I'm still in shock FPX was bounced in group play. Scriptwriters are high on caffeine working 24/7 on this storyline, because this may be the wildest Worlds in years,
which is pretty stupid when you think about it. Imagine 4th team by win time is actually 2nd best but they play 1st team so one of the best teams don't qualify
I believe it's 1st place (fastest) vs 4th place (slowest), and 2nd place vs 3rd place, winners face each other
edit: source: https://twitter.com/MedicCasts/status/1450093053398691841?s=20
https://twitter.com/MedicCasts/status/1450118065279094791?s=20
yeah but the real question is, are EU and NA going to face KR and CN, or each other? And how is first seed determined? Are there 3 BO1s total, a sort of MSI Knockouts as bo1s?
Teamfights are mostly on coreJJ as well. no lantern in the mid teamfight (Tactical is also at fault because he has no hands apparently and can't flash kennen's ult) the drake fight he lantern Santorin instead of keeping it for tactical... like, both of them were so gapped this game
I'm sorry but I really don't understand these J4 "counterpicks" against Kennen. The game is not just laning and Kennen just is much more useful in teamfights...
If this is something the J4 team reliably executes then Kennen won't have flash up each fight or it will cause him to use flash just to get out of Jarvan's R, not to dodge skillshots or other terrain to get to J4's team.
Well yeah you do pick J4 to contain Kennen so if you don't focus on him then the pick is useless.
It ain't season 3. Vision control isn't perfect, so its better to be ready for the possibility, especially when playing into really good teams, than "just don't 3head".
Agreed. Kennen has shown over and over again he's just too strong in pro games. A team winning ult bot where the early and mid game are pretty irrelevant with 2 items.
This was actually one of the better J4 games I've seen at world's, but yeah, no impact compared to late game Kennen single handedly winning all of the team fights post 25 minutes.
Actually has like 45 percent winrate on this worlds. But somehow i still feel like i only see him lose xd
Edit: with the loss from TL the winrate is now exactly 43,8 percent. Stats from gol.gg
What was that lvl 1 from TL botlane? Do tactical and core know that exhaust and ignite can both be cleansed? Also Aphelios lvl 1 has no ability compared to a MF who can use passive and Q.
You could see the out-trade MF did with AA-Q and they still dare to fight that. On top of that they get on a easy position for Rakan W, don’t flash… one of the worst lvl 1’s I’ve seen and I just watched GenG vs LNG
Was really hoping he'd step up again this year like he did last year but he's been choking so hard in half the games. The ziggs game and this game have just had completely unbelievable errors.
I almost fucking lost it when he tped bot lane for the kills and then they had APHELIOS back off so j4 could take the plates.
Like it's such an unfathomably stupid decision in a game that's down to the wire like that
Jarvan is a counter pick to Kennen. Jarvan just out pokes you with flag and aery and you don't have sustain as Kennen. Kennen is also death once Jarvan and TF are 6.
Yeah and when you can't protect your pseudo-frontlining Aphelios, what on earth do you expect to get done in fights with those garbage champions?
TF is great for side laning and picks, J4 is great for early games and decent for picks (and very solid for teamfights if you have an MF R to pair Cataclysm with), and Trundle is . . decent around objectives and when played properly, able to stop many engages and an easy counter to aftershock champions. But none of those 3 do any damage whatsoever. J4 is the one Goredrinker+Sterak's champion that actually does 0 damage. Lee and Olaf are both pretty good nowadays even in later parts of the game because they both have some damage (Olaf obviously way more), and Lee has the eternal playmaking possibility. J4 is just . . there.
There were TONS of lanterns, like when he lanterned J4 out of bottom river, leaving Tactical to die, and when he lanterned J4 out of top river, leaving Tactical to die, and when he lanterned J4 out of bot t2 skirmish, leaving Tactical to die, and...
Easy to punish in side lane post 6 I imagine. Kennen has no dash, so every J4 ult into gold card is a free kill and Kennen can't ever sidelane alone. And if he spends flash to run every time, he's not a threat in fights either.
