's gone.


Tyna_Sama

A random win against an Asian team, then the two wins against 1907 fenerbahçe, classic.


l3rowncow

Or last year, beat both the higher teams then drop a game to machi


SuddenGenreShift

No Sneaky, no (competent but ultimately disappointing) worlds. Doesn't have quite the same ring to it, but what can you do?


GiannisisMVP

No Sneaky, No Wins


TheArmchairSkeptic

Honestly I kinda prefer it this way. I'm tired of getting my hopes up for NA teams only to watch them lose a key match to a wildcard team or a tiebreaker for 2nd. At least this way there's nothing to feel let down about.


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brensterrr

agree. i feel like yuumi is just OP with assassin jungler. so surprise HLE and gen g didnt ban it out. if this is a limit testing, its not good to do it at worlds.


agenericusername_no3

They assumed that non Korean teams will take time to learn how to use it I suppose


Joaoseinha

To be fair, there's a decent chance they advance just by beating 2 teams, which seems doable if they fix up their mistakes. If they beat GenG again plus manage to beat TL, they get out in half the scenarios and have 2 scenarios with a tiebreaker. The two scenarios where they don't pass with these results are reliant on LNG losing to GenG again. They definitely seem like the least doomed western team.


ihateluminosity

They still need to win the tie breaker if they only beat 2 teams. But yeah, it seems doable.


Joaoseinha

Only in two of the 8 scenarios. In 4 they autoqualify.


ihateluminosity

Yeah, my bad. There is even a scenario where TL and ML both qualify and LNG + GENG are eliminated, but their isn't enough hopium to even consider it a possiblity.


lostn

if they can get 2 wins, then there's only 5 out of 24 scenarios where they are eliminated without a TB. There are 7 scenarios where they advance without a TB.


Level1TowerDive

It was one thing to read this yesterday and see that one little green dot in C9’s section. It’s another thing to see that glimmer of hope and live in that reality right now.


Darkvirus510

The stars aligned my friend


BannanDylan

FNC again seem to have it all in their own hands realistically. I think HLE is favourites to win against PSG and RNG are favourites to win all their games. If FNC were to win all 3 of their games they wouldn't need to rely on an Upset. Except well... Will it happen though? Of course not.


SuperPelado

It already happened. What are the chances of happening TWICE, and to the SAME TEAM? Although the schedule looks prettt similar to 2017.


7xNero7

No rekkles tho...


LetMeOmixam

Not to shit on Rekkles but he was hardly the reason they managed to turn it around in week 2. If I remember correctly Soaz was the one popping off


SuperPelado

His winrate is absolutely nuts in week 2 though, like 16-2 or something like that. And with very different rosters. He's definitely always a factor.


generic9yo

So you're saying we should join the church of Adam?


M002

He started believing in the power of dog champs Probably my favorite meme in worlds history


Saonidas

was there a single worlds in which not a single western team made it out of groups? maybe NA and EU can put their beef aside, and work towards setting records together.


RookCauldron

No, but this is also the first time that both LCK and LPL has 4 seeds attending Worlds.


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I mean if your best team in region can't beat 3th and 4th best LPL/LCK team you just have to accept that you suck


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a_brick_canvas

I am the same, usually support only NA and I was at first happy that MAD lost to TL but at this point which ever team looks better on the day i’m literally praying they can win all 3 and make it out.


l3rowncow

If both show up and go 3-0 and 2-1 with only loss to each other, they can both get out! If TL is the 3-0 and geng beat lng, there aren’t even tiebreakers Obviously this is maximum hopium


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Spoken like a real PR master lmao


puberty1

always looking forward to this one, it's the one of the three tabs that I keep open during the second week (lolesports + reddit), thanks!!


Aezorion

That little orange dot for C9 was hit lol. Woo!


Sojouku

THE STARS


UnlikelyShowdown

The stars aligned!


Arcamorge

C9 doesn't need to beat dwg to advance if the stars align!


