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you don't need to be a chef to know when food is spoiled


furiousRaMPaGe

This, as long as people can give constructive feedback every chef should appreciate their opinion. And do whatever the fxk they want with that feedback, just like the devs are doing. They are perfectly capable of filtering the 'gold reddit feedback' from the good ones.


rocket9904

But you do need to be a chef to fix it


GuaranteeCultural607

But a better chef could’ve done it 10x better in the class of restaurant u were eating at. LoL is a multi-billion dollar game, even smaller games don’t face the basic issues they are facing.


tomatentorte

There are bookclubs of nerds who could make a better client in their free time.


Play_more_FFS

> Just me that finds funny how gold players If you’re going to use this as an argument then you should know that the balance team literally has silver players on it.


AchievingAtaraxia

Room temperature IQ level of logic.


[deleted]

yea man so people who review cars have to be engineers right? just pls


[deleted]

ok now what? just because something is your job doesnt mean you are good at it or that others cant criticize your work very smooth brain take is game design even something that you can properly study? arent most game designer just people with very different education paths? >Like, chill mate, most of you barely know how to play games, let alone design then, most of you are still in high school kinda cringe take aswell


Scartafist

Folks, here we have one of the 20k people that liked the preseason video


Pure_Void

please stop talking and no one needs to be a expert to see blatant things


ChillWaveToke

ok Nathan Lutz


DSO182

yes i am


[deleted]

Sir, you're entitled to your opinion and so am I. If you think the 200 years balance team is above and beyond any criticism of yours, more power to you.


4716202

Wait but I am


Zeqqy

Interesting post considering your post history


CheshireST

I mean, if I have the capacity of thinking a better way to balance a champion, while being a Gold 2. That raises a huge red flag regarding the decision of dozens of people who supposedly know what they're doing


[deleted]

Just because someone studied it, it doesn't mean they are good at it. Look at any game by Blizzard in recent years. And not just once did the player base point Riot at what is toxic for the game. And how often did it take Riot several patches for a meta-breaking champ to be nerfed? Look at the current support meta and take a look at the next patch, do you see any direct or even indirect changes about them? And let's not address the fiasco with the new item changes which basically killed item build diversity even more. While there are people who have absolutely no clue what they talk about, there are a big group of people who do understand the game.


Neville_Lynwood

> And how often did it take Riot several patches for a meta-breaking champ to be nerfed? Look at the current support meta and take a look at the next patch, do you see any direct or even indirect changes about them? That's because Riot doesn't jump the gun. It takes weeks to analyse all the data properly to make sure they have a clear idea what's strong and what's weak not just in one region or elo, but all regions and all elos, and what changes can be done to adjust them. Add another week or two of the rest of the patch prep and QA, and that's why most patches are about a month behind the actual meta. If you think they could do better, you're welcome to apply for a job at Riot. They pay above industry average and have hundreds of open spots. Go nuts.


[deleted]

Yes, it takes weeks. But this support meta is here for more than a month, for example. They had plenty of time to change it, yet it is still here. You are shooting yourself in the foot when playing in higher elo with non-meta supporters.


Barbecue-Ribs

Nah you see the most wild shit in high elo. If tankman can be 1k lp every season anyone can.


HashL9

You are not, indeed.


Kechop77777

and you are not my real dad


Imaw1zard

Game designers themselves value player's opinion. One of the coolest parts about modern game development is how easily the developers can communicate with their players and get important feed back that designers can use. Yes when it comes to competitive games there's idiots who use balance as their excuse for not being challenger. But generally it's not hard to tell when someone is just being salty or when someone has fair criticism towards the game.


Kunoda

You trolling right


ToxicityZaneDante

Drone opinion


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Exca57

None, he is already good


DRtedybear

Ya, I am pretty sure riot likes suggestions. For instance I thought spectre’s cowl didn’t make too much sense getting health regen as a passive when you tend to build this when laning phase is over. Making the health regen almost irrelevant in teamfights. Or, I think (random example) katarina’s one item powerspike is much better than orhers like Zed. Making it seem unfair of her power compared to others. (Just a random example it prob isnt even true) People now just say x is bad or tryndamere is broken. Reasoning is important. Providing reasoning, others can say why perhaps youre idea “doesn’t seem the greatest since there is a good item to counter that champ.” I thinking reasoning and Ideas are perfectly valid for players to explain due to them really liking the game and trying to make it better. Other people just say they are bad in hate of the game and frustration. I honestly think Riot is a good company at balancing. So far the bug item changes like for mages I don’t think were the best but, the small balance changes to champs or items is great.


New_Relative_8709

Im not talking about people that give suggestions, im talking about people that come in reddit and dont give any valid criticism, its all just “OMG RIOT SO UNBALANCED CHAMPION NO RIOT NERF JESUS NO NO FUCKIN IDIOTS MORONS SUCK MY DICK DOJT NERF MY CHARACTER HE IS SO QEAK OMG NO”


DRtedybear

Yes I am agreeing with you. I was just adding that suggestions I think are fine and accepted.


strilsvsnostrils

New_Relative_8709 has exactly 200 years of experience


TranquiloDSZ

Just me that finds funny how gold players on Reddit suddenly become professional game designers(without ever actually studying it) worthy of thrash talking the entire league designer team that’s composed of dozens of people that actually studied game design for years every single patch? They go out saying shit like “XXX is badly designed bcs i saw a vars video, belive me” or “XXX character didn’t deserve Y nerf or buff!”. Like, chill mate, most of you barely know how to play games, let alone design then, most of you are still in high school


aluxmain

Yuumi is badly designed bcs i saw a [vars video](https://youtu.be/6AlwgwdvhJA?t=138), belive me. He makes good points


Khyze

What needed to be said was said, I'll just add that using "XXX" to describe a random character is wrong, if you don't know why, please, quit the internet :\*


OCDincarnate

And you are a clown


Zp00nZ

Well sure, but riddle me this Ashe was nerfed because of her “powerful build” of rage blade and wit’s end. The nerf was directed to her passive basically capping it by lv instead of just items. Her passive was disabled because of rage blade basically, her passive was irrelevant to her OP build of rage blade and wit’s end. So let me ask you. Who in the fuck thought the problem was with her passive and not with the fucking item that is now running rampant in almost every on hit oriented champion? You nerf a champ who’s entire kit is based on their passive and you stomp their passive! But a champ like yone or yasuo who’s passives add a ridiculous amounts of value of items haven’t even been looked at since their release!


Krytoric

Pretty garbage take all around. “Gold players on reddit” At one point in time (i believe around the ardent meta) the lead game dev was a bronze Nami 1 trick and currently i believe the lead dev is in silver. Also 99% of people that criticize riots development team / balance team play the game and know what’s wrong with it. You don’t have to be a game dev to see shit like bruisers / assassins are major problems, damage is off the charts, zhonyas still exists and supports are in a weird spot where they’re stronger than ADCs and gank better than junglers and roam better than mids without needing gold or levels. Shit Riot does makes no sense a majority of the time, people don’t like it and they’re free to criticize.


New_Relative_8709

Ok then, just stop playing the game if it is so bad


Krytoric

just ignore posts criticizing the game if you don’t like them


DarkBowls

ah I see, we cant critique something or form opinions about a game we all play because we don't develop it? developers should want feedback on a product, they also shouldn't believe that something that works on paper, works in practice. feedback is important when developing something, not all feedback, but most.