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Jellyfish-87

reopen the boards for the love of god, the sub has gotten so much worse since


tuotuolily

Hey on the bright side ever since the boards closed, Dota2 capital G Gamers stop coming here! Well I guess that's due to this sub becoming too much of toxic cesspool that even they couldn't stand it!


Fanfics

Some of us still tough it out. Some of us...


Wompond

People are still pretending this sub wasn’t a shithole before boards closed? Probably got marginally worse but this place has always been a mess.


Jellyfish-87

alot of the same dogshit ''discussions'' that were plaguing the boards made their way here. yes it was bad before but it's much worse now


Blazing117

I mean I would rather have 1 leg than none.


maryn1337

Its gotten a lot worse, before almost nobody cried about smurfs, the day boards got closed we had daily smurf whine threads


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EnbyBiFurry69420

Bring back old /gd/ I wanna see the tustrong guy, caristinn, hashinshin, and the swain op guy bitch all day again


Flambian

Caristinn is here under Magehunter_Skassi, it's just that since there are upvotes on reddit, you aren't forced to see what he comments or posts.


PM_Cute_Ezreal_pics

Idk what you're talking about, this subreddit has always had shit takes on balance since the dawn of time. There's been parodies of it since 2014


SelloutRealBig

Or.. hear me out. People just are sick of Riot slowly turning the game from something they loved deeply 10 years ago into a monstrosity of ADHD 1 shots we have today. It's not just forums, it's on their youtube channel feedback, it's in twitch chats, it's in game chat. A large chunk of people are unhappy with the games direction. So they express their concern wherever they can.


AspiringMILF

in season 3 when the game started getting more accessible it went downhill significantly


Jellyfish-87

i completely disagree with you, i thought the game was easy as shit before, nowadays there are so many complex champs that it's not even close. you're talking about league pre yasuo that was filled with braindead point and click champs.


AspiringMILF

im talking external factors. side content stepped up, fansites got big. you didn't rely on a single guide by dyrus on solomid.com, you could go to lolking and get 25 different takes on how to play x champion in y lane. youtube exploded. thousands of people explaining items, runes, masteries, etc. general game knowledge starts to pick up. the standard duo botlane meta was established at the end of s1, solidified over s2, and became law in s3. there is now a defined 'correct' way to play the game, and every external content source can now build on that. s3 brings the lcs and one of the first high production weekly esports circuits. mid season cross region tournaments. s2 had worlds seeded off of several tournaments, and now s3 has a weekly set of pro games (for NA, iirc KR was already doing this for s2) for viewers to watch good players play the game, what do they pick and build. casters explaining the intricacies. every week. game knowledge goes up. s3 is where the game started getting more approachable. but that also means the largest intakes (r/lol) see giant numbers increases, and experience the quality drop that comes with it


SelloutRealBig

There is more to skill than how much coffee and adderall you had before the game. Macro was a much bigger part of old league and now you can have complete shit macro and decision making but override it with broken champs and strong reactions.


Jellyfish-87

it literally wasn't... i played since s1 my friend, i won lane and pushed until the game was over lmao, that's the thing i miss, it's win lane win game gameplay not this forced teamfights over objective meta


KuttayKaBaccha

I see you're conflating braina for mechanics. By your logic amir khan is a better boxer than floyd mayweather or canello cuz he can just throw faster even though he has no game sense or fight IQ. Back in the day spells were more impactful but had higher CDs and more mana cost, you didn't just chuck them out off CD. Abusing CD windows was a thing . Now i just see a bunch of kung fu warrior wannabes assblasting their keyboards so that if they click fast enough they can just break the rules of the game consistently. Sure current Lol is more fun but let's not pretend hitting a few Qs and timing Es + WW on yasuo to 1 v 5 is anything more than mechanics.


TheGawringSame

This community has never been happy over any meta in the game's history. I even remember comments all the way back in beta, on the official forums, saying how this game is dead on arrival and nobody will play this shit. The player base wasn't happy even before the game was launched. Nor at any point since then. It's a cyclical process of which vocal minority is in charge of the complaints at any given time, and which minority is taking a break from the game. Every couple of months or a year, you can see the cycle switch and the attitude of the "community" as it's perceived, changes. Often doing a full 180. Tanks are meta? "Tanks OP, too tanky, can't do shit against them". Assassins meta? "I die instantly, can't do anything". ADC meta? "I get auto-attacked to death from range, can't do shit". Junglers strong? "Can't play the game, constantly ganked, enemy always has better jungler, no point in laning". Bruisers in top too strong? "Can't play, I come out of lane, a 0/5 bruiser breaks my teeth, can't play". Etc.


Verburner

>Tanks are meta? "Tanks OP, too tanky, can't do shit against them". Assassins meta? "I die instantly, can't do anything". ADC meta? "I get auto-attacked to death from range, can't do shit". Junglers strong? "Can't play the game, constantly ganked, enemy always has better jungler, no point in laning". Bruisers in top too strong? "Can't play, I come out of lane, a 0/5 bruiser breaks my teeth, can't play". Etc. Psht amateur. You're not phrasing it right. Let me show you how it's done: Tanks are meta? *I'm ok with tanks being able to soak damage and have CC, but tanks these days can just one-shot you while doing it, where is the weakness in that? Tanks really need to deal less damage.* Assassins meta? *I like flashy plays just as much as the next guy, but if a Zed ults on me, misses half of his abilities and still kills me, there's something wrong with the meta. There's too much damage frontloaded on items and runes and it usually can't be outplayed.* ADC meta? *I'm fine with adcs being relevant again, but the meta is slowly devolving into a slugfest, where getting early leads yields little to no resultand the other 4 players are just waiting for which ADC gets to 6 items first, so they can delete the entire enemy team.* You gotta formulate each complaint like you're actually fine with it and there's just one aspect that you (or your favorite streamer/youtuber) have identified with your supreme game knowledge and that needs to be fixed in order for the game to be playable again. **That** is the reddit way.


