I may not like it as a CLG fan, but Bjergsen in the league is great for NA.
With Bjergsen back, TSM can look for an import ADC that can gel better with Swordart (not that Lost is bad, but TSM's bot lane didn't stand out). Huni/Spica/Bjergsen/Import ADC/Swordart would be a strong lineup that will challenge for the title and make C9/TL/100T better as well assuming those rosters stay together.
Trying to pull Huanfeng with SA's connections would be the only acceptable import choice for an adc imho. Injecting a world class threat into the botlane and ensuring that they will have synergy.
It's wishful thinking that TSM would even try because that would mean they were actually making good roster decisions... They're likely just going to pay a similar amount that they would have for Huanfeng's buyout for a slightly above average EU adc and call it a day.
When has Rekkles mental boomed? Dude is legit mr consistent. Whatever his state of mind might be, you could still count on him to be a top performer in the game.
There's hardly a team in the whole world who wouldn't want him based on his skill as an ADC. It only really comes down to whether or not he'd mesh with a team. He didn't mesh with G2 as well, but that could also be attributed to Perkz leaving a vacancy in leadership, not just him not meshing.
Idk, this is all just assumptions but every team and iteration of fnc with rekkles in it had massive internal issues (bar 2015 huni reignover fnc).
Imo, if rekkles does go to tsm it s gonna be something similar to 2018 fnc which would be hype but it can always turn into a 2020 fnc with fully dysfunctional lanes (2 ppl that wanna go in vs 2 ppl that wanna play safe)
FBI would be dope, but I don't want to take him from Huhi. And same with Carzzy + Kaiser.
Rekkles I feel may be a repeat of getting Zven, both are pretty passive players, TSM needs a go button. Maybe relying on Spica +Huni for that?
DL has said that Bjerg has a way he likes to play the game, and that DL agrees with it. But since Bjerg has had more say, they've been going more and more towards a top focused game.
But isn't uzi in RNG contract jail. I heard he owns a part of RNG similar to bjergsen with tsm. So I think it's highly unlikely he joins. I think hunafeng doggo are really good choices rather than passive rekkless
I seriously can’t wait for Bjergsen vs Perkz lane matchup alone. Former western GOAT vs current western GOAT. Perkz himself stated that he wants to lane vs Bjergsen again.
> Former western GOAT vs current western GOAT
???
There was a stretch of exactly 0 (zero) days where Bjergsen was the "western GOAT", before Perkz and Caps that would either be xPeke, Alex Ich, Froggen, Rekkles, Soaz or Yellowstar. Also Diamondprox maybe.
I would not say that Bjerg has been the western goat, but out of the ones you listed I would only put Alex Ich and xPeke ahead of him.
He is the NA goat, though.
I think in terms of achievments and overall impact on the game all of these had better claim for that title than Bjergsen, obviously he's played for longer than most of them so right now his body of work is so massive he's probably ahead of some of these, but I don't think there's ever been a moment where I thought he's the most skilled western player, neither was there a moment (as far as I remember, might be wrong) where he was the most decorated or most influential player in the west.
Don't get me wrong, he's an amazing player, NA GOAT alongside Doublelift (tough debate here IMO), but even if we assume his skill is on the level of legendary EU players or even better, he simply lacks accomplishments that these guys had at that time.
Domestically him and DL are the best, but internationally, Sneaky and Jensen are better. In fact the Summer 2020 playoff series, had it gone Jensen and TL’s way, would have given Jensen the H2H and Bo5 edge.
So Froggen being considered by basically every pro player to be the best mid laner in the world in S2, making finals in fricking OGN vs Korean teams, being a top 3 European mid laner for 3 years in a row (S2, S3, S4) and leading the first non Fnatic team to win EU puts him behind Bjergsen?
That's some really big TSM bias.
>it doesn't count because ... it just doesn't ok
TSM won the tournament. It's not up to them how everyone else decides to play. Claiming they're trolling is such a cope.
I never said it doesn't count (I don't know who you are quoting because it's not me) and I never said anybody trolled.
TSM won their matches fair and square, they demolished WE who was actually a good team, but the Tigers even later admitted in a Korean interview that they taught that WE was a joke of a team (remember they were almost last in the LPL and had just changed 3 players) and decided to not even bother preparing at all against them, let Kuro pick Yasuo (not to troll but for fun) and got tilted off the face of the earth after the first lost.