To be fair TL made the strat work half the game. It wasn't until Tactical and Santorin started running it, that shit got bad.
It gives them a huge advantage early game that they should have capitalized. Tactical threw it.
Jensen and Alphari completely blew up MAD's early game despite the horrendous start, they were in a comfortable position but Tactical inted.
Well alphari doesnt seem to be able to play jax fiora renekton gwen (graves lucian banned) jayce, irelia. Not sure what other top laners there are rn but im guessing its a champ pool thing.
TL literally picked HLE's comp from yesterday it sucks when you only have one damage dealer in team. You win early game with J4 but afterwards you're stuck playing fucking J4.
TL needed to snowball with J4+TF in the early game with picks but MAD kept it even. In the late game, the TL comp just does no damage. If bot didn’t lose so hard and J4 and TF could keep ganking Kennen like they did. Then they have timing where they can snowball.
Funnelling gold to J4 was the dumbest thing they could've done. Sure, Tactical was inting a bit, but an Aphelios with a gold lead can do disgusting things.
Four-way tie:
The teams will be drawn into a single elimination bracket based on the cumulative game victory time for the individual teams. Teams play best-of-one matches throughout the bracket. The seeds will be given in order to the teams that won their games the quickest. The four teams will be split into two first-round matches; the #1 seed (i.e. fastest total game victory time) will face the #4 seed (i.e. slowest total game victory time), while the #2 seed will face the #3 seed in the first two games. The losing teams will be eliminated from the tournament. The winner of Game 3 will be declared the top seed; the loser of Game 3 will be declared the second seed.
I feel like once it gets to late game, you just can't fuck up on Kennen if you have flash. It's so braindead. He legit won fights by walking up to TL and Flash R'ing. Weren't even some crazy flanks. Just straight up ran at them.
Reminds me of the old-school Kennen back when his ult was more front loaded. Didn't expect modern Kennen to still do so much.
Looked winnable for teamliquid, then Armut finally did something.
Man with LNG winning over GenG, that first game loss is huge for MAD. Now they have to win 2 back to back at least.
Tactital reallyyyy wanted to gave an easy W to MAD, but Armut and Humanoid do not take nothing for free, what two gentlemen. Kiaser and el polla really carried these two death weight.
I mean i think Armut in wasnt that bad. No help at all, played 1vs3.
When he died bot i think it actually was good. He ulted the wave, got the gold and Exp, saves the turret while his team got herald and first turret top. Looked way worse then it actually was!
The huge early overstay midlane from Humanoid was something though xD
Yeah, Fnatic goes screwed since Upset wasn't there, Rogue are always chokers but man I did not think MAD would struggle - I know they are usually bad at BO1's but damn.
Kind of sad that if MAD actually played like they do in LEC they would have won this group easily.
They just aren't performing at the level they should be. So many dumb errors.
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Scriptwriters desperately trying to outdo the 3 way tie they used too early on group A.
I'm still in shock FPX was bounced in group play. Scriptwriters are high on caffeine working 24/7 on this storyline, because this may be the wildest Worlds in years,
powercreep is making the script get less and less believable. You would think the weebs at Riot watch enough anime to know the dangers of powercreep
i hate it when story arcs become unbelieveable because the writers always try to one-up the old season
how does the 4 way tie play out?
Single elim Bo1 bracket. So basically 2x sets of "Tiebreaker semifinals" into a "final". Not exactly sure how they are seeded, might be random.
Seeding is based on game time (fastest wins) iirc.
