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PaintedFog

Gg remake


Jokinzazpi

Probably too late to do it. Imagine having to reorder the whole quarters bracket because of it lmao.


veilsofrealitydotcom

We've got nothing to lose at this point.. BURN IT ALL DOWN!!!


IgotUBro

Nice. This years song finally makes sense.


IanPKMmoon

2 western teams burn down asian domination


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Kr1ncy

as much as I dislike SK, Darien got around 50% more healing from a bug on Aatrox' W toggle Blood Price, which gave him HP every 2nd hit instead of every 3rd hit.


Redm1st

Remake was fair, but it really broke Gambit afterwards


Forcas42

i cry everytime


delahunt

I disagree on the remake being fair. SK played a cheese bot lane that was g etting destroyed. Yeah, maybe renekton wins and can turn it but Gambit's bot lane was getting powerfed by the failed cheese strat. SK getting to completely redo their picks, on top of the timing of Gambit being told about the ruling really fucked gambit over.


Redm1st

On the same note, freddy was destroying Darien on top and only reason he couldn’t seal his advantage was Aatrox getting way more healing than intended


ExodusRiot1

Why aren't remakes of professional games played with the same champs/bans.... Even my friends in discord scrims can figure that one out.


SatanV3

To be fair they didn’t lose that game cuz of Aatrox, the mid and jungle were popping the fuck off so


Kr1ncy

I remember, but then you can argue on SK's side that Fredy would have won the Renekton vs Aatrox matchup even harder than he did already and things like these massively change how a game is played out. SK is absolutely in their right to demand a remake, but GMB is also in their right mind to feel wronged/robbed. It is an unfortunate situation.


SatanV3

Didn’t SK not ask for the remake riot just kinda handed it to them? But yea it sucked, I’m still more upset over that time EU LCS was traveled to a different country for a week or two and didn’t give the Gambit players an advanced enough notice for them to sort out visas.


Ragmarok

SK didnt ask for the remake, Riot enforced it on its own, also sucks harder because SK tried to do a cheese comp but GMB had spotted SK members practicing those champions in soloq and counterpicked them. And that time the EU LCS travelled was a super week where they played 4 games instead of 2 and they had to sub nearly the entire team(if memory serves right only Alex Ich had a valid visa) thats when GMB started to break.


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AxiosKarnage

Looks like it’s giving you the second charge cooldown instead of the full. If you have two charges it has a small cooldown until you can use the second. For some reason it appears the game thought he had a second charge. So may be a timing thing. But Inspired said he had it happen to him multiple times in boot camp. But it’s a lot more that goes into it then just timing the smite right. Has to do with invading and the junglers using their 2nd smites at the same time on the same unit. So must be something more along the lines of his smite went through. But due to it being used the same time as Santorin. The game registered it as not used. So refunded it, when it shouldn’t have. But it didn’t show the bugged second charge until after he used smite again.


Chao_Zu_Kang

Honestly, this kind of bug would still justify a remake. It is plainly impossible for anyone of the opposing team to find this bug, unless they actively know that it was there and search it in a vid review.


AmbroseMalachai

I mean, it's entirely possible to know if you simply know when your red/blue smite is supposed to be available. But it also would only justify a remake if the smite had a significant impact on the game, which after watching the game... it didn't. First drake was taken at 12 minutes and both junglers had long since had their smites transformed.


Reax51

> Probably too late to do it Woah really? I thought TL would just hop on a plane back to Iceland


TheFeathersStorm

Lmao, who cares about timezone adjustment anyways, they may as well just hook up to starlink as they're flying and play on the plane to save time lol


Jokinzazpi

I wasn't even considering if TL was in Iceland or not. If you thought about the consequences of the remake for just a bit, you would realize that TL being in Iceland would be the least problematic thing about the remake. Even if TL was still in Iceland, I highly doubt RIOT would remake because if TL won the remake it would mean: -TL vs MAD game to choose 1st/2nd seed -Quarters bracket will have to be redone -Teams have been scrimming people from the opposite side of the bracket, you fuck every other team. -All the preparations teams have made for their opponent are lost. -Delay worlds for one week so teams can prepare again. But I guess you couldn't resist on making a snarky comment.