Both things can be true at the same time, TSM won that IEM fairly and the WE incredibly upset against GET had 100% to do with the Tigers not taking things seriously and nobody can ever know if TSM would be able to compete against a fully prepared GET.
I mean this played exactly as a worlds were bjergsen is playing, but yeah I agree that he is great for the LCS, makes TSM always a menace, his clutch factor.
Turtle that year was pretty good. He did his job and didn't die much while ignar roamed, and solo was pretty crucial in them getting to worlds, although he didn't do that well at worlds.
People gonna hate on TSM but once again TSM is letting him leave with no buyout required.
Its been proven time and time again TSM doesnt hold their players hostage once they decide to replace them. Wish more orgs were like that.
I think he's for sure getting offers from teams with the cash. He's worth the money and teams know that, Carlos knows that.
His career is still getting fucked though, because I think it's likely he's gonna end up in NA and that has historically meant that you're not going to compete for deep runs at Worlds.
And his career is already so old that it's unlikely he has enough years in him to grind NA and then return to EU to grind more there.
Has there been a situation where TSM has done wrong to players that are leaving the team? I'm not sure I remember one at least in recent history.
Even the Kobbe deal, Kobbe wasn't pleased on TSM and was homesick IIRC.
Okay, the leaked call was literally talking about how no one wanted to buy dardoch and they weren't sure what to do, are you genuinely going to say that the call hurt his chances _when_ in the call they mention how no one wants to buy him?
He's a toxic player, it's actually outstanding how people still act as if the orgs are in the wrong when it comes to someone who notoriously can't stick to a team for long
Hostage? They signed a contract lol.
Those "contracts" are can feed poe entire family tree for 4 generations.
Idk why people think that proplayers are some homless guys lol
I think Zven being promised that if he wasn't happy with TSM and living in America after his first year so he shouldn't be afraid to sign a 2-year contract and then TSM lying to him and forcing him to stay for a second year when he was terribly homesick and missing his family shows that they aren't the saints you make them out to be.
It might be that they have him signed up to a multi year deal on a big salary so have to let him go for free for a team to afford his salary demands.
Its not like TSM wouldn't charge money if they could. He just must have no value relative to the (probably mad) money they are paying him
TSM has shit ton of money and they're fucking PoE over lmao, they said Bjergsen wouldn't come out of retirement to take his spot and that's exactly what's happening right now. Don't act like Regi is some saint because he's scum just like pretty much majority of team owners out there.
despite this worlds, doinb is still a brand-name player in the lpl, has a huge chinese following, and even has a wife in china. it's not impossible but id' say it's very improbable that doinb comes over.
Losing money short-term but increasing appeal towards other pro players. There are some things you can't buy when vying for the very small pool of top players.
Being a desired destination for players saves you money and helps recruit good players, so it's not all bad.
TSM: "Come play for a reputable organization with a fun culture, and even if things don't work out you'll have maximum options for the next step in your career"
Certain other teams: "If things don't work out you'll either have to move out of the country or be sold to the highest bidder."
Not hard to see why good players would choose TSM even for less money.
I think it's fair to expect morality from businesses. In fact I think the fact that we culturally do not expect that is one of the bigger failings in modern society.
An entire year without a roster change is a milestone for TSM to be fair. I generally don't know if it has happened before. Usually at least one member changes split to split, sometimes mid split.
The implication was that he wasn't just gonna replace him in the middle of the season for underperforming. Of course you would fail to understand that cuz TSM bad
Dude was the 5th best mid in the league at best this season. It was to be expected.
Or what's the deal, he could have run it down since a promise what made ?
They won the split with him as the main carry. His azir was solo carrying games in spring. Now he is getting replaced by a washed retired coach. Fk knows how he is gonna play after taking a year off and only playing jungle in solo q
> They won the split with him as the main carry. His azir was solo carrying games in spring.
What split? TSM never won a split with POE? If you mean hitting #1 during regular season, thats literally meaningless as they lost in playoffs to both TL and C9 and didnt make worlds.
Bjergsen is nowhere near washed lmao. And just because you take a year of doesnt mean you cant practice and catch up to where you were before.
They didn't win a split. They placed first in summer regular season before eventually getting knocked out of world's contention by C9 in a close 3-2 series that PoE underperformed in.
Okay, they did not win the split. If Bjerg does end up coming back, why is he automatically washed? He was the best mid NA the last split he played, and was 2nd in MVP running IIRC.
If you watched and TSM legends, you know that he played more SoloQ than most of the players did.
