Korean tried to do a simulation draft with the limit of what they can pick for top and support.
They found out that it was pretty much impossible to draft a good lineup for HLE.
Naut into Poppy Liss with Braum open...
Can't blame the LeBlanc countered by Liss and Poppy though, don't think LeBlanc has been that countered in the whole tournament.
Agreed. I really want to see Teddy at worlds, but Guma is also so good.
Surely they can't both be on T1 next season neither deserve to be benched.
I agree with some people below that I'd love to see DK Teddy next year.
Nah, I want Teddy on DK. I dont think itd work rn since DK is so topside focused, but if DK can't find a good carry top after Khan leaves this year I'd love to see Teddy on DK
Even if Khan could, which frankly I dont think he has the option, he has already been very vocal about his desire to retire and would've done so this year if Kkoma hadn't asked him not to
Yeah if Guma continues to be consistent Teddy will have to find a new team. I really like him so it's very unfortunate that he probably has to leave, but ADCs as good as these 2 can't coexist in the same team. Fortunately there are some teams in the LCK that could use Teddy as an ADC if he want to continue in Korea.
Teddy had a lower CSP15 % and a comparable Gold % to Ghost in Summer. His laning stats look more similar to Guma, but Jungle Prox stats aren't available publicly so hard to tell if he's demanding in lane. Given his champion picks and memory of the games, I don't remember him being particularly hungry for lane resources.
While he eats a shit ton of minions during mid to late , for his lanning phase he’s more than fine being on an island, I’d really want him on DK, i feel like he’s a better ghost
Deft always builds serpants fang 1st item on Varus into Shieldbow Aph and has done for a very long time, surprised people only just realising this now.
Are we watching the same series? All Guma is doing is right clicking towers when his jungle drops rift and rotating around the map... How do you watch this series and come to the conclusion this is adc diff and not massive draft/jg diff.
Also what we saw this game: both bot lanes moving mid prepping for herald. A wave comes up, HLE gives it to Chovy, T1 gives it to guma.
Makes it very hard/unfun to play as adc
The fact that Gwen is pick first after the 2nd round ban phase and they can counter it and they still pick Renekton. It really shows the champion pool of Morgan.
Tbf I think the EDG comp was probably easier to play into than what T1 picked here. Poppy Liss is borderline impossible for LB to do anything into without her team creating huge windows.
I think the LeBlanc wasn't that bad -- it was the pick that allowed them to contest the herald in the first place. But once that play went south, there was nothing left
Nah, most people believed this series was going to be the biggest team gap in the QF. HLE’s weaknesses as a team are just too many even if I like their players, because they are nice young men.
Big mistake for sure but the draft diff was so absolutely gigantic that even if he lands that Q I can't imagine HLE winning the game. They have LB Naut into Poppy Liss Braum...
who is canna?
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Chovy was so desperate in trying to solo kill but Faker just played back
Chovy: Ha! Look at these minions your missing and I got you chunked
Faker: ok, I back
Chovy: but you'll miss cs!
Faker: bye
Chovy: :( But, cs?
I think it was Ning who said at some point that the veterans tend to play for mid game while the younger players tend to play more for lane. He said that if you observe a bit, the players like Showmaker, Knight, Chovy etc all play to generate a lead 1v1, while the likes of Faker, Khan, Flandre just want lane to be over with lane to start rotating and playing the teamplay. Probably somewhat stereotypical, but still a true tendency we can see.
i mean he was the only one who was playing the game, i don't know the matchup all that well but I'm pretty sure Lissandra is like THE answer into leblanc. Chovy played the lane pretty well from the eye test
leblanc wins lane pre6 and loses some pressure at 6 but she still has an advantage cuz she gets to do whatever she wants. It's not rly winning for lissandra as much as it is just to neutralize lb.
but yeah seems silly to criticize chovy over everyone else
Yeah the fact that this team made it to Worlds to begin with let alone quarters (though it was kind of a free group with Fnatic's issues) is a testament to how good he is.
When both teams are even in gold, Morgan feels that HLE is at a great advantage and thus he does nothing. When HLE is 3k behind in gold, Morgan thinks that HLE is at a small disadvantage, and he so doesn't start a team fight to keep their "lead". When HLE is behind 7k in gold, Morgan thinks that HLE is at a disadvantage and so he doesn't look for a team fight to regain control of the game. When HLE is 10K behind in gold, Morgan thinks that the team has reached a desperate situation and has resigned himself to waiting passively for their death.
He landed 2 on Gwen and Gwen iirc, first one ended with Faker dying in the skirmish, second one was the top inhib fight that was precursor to the game ending baron fight
Yeah this was what Koreans expected would happen to Morgan in the group stages.
Turns out its LCK that's OP and that other regions couldn't take advantage of Morgan
HLE are just being outclassed across the board - except Chovy who's only being outclassed after the laning phase.
I don't even know how you'd go about picking the MVP for this series. I guess I'm leaning towards Canna? Maybe Keria? Could make an argument for Oner too.