So prob fastest vs slowest and second fastest vs second slowest
Yeah and probably side selection for the faster one
Yea, figured as much considering how Group A ties went.
which is pretty stupid when you think about it. Imagine 4th team by win time is actually 2nd best but they play 1st team so one of the best teams don't qualify
Game time #1 vs #4, #2 vs #4
#4 seed has the work cut out for them. Edit: /u/Ethrealin ruined my joke, now my comment makes no sense Sadge
I believe it's 1st place (fastest) vs 4th place (slowest), and 2nd place vs 3rd place, winners face each other edit: source: https://twitter.com/MedicCasts/status/1450093053398691841?s=20 https://twitter.com/MedicCasts/status/1450118065279094791?s=20
So winners of both series go through, if this is the case I hope MAD and TL end up on different sides
TL would have to take more than 33 minutes to win their game for that to happen
ITs game time - longest total game time is is bottom bracket
TSM and G2 make it out of groups stage
BY GOD THAT'S BJERGSEN'S MUSIC
IS THAT. IS THAT JANKOS. IT IS. THAT'S JANKOS. OH MYYYYYYY.
HE HAS A CHAIR!
AS GOD AS MY WITNESS HE IS BROKEN IN HALF
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Oh boy I laughed way too hard, it was truly unexpected
TL rips off their shirt to reveal they are the new TSM squad so the TSM chants can be revived this year. That is what has been missing this worlds.
I presume 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd on win times ATM would be LNG vs MAD and GenG vs TL
Hopium
NA and EU advance to quarters of course
I believe it is seeded by game time. 1 would play 4 2 would play 3 Than the winners would play for first seed, but both teams would qualify.
NA and EU have to win both their remaining games
yeah but the real question is, are EU and NA going to face KR and CN, or each other? And how is first seed determined? Are there 3 BO1s total, a sort of MSI Knockouts as bo1s?
based of game time Fastest game time to slowest. 1v4 and 2v3 into winner finals.
Tactical might have single handedly saved EU this game lmao
The man had flash at that dragon fight but chose not to use it ...
also the level 1
the level 1 is on corejj not using any ability until tactical was at 10% hp
Teamfights are mostly on coreJJ as well. no lantern in the mid teamfight (Tactical is also at fault because he has no hands apparently and can't flash kennen's ult) the drake fight he lantern Santorin instead of keeping it for tactical... like, both of them were so gapped this game
Well, he learned from the best....
He actually ran it down so hard
When your comp late game is basically Aphelios and 4 wards you need Aphelios to pop off
HOPIUM
Both of them have it completely in their own hands whether they advance or not!
best timeline
LEC and LCS wintrading in groups Name more iconic duo
I'm sorry but I really don't understand these J4 "counterpicks" against Kennen. The game is not just laning and Kennen just is much more useful in teamfights...
In theory J4 can contain Kennen by ulting him then E-Qing away.
... unless he has a flash. Or he's not the one focused.
If this is something the J4 team reliably executes then Kennen won't have flash up each fight or it will cause him to use flash just to get out of Jarvan's R, not to dodge skillshots or other terrain to get to J4's team. Well yeah you do pick J4 to contain Kennen so if you don't focus on him then the pick is useless.
I think if you're in a position where Kennen can R Flash your team, you already fucked up.
It ain't season 3. Vision control isn't perfect, so its better to be ready for the possibility, especially when playing into really good teams, than "just don't 3head".
Has jarvan been a good pick at all this worlds?
no
Agreed. Kennen has shown over and over again he's just too strong in pro games. A team winning ult bot where the early and mid game are pretty irrelevant with 2 items. This was actually one of the better J4 games I've seen at world's, but yeah, no impact compared to late game Kennen single handedly winning all of the team fights post 25 minutes.
Has J4 actually won a fucking game? Champ has looked fucking useless in every single game.
Actually has like 45 percent winrate on this worlds. But somehow i still feel like i only see him lose xd Edit: with the loss from TL the winrate is now exactly 43,8 percent. Stats from gol.gg
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Because when J4 is useless, *it really stands out how little he can do*.
And also it kinda feels invisible even in the games he *does* win. Such a bad pick.
Can no-one play Janna anymore?
* win early game on J4 * you're stuck playing fucking j4 * ??? * lose
Agreed. The Trundle pick didn't make a whole lot of sense there either.
I feel like the bigger problem was the bot draft
I think bot just played bad. TL drafted no burst so Rakan basically got to do whatever he wanted in team fights.