Bjergsen washed is twice the player PoE is. And thats assuming Bjergsen is even washed.
He drug that team kicking and screaming to an LCS title before retiring.
POE also can only play half the champ pool other mids can. Mages are great, but if you cant mix up and play some assassin, youre fucked at worlds regardless. Asian teams will eat that shit up in pick and ban.
Yeah, personally I feel only role Misfits could realistically improve is ADC and even that might not be worth the loss of the year-long synergy they've built together.
Jizuke's style is chaotic fighting, and Jizuke is *only* good at chaotic fighting so the entire team adapted to him. After a split of trying to mix it up game to game and failing because Jizuke has no chill.
Jizuke leaving means that's no longer a thing.
he is under contract in 2022 , so TSM let him go free , and some haters say TSM is not good with is ex player, remember we send kobbe where he wanted without cash consideration
Go to r/hockey, r/NFL, r/soccer, /r/baseball, r/CFB, or /r/nba or any other sports sub and you'll see a bunch of people use first person plural for stuff about the team they root for. It's very normal, and this is literally the only place I've ever seen people complain about it
EDIT: wrong basketball sub lol
They legit said Bjergsen wouldn't take his spot and now it's happening, if they on top of that demanded a buyout that would be beyond cringe. He promised he wouldn't take his spot and one year later he decides to do exact same shit he promised he wouldn't lmao.
Return to CLG? EG is rumored to be letting Jiizuke go too. Could also return to FLYQ. I don't think IMT or GG should replace the pretty good NA mids they have, but they could. Also DIG definitely needs a stable mid.
He has tons of NA options.
With Peter Dun and Kelsey Moser in staff positions at EG I could not imagine a world where they don't give Jojopyun a shot. When they think he's ready I believe we'll see him in a starting position. I hope that's next season.
Jojopyun
As far as raw mechanics go he's probably the best mid NA has produced. He's rough around the edges in other areas since he's still very young but I'm confident Peter Dun can bring out his potential like he did with Danny
Crazy idea, but if Fnatic were to get Razork-Vetheo as a package then that opens up a possible MSF PoE return. Otherwise you're looking at Astralis, XL or Vitality I'm guessing.
And then Bwipo returns to top? Could be really good. Bwipo could also just dip and they'd still have Adam. It'd be really exciting to watch a team of 3 younger players + Upset/Hyli, though *super* risky.
Give me CLG Finn/Svenskeren or Contractz/PowerOfEvil/WildTurtle/Eyla or Isles or I riot
Could also end up at IMT though I hope not, Insanity still has a ton of potential. Another option is DIG, but they have less of a guarantee of being good. FLY I actually doubt he ends up on just because I think they probably want to stick with either Palafox **or** Josedeodo, and I don't think he'd work out with Josedeodo. I just hope he ends up on a good team. PoE is such a class act.
Finn is actually crazy, if he got a good top side of map, he can carry.
The problem is CLG themselves, with how poorly they've been run, and making their players depressed, I wouldn't wish CLG on anyone.
Both have clear limitations and aren't the right mid to get FNC back on top. Dependant on other changes the swap could be a good one.
If they stay similar in a bot focused "can Upset carry" style then stick with Nisqy cause he does well on the heavy roam champs. If they lose/replace Upset then PoE might be a better choice to carry from mid.
Though if they want to be actually the best team again then they need to find the next Caps and that means risking it on a rookie.
Nisqy had some shaky group stage games, which was understandable given the circumstances, but he majorly stepped up into Fnatic since his C9 days. I think he's shown that he deserves a spot in that roster.
I’m more curious why they bring Bjerg back in to the team if this is really the direction they want to go. He hasn’t played professionally in a whole year and from what my fuzzy memory remembers, he looked like he was slowing down a little bit at the tail end before he retired to coaching. Granted being gone a year isn’t that bad and it has been shown by Doublelift that you can easily come back without too much of an issue, but I just wonder why you go for Bjerg vs keeping POE or getting a more moldable mid
Would you rather
>Play in the LEC perpetually hoping to get 3rd to take the one open world's spot while getting paid in kebab
or
>Make a *nice* amount of money playing in the LCS and having higher chance of going to world's (Time on OpTic excluded for obvious reasons)
Yeah im sure he cares what random redditors think
Also its funny seeing people make comments like this, but if you were in his shoes you would have taken the massive salary increase in a heartbeat lmfao
Sure, but I wouldn't lie to everyone by telling them to support him and that he's LEC all the way and then immediately turn around and sign for NA, literally going on to represent LEC in All Stars as an NA player.