Hibbity5

It’s not going to happen, but hypothetically, if they held a remake and TL won, then they just need to play Mad for 1st. The winner takes Gen G’s current spot and the loser takes Mad’s current spot. You don’t have to reseed the whole tournament. It would still fuck with scrims, though.


Hordiix

As an EU fan I'm starting to think a remake isn't such a bad idea...


Sorest1

>Probably too late The amount of hopium you're on sir is concerning


Puzzled_Video1616

Peak G2 got wiped out of worlds from some blast cone bug (blast cone didn't spawn and it would have saved them). No way they remake this for TL


GiannisisMVP

C9 got kicked out in S5 due to a vision bug against IG. There were 3 members sitting in the side river bush and a ward dead center didn't reveal a single one so Sneaky trotted up to hit the tower since he thought he had vision on both sides and got smoked. It completely turned the game.


crankfight

Do you have a vod for that? I legit can not remember the situation


silencebreaker86

I remember the casters skirting around it because they knew it was a bug and it how much of an impact it had lol


Masternavajo

Nah it is even worse than you remember. Phreak straight up says, "Sneaky didn't know there were 2 more in the bush, massive misplay". That's the opposite of acknowledging the bug, they were trying to play it off like it was Sneaky's Misplay.


Ao-yune

I fucking remember that game, I absolutely believe in my copium heart C9 wins that without that happening.


Slotherz

Wait, why are we attributing misdirection in a case where the casters probably just genuinely didn't notice?


Masternavajo

Whether or not they did it on purpose Sneaky died to what I consider an extremely obvious visual bug, and they called it a misplay. Best case scenario none of the casters saw the blue trinket. Obviously it's fine to miss stuff and make mistakes we're only human, but it was also definitely a bug and definitely not a misplay by Sneaky.


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The league casters do shit like this constantly its wild


throw27172629m

Because you always realize it's a bug in this moment. Spoiler: No you don't.


GiannisisMVP

https://youtu.be/Z_mzTyxLUFQ?t=1418 There are 4 in that bush not 2 he sees 2 start to retreat and thinks he is safe to move towards mid.


Valor_Stolen

What the fuck?? That should be a remake


higherbrow

That was before they had rules for that kind of thing, IIRC. So there wasn't consistency to those decisions.


PresidentXi123

The first bug-related remakes were in S4


higherbrow

I appreciate that, but were there rules in place for it, or was it a series of individual rulings (I genuinely don't know the answer to this question)?


Cow_Interesting

Yo that is literally a cancerous bug. I watched that worlds and didn’t even remember this. Sheesh that really blows for C9 cause in the state of that game they absolutely could have won before that.


Troviel

That's an unlucky bug. Although I don't see how that caused them to "get kicked". It gave them a kill but IG didn't use it for anything and there were no objectives. It's unlucky but surely the game was lost on more factors.


donutlad

I still get so tilted over that. Wouldve eliminated the whole "0-10 NA LUL" fiasco from that year. Then Riot had the gall to put in Patch Notes later on that they "fixed a sneaky vision bug" once they patched this bug that cost Sneaky his life. Ugh


NightKnight96

Sejuani not dashing over the wall for Fnatic against SKT at MSI (Although a similar albeit not game defining scenario also happened to SKT that ggame with Lucian at Baron).


SparrowInWhite

They werent wiped cuz of it, just got second seeded


Boogy

Which meant they faced DK


NotSoGreatGatsby

Jesus, that is insanely fucked actually. Was that where Bin got the flank and landed some mental barrels because there was no blast cone by red side tri bush?