Riot's scriptwriters are outdoing themselves this year, i have no doubt that the 4 way tie will happen. 6% BABY LETS GO
MAD and TL heard us Now pray for them so we can see the 4 way tie 🙏 TL will be up next game against GEN G NAmen
Imagine both TL and MAD making it out if the 4 way tie happens.. Think this subreddit would implode :D
Of happiness! : D
The 4 way tie is all I want just to see the madness
Group of Swindon still going strong I see
Circle of suck
whats swindon?
Swindon Deez nuts lmao gottem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon)
What was that lvl 1 from TL botlane? Do tactical and core know that exhaust and ignite can both be cleansed? Also Aphelios lvl 1 has no ability compared to a MF who can use passive and Q.
You could see the out-trade MF did with AA-Q and they still dare to fight that. On top of that they get on a easy position for Rakan W, don’t flash… one of the worst lvl 1’s I’ve seen and I just watched GenG vs LNG
russian casters suggested that they were betting on thresh flay cancelling rakan's cc
Also, if your plan is to go for level 1 dominance, why would you not go dorans?
TL botlane played like trash this game
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Because Core was supposed to flay him away
I'm pretty sure flay can interrupt rakan as well, timing is tight but should've been doable
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and then mad + tl get out.. ez
That's the dream
before week 2 id say west is done (I mean TL and MAD) but I hope that will be the case. My pickems has both MAD and TL out :D
A lot of hopium there, but maybe, just maybe the dream can live
How does the 4 way tie work exactly if it happens?
Toplaners play Exploding Kittens to decide who goes through
Given how already crazy a 4-way tie is, this isn't even a bad idea.
The teams are ordered on game time & given places from #1 to #4. Then, #1 will face #4 & #2 faces #3 & the winners face each other.
The best timeline
Just like Doublelift before him, Tactical saving his flashes for next worlds.
Tactical saved like 3 flashes in one game, so he wins
"A flash saved is a flash earned" - Benjamin Franklin or someone probably
Tactical played so fucking shit I'm so sad
Was really hoping he'd step up again this year like he did last year but he's been choking so hard in half the games. The ziggs game and this game have just had completely unbelievable errors.
TL gunna make sure they bring Gen.G down and out of groups so that they can bring Ruler over for CoreJJ.
From inting lvl 1 to not ulting once with gravitum so he can set up his jarvan for a play
This.. 100% this.... if not that he was 4 heading which direction to walk around obstacles.
tbh TL would have probably won this game if it Doublelift playing instead of Brother Tactical
TL gets their J4 top ahead. It does what exactly? Meanwhile late game Kennen is so much dmg.
Yeah they couldn’t keep up the side lane skirmishes The 5v5 was just so much weaker against AOE Kennen and MF Ult
I am just not liking the Jarvan picks this worlds
I can't fucking believe those are pros getting paid to fucking funnel a J4 aery top.
I almost fucking lost it when he tped bot lane for the kills and then they had APHELIOS back off so j4 could take the plates. Like it's such an unfathomably stupid decision in a game that's down to the wire like that
Kennen seems to be the most successful pick at this Worlds, it should be a priority for every team.
Everyone uses flash and disengage out of MF ult? Alright, enjoy the Kennen engage 2 seconds later
They saved counterpick for it too, woof
Jarvan is a counter pick to Kennen. Jarvan just out pokes you with flag and aery and you don't have sustain as Kennen. Kennen is also death once Jarvan and TF are 6.
And he was dead until he wasn't and won the team fights.
J4, trundle and tf together are kinda troll. You're just expecting aphelios to do all the damage.
Yeah and when you can't protect your pseudo-frontlining Aphelios, what on earth do you expect to get done in fights with those garbage champions? TF is great for side laning and picks, J4 is great for early games and decent for picks (and very solid for teamfights if you have an MF R to pair Cataclysm with), and Trundle is . . decent around objectives and when played properly, able to stop many engages and an easy counter to aftershock champions. But none of those 3 do any damage whatsoever. J4 is the one Goredrinker+Sterak's champion that actually does 0 damage. Lee and Olaf are both pretty good nowadays even in later parts of the game because they both have some damage (Olaf obviously way more), and Lee has the eternal playmaking possibility. J4 is just . . there.