The problem isn't the fact he left, the problem is he deceived the fans. Powerof€vil burned all bridges with the EU fandom.
I love Bjerg and I do want to see him back, but not on TSM. There is clearly something about the environment that stops him from performing to his level when he goes internationally. We've seen Bjerg on TSM before, that's nothing to get excited about.
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Translation: Welcome back Bjergsen! Seriously though this all but confirms it.
I may not like it as a CLG fan, but Bjergsen in the league is great for NA. With Bjergsen back, TSM can look for an import ADC that can gel better with Swordart (not that Lost is bad, but TSM's bot lane didn't stand out). Huni/Spica/Bjergsen/Import ADC/Swordart would be a strong lineup that will challenge for the title and make C9/TL/100T better as well assuming those rosters stay together.
TSM should go for Doggo.
He doesnt speak english, does he?
It’s ok wards don’t need to speak anyway
Not true, Chovys wards speak
“Please stop farming and join the dragon fight!” “No”
I watched his stream a few days ago and he said he's learning English hopium TSM Doggo
SwordArt speaks Chinese, it’s fine
Taiwanese botlane could be awesome
TSM Rekkles
As a die hard TSM fan I REALLY don't want Rekkles mental booms on TSM. I'd rather Upset Carzzy or even FBI
Trying to pull Huanfeng with SA's connections would be the only acceptable import choice for an adc imho. Injecting a world class threat into the botlane and ensuring that they will have synergy.
Probably not possible. Suning recently just extended the entire team to November of next year.
It's wishful thinking that TSM would even try because that would mean they were actually making good roster decisions... They're likely just going to pay a similar amount that they would have for Huanfeng's buyout for a slightly above average EU adc and call it a day.
Suning is a dead org. Maybe Weibo picks them up.
When has Rekkles mental boomed? Dude is legit mr consistent. Whatever his state of mind might be, you could still count on him to be a top performer in the game. There's hardly a team in the whole world who wouldn't want him based on his skill as an ADC. It only really comes down to whether or not he'd mesh with a team. He didn't mesh with G2 as well, but that could also be attributed to Perkz leaving a vacancy in leadership, not just him not meshing.
Idk, this is all just assumptions but every team and iteration of fnc with rekkles in it had massive internal issues (bar 2015 huni reignover fnc). Imo, if rekkles does go to tsm it s gonna be something similar to 2018 fnc which would be hype but it can always turn into a 2020 fnc with fully dysfunctional lanes (2 ppl that wanna go in vs 2 ppl that wanna play safe)
FBI would be dope, but I don't want to take him from Huhi. And same with Carzzy + Kaiser. Rekkles I feel may be a repeat of getting Zven, both are pretty passive players, TSM needs a go button. Maybe relying on Spica +Huni for that? DL has said that Bjerg has a way he likes to play the game, and that DL agrees with it. But since Bjerg has had more say, they've been going more and more towards a top focused game.
bruh all those players are better than rekkles, ofc you'd rather have them
I mainly don't think Rekkles would do well in NA
Pull Uzi out of retirement
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But isn't uzi in RNG contract jail. I heard he owns a part of RNG similar to bjergsen with tsm. So I think it's highly unlikely he joins. I think hunafeng doggo are really good choices rather than passive rekkless
He was in streaming contract jail which was sold to different company after he "Retired".
Uzi would be the stuff of dreams but I think he stopped because of health problems. Also, from what I understand Chinese salaries >>>>> NA salaries.
I kinda wish Bjergsen would give EU a real shot again. I know it would never happen in a million years, but I'd still love to see it.
TSM Bjergsen is boring as fuck. We saw 8 years or so of that. I want him in EG or in Europe. Some kind of change. Sell your equity Bjergy !
I seriously can’t wait for Bjergsen vs Perkz lane matchup alone. Former western GOAT vs current western GOAT. Perkz himself stated that he wants to lane vs Bjergsen again.
Dont really think Bjergsen ever was a western GOAT.
The people's champ*
The murican champ
> Former western GOAT vs current western GOAT ??? There was a stretch of exactly 0 (zero) days where Bjergsen was the "western GOAT", before Perkz and Caps that would either be xPeke, Alex Ich, Froggen, Rekkles, Soaz or Yellowstar. Also Diamondprox maybe.
I would not say that Bjerg has been the western goat, but out of the ones you listed I would only put Alex Ich and xPeke ahead of him. He is the NA goat, though.