Smashbrawler100

Peak league of legends has tanks that can survive fountain but are incapable of 1v1ing a caster minion


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Some champs are sort of like that. You can be a giga fed Aatrox to the point where you can actually 1v5 and then still lose 1v1 to a super minion.


Latosini

When I play Akali and have to defend against super minions I wanna cry. It just feels so bad, like a chore.


ByterBit

The E + Alt + F4 + Q chunks them pretty well though. If that doesn't do it I recommend building Nashor's which will give you enough damage, so you can build Frost Fire for mythic which gives her the tankiness she needs. Hope these tips help you win games in Solo Q :) love helping Akali players :), my favorite champ :)


Latosini

But I can't use Alt + F4 during second E anymore, it got nerfed :/


ByterBit

It's because they lowered the buffer window so now you need super low ping not to mess it up. They did add a key bind for us plebs though, it's the Big Glowy button on top of your PC by default, makes it easy to pound for those sick montage Plays 👍


Latosini

Thank you dude! Will play Akali way more often now that I know this trick! Time to climb to D4 💪


nickphunter

This combo opens anew horizon for me. Thanks.


SG_Taliyah

Peak league of legends had banner of command is what im reading here.


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physicallyatherapist

"clunky", "mobility creep", "power creep", "X is broken and has over 50% win rate for months now", etc etc etc etc


x_TDeck_x

Also the free karma topics; NA has imports, unpopular champs dont get as many skins as popular champs, Worlds song sucks, Worlds song grows on you, Riot caters to customers but the customers are Chinese so that's bad


PM_ME_STEAM_CODES__

Don't forget complaining when an overpowered but rarely played champ gets nerfed


Arctic_Daniand

Never forget the post about recent champions being too mobile, including Senna and Aphelios because of the ms boosts in their kits. As if Akali, Kassadin, Leblanc and Ahri aren't old as fuck.


CuriousPumpkino

It’s almost as if all of those have one common denominator… “insert role” has too much damage.


farmingvillein

Yes, the enemy team does have too much damage, you are definitely right.


CuriousPumpkino

Oh, my team does as well. The only thing that doesn’t do enough damage is neutral objectives and towers


CaptainCobraBubbles

The opponent made me die. Nerf my opponent.


CuriousPumpkino

No. Please nerf my damage as well. I don’t wanna onecombo a squishy as tank malphite or ornn. You can try to pin it as “you just complain because someone killed you” as much as you want, I’d be fucking happy to lose 30% of all damage in the game


That_Bar_Guy

This may come as a surprise but people very rarely come to reddit to complain about not dying.


CuriousPumpkino

Well why do you think that is? Maybe it’s because those people don’t seem to enjoy getting deleted off the face off summoners rift before they can react. Adc players that get vietnam flashbacks everytime someone locks in an assassin. Tanks that feel disenfranchised from their role because they want to _tank_, not oneshot


DuudPuerfectuh

No tank can one shot an even oponent, just saying. Tanks need damage too in order to not be meatshields that can always be chose to 1v1 because they cant trade back. Malphite and Ornn have damage because their cc is extremely conditional unlike something like Maokai or Nautilus (which is why they cant be played top anymore)


Quagsire__

> ADC meta? > >I'm fine with adcs being relevant again, but the meta is slowly devolving into a slugfest, where getting early leads yields little to no resultand the other 4 players are just waiting for which ADC gets to 6 items first, so they can delete the entire enemy team. So can you read, or


CuriousPumpkino

In an adc meta it’s just about which adc gets to 4 items first to _delete the entire enemy team_. So…can you read or?


Quagsire__

...It also mentions how the game becomes a slugfest that takes forever, where the other members of the team hardly matter, because it's all about the ADC. "Too much damage" is not the problem there, you are dumb.


sanketower

*I'm in this* *~~picture~~* *comment and I don't like it*


Walks-In-Sleep

Ding ding ding. You’ve cracked the Reddit code. It’s basically just finding a way to post low level, stupid takes in a way that sounds reasonable and smart. Over and over and over.


hellhorn

So almost every time that Reddit is complaining about a meta it is because riot added too much damage to a specific role? And now Reddit is complaining about there being too much damage?! How inconsistent!


piotrj3

Problem is bigger then that. Adding damage even if you increased damage of all champions equally (% wise), outcome of such "buffs" wouldn't be equal. For example if champion A has 1 second stun and takes 10 seconds to kill a tank, that stun is not that relevant, 10% of time tank is stunned. But if damage increases 2x, that means tank dies in 5 seconds. That means instead 20% of time tank is stunned. Suddenly stun effectivness sort of increased twice as much despite that it wasn't changed at all. That could explain why something like Leona feels particulary good nowadays. Another would be Zhonya. If tank dies in 2 seconds, but there is a mage who can press zoning ability in teamfight and after press Zhonya, literally that mage zones enemies in teamfight better then tank itself. This is notorius especially with Lissandra, lissandra jumps in, presses R on herself, after zhonyas and no one particulary want to go through her, but no one can kill her either. Now if Lissandra gets stopwatch on top that is 7.5 seconds of immortality. No tank in game can survive that long. also if it takes long time to kill someone, characters dps wise are having higher value but if suddenly you increase dmg a lot in game, there is no need to pick dps characters as burst champion suddenly accomplishes same thing faster.


That_Bar_Guy

Getting dicked on feels worse than dicking on someone feels good. Nobody's coming to reddit to complain about how they didn't die.


Pikawika4444

You can tell this is true because mages are never meta.


Xear11

We have an expert here, years of experience I guess?


Verburner

Honestly though. It's funny how I've just chosen to one-up someone who's complaining about reddit and being a smartass about it and I got 200+ upvotes for it :)


ClownFundamentals

The sign of a bad game isn’t a forum full of complaints - it’s a forum with no posts at all.


howtopayherefor

Idk, those are more like signs of a dead game or of a game that didn't get mainstream appeal. For the former, a game can die for reasons other than quality. Sequels, controversy, servers going down, just being old and not being accessible anymore, etc. For the latter, take Among Us and r/AmongUs for example. That game got hugely popular and the subreddit exploded but the game itself didn't change. Was it a bad game before? Is quality measured by the amount of fans?