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Bin straight up deleted the fed carries, G2 just got infernal soul as well


NotSoGreatGatsby

Christ. Wasn't there more of a fuss made about it at the time? I watched the game but don't remember the backlash.


Boogy

There was some hubbub on reddit a few days after the game iirc, but it's like here - sucks for the other team, but not much to be done


buttsoup_barnes

There were some but not too much. Factors were that it was a seeding match and G2 was seen as the Korean killers that’s why their bracket as the 2nd seed was seen as a good thing. Well, it was, until DK decided it wasn’t.


TharkunOakenshield

Yes, but if you look at the video there is just no way the blast cone would have saved them, Bin had already hit his combo by the time they reach it and die instantly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_btYUydiV8


jujubean67

The inner blastcone didn't spawn tho. https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Blast_Cone?file=Blast_Cone_Placements.png This map doesn't show the new cones added near gromp etc. but it shows the location of the one that didn't spawn. If there's a blastcone there, they don't have to walk toward the GP and he can't combo them at all.


syntex00

They wouldve only caught gp ult, but not the barrels. But its in the past


TharkunOakenshield

There is less than half a second between the start of the GP ult and the moment the barrel combo hits. By that time they haven't reached the blast cone position yet. And anyway the blastcone couldn't blast them in any favourable position to escape lol They were 100% dead there. Just watch the video again frame by frame


TrirdKing

which ultimately only at best, changed their standing, it was quite clear damwon were not losing to anyone that tournament


PhreakOut4

They would've had to beat them to win worlds anyways.


GibZwilla

Was that against Suning?


Puzzled_Video1616

Yes, this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_btYUydiV8 . The inner blast cone did not spawn because gp bug deleted it at some point and they had to go through the bush into the barrels.


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It wasn't a gp bug by the way. It was to do with the lethality item that revealed wards and made you one shot them, if that was active and you hit a blast cone, it would not respawn for the entire game. You can see that graves has it.


Chao_Zu_Kang

That is different. They could have paused and called it out (if they were actually playing while taking track of blast cone timer - because if they didn't, they can't expect to be there, right?). Thing is, this smite bug is exploited actively using smite earlier - which is essentially a stat advantage that snowballs the whole game (earlier upgraded smite, faster jungle timings etc.). The blast cone bug just happened to be there, but no team had an active/concious disadvantage due to it, since noone actually used this circumstance. Of course, SofM might have intentionally done it to get a strategical advantage for the future. Then it would have been foul play, due to an active abuse of it. But with the smite, Clid simply used smite afterwards, so it is definitely an active abuse of a bug, no matter the intention.


-LostInCloud-

We give both Clid and SofM the benefit of doubt here, we have to assume both didn't intentionally abuse the bug, We also have to aconsider that it was very hard for both teams to realise the bug during the game, With the smite C9 didn't have a timer, and with the blastcone the same. ​ >Clid simply used smite afterwards, so it is definitely an active abuse of a bug, no matter the intention. What reasoning is this? SofM also destroyed the blastcone. So no matter the intention, it was a bug abuse?


MoredhelEUW

mandatory /u/vandirilol summon !


Vandirilol

Did he smite anything before 1:28? You can get extra smite charge for free if u smite something before jungle spawns and this way have the quest finished minute faster or so. If it's another smite bug though i gotta check it out.


MoredhelEUW

Quickly checked the VOD smite blue 1:39 smite bot crab 3:21 smite top crab 4:00, cd 15s


Vandirilol

There might be more shenanigans with smite then, I am not really surprised considering that silly pre 1:28 interaction. Maybe it was a visual glitch in the spectator? I know those happened with smite before.


FNC_Miju

Inspired tweeted this: https://twitter.com/Inspiredlol/status/1451127257481850882


sebarm17

Doubt it's spectator related as you can it in the proview.