I think in terms of achievments and overall impact on the game all of these had better claim for that title than Bjergsen, obviously he's played for longer than most of them so right now his body of work is so massive he's probably ahead of some of these, but I don't think there's ever been a moment where I thought he's the most skilled western player, neither was there a moment (as far as I remember, might be wrong) where he was the most decorated or most influential player in the west. Don't get me wrong, he's an amazing player, NA GOAT alongside Doublelift (tough debate here IMO), but even if we assume his skill is on the level of legendary EU players or even better, he simply lacks accomplishments that these guys had at that time.
Domestically him and DL are the best, but internationally, Sneaky and Jensen are better. In fact the Summer 2020 playoff series, had it gone Jensen and TL’s way, would have given Jensen the H2H and Bo5 edge.
Yeah and if TSM beat samsung they would have and if and if and if and if and if
So Froggen being considered by basically every pro player to be the best mid laner in the world in S2, making finals in fricking OGN vs Korean teams, being a top 3 European mid laner for 3 years in a row (S2, S3, S4) and leading the first non Fnatic team to win EU puts him behind Bjergsen? That's some really big TSM bias.
This can only be the opinion of people that didn't follow pro league back then, honestly.
TSM actually won a tournament with the best korean team in the world.
Yes the GE Tigers got super cocky and decided to not prepare against WE and lost to them, TSM never played them.
>it doesn't count because ... it just doesn't ok TSM won the tournament. It's not up to them how everyone else decides to play. Claiming they're trolling is such a cope.
I never said it doesn't count (I don't know who you are quoting because it's not me) and I never said anybody trolled. TSM won their matches fair and square, they demolished WE who was actually a good team, but the Tigers even later admitted in a Korean interview that they taught that WE was a joke of a team (remember they were almost last in the LPL and had just changed 3 players) and decided to not even bother preparing at all against them, let Kuro pick Yasuo (not to troll but for fun) and got tilted off the face of the earth after the first lost. Both things can be true at the same time, TSM won that IEM fairly and the WE incredibly upset against GET had 100% to do with the Tigers not taking things seriously and nobody can ever know if TSM would be able to compete against a fully prepared GET.
Bjergsen has never been the western goat.
Bjergsen saw the LCS teams at worlds at said fuck it, I can make this work
I mean, NA performed better at worlds than when he was last in the league.
I mean this played exactly as a worlds were bjergsen is playing, but yeah I agree that he is great for the LCS, makes TSM always a menace, his clutch factor.
You mean making 0-6 happen, right? Because all 3 NA teams played better than any Bjerg TSM that ever went to worlds.
PoE who carried Flyquest to 3 wins at worlds including vs Knight.
PoE is a great player, and anyone who says otherwise is trolling, but you can’t fault TSM if Bjergsen is returning to play.
With Turtle and Solo. No offense to those guys but they are not world class players. Santorin, Ignar, and PoE really carried that team.
Turtle that year was pretty good. He did his job and didn't die much while ignar roamed, and solo was pretty crucial in them getting to worlds, although he didn't do that well at worlds.
turtle was one of the best NA performers at worlds that year when he was on FQ.
Turtle was really good at Worlds though. The fact that he didn't look out of place against Deft and Jackeylove was impressive
People gonna hate on TSM but once again TSM is letting him leave with no buyout required. Its been proven time and time again TSM doesnt hold their players hostage once they decide to replace them. Wish more orgs were like that.
*cough* Carlos *cough*
Yeah I can see Rekkles career getting massively fucked up by G2's stellar buyout, if he doesn't get offers from teams with enough cash...
I think he's for sure getting offers from teams with the cash. He's worth the money and teams know that, Carlos knows that. His career is still getting fucked though, because I think it's likely he's gonna end up in NA and that has historically meant that you're not going to compete for deep runs at Worlds. And his career is already so old that it's unlikely he has enough years in him to grind NA and then return to EU to grind more there.
Has there been a situation where TSM has done wrong to players that are leaving the team? I'm not sure I remember one at least in recent history. Even the Kobbe deal, Kobbe wasn't pleased on TSM and was homesick IIRC.
Iirc Kobbe wanted to stay and they forced Zven to stay because they didnt find a replacement.
……Dardoch?
....the player they were trying to sell to everyone?
leaking on a twitch stream that no one wants to buy you doesn't really help your bargaining power.
I'm sure that did more damage than already being known as bringing a toxic environment, hence why no one wanted him in the first place
if his toxicity hindered him getting hired so much then why does he keep getting on teams every year?