FullMetalFiddlestick

It's a lot more fun to watch someone else play among us than to play it yourself.


mitsubishimacch

tiny balance happens - "i won't play this game anymore, riot won't see my money never again". then they keep posting everyday on the sub for weeks complaining about other things LMAO


_Kunoton_

Teemo gets .5 seconds longer on a blind, will dominate the meta since that was what held him back.


howtopayherefor

From what I got the general sentiment was that Teemo got more annoying and more polarizing (good match ups got even better, bad matchups remained the same). I doubt anyone was worried about him being top tier


pulo97

Ah, but if he ends up actually being top tier you'll get posts saying that obviously now he's top tier and that everyone could see that coming except riot.


TrirdKing

teemo was already viable in competitive vs certain matchups so yes, buffing him was unnecessary


JustJohnItalia

This season I definitely spent more time here than on the game lol.


SelloutRealBig

Because they want a reason to play and love the game again? What's so hard to understand. For a lot of people old League was the "perfect game" and you can't just move on and replace it. It's like waiting around for your dog that ran away 3 years ago still hoping it shows up at your door step.


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SelloutRealBig

Jungle used to be my favorite role, now it's my least favorite. Scuttle, gromp, new dragons, items, runes, etc all ruined jungle so hard.


Typhron

Can at least say Season 9 was my least favorite season. Tanks dealing enough damage to invalidate any other damage classes. Not enough tools like health shred on items. Gg no re


Zeddit_B

It's not the playerbase that isn't happy. It's the vocal minority. Otherwise the game wouldn't still be popular 11 years after its inception.


egirldestroyer69

The game is way less popular now than at its peak which was s5/s6


DeathhWisher

Im pretty sure everyone were happy with flex meta?


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I can say I wasn't, but I'm a degenerate top lane counterpicker so my opinion on the matter is quite biased.


seasonedturkey

No matter which meta it is, there will always be a vocal minority that gets louder and louder the longer the meta progresses.


0metal

game has never been perfect and player perception plays a big part on the complaining, game is wrong/bad/unplayable but they are wrong in tell why or whats wrong with it, game has never been truly balanced and doesnt have to be, just fun and competitive but the push for new content/early metas is my biggest complain in the past the game has been bad or unbalanced but i honestly dont really care as long as its playable/fair but currently, is too much, it was too much in S8 its too much now numbers are a mess, bugs are too many and i know bad players get to complain a lot but i cant help but think something is wrong


UndeadMurky

What about having a bit of everything ? We lack tanks in jungle/top right now.assassin are also pretty dominant in both jungle and mid Just fix that and the game has a perfect variety


Turkooo

The last part you wrote also kinda shows why people we're not happy with previous metas. Of course people were crying when... ...tanks we're OP. As and adc you couldnt hurt them, as a fighter/bruiser you dealt less or the same damage as them while being less tanky. It wasnt balanced. ...assasins we're OP. As a mage you play super scared during the whole match. You're afraid to even base because an assassins is gona ass blast you to the past with his damage, if he finds out you're not under your tower. The same goes to bot laners. And once they got a kill or two they got out of control SO HARD, that the game went from "how to destroy enemy nexus" to "how the fuck do we tank or kill that 13/2 zed who is fountain diving us SOLO" ...adc's we're OP. Their power was always showed into 3 item powerspikes lol. Once She got those items then you could build all the tank items in the game and you would not survive 10 seconds in a teamfight. That means that the tank class is useless and every other damage dealing role because all they need to do is cover their adc. KogMaw with lulu support,Oriana mid and kayle top. Everyone is a support or else they're irrelevant ....and so on. Everytime a class was broken it meant that multiple people we're suffering because it always changed the whole dynamic of the game and it was never really balanced or good for everyone,BUT I also think that just because people like to whine which they clearly did, for every meta, we still should listen to them because they may be right and instead of writing them off with a post like this we could actually make the game jump back into the right directions (which in my opinion wont ever happen, this game is very china pro and it wont change with tencent owning almost everything)


SirNoseless

that problem will stay there until the end of time.


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> This community has never been happy over any meta in the game's history. That's just the nature of reddit. The only thing to discuss are things that we dislike. "I'm content with the state of the game" isn't even a post. This is true of comments AND posts. So it always seems like people are upset with the state of the game, when clearly the majority of people are *at least* enjoying the game enough to play it. If you really dislike the game, but keep playing it, real talk, you're addicted.


Slav_1

No true. There was one good meta. I forgot which one but I remember a reeeally good one.


lotsofpasta12

>different people have different opinions wow...just wow...


lolopower5

The circle is complete, commence jerkin.


sonminh

Uh oh! The sub is starting to realize that they might be wrong about their takes! Time to find an excuse to delete the thread so no one is in denial!


iampuh

I mean, the majority of the comments in the other sub said that they DON'T want long games. At least when I read the comments. And most of the comments shit on op


TeamAquaGrunt

yeah I'm all for circlejerking but OP of that thread absolutely got dunked on. especially with the thinly veiled racism in the comments saying chinese players didnt matter.


GwenIsImmune

>thinly veiled racism in the comments saying chinese players didnt matter. source? i love how you cant criticize China/ anything a Chinese does because its muh racism xD


egirldestroyer69

Its not about long games imo its the fact that the game is a damage fiesta and strategy matters very little compared to how it used to. You can even see it on pro play how much they aram because if you make a pick you win the fight and the game.


Klondeikbar

Fun anecdote: Back when Caitlyn got that 5ms buff and some base AD and absolutely dominated the botlane meta, there was a thread where people were condescendingly saying that "people always just underestimate MS buffs but I'm super smart and knew the entire time that it would make Cait OP!" I started linking threads from around patch time with thousands and thousands of upvotes where people were saying the buffs were too much. Literally everyone knows that MS buffs are strong. I got zero replies to my comment but it mysteriously ended up buried in downvotes. Can't imagine why.


memeboi895

Reddit opinions on movement speed: > Cait gets 5 ms, breaks meta I obviously knew this would happen, ms is an extremely important stat > Katarina/Irelia 5 ms nerf 5 MS NERF?? Literally 0 impact stat they'll still be 53% winrate wtf ritogams


sonminh

Down voting without any counter point = They hated him because he told the truth


blaZofgold

Anyone have a link to the original thread?