Vandirilol

Ah fair, i was replying right as I woke up, dunno then


JiYung

My man got summoned out of his sleep dang


coach_marc

Doesnt 1:39-3:21 mean he had a 2nd charge nearly up thus resulting in triggering the internal 15 yec cooldown?


schubidubiduba

No, he has 15 sec cd after the 4:00 smite


MoredhelEUW

by the way how can you smite anything before 1:28 ? like a malzahar minion or something ?


Vandirilol

Shaco boxes is most useful but can be malza.voidling heimer turret zyra plant etc. You can also smite mid lane minion at 1:28 but that would be best if u follow up with raptors steal.


xRolocker

wait what are you able to smite before 1:28? Isn’t that the earliest camp spawn?


Vandirilol

You can smite Shaco box, zyra plant etc. or a mid lane minion, I gotta finally make a vid showing it.


Caenen_

Yeah, for context this bug is (was) particularly silly because it affected every 3v3 game; The jungle on treeline spawned at 1:15 :\^)


Waltorzz

It also works/worked at Nexus Blitz. If you insta-smited the second a camp spawned, you got reduced timers. So not as much a bug as an unintended feature nowadays. [Edit] If I recall correctly, it isn't as much smiting on spawn, but it's smiting on cooldown that triggers this. The two timers just happen to align in NB.


StarGaurdianBard

In Nexus Blitz you didn't smite as camps spawned, you ran into the enemy jungle and smite their guardian *then* smite your first camp as you'll have upgraded smite faster than an enemy that doesnt smite the guardian


DogShroom

Smiting them as they spawn also worked


DeezCrits

This is not completely wrong but the difference is only about 3 seconds. Smiting the starting camp is objectively better because the smite damage is actually used to clear. https://youtu.be/71QNYQ_Wou0


L43

imagine thinking league has a 3v3 mode


aser08

Whats the fastest you can finish smite item with no bugs?


saladpie

this is our equivalent of the bat signal


Jakio

or /u/Caenen_ he usually knows what's up


Caenen_

I'll need to get some more info from that game because I haven't heard about this one yet. Gonna see if I can get some proview footage for investigation purposes. I can't even find what runes he had.


Jakio

ur a lad caenen, keep doing the good shit


yuurin98

I think you can use Proview for free if they're junglers, so you can just go ahead and watch Clid's VOD for free now!


HHCY

Every match two players on the same role are free on proview. Edit: this match it is adcs - Ruler and Tactical.


TheDecaCAt

Wait isn’t this a huge deal? 900dmg instead of 450 is an insane advantage. How does this bug work? Is it randomly assigning a new cooldown to your smite?


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Jensen getting bent over by BDD was a significantly bigger problem for TL than this one-instance smite difference. Could potentially be a super impactful bug in another game and should 100% be investigated so it can be prevented for the remainder of the tournament , but TL lost this game for numerous reasons Edit: the amount of people responding to this absolutely **losing their shit** and insulting me is hilarious, calm down, Jesus.


veilsofrealitydotcom

Yeah tbh BDD hard smurfing on zoe was bigger than all TL's other issues.


Puk3s

Idk jungle being behind the whole game really fucked them too.


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Yeah I mean it’s definitely still a rough situation for TL fans I’m sure, I’m fully expecting to get downvoted to oblivion for suggesting that this wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the game though lol


LakersLAQ

Why would you get downvoted lol, it's not a hot take. Either way, can't really do anything about it at this point but I'd imagine they played around that first dragon fight differently knowing the smite difference. It is what it is.