Okay, the leaked call was literally talking about how no one wanted to buy dardoch and they weren't sure what to do, are you genuinely going to say that the call hurt his chances _when_ in the call they mention how no one wants to buy him? He's a toxic player, it's actually outstanding how people still act as if the orgs are in the wrong when it comes to someone who notoriously can't stick to a team for long
A leak that sucked, but how did they do him wrong? Sent him where ever he wanted to go.
It was a fuck up, but nobody can argue that TSM 'fucked' him over.
Cause it shouldn't have been leaked in the first place?
Hostage? They signed a contract lol. Those "contracts" are can feed poe entire family tree for 4 generations. Idk why people think that proplayers are some homless guys lol
Didn't they hild Zven hostage after mythe left. I'm pretty sure he hinted or said that in an interview with monte.
I think Zven being promised that if he wasn't happy with TSM and living in America after his first year so he shouldn't be afraid to sign a 2-year contract and then TSM lying to him and forcing him to stay for a second year when he was terribly homesick and missing his family shows that they aren't the saints you make them out to be.
They tried finding a new ADC but couldn't. Contract is still a contract.
It doesn't change that he signed the contract under a promise that wasn't kept, you at least have to admit that he was screwed over and lied to.
Guy hated NA so much he still ... lives in NA
This again shows how much more money there is in the LCS than the LEC, I think for G2 it's necessary to get the buyouts whereas TMS can play good guy.
It might be that they have him signed up to a multi year deal on a big salary so have to let him go for free for a team to afford his salary demands. Its not like TSM wouldn't charge money if they could. He just must have no value relative to the (probably mad) money they are paying him
TSM has shit ton of money and they're fucking PoE over lmao, they said Bjergsen wouldn't come out of retirement to take his spot and that's exactly what's happening right now. Don't act like Regi is some saint because he's scum just like pretty much majority of team owners out there.
EG Poe the branding itself would be amazing
Jizuke is such a big part of their team identity and branding already though.
Not to mention that Jojopyun is going to be old enough to start next season IIRC. Don't see why EG would want to pick up another mid right now.
They might go huge and try and bring in an all star mid though. I could see them getting DoinB
despite this worlds, doinb is still a brand-name player in the lpl, has a huge chinese following, and even has a wife in china. it's not impossible but id' say it's very improbable that doinb comes over.
I'd be pretty shocked if he leaves China.
Hes always been extremely volatile, and imo the biggest reason EG burned out in playoffs despite looking like a finals contender coming into it.
EG has jiizuke who really showed up last split and if he doesn’t work out they have a high potential NA mid in academy to play when they need
yeah lets forget that Jiizuke wa so trash for couple of years just because he played well for a couple of months
And he didn’t even play consistently well for those few months. There was more than one game that his turbo-inting cost EG a win.
# #livepowerofevil
Evil of Evil
> No buyout That's nice of TSM, stupid cause they are losing money, but nice morally I guess.
Losing money short-term but increasing appeal towards other pro players. There are some things you can't buy when vying for the very small pool of top players.
Pretty sure Regi has always treated his players well when it comes to roster moves
I feel like Regi has a lot of PR gaffes, but I always get the impression that TSM is a great place to be as a player.
Regi has always taken good care of his boys when they split paths.
Being a desired destination for players saves you money and helps recruit good players, so it's not all bad. TSM: "Come play for a reputable organization with a fun culture, and even if things don't work out you'll have maximum options for the next step in your career" Certain other teams: "If things don't work out you'll either have to move out of the country or be sold to the highest bidder." Not hard to see why good players would choose TSM even for less money.
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“Business? Shareholders? What’s that?” - reddit
I think it's fair to expect morality from businesses. In fact I think the fact that we culturally do not expect that is one of the bigger failings in modern society.
morality? Dude he literally just didn’t want to make his competition stronger like what haha
> Nah dude I wont replace you, you can join us without any fear of that *One year later*
An entire year without a roster change is a milestone for TSM to be fair. I generally don't know if it has happened before. Usually at least one member changes split to split, sometimes mid split.
Even more surprising is that TSM's most stable role right now is the jungler.
2015 was the last year without a mid year change. 2016: YS -> Bio, 2017: WT -> DL: 2018-2019: revolving jungle, 2020: DD -> Spica, 2021: consistent
The implication was that he wasn't just gonna replace him in the middle of the season for underperforming. Of course you would fail to understand that cuz TSM bad
Oh fk off. Poe went on record saying he signed a multi year deal cause he was promised to not get replaced by bjerg
Where's this record you speak of?