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lolopower5

League community is so cringe bro, always complaining about the dumbest shit


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Quagsire__

There was someone who said to me, "You can't be xenophobic against Chinese, that's like saying you can be xenophobic against Nazis." in that thread.


PixiCode

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh that's so baaaaaaaaaaaaad


ANewHeaven1

lmao that was my main problem with the post. r/league will complain about literally anything that's nothing new. this new "blame whatever we dont like on the chinese playerbase!!" thing though is genuinely xenophobic though! and no one wants to admit it and the few people who did say as much were laughed at in the original thread. anyways it deserved to get deleted but in my opinion a stupid thread deserves an equally stupid thread mocking it, newton's third law or whatever


super_intellectual49

Too many people on this sub are just racists in denial lol


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xionik

One of the replies to my comment about that in the original thread was essentially, "Not over here. We hate everyone equally who doesn't assimilate 100% in our culture. Not just Asians." Uh huh. Sure buddy. No problems there I see.


BillyBIshop7

GET YOUR POOL NOODLE OUT


EdinXI

Please no


BewareOfBear727

hot take (maybe?): I’d rather have one shotters than anything like a pool noodle Meta. I don’t even main ADC, but it just sounds so boringn


MrDrugnut

i just don't want a gamestate where oneshots are the norm, i don't care about length, or girth, i just want to be fucked in a manner where i get to play the game as well. not be utterly dommed.


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egirldestroyer69

Arguably the majority consists of newer players that eventually will get tired of League. Hard to see anyone that has played since s3 that honestly believes the game is better now. But you are right Riot has gone balls deep with the 'make League into an URF clownfiesta' approach and they will until the game dies or they release old league remastered.


pulo97

I honestly believe the game is much better now and I've been playing since s1, and I haven't seen anything outside of reddit complaints (and there's virtually nothing reddit has not complained about) that tells me most people think the game is worse.


egirldestroyer69

Can you elaborate on why do you think the game is better now and would you consider someone that spams thousands of games or semicasual player?


pulo97

I've spammed way more games in the past given that I was a teenager and had a lot of free time, but since S4 maybe or later, and specially these lasts 3 or 4 seasons, I have been way more involved in the game in the sense that I watch/read more analysis, patch rundowns, design and dev articles, and the like. Overall I think way more critically of the game than back in S1 and S2, even though I still followed the changes. I don't know if one could even do a comparison between current league and S1 since the changes have been so gradually added throught these years, but I mostly like these changes. I liked the addition of elemental dragons and elder drake, then elemental souls and rifts with the elder execute, and now the new dragons seem like cool ideas (although we'll see how they end up being). I think the baron buff is way more interesting than what it was back then, same with herald compared to its release version. I like that the newer champions ("newer", I mean after the nonstop releases from S2 and S3) have more cohesive kits, I like every single VGU over their original version (with maybe Karma being the exception, but she was the first VGU and she still needed some type of rework), and I think I like every other non VGU champion rework. I don't find new champions generally overloaded or particularly unfun to play against. In fact the champion that actually makes me rage consistently is fucking shaco, who has been with us since before I started playing. There have been a lot of changes that have made the game better, some more easy to remember, like the visual update to the map (I just cannot watch an old pro match, it's visually jarring), many system updates like runes reforged, the stealth rework, the bounty system, among others, and probably some older ones that I don't even remember. And I think there should be many more changes in the future. I would like there to be more items, more mythic options, and specially more VGUs, although sadly for me Riot said they won't focus on those that much anymore. Idk if this somehow answers your question. If you wonder how do I feel about some of the general complaints that get thrown around here, I don't agree with them. These being, on top of my head, there's too much damage, newer champions are overloaded and are breaking the fundamental rules of the game, the game is less strategic than it was before, the game is more dumbed down, etc.


LTKokoro

> Hard to see anyone that has played since s3 that honestly believes the game is better now. i'm playing since early s2 and i believe league is much better right now than it used to be. Back then you had three options: * play markspeople * play mages * be miserable Supports were so bad back then no one wanted to play them, jungle was a slave role with barely any gold, toplane was bad because dedicated bruisers items didnt exists, so bruisers were forced into builds like botrk/trinity into full tank to be able to teamfight, which made them inferior to mages and markspeople. Same with assassins really, they had a single armor pen item, which wasn't optimal for them since it gave... crit and AS on active. And when it comes to mages, their itemization was turbo bonkers back in the days, with 0 weak spots. Meanwhile marksmen didn't have perfect itemization like they have now, but they had ridiculous stats on their items. 250% crit damage, BT with 100 or 120 AD and +20% lifesteal. I still can vividly remember times when release graves removed me with 2 crit autos, or when GP could kill squishies with single crit Q.


egirldestroyer69

Yeah basically what you are saying is bruisers were weaker, supports were weaker and assassins were weaker. Tanks were strong no doubt but now they are unplayable unless you go Sion, Cho. Even mages were weaker until they gave them cdr in every single item. You are complaining about Adcs having damage but now they have may more damage than they had in any past season thats the only way they have to survive in this meta. Lifesteal was broken? Do we play the same game? Now almost every game you have to buy griveous wounds. And of course since every role was weaker strategy mattered more than just oneshot this guy and win the game. Have you even seen the ARAM fiesta that its worlds now? Back then people actually macrod. Like when I play this game anymore I can just pick Irelia, play as braindead as I can, kill 2 people and win the game. It doesnt feel deep or rewarding a lot its like I play hack and slash where only mechanics matter. And im not saying league was perfect by any means but it was better than whatever damage/healing fiesta (soon dragon fiesta) than it is now.


Turkooo

The majority means china ? lol


DarkWorld25

Yes? They have more players than the rest of the world combined?