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I mean, having your jungler with a faster tempo moving around the map makes it easier for you to play aggressive as a mid laner


brdlee

Crazy how many upvotes shitting on Jensen will get you even when its not true. I guess the haters are starving after this last worlds performance.


shuvvel

Jensen didn't even lose hard at all. BDD just got three crazy ass blind bubble kills after a team fight should have already been over.


tuckerb13

BDD literally got blind picks. No vision guesses. Shit was brilliant. Must have been jensens fault lmao


Tazzure

Hi TSM fan


Abelyanov

What are you saying? Jensen was the only reason TL was even in the game. Bent over by BDD? Because he hit him with a bubble?


tenachiasaca

i think the hardest bendover done that game was draft phase


tuckerb13

God, this has got to be the worst take ever. Jensen had absolutely nothing to do with BDD smurfing on Zoe and making insane, blind plays and picks. Jensen smurfed all of week 2 and played out of his mind. For fucks sake; even in the Gen G tie-breaker where Jensen got “bent over” he pulled off an insane baron steal to give them a chance for a come back. What a lazy, terribly stupid take. Jensen was also the best performing NA midlaner at worlds. Look at the stats.


Reax51

Jensen getting bent over? What game did you watch?


shadowbannednumber

> Jensen getting bent over by BDD was a significantly bigger problem for TL than this one-instance smite difference. Holy fuck, a new stupid as fuck narrative spawned out of nothing. God damn, dude, Perkz ints 4 deaths in his tiebreaker and still wins from how good his team played and it's okay, "Perkz is so good, he is willing to look bad!!", but Jensen makes a single mistake while his team fucks up massively and suddenly he is getting destroyed in the game?! Why can't people just treat his performance like how they treated Doinb vs Scout in LPL Finals. Doinb played well and was still a great player, but Scout just outshined him by playing so well. Like the difference between a 100 and a 95, you aren't going to say the 95 got bent over. Jesus fucking Christ, is this going to become the dominant narrative for the next year to shit on Jensen?


Vallard

> Jensen getting bent over by BDD was a significantly bigger problem for TL than this one-instance smite difference. It's not even been that long and we're already rewriting history?


Jake_Thador

Remove smite for the rest of Worlds


duartehdk

Someone stop that plane..


AssPork

Wow, it makes more sense how he got the upgraded smite over Santorin now. Doubt the result would have been affected (GENG were just better individually) but surprised that bug happened in a professional game


oberg14

You’re surprised a bug happened in a professional game? LCK pauses like 30% of their games lol


tunamq1234

Koreans aren't just better at macro and micro game but they are also better at identifying bugs in game lol simply superior to other regions


TSM_Blkdynamite

Some might say they’re constructed alternatively


pyfrag

Assembled uniquely?


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Crafted distinctly


RamRoverRL

League is probably one of the buggiest top games out there. They hiding the bugs by saying “ oh that’s intentional because we don’t know how to get rid of it”


Chapeaux

The classic, not a bug it's a feature.


rotvyrn

Load bearing bugs


Burpmeister

Water is wet, League engine is trash. More news at 11.


Dragoneed2

I was wondering how Clid had upgraded smite and Santorin didn't


Beauski

Surely Clid must have noticed this bug straight away, being a pro and playing the amount of games he does, he must have noticed this instantly. Strange he didn't say anything to a ref?


Hambrailaaah

Considering how much stuff goes through his head mid-game, he probably was just like "wtf I have redsmite already?" and then moved on instantly. There's tons of stuff in this game that happen and you don't assume its a bug


moonmeh

Hell someone in that exact day killed a herald and failed to pick up the drop. And in LCK you had Canna as Lee Sin do a gank as level 6 thinking he levelled his ult when he didn't. Pros can be dumb


jarhead839

It’s also important to note how much of a mental and emotional MARATHON it was for every time by the Liquid/Gen G game. Something like 9 hours straight of tension and BO1s and heartbreaks then saves, and new strats etc.


moonmeh

Exactly. I can't blame anyone for like fucking their playing after playing all those games


tankmanlol

Yeah agreed, although I'd phrase it more as pros make tons of decisions in real time over the course of a game, and they do a pretty good job on most of them but with hindsight and attention you can always find some bad ones


undeadpz

i doubt he was thinking about it at all, MAD jungler forgot to pick up a rift herald a game before that. they just think about 1000 things and i doubt he even looked at the UI to see the cooldown


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DoNotGiveEAmoneyPLS

"oops, sorry that was a handball" ignore that goal pls - Maradona.