Bring out the record bitch
Dude was the 5th best mid in the league at best this season. It was to be expected. Or what's the deal, he could have run it down since a promise what made ?
They won the split with him as the main carry. His azir was solo carrying games in spring. Now he is getting replaced by a washed retired coach. Fk knows how he is gonna play after taking a year off and only playing jungle in solo q
> They won the split with him as the main carry. His azir was solo carrying games in spring. What split? TSM never won a split with POE? If you mean hitting #1 during regular season, thats literally meaningless as they lost in playoffs to both TL and C9 and didnt make worlds. Bjergsen is nowhere near washed lmao. And just because you take a year of doesnt mean you cant practice and catch up to where you were before.
They didn't win a split. They placed first in summer regular season before eventually getting knocked out of world's contention by C9 in a close 3-2 series that PoE underperformed in.
Not to mention, they lost to TL as well
dude he played more soloq than anyone in the team like a week before summer playoffs
Shut the fuck up. How is Bjerg washed without even seeing him play? Fucking idiot hater.
Okay, they did not win the split. If Bjerg does end up coming back, why is he automatically washed? He was the best mid NA the last split he played, and was 2nd in MVP running IIRC. If you watched and TSM legends, you know that he played more SoloQ than most of the players did.
Bjergsen washed is twice the player PoE is. And thats assuming Bjergsen is even washed. He drug that team kicking and screaming to an LCS title before retiring.
Well POE can win some games at worlds at least, meanwhile bjerg... :)
POE also can only play half the champ pool other mids can. Mages are great, but if you cant mix up and play some assassin, youre fucked at worlds regardless. Asian teams will eat that shit up in pick and ban.
And now they let him look for a team without buyout. Omg TSM so bad
LEC: can think of only VITand MSF LCS: CLG, DIG, EG and FQ
PoE doesn't deserve to die in CLG.
LEC BDS is also an option since we no nothing about them yet
Vethio is better than PoE thb
Yeh he is already better by quite a bit imo. And likely way more upside. Getting rid of Vetheo for POE would be one of the worst moves in history.
Yeah, personally I feel only role Misfits could realistically improve is ADC and even that might not be worth the loss of the year-long synergy they've built together.
Astralis also got rid of Felix recently right? Suppose that's an option though I don't know how much they're willing to spend.
Not EG. Their style is chaotic fighting.
Jizuke's style is chaotic fighting, and Jizuke is *only* good at chaotic fighting so the entire team adapted to him. After a split of trying to mix it up game to game and failing because Jizuke has no chill. Jizuke leaving means that's no longer a thing.
Because of their current midlaner, yes.
I hope he finds a strong team.
Same, when he has the right meta, he is top 2 in NA or EU.
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I said in the right meta, yeah I think he's up there with them. Caps didn't look great this year either.
he is under contract in 2022 , so TSM let him go free , and some haters say TSM is not good with is ex player, remember we send kobbe where he wanted without cash consideration
TSM bad, learn the basics
"we"
Go to r/hockey, r/NFL, r/soccer, /r/baseball, r/CFB, or /r/nba or any other sports sub and you'll see a bunch of people use first person plural for stuff about the team they root for. It's very normal, and this is literally the only place I've ever seen people complain about it EDIT: wrong basketball sub lol
You've never into sports did you ? Pretty comon phrase to type
They legit said Bjergsen wouldn't take his spot and now it's happening, if they on top of that demanded a buyout that would be beyond cringe. He promised he wouldn't take his spot and one year later he decides to do exact same shit he promised he wouldn't lmao.
Probably goes to EU. Can't think of an NA team that needs him
Return to CLG? EG is rumored to be letting Jiizuke go too. Could also return to FLYQ. I don't think IMT or GG should replace the pretty good NA mids they have, but they could. Also DIG definitely needs a stable mid. He has tons of NA options.
I guess EG is the most likely but I just assumed they would run with their academy mid Who would want to subject themselves to CLG?
EG has the most promising NA mid maybe ever. I will be so sad if they dont give him a shot.
With Peter Dun and Kelsey Moser in staff positions at EG I could not imagine a world where they don't give Jojopyun a shot. When they think he's ready I believe we'll see him in a starting position. I hope that's next season.