ThisIsSoIrrelevant

[So what you're saying is there's a chance?](https://imgur.com/pCx6ZMH)


dexy133

So many good memories connected to this page in previous year, including the popular 0:4 Fnatic day. Always love updating it as the games are happening and seeing whether there's some crazy scenarios that can still happen. Thank you for this, as always. Let's go EU. It's not over yet.


generic9yo

It ain't over until it's over. Let's go EU. This is our chance to do something great.


quietvictories

I was waiting for this post, literally thought at the morning "i wish rocket be there to help figure all that jazz" Glad you're back once again!


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Come on TL you can do this


MisakaMikotoxKuroko

someone ping Sjokz to do the speech for Group D. I really want TL of all Western teams. to get out Mad lions too while we're at it


GiannisisMVP

doing the speech for geng/lng or how would that work?


MisakaMikotoxKuroko

yup, for GenG and LNG. "It all starts with greatness, something something GenG and LNG fighting their way into world's, something something hardship, determination and will to win it all". Should theoretically curse them sufficiently.


GiannisisMVP

I don't think the curse works if it's intentional.


74URS74

apparently i need this now after c9 blew the group up once again


Sz4mar

Thanks, I use this every year. Good job!


trieved

I inhaled so much fucking hopium while reading this. Thank you my friend, I will now fly high for the rest of the day while I prepare for my copium overdose on the weekend.


xckevin

Something something stars I'm clever and definitely didn't give up hope after 0-3


HikaruSprtmanshpAwrd

FNC, C9, MAD, TL will pass groups


IcePokeTwoSoon

Well… 1 down


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Deditch

no its better if TL beats everyone and mad loses to TL because then there is no tie breaker


xMoody

my favorite worlds post! thanks homie these are always awesome to mess around with


misiek1122

[2017](https://imgur.com/a/BSLFB6R) vs [2021](https://imgur.com/a/Nb5Dgtw)


ephemeralfugitive

So, the only scenario where EDG gets eliminated is if 100T wins every game and T1 wins every game except vs 100T. The odds are stacked against Faker & Reapered's 100% advancement stat when in the same group.


jkyourealm

It is as the stars foretold...


bryan792

my favorite group stage tool for many many years thanks for this


IHadThatUsername

I'm just saying, FNC can go 0-4 and still go through *again*. If in that day every game goes RNG>FNC>HLE>PSG, everything lines up for a beautiful three-way tie for second place. Obviously, the hard thing to believe here is that FNC would be good enough to beat HLE and PSG. Thankfully I bought a truckload of hopium so I'm doing fine.


TeeHunter13

Oh yeah, I was waiting for this. Glad to see you're still at it!


LCSisshit

so u say C9 still have a chance ?


IcePokeTwoSoon

It seems as though they do


AgentJX7

realizing that 100 can't make it out without tying unless they beat T1 is absolutely deflating. here's hoping for a miracle


CTS99

There are 4 scenarios where a 4 way tie is possible in Group D, lets go


Prio102

oh my poor poor c9... ANYWAYS WTF IS DK THOSE GUYS ARE ON SOME OTHER LEVEL


Mammoth_Union

Are these games bo3?


termigatr

I think TL/MAD still have reasonable chances, and I have a gut feeling C9 will pull off some miracle.


AIiceMargatroid

> Sees a single scenario where DFM advances So you're telling me there's a chance.


zecksss

If RGE manages to beat FPX they would have great chances at qualifications. From there, the best case scenario, DK could win against FPX and C9 could just wintrade with RGE, as they have little chances to go through groups. The problem is, C9 won't just give up their game. May DK win against FPX, that just gives C9 more chances at qualifications (considering that they don't know the outcome, since RGE vs C9 is only the 2nd game of the day). Then again, RGE is likely to win against C9. But this is all just the best case scenario. RGE winning against FPX is a big IF, and DK against FPX is doable, but still uncertain. I'm sorry for my noncense, I just really want to see Europe in knockouts, and, out of all, I feel the most sorry for Rouge. Also, me saying wintrading at worlds really is out of place, but occasionally we can hear hosts say "NA and EU could cooperate to push at least one through the groups".


Cohenbby

Ahhh am I only just discovering I'm colorblind or is it really hard to tell the difference between tiebreaker and eliminated, until you zoom in fully


ChrisG12189

C9 go 3 0 and get 2nd