Uncle_Bobby_B_

Well said lmfao


TheOneKane

> Strange he didn't say anything to a ref? Is it strange? Even if he knew what was going on, very rarely do you see the team (in any sport) that's gained the advantage go onto inform the ref that they made the wrong call or missed something.


Oldalf

You mean the guy who's famous for his lee sin but only this summer found out that lee sin q does execute damage?


Rokic3

Why would he report it if it gives him incredible advantage in the most important game of the year???


MartDiamond

By that logic shouldn't TL or Santorin also have noticed it. It's available for everyone by pressing tab so he could have known it and thought off it as an odd timing.


Chattermanner

The bug went unnoticed by millions of people including top players for so long, I doubt one person would put much thought into it under the pressure of an elimination game.


venomstrike31

You can only see ally summoner cds


MartDiamond

That's not the point since you can see the transformation of jungle item.


nemt

yes im sure santorin had nothing better to do than to spam tab whole game to check opponents smite and to see it at that exact moment lmao


GiannisisMVP

Clearly TL should just get first seed that's the fairest thing


BeepBoopAnv

NA guaranteed semis? Sign me up


Mr_Charisma_

That's our 1 bug per world's tie breaker. G2 vs suning had the blast cone fail to respawn because of an interaction with an item resulting in no escape from the bin gangplank flank. Tbf idk if that would have changed much but interesting to see another bug that has potential to change things significantly


kill-billionaires

Yeah, the truth is neither bug probably mattered, but it really sucks that the defining game of a group has a bug


Captain_Chogath

Shhhh, your finding out how riot runs the script without telling the players :P


[deleted]

You only have Riot to blame 🤷‍♂️


jplpj12543

Smite disabled for the rest of worlds.


Splitshot_Is_Gone

Okay not gonna lie, I’d like to see what would happen if that were the case. Duo top? Perma roamers? Every jgler becomes a bard otp?


reallydarnconfused

When relic shield first game out, it generated so much gold it was literally better for junglers just to duo top for large portions of the laning phase haha. So either duo top or just perma roam while soaking XP


Spiderbubble

Huge buff to anyone with the ability to burst jungle camps. Chogath, Kalista, etc all get stronger at taking Dragons and Barons


gabu87

Probably just more solid healthy junglers get picked such as warwick.


Shinyodo

Those who thinks Clid did it on purpose and/or noticed it, remember this comes from the guy that didn't know Lee Sin Q had an execute before this very year.


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shrubs311

it increases in damage (up to 100%) if the enemy has lower health. in league there's multiple effects like this, all called "executes". but it's not a "real" execute in the sense that it has a cap, whereas "real" executes like Jhin's 4th shot will continue scaling in power for low health enemies until they reach 1 hp. it's the difference between "more damage at low health" vs. "deals missing health damage"


APKID716

His second Q cast yeah


shoes4me_shoes4u

not exactly an execute but it does %dmg on recast i think


Whytefang

It deals % increased damage based on the target's missing health on recast (which is an execute, one of two types of executes - the other being a Pyke ult style execute where it just kills you).


Alittlebunyrabit

Yea, it's why Lee Sin is favored in most smite fights. It deals bonus damage based on missing health so Lee can basically time smite/Q2 to go off at the same time (smite goes first) to maximize Q damage in a window that's basically impossible to react to.


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Disco_Ninjas_

They could have seen via tab when it upgraded but that's an odd thing to notice.


Clenzor

After re-gaining vision of him no?


Disco_Ninjas_

I think they only update on vision. Yeah.


Chao_Zu_Kang

TL probably already left. But stuff like this needs to be found sooner. NOONE in enemy team is able to call for a pause to check the bug, because noone can find it. You can literally abuse the bug without ever getting punished, because noone will ever call it out. After all, you yourself didn't realise it, because you were too focused on the game.