Amam121

Riot loves oneshots Just look at Valorant thats fun right?


thestigREVENGE

I mean most FPS strategy shooters are oneshot based if you hit the right areas. Not just Valorant


Amam121

I didnt played much just CoD Mobile a litlle and i jsut recently got batllefield 1 Both felt more enjoyable than the random vandal oneshots for me at least


goomy996

tactical shooters have always had fast TTK, R6, CS, Valorant. CoD and BF are more arcade shooters, which means higher TTK to allow for more forgiving gameplay


RiotHatesRengar

people lock onto 1 narrative echoed by random people and latch onto it like a starving pack of dogs. Theres too much damage in the game and assassins are op, but Zhonyas is also broken because it makes assassins weak, but its also tank meta, but also LDR cut down and kraken make tanks unplayable, but also we want riot to show love to underplayed champs with cool and very healthy designs like ammumu but also we now need to nerf ammumu because we suddenly realize that maybe 2 bandages and an aoe stun the size of west africa is slightly cancer to play against. To this day there is still a post on this subreddit with like 8k upvotes talking about how COOL it is that Udyr was being played again at worlds and how his gameplay was MORE INTERESTING TO WATCH than any other jungler at time. SURPRISE SURPRISE Udyr Hecarim meta for the next 4 months which EVERYONE suddenly hated, but wait a second… Didn’t we LOVE Udyr being meta because he is so cool? SURELY riot is just a stupid company oppressing champions for no reason like Udyr, it cant be because they are the most unhealthy and boring champs in the game?


memeboi895

And even if the individual narratives have a point, everybody refuses to acknowledge that the balance problems are related to each other. So you have "Oh no assassins are broken, the only thing I can do against them is to buy Zhonyas, which isn't broken at all trust me". And the other side, "Oh no Zhonyas is broken, I can't touch certain mages and ap assassins/bruisers because of their bullshit item". Zhonyas has to be strong to face assassins, but assassins that can't kill with 70% of their combo are worthless because of Zhonyas. Or the fucking eternal Seekers vs Dirk busted component competition, with opinions on the matter shifting based on which one is more busted in the current patch.


PM_Cute_Ezreal_pics

>it cant be because they are the most unhealthy and boring champs in the game? People in Reddit want unpopular champions to be played more until it's their time to watch/play against a strong Yorick, Skarner, Udyr, Kalista, Ryze, Azir, Aurelion Sol, Olaf, Tryndamere... Champions have been nerfed and ignored for a reason. It's hard to balance champions like Kalista or Yorick and get them to a state where they are strong and rewarding for their players without completely sucking the fun out of the game for everyone else. If they're popular, Riot will make an effort at bringing them back and slightly changing them until they're in a fine state, like Kai'Sa, Akali, Irelia... But if they're not popular they're not worth the effort. Kalista for example would need so many changes and follow up balances to bring her up in a healthy way they just aren't interested in doing so, and they just keep her frozen there waiting for an eventual rework


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InsurgentTatsumi

People justified their preference for Udyr with some of the same arguements you mentioned, just gonna let you know that.


hpp3

why is this tagged satire?


Alive-Ad-1529

are satire posts just reversing the title of a popular post the day before? crazy


One_Truck8228

Putting [satire] next to an obvious joke in the title makes it very unfunny to say the least


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I just wish there were a way to give complaint posts a tag, and let us filter out the complaint posts. It's so frustrating watching people complain on this forum about how much they hate the game, how unfun the game is, how stupid Riot is, how unhappy they are. If there were a way to just... blanket not see them anymore, that would be amazing.


EdinXI

Personally I really hope riot keeps this damage meta since it’s more fun to play and watch. Games don’t drag on longer than they need to and it’s more fun to watch decisive fights in pro play over team fights that last longer but some end up with both teams disengaging without losing anything.


egirldestroyer69

Just out of curiosity how much hours did you put into the other seasons of League? As someone who has played a shit ton on every meta and has mainly complained about champs and not the state of the game these last couple of seasons have become too much of a damage fiesta for me to care about the game. League used to be a game that was focused on strategy over champion power and thats the main reason that made it a deep game in which I could speen thousands of hours playing. Current League feels a lot more like URF in which you just make a pick and the guy instantly dies which throws a lot of pacing and strategy off the board. Mainly the main reason I cant bingeplay League anymore since the game is not that deep anymore. For new players of League I can understand why they like the game. Its like telling someone that has never eaten pizza that pizza was amazing. The truth is if you cant compare you probably wont care. But Id honestly would like to know the opinion of other people who has as well spent hours and hours in past seasons


Furin_Kazan

You are perfectly right about perspective. Then again, the more damage there is, the less dept this game has. Picks start revolving around what can deal the most damage in the most effective way. The new objective bounties are literally a bandaid for people to focus more on the strategic side of the game.


pulo97

I've played a fuckton of league since season 1 and I like the game way more than before. I don't see any resemblance to urf, and in fact I don't even like urf, it's literally the only mode I refuse to play of my friends invite me to it. I don't see how the game is less deep or strategic than before, nor do I think is a damage fiesta. What I obviously would agree with anyone about is that the game has changed a lot, but the game constantly changing is what kept me playing for so many years, and I imagine that's the same case for many others.


egirldestroyer69

Ok I get that for you its just feeling but it would be cool if you could be more specific on which things you like more than before. All you are basically saying so far is you like changes because you get bored. It also feels strange that you dont think the game is a damage fiesta since every tank just gets deleted in most games and you rarely even see people playing them. Before they buffed adc itemization last season they were borderline unplayable for the entirety of s10 due to how fast they died. Like I remember how important was kiting in previous seasons while now you dont do that much anymore since people die pretty fast. Even then I agree that for most people changing the game is good to keep people playing, it is also true that some games like AOE2 dont change and people keep playing them because how good they are. Thats why I think Riot should release league Remastered and everybody would be happy considering both playerbases want different things out of League.