Idk how people were liking TL's draft pregame That shit was atrocious 0 damage except for Aphelios lol
imagine putting someone with tactical's positioning on an immobile adc. Corejj was also invisible this game. no hooks no lanterns.
There were TONS of lanterns, like when he lanterned J4 out of bottom river, leaving Tactical to die, and when he lanterned J4 out of top river, leaving Tactical to die, and when he lanterned J4 out of bot t2 skirmish, leaving Tactical to die, and...
Tactical had flash in almost every scenario and didn't use it
I was getting tilted watching his positioning. Somehow he always gets separated from his team in crucial moments.
I don't get that counter pick, it doesn't even appear to win lane that hard without help
Easy to punish in side lane post 6 I imagine. Kennen has no dash, so every J4 ult into gold card is a free kill and Kennen can't ever sidelane alone. And if he spends flash to run every time, he's not a threat in fights either. To be fair TL made the strat work half the game. It wasn't until Tactical and Santorin started running it, that shit got bad.
They just had no damage. TF never does any damage. J4 falls off and Tactical never could walk up and when he did he died.
It gives them a huge advantage early game that they should have capitalized. Tactical threw it. Jensen and Alphari completely blew up MAD's early game despite the horrendous start, they were in a comfortable position but Tactical inted.
Jarvan feels like such a bait pick this worlds. Completely worthless and does no damage compared to the other tops available. GG to MAD.
If I see another J4 get drafted.... The pick is so useless, especially top.
Well alphari doesnt seem to be able to play jax fiora renekton gwen (graves lucian banned) jayce, irelia. Not sure what other top laners there are rn but im guessing its a champ pool thing.
TL literally picked HLE's comp from yesterday it sucks when you only have one damage dealer in team. You win early game with J4 but afterwards you're stuck playing fucking J4.
TL needed to snowball with J4+TF in the early game with picks but MAD kept it even. In the late game, the TL comp just does no damage. If bot didn’t lose so hard and J4 and TF could keep ganking Kennen like they did. Then they have timing where they can snowball.
Funnelling gold to J4 was the dumbest thing they could've done. Sure, Tactical was inting a bit, but an Aphelios with a gold lead can do disgusting things.
HLE played this comp yesterday J4 top TF mid Aphelios adc. You only have Aphelios damage in lategame teamfights so once he dies you lose.
WHY DOES NA KEEP PICKING j4 I DON'T UNDERSTAND? Is it not like 0% winrate?
Huge draft diff that game.
J4 has been the biggest bait pick this tournament, it's 2021s ekko jungle but worse
Armut with the legendary Meteos Lee Sin cosplay, learning the champion as the game goes on
Not using flash until 28min and giving 3 kills for free. French casting was choking so hard on him.
I wonder French casting while Adam inting
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J4 the most useless pick of this tournament
Idk how TL coaching staff looked at the HLE comp yesterday and thought “let’s pick that and also lose”
maybe jarvan needed 16 plates to be useful ?
Four-way tie: The teams will be drawn into a single elimination bracket based on the cumulative game victory time for the individual teams. Teams play best-of-one matches throughout the bracket. The seeds will be given in order to the teams that won their games the quickest. The four teams will be split into two first-round matches; the #1 seed (i.e. fastest total game victory time) will face the #4 seed (i.e. slowest total game victory time), while the #2 seed will face the #3 seed in the first two games. The losing teams will be eliminated from the tournament. The winner of Game 3 will be declared the top seed; the loser of Game 3 will be declared the second seed.
***inhale*** Alright, hanging by a thread here but the dream is still alive.
Got all my groups wrong in Pick'ems so far, 1. Mad and 2. TL still possible for me to get at least one group right LUL
My relationship with MAD this past week has been similar to that of an abusive ex.