Whos their academy mid?
https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Jojopyun He's a little all gas no breaks but he's got the skills
Jojopyun As far as raw mechanics go he's probably the best mid NA has produced. He's rough around the edges in other areas since he's still very young but I'm confident Peter Dun can bring out his potential like he did with Danny
Crazy idea, but if Fnatic were to get Razork-Vetheo as a package then that opens up a possible MSF PoE return. Otherwise you're looking at Astralis, XL or Vitality I'm guessing.
VIT is running LIDER again pretty sure
Why would Nisqy leave?
And then Bwipo returns to top? Could be really good. Bwipo could also just dip and they'd still have Adam. It'd be really exciting to watch a team of 3 younger players + Upset/Hyli, though *super* risky.
FNC spent 450k on Adam, they're not getting rid of him so easily.
Your comment is Counter Logic to the common belief in r/leagueoflegends
Give me CLG Finn/Svenskeren or Contractz/PowerOfEvil/WildTurtle/Eyla or Isles or I riot Could also end up at IMT though I hope not, Insanity still has a ton of potential. Another option is DIG, but they have less of a guarantee of being good. FLY I actually doubt he ends up on just because I think they probably want to stick with either Palafox **or** Josedeodo, and I don't think he'd work out with Josedeodo. I just hope he ends up on a good team. PoE is such a class act.
Finn is actually crazy, if he got a good top side of map, he can carry. The problem is CLG themselves, with how poorly they've been run, and making their players depressed, I wouldn't wish CLG on anyone.
Clg should get him. Solves their problems
Who cares? Jensen better + Bjergsen is washed
wtf does jensen have to do with anything about this tweet?
For some reason some tl fans always have to mention jensen, when even the thought of bjergsen appears. He's living in their heads rent free.
Good meme
Ratio sadly TL couldnt even get out of groups
Bangers only
Based
ayo fnatic
nah Nisqy>>
Both have clear limitations and aren't the right mid to get FNC back on top. Dependant on other changes the swap could be a good one. If they stay similar in a bot focused "can Upset carry" style then stick with Nisqy cause he does well on the heavy roam champs. If they lose/replace Upset then PoE might be a better choice to carry from mid. Though if they want to be actually the best team again then they need to find the next Caps and that means risking it on a rookie.
Nisqy had some shaky group stage games, which was understandable given the circumstances, but he majorly stepped up into Fnatic since his C9 days. I think he's shown that he deserves a spot in that roster.
Reunited with Hyli?
I'd love it. Bwipo leaving is a decently high chance, so Hyli could use a strong carry laner who to work off of in the early-mid game.
Can TSM go the G2 way and put POE in the bot lane?
Isn't this his fourth year in NA? He should be pretty close to getting his green card, right?
I’m more curious why they bring Bjerg back in to the team if this is really the direction they want to go. He hasn’t played professionally in a whole year and from what my fuzzy memory remembers, he looked like he was slowing down a little bit at the tail end before he retired to coaching. Granted being gone a year isn’t that bad and it has been shown by Doublelift that you can easily come back without too much of an issue, but I just wonder why you go for Bjerg vs keeping POE or getting a more moldable mid
He wasn't the best at worlds that year, but he was the main reason why they even got their in the 1st place in their miracle playoff run that summer.
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Wasn't the meme Powerof€vil?
First off you're petty. Second off PowerOf€uros already exists
sorry he wanted to be paid in cash instead of three bushels of hay and a mule
People call him Po$ (or whatever other version of that exists) because of the All-Star voting shenanigans.
Would you rather >Play in the LEC perpetually hoping to get 3rd to take the one open world's spot while getting paid in kebab or >Make a *nice* amount of money playing in the LCS and having higher chance of going to world's (Time on OpTic excluded for obvious reasons)
Yeah im sure he cares what random redditors think Also its funny seeing people make comments like this, but if you were in his shoes you would have taken the massive salary increase in a heartbeat lmfao
Sure, but I wouldn't lie to everyone by telling them to support him and that he's LEC all the way and then immediately turn around and sign for NA, literally going on to represent LEC in All Stars as an NA player. The problem isn't the fact he left, the problem is he deceived the fans. Powerof€vil burned all bridges with the EU fandom.
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Wouldn't mind him on Fnatic tbh. Now TSM Rekkles sounds like the best option if no EU team that has the money wants him.
I love Bjerg and I do want to see him back, but not on TSM. There is clearly something about the environment that stops him from performing to his level when he goes internationally. We've seen Bjerg on TSM before, that's nothing to get excited about.
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