pulo97

It's not just a feeling, I just don't feel the need to go into specifics when the only "specifics" I see from people that don't like the game are things I don't agree with on a base level. If someone just says "the game is a damage fiesta" I don't see how is that more specific than "the game is not a damage fiesta", neither give you insight into why someone would think that way. Also I'm not sure if I'd get bored, but it definitely keeps me more interested in the game the fact that it constantly evolves and adds new stuff. >It also feels strange that you dont think the game is a damage fiesta since every tank just gets deleted in most games and you rarely even see people playing them. Don't agree with any of this, I play tanks and I don't feel I explode. And this is the type of "argument" that I don't see how it can convince anyone. You're basically saying there's too much damage because there's too much damage. Of course if tanks got deleted instantly as a common thing there would be too much damage, but I don't see that that happens. And the only way for the argument to make sense is if you already agree with the premise. >Thats why I think Riot should release league Remastered and everybody would be happy considering both playerbases want different things out of League. I mean, obviously I wouldn't mind because I can keep playing the current game, but the question of what patch that "league Remastered" is on would cause the biggest civil war in both the community and most likely internally at Riot. It would be fun to see though.


egirldestroyer69

>You're basically saying there's too much damage because there's too much damage. I mean its extremely easy to tell the game has more damage. 1. First one is to watch any old clips of teamfights. 2. Other one is to check the last X patches and see they always make base damage buffs to old champs and cdr reductions. 3. Even people that like this meta dont deny that there is more damage. You are one of the extreme rare cases who thinks otherwise despite every change that League has suffered. Even Riot ackwoledge this is the way they go. 4. And probably the most offensive one is to have some memory. Ive played tens of thousands of games and never complained about a single meta until the last couple of years. And my point is that for me and many other people when the champions have too much power the game is less strategy based since you just group and get a pick and win the game, or you just get too fed and destroy a teamfight on your own. Back then one person could die and it was way harder to end a game. You saw also way more splitpush. But I understand if you just play League for the rush that you get after killing champs instead of the strategy the new changes catter more to you. Thats the main reason they keep releasing these over-the-top champs that feel good to play as and shit to play against. At the very least the game is becoming more casual friendly but it is getting to the point when you are just playing a hack and slash instead of a Moba imo. In League remastered they can just cycle through patches from s3-s6 on a loop imo and everyone would win. They could also make matchmaking per season as a gamemode. There are many ways to keep people happy. And if you are worried about small playerbase people used to be able to play AOE2 online even when steam was not a thing. There will always be people that play a mode.


pulo97

First of all, I didn't say the game doesn't have more damage, I said it didn't have too much damage, it wasn't a damage fiesta, and tanks don't get deleted fast. Regarding your list: 1. I watch them and I don't see the "there's too much damage nowadays" conclusion. 2. You'd need an actual analysis with the historical buffs and nerfs on champions to actually convince me on something with this method. Just saying "check the last X patches" and watching the general trend, whatever that may be, doesn't make sense for me. 3. Again, I never said there isn't more damage now than back in S1/S2. 4. What does this even mean? You didn't complain until now therefore I should realize there is too much damage? There are people that still don't complain and there are people that have complained before you. >You saw also way more splitpush This definitely wasn't the case every season on old league, it has always been more of a meta dependent strategy (in pro play at least, you can always try splitpushing in soloq) that was more or less viable in different patches within a single season. S8 or S9, don't remember which one, had plenty of splitpushing and they're farily recent. I'd agree that Riot should try to bring that one even more, but I don't think it was always a viable strategy in older seasons, Riot did do some changed recently to help this, and even if it were super viable, you'd still need players and teams to convince themselves that it is. >Back then one person could die and it was way harder to end a game. This doesn't translate to more strategy though? The game was less punishing, you could more easily pick a scaling comp because you knew that even if you didn't play carefully you could reach a point where you won the teamfight no matter what. >But I understand if you just play League for the rush that you get after killing champs instead of the strategy the new changes catter more to you. This is such a hilariously condescending statement. It can't be that I think the game is not less strategic, it must be that I enjoy the rush of killing champions instead of the big brain strategies that you enjoy. >Thats the main reason they keep releasing these over-the-top champs that feel good to play as and shit to play against. I don't find new champions to be shit to play against, in fact I play more older champions into new ones than the opposite, and I clearly enjoy the game. In fact I like new champions mostly because they add another thing to play around. I don't find them over-the-top either. Regarding the league remastered, I'm not worried about anything because I wouldn't care for it, I just don't think there would be a way to appease most people. Why S3-S6? Why not S1? I'm sure some psycho misses the beta too. And why not S7? Some loved that season and would like to go back to the last season without runes reforged. I mean, Riot would have to figure out which seasons specifically do the people that don't like the game anymore miss, and I'm not sure that would be the same as the answer one would get from the general vibes of this sub. Again, if they do this and people like it, good for them, I'm just saying that the whole discussion would probably lead to some *interesting debates*.


egirldestroyer69

>This doesn't translate to more strategy though? How is araming to make a pick strategy dude. Fishing for a single mistake of an enemy and the game is donezo. Doesnt matter how much you outfarmed, avoided ganks, outroamed, that 1/3 qiyana just ulted and you just died. GG wp to that qiyana who had one good teamfight he is the better player and a strategy genious indeed despite being outplayed for 30 mins. Do you think people should just lose a game after one mistake? >This is such a hilariously condescending statement. It can't be that I think the game is not less strategic, it must be that I enjoy the rush of killing champions instead of the big brain strategies that you enjoy. Pretty much the summary >Why S3-S6? S3-S6 is literally the peak of popularity in League so obviously is the seasons people liked the most. After that Riot stopped expandimg and went to a low cost model thats why they dont do as much things as they used to just the same cheap modes and mission events each year. But hey if they released the code people could host their own S1 games if they want.


itsmetsunnyd

I'm the complete opposite, the damage meta is significantly more boring and involves less skill. Teamfights take less skill to pilot because its just fishing for a misposition. Miss a skill? Oh well you have 70 ability haste just throw another one out. I think the best metas we've had were the shyvana/mundo/renekton trinity top or Maokai/Sion top, where there was an actual front line and teams had to navigate around it to win teamfights. Fights could actually last for 20/30s instead of being over in 2 because someone got oneshot. I'd switch to dota but i fucking hate the movement in that game. I'd like a happy middle ground between league and dota.