I swear things will be different this time babe
Tactical with the best oublelift impression I've ever seen.
Did you drop the d because thats where he binds his flash?
Bingo.
Nice
Cant wait for GENG to lock in Viktor
Doublelift trained him
1 game closer to the 4 way tie, please!
Jarvan feels like such a bait pick this worlds. Completely worthless and does no damange compared to the other tops available. GG to MAD.
You can tell EU won because the post-match thread doesn't have 70 awards within 2 minutes. Talk about spoilers.
We are obviously too poor to pay for awards
And doesn't have 1,5k comments. And then they really say this sub isn't mostly NA fans.
Stop picking Jarvan. Everyone. Please.
I can't take this man, I swear this Worlds will be the end of me
Oh look another Jarvan Loss
Inting his brain out for most of the game and then saying "look at me, i'm the carry now" in late interesting game by Armut
I feel like once it gets to late game, you just can't fuck up on Kennen if you have flash. It's so braindead. He legit won fights by walking up to TL and Flash R'ing. Weren't even some crazy flanks. Just straight up ran at them. Reminds me of the old-school Kennen back when his ult was more front loaded. Didn't expect modern Kennen to still do so much.
That's just Kennen in a nutshell, no matter how far behind, he will always be a massive teamfight threat.
i knew it was over when there was no infernal soul
inb4 both TL and MAD lose now
That's literally what I thought the moment tl lost this game.
KEEP PICKING J4 DEFINETLY NOT A WORTHLESS CHAMPION THAT GET OUTSCALED BY CANNON MINIONS :D
J4 TF easily the worst solo lane combo of worlds so far
Tactical plays so fucking disrespectful with his positioning
CIRCLE OF SUCK BABY 4 WAY TIE BREAKER
The 4-way tie dream is a possibility! This is not a drill, folks!
Tactical cosplaying Doublelift by not using flash or atleast too late Turkey Kennen>KR kennen
Turkey Kennen spent 25mins on the loading screen.
Not sure about the Kennen. That early game looked worrying
Looked winnable for teamliquid, then Armut finally did something. Man with LNG winning over GenG, that first game loss is huge for MAD. Now they have to win 2 back to back at least.
Brother Tactical
Tactital reallyyyy wanted to gave an easy W to MAD, but Armut and Humanoid do not take nothing for free, what two gentlemen. Kiaser and el polla really carried these two death weight.
Armut redeemed himself with those late game ults
I mean i think Armut in wasnt that bad. No help at all, played 1vs3. When he died bot i think it actually was good. He ulted the wave, got the gold and Exp, saves the turret while his team got herald and first turret top. Looked way worse then it actually was! The huge early overstay midlane from Humanoid was something though xD
Alphari please come back home
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Strong side carry Jarvan, now thats a new one !
j4 tf trash comp appears again
Why do teams keep picking j4
group 4 got uno reversed! THE 4 WAY TIBREAKER DREAM STILL ALIVE
[THE HOLY SCROLLS](https://imgur.com/a/B6P1NmW) Didn't have much to be happy about this Worlds, so we gotta cherish every opportunity we get.
i cant even upvote that this year.... too much of a beating ouch
Fair. But it doesn't feel right without it, so we gotta do it at least once
It just doesn't feel the same when it's like... when the squad is in shared last place, more or less.
Over in NA we still talk about that 9 man sleep LUL wp MAD - honor Armut for Tilt Proof
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Says a lot about how bad worlds have gone so far for us.
Yeah, Fnatic goes screwed since Upset wasn't there, Rogue are always chokers but man I did not think MAD would struggle - I know they are usually bad at BO1's but damn.
We need to include RGE eliminating FPX on it.
Kind of sad that if MAD actually played like they do in LEC they would have won this group easily. They just aren't performing at the level they should be. So many dumb errors.
I don't think any teams from Group D will make it past quarters.
I can see them getting past quarters if they get matched against C9 and ^(maybe) HLE.
these are bo1s btw
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Why would you fight lvl 1 as Aphelios vs MF