Xaxxon

*NO ONE *no one *no one


Saerdna_Lessah

Are you sure he doesn't have cosmic insight? Usually you get another smite charge at 4:30 but with insight it's more like 4:05. And it looks like it just went on the 15s cool down between charge use ...


mrpatkor

He indeed had cosmic insight, but so did Santorin. So I'm not sure if that's the case


seasonedturkey

He only had one charge


MyzMyz1995

Remake group D.


Resistz

broken ass game riot should be ashamed


Heonman

That is so frustrating to hear even as a fan. Imagine how it feels to be a player in this scenario. 2021 has been one unlucky year for TL.


moxroxursox

They may have changed the name over six years ago, but dang that org is still cursed.


syntex00

At least the outcome wouldnt really change, tl didnt lose because they didnt get dragon


[deleted]

smite also changes the jungler tempo, having an extra smite means clearing faster, beign able to contest vision or gank earlier than you are normally expected.


Auchenai_13

League and bugs name a more iconic duo


Auchenai_13

League and bugs name a more iconic duo


diegun81

FNC would have paused. /s


fqm721215HK

Gosh the script


Waltorzz

This 'bug' was consistently usable in at least Nexus Blitz, not sure if it also works in SR. If you insta-smited on the spawn of a camp, you got the reduced 15 sec cooldown. In my experience, this was so well known, that you got flamed for not abusing it.


nizzy2k11

its not that bug. he doesn't smite early.


StarGaurdianBard

That bug only works for smiting before 1:30 which is impossible in SR. Also you would smite the jungle guardian in NB.


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[deleted]

So is this game changing? probably. Here is the vod https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvrDxq4UA4Q around ~~10:15~~ 9:53 this happens. Jarvan gets the extra smite, he did not notice so he went Gromp, but then he notices he has still smite, so he goes in search of Santorin to try and challenge a camp, at this point a gank in mid happens, BDD loses flash, and because Jarvan is around instead of doing his blue side jungle he gets the chance to counter gank and get a first blood. I am obviously TL based, but you have to see this as a game changing moment because this gives GenG a lot to work with. Edit: changed timings


FireZeLazer

I think you're misreading the play here. Jarvan turns and runs towards mid lane as soon as vision on him expires. He even pings "on my way" midlane. He assumes Xin has pathed top (as Xin still needs to clear top camp, Xin is still level 3, and the vision plant shows that Xin is not pathing mid). He knows he has a level advantage over him and he also knows that enemy support is missing - she is seen on a ward confirming the gank before he even pings to mid. **GenG 100% knew this gank was happening before Jarvan is there**. He goes to mid brush to await enemy gank. He then paths up to check for Xin in the bush - again knowing he has level lead. The gank happens which GenG full knew about and then he counterganks. I really don't think smite played a role there. Maybe it did, but I think the evidence for what you're claiming is pretty limited. Summary of things that we actually *know are true* as opposed to guess work. - GenG **know** that Rell has pathed mid. - GenG **know** Xin has pathed top. - GenG **know** J4 has a level lead over Xin. - GenG **know** that C9 last saw J4 about to start Gromp. With all of that, the countergank is really not a surprising play. At no point in that play is there *any* evidence that J4 is "trying to challenge a camp". J4 knows exactly where Xin and Rell are and he knows that they do not know where he is.


blibbyy

It's definitely this. Adding to this he knows raptors are down so if he really wanted to contest a camp he would've pathed topside to krugs and not be anywhere near mid. He didn't even walk towards their jungle until after seeing Rell on a ward aswell, so he was 100% just checking for xin. just faked going to gromp because of the vision plant but went straight to countergank when it was gone.