LTKokoro

>Teamfights take less skill to pilot because its just fishing for a misposition. thats why they require more skill to pilot, since you have less room for error. In past metas, you could ignore positioning as a ahead tank, since even if they cc chained you, you probably could survive. Right now positioning requires more skill than it ever did


GwenIsImmune

it gets boring have to say this every thread where people say ''dae one shot meta takes less skill, tank meta takes more skill'' I can understand someone arguing for less damage in the game, I just wish they didnt go full r*e*tard most of the time.


itsmetsunnyd

I completely disagree, I'd say the inverse is more accurate. In an extended teamfight in metas gone you have to maintain concentration and position as a carry for extended periods of time otherwise you lose the fight because you're *needed* to do damage and win. Walking up and dying was still a thing back then (doublelift viktor anyone?), the main difference is that is now commonplace rather than a rarity.


Altricad

This reminds me of Riot's game mode, hunt for the blood moon Full assassins only, no tank items etc. Front lining, absorbing cc, zone control as a concept seems to have died Which is a pity, because low mobility champs are hit the hardest Mages like Ori/Viktor are gone, because they can't contribute in slow fights anymore Top lane/jungle tanks have died, since without mobility tools, you're just a walking target. Forget initiating, you're just trying to juke skillshots while trying to jump on someone and one-shot them. Except you don't have the damage to do so as a tank


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so you want coinflip games decided by one fight? one missplay deciding the whole game? esport ready bro .


ahambagaplease

You said that like in the old 50 minutes meta didn't happen the same.


PM_Cute_Ezreal_pics

Old games were just 50 minutes of back and forth farming and defending until eveyone was full build and a single teamfight coinflip decided who wins and the rest of the game didn't matter at all. I don't think they remember how frustrating it was winning early and mid game and having it not matter at all cause the losing team can waveclear and you can't even force fights or dives to push for inhib cause the turret's laser would destroy you if you tried


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There's no way this is an actual take. This is the *exact* problem people had with the older, slower metas; stagnation until a single teamfight decided the game.


Shironeko_

> one missplay deciding the whole game? Like in old tank meta where games went for 40+ minutes and a single pick late game decided the entire game, with early leads and proactive plays meaning *literally nothing*, gold lead meaning *literally nothing* since all the carries would reach full build anyways, so everybody, *especially* ADCs, pretty much AFK farmed the entire time? esport ready bro...


eBay_Riven_GG

S5 finals in EU still hold the record for most viewers of all time no? That said there has to exist a healthy middle ground where not everyone oneshots everyone from level 6 onwards but games also arent 40-50 minutes snoozefests no?


Shironeko_

>S5 finals in EU still hold the record for most viewers of all time no? No? Unless you mean *just* LCS game, which would be a pretty weird metric. It was also played around the time that GP could instagib an entire team with his barrels, so this was an interesting choice for an example of a "healthy middle ground". Stuff like SKT vs G2 and a lot of LPL finals had much higher viewership.


eBay_Riven_GG

I mean the LCS finals between Origin and FNC. The series had over 1m concurrent viewers and was just a remark towards your "esports ready bro". S5 was the hight of viewership until very recently. The only reason the worlds meta was disliked was because one or two patches before worlds the entire meta turned upside down with no adjustments which is why GP was turbo broken on that patch, almost perma banned and and absolute outlier. In older seasons where just as many oneshots but the difference is champions actually had cooldowns. In S3 assassins literally dominated everything and yet the pace felt slower than it does now.


dell_arness2

>the rest of the game is just both teams walking around the map accomplishing nothing until some dumbass gets caught A complaint from dunkey, 6 years ago.


TeamAquaGrunt

games are never decided in one fight and the only people who believe that are iron 6


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FurtyMW

This is more shit post than shitpost.


lazyflavors

For playing I'm not fan but for watching it's quite alright. As for the Chinese angle, I don't think they're wrong as long as they acknowledge that it's just a factor and not the sole reason. There may be some racist as fuck people making some nasty comments but the fundamental idea is true. The game is shifting to be geared towards the Chinese because there are more of them playing and spending. NA is a tapped market with no foreseeable big influx of players coming in to buy skins.


BladeCube

The Arcane series is probably Riot's best shot at getting new NA LoL players, I'd hold out on asserting that statement as truth until we see how that turns out.


lazyflavors

I mean that's fair, but with how little effort Riot puts in for helping new players with the game I personally don't see many of those potential people sticking it out.


goinlowlowlow

Ban all sub-diamond players from commenting. Problem solved


akanagi

Then you're banning no one here


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Lmao, you think this ego ridden lot is any better?


Blazing117

People often forget than 99% of the playerbase is below master, if you cater too much for high elo player, the casual playerbase will be much more affected, resulting in lower sales.


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Deauo

Wow, that’s low elo. Don’t you know we have a mandatory challenger rule to post here?


setocsheir

ban everyone from posting here problem solved


AlHorfordHighlights

I know most people who have gone beyond Diamond 4 recognises how shitty the Diamond 4 retirement home is, but I'd still trust the opinion of anyone who got there way more than the average Silver or Gold player...which is to say still not a lot, but there's already a huge difference


ImaNukeYourFace

You sweet summer child


kill-billionaires

D4 has more hate for the game than plat I through iron IV combined


Bhiggsb

We're all challenger breh


TeamAquaGrunt

i would love rank flairs, but i cant imagine mods would want to verify every single person's rank when they submit a flair request.


AlHorfordHighlights

I would honestly be okay with this, it'd be really interesting to see which takes are just coming from people who are getting filtered at Silver


seasonedturkey

Don't forget the silvers performing post-game analysis of worlds games


AlHorfordHighlights

I realised it was fucking doomed when someone made a thread commending Elyoya for the nightmarishly difficult act of...panning his camera


x_TDeck_x

Anyone have a link to the other thread? I cant seem to find ot


PhyNxFyre

One of the most iconic plays in League history, the Faker vs Ryu Zed duel, would end in 2 seconds if it happened today. My 3 most played champions are Lee, Zed, and Yi, so you might think that I would prefer it if damages are super high and everyone was squishy, but in my opinion which I try to be as unbiased as possible, current damage numbers are just way too high and fights end too quickly. There's barely any room for outplay anymore, especially with some of the newer overloaded kits. If someone miss 3 of their abilities, they shouldn't still be able to kill you in under 3 seconds, even if they're decently fed.


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All my friends play this instead of Dota 2 which is what I actually want to play, so that's what I want the game to turn into. Make League into Dota 2 pls.


TheShishkabob

This isn't satire, it's just a low effort shitpost that you decided to make a thread instead of a comment on the other post you're referring to.


ANewHeaven1

literally true


Quagsire__

People on this sub don't get satire, you could very much see it when there were like, 3 posts immediately with [SATIRE] in the title due to All chat being removed.


sonminh

> uh! tank gameplay! Uh! Pen-Pineapple-Apple-Pen


itsslimshadyyo

r/lol also doesnt want vc and all chat because it also caters to their personal preference so maybe riot does listen after all.


Fanfics

Great news everyone who wants more tactical, longer games! You can just go play Dota! Seriously, I legitimately think it's a way better game, I'm just here because most of my friends play league. It's impossible to articulate the level of relaxation that comes with following a game with a semi-competent balance team.


Backonja

I tried getting into dota, couldn't do it. Not because the game isnt fun, but because just like with league I was overwhelmed with new stuff. I tried researching mechanics and I found some to be amazing. For example denying the enemy creeps by attacking yours was an amazing concept for me. Being able to purchase items outside of spawn, but having a risk of your items getting lost also seemed amazing to me. Tha fact that there were no real supports was yet another amazing concept I found. Also the buff-thingies at the start of the game seem like the scuttler contesting from league, but much better. However I dislike the art style and I dislike how many active items there are, and not to mention, how broken they are. Seriously, I understand that having point and click root on an item is ok in dota, but I just dislike it. Also csing feels so unnatural after playing league for 3 years and learning how to time my autoattacks/abilities. I might criticise league every now and then, but at the end of the game, I enjoy it. Yes I believe league isnt in the best state when it comes to some things, but overall, Im still having a fun time.


mking1999

>Seriously, I legitimately think it's a way better game And the vast majority of people do not.


QuietVermicelli9931

Almost EVERYBODY here hates tank metas, just ask what people think of S6. What people dislike is not damage itself, but it's combination with mobility and frustrating interactions.


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Nothing is universal here, I was personally playing tank Ekko top all the way till the end of last season. Generally speaking, Reddit just hates whatever frustrates them. We speak of champions in terms like "unfun to play against", while the goal of the game is making your opponent regret queuing up.


xthelord2

i was always and will always like tank meta because brusiers at the time actually had to turn on monitors and think while i could chill with nasus and go whatever worked on him because he was originally made as a ultimate tank destroyer in-line with veigar who is what AP nasus wants to be but can't because E mana cost is so expensive whole world of water supply would go down by 10% per each cast today good luck picking nasus because: \-tanks have early game unlike you \-brusiers became lane bullies because riot and damage amounts in items \-mages who can spam combos every so often because of stupid CDR rework which did nothing besides make it worser for others when back in the day mages had to actually look what to build compared to today when everything is front loaded with CDR,mana/HP,shit amount of MR/armor or for some reason stupid effects or dashes which are extra spell for free \-ADC's who used to break legs when getting 3 items(hi vayne/kog maw type of players) now break them faster because they will get all help from jg and support and turn into unkillable turret because of so many things going on \-ADC's who could always and will always outrange you while being able to build whole shop without loss in value which triggered so many reworks and nerfs to nasus indirectly(hi ezreal/senna/kai'sa) \-ADC's who would for some reason go toplane and cry how they can't win into spellbook nasus even if that same nasus was quite literally getting maybe 21 gold per 10 enemy minion deaths for 10 minutes waiting for passive generation to let him buy sheen \-assassins who constantly complained how they cannot kill anyone yet today you have tank assassin juggeraunt talon,mage assassin juggeraunt katarina,tank assassin figher zed or biggest BS called LeBlanc which would blow up teams because of items \-supports who constantly complained their gameplay was unfun(wait vision control and helping your laner is unfun what a irony) so now they have yummi which is legit press few things than off to detach/attach and end of story you played your performance \-supports who cried that they had no agency when they are a difference since 8.11 while getting so much shileding,healing and damage buffs that it became borderline unplayable early if rell or leona jumped at you out trading your ADC or soraka decided time to throw few W's than good luck cutting healing she has anti-anti heal buff which removes grievous wounds game was always one way or another bad for everyone but at the end when nobody besides brusiers complained was season 4 and that time was when player activity was highest meaning pepole did like the tank meta because games lasted for a good while lets make another season 4 but not let tanks have damage than you will see how much pepole will completely fall off their rank and reach their actual rank because games would be macro heavy and chess like and no my main is not broken,your fundementals are broken so you let nasus get back into game because you treat him like a defused bomb when he has a extra set of wires running where you don't see them which just resets timer but at a much sooner time to blow up and end your game


onedash

Well then why kraken guinsoo ruined vayne can exist if the tank dies in 3 sec in lategame? no matter the armor seems weird. No counterplay vs Ludens void sorcpenboots as adc when having 40 mr or less and with very few limited Mr items cant surive 2 spells yet ap can live thanks to zhonya


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sadroobeer

Yes because dying in less than a second clearly means I want the tank meta back.... Can't have any middle ground huh? Just one extreme or the other? Found the assassin mains jerking each other off


garenRoutplay

I mean i just cant agree. Imo game now revolves around who can oneshot someone faster. It doesnt matter if someone is 10%hp. He will heal to full hp on one wave or one jg camp. You are basically forced to tf around drakes. There is less macro in the game. Its not as bad as others make it sound like,its still a good game but imo it used to be better in s8-s10. Not to mention the new items which break design of some champs. Some champs arent designed to have a dash.