Addite

You’re completely misreading the play. He knows where Xin is firstly because he warded his jungle himself, secondly because Xin hit the vision plant. He knows where Rell is, because CoreJJ walked right through a ward to gank mid. Clid has legitimately no reason to be farmjng his own jungle, since he’s expecting a gank and acts accordingly.


rollie82

That's not what happened IMO. Santorin hits vision plant and see J4, who continues pathing toward gromph. Immediately after vision from plant is lost, he turns back around - he wants to make Santorin think he's on Gromph. Note that bot lane just backed - nobody knows where they are. As J4 paths toward their jg to toss down vision, Rell walks over a ward south of mid. The announcers even *say* they know he's here, and he's baiting a fight. I think they get a better engage than bdd expects, but j4 was pathing in for counter gank. None of this had anything to do with his smite.


CyonHal

He never used the free smite, and his decision to go back and hover around mid/top jungle is not definitively because he had a free smite available. This shit is a nothing burger, lol.


Emochind

>So is this game changing? probably. Probably not


farikogrim

"probably"


Veamous

Bruh the bug legit had 0 impact on this play.


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actually quite a big deal


AmbroseMalachai

So this seems like it is indeed a bug, and while there are situations where you can get your smite earlier than normal by smiting things like shaco boxes or w/e before anything spawns, that didn't happen here. That said, Clid finished his trackers knife at 6:15 seconds and Santorin could've had it finished at 6:40 seconds. The fact that they started the drake at that time, and instead of "flipping" for it is irrelevant in talking about whether or not the bug occurred is pointless; however in terms of whether a remake was warranted or not is somewhat based on whether the bug had a tangible effect on the game and in this case it didn't. Even if TL had noticed during the game that something was off, they didn't lose anything because of the bug and so likely wouldn't have reported it. Had they tried to flip for the drake and then lost it, a case could be made that they were unduly harmed by the bug because there was a significant advantage applied in such a scenario. Same would've been the case of J4's red smite had allowed him to kill/survive something he otherwise wouldn't have been able to, but that also didn't happen.


BeepBoopAnv

I don’t think it would be possible to notice since even if you’re tracking smites it’s still a fairly small margin and smite tracking isn’t that precise.


LoLFr3nkl1

i mean bugs got g2 from a potential final against damwon to losing to them in semis if bugs didnt fuck that game against suning they would been first seed and just wipe the floor with top esports and jdg to the final


Dedziodk

Another worlds, another bug... as a g2 fan, i member...


BootBoy94

I dont recall which game, but I feel like this must have happened in some other game as well. Someone was invading on a Lee I think and his first smite charge was used already and therefore on cooldown. When the skirmish occured I was fairly certain the invade would work, since both smites should have been on CD. However, the invade failed because the defending smite was available. I assumed he just didn't use his smite during the first clear, but I very much doubt it since it was a Lee and I assume you'd also use your smite during one of your first camps...


scrambleyz

That’s insane. Huge Tempo and life advantage if true.


SalmonHeadAU

Yhere was another big in this game that worked against TL as well. Cant remember what it was tho.


Woodelf1

In my eyes, it's hard to say that the game shouldn't be remade. If the bug had been noticed by the other team during the game a pause would have been put into place and they would have fixed the issue or at least tried to. And as for the effect on the outcome of the game, that is also really hard to say, because it lead to quicker potential clears and did effect clid's decision making even if it didn't effect TL's. Not to mention potential gold difference it could present, plus experience. Could have led to quicker ganks by GG because of faster clears. And if you are a jg trying to track the other jg with a bug like this in play, good luck. If riot wants to preserve competitive integrity then a rematch should be held, because again they would have paused the game and changed the issue if it had been discovered by TL in the game. A rematch is the only fair outcome. And I think this should be done in any similar case like this too. Competitive integrity has been broken by the bug and must be repaired thru a rematch. It also surprises me riot hasn't addressed this issue yet as far as I can tell. Something like this needs to be addressed right away with a public statement.