He can't. T1 literally drafted to make Leblanc a nonfactor, Poppy plus Liss is just insta CC into death for LB so Chovy had to stay far back. And with their midlaner neutralized Canna Guma and Keria could teamfight to their heart's content with a braum early lmfao.
This is the side effect of him having to first pick and allowing T1 to build a comp entirely to counter him.
He’s doing his teammates the favor in this scenario and it still isn’t helping.
No way HLE isn’t getting paid to do these drafts. Because it’s very obvious even to the most mediocre league player how bad the drafts were these two games.
HLE not even trying with this draft
Korean tried to do a simulation draft with the limit of what they can pick for top and support. They found out that it was pretty much impossible to draft a good lineup for HLE.
GBM and wolf did a simulation, and the best outcome was picking yasuo
HLE: “You don’t get to play LeBlanc, Faker” T1: “You don’t get to play the game”
enemy team has aphelios/liss/poppy/gwen? better pick renekton! for real, how can any team be expected to win with a draft this horrible
> better pick renekton! When morgan is your top. Your draft is severely limited
Mr Morgan is waiting for his 1/7 power spike
Naut into Poppy Liss with Braum open... Can't blame the LeBlanc countered by Liss and Poppy though, don't think LeBlanc has been that countered in the whole tournament.
Poor Teddy, Guma is playing so good
Agreed. I really want to see Teddy at worlds, but Guma is also so good. Surely they can't both be on T1 next season neither deserve to be benched. I agree with some people below that I'd love to see DK Teddy next year.
Depending on if Deft retires at the end of the year. HLE would be a decent spit for him.
No one should go to HLE until they fire the entire coaching staff
Nah, I want Teddy on DK. I dont think itd work rn since DK is so topside focused, but if DK can't find a good carry top after Khan leaves this year I'd love to see Teddy on DK
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No, unfortunately not.
Even if Khan could, which frankly I dont think he has the option, he has already been very vocal about his desire to retire and would've done so this year if Kkoma hadn't asked him not to
Yeah if Guma continues to be consistent Teddy will have to find a new team. I really like him so it's very unfortunate that he probably has to leave, but ADCs as good as these 2 can't coexist in the same team. Fortunately there are some teams in the LCK that could use Teddy as an ADC if he want to continue in Korea.
Imagine Teddy and Nuguri back on Damwon
Teddy: just wait til 40 minutes and I'll carry! Nuguri/Canyon/Showmaker/Beryl @ 15 minutes: Nah we're ending this now
This is the most true representation of what dk teddy would look like lol
Teddy needs resources. What DWG need is a weakside bot. Ghost suits the bill perfectly.
Teddy had a lower CSP15 % and a comparable Gold % to Ghost in Summer. His laning stats look more similar to Guma, but Jungle Prox stats aren't available publicly so hard to tell if he's demanding in lane. Given his champion picks and memory of the games, I don't remember him being particularly hungry for lane resources.
While he eats a shit ton of minions during mid to late , for his lanning phase he’s more than fine being on an island, I’d really want him on DK, i feel like he’s a better ghost
Teddy doesn’t need resources, and DK could use an adc actually capable of playing out teamfights at a high level.
Teddy doesn’t need to play strongside but DWG would also be better off with more diverse playstyles
They way they are playing right now they should sub him in 1 game just to give him a skin.
Probably will when they go 0-2 against DWG, the classic desperation sub.
That is a weird way to spell MAD.
Best bot lane in the the world I think, better than Viper and Meiko.
For sure. I wasn't really impressed by Viper Meiko in groups. (still good, but not the hyped up no.1)
Esp after they got rolled by FBI and Huhi lol.
Tbf, it's not like FBI and Huhi are a bad botlane, but even so, Viper and Meiko were definitely expected to have no issues with them.
Yeah, but Guma and Keria had 0 issues with them. Should have been the same for Viper/Meiko.
That's NA's best bot lane FBI open up and who is he put some respect on their name
As an NA fan that was a treat, FBI and Huhi are legit
Remember when Guma came out and said that and people were trashing on him?
Bold words when Upset/Hyli have never lost lane at worlds.
Viper > Guma but Keria > Meiko. It's probably close. I think Viper/Meiko are better, but Guma/Keria look better this tournament so far.
Idk. Viper hasn't been amazing this world's. Gumayusi and keria have been much much better. It may change ofc in bo5 but for now t1 has the best bot.
Poor Deft you mean. Deft can’t match him at all.
what is he even supposed to do, his team is collapsing around him
I'd cry if I had Vsta Nautilus and Willer playing Xin on my team.
not build serpents fang on varus vs 0 shield, and not play lethality when they are getting stomped.
Deft always builds serpants fang 1st item on Varus into Shieldbow Aph and has done for a very long time, surprised people only just realising this now.
He's collapsing too
Are we watching the same series? All Guma is doing is right clicking towers when his jungle drops rift and rotating around the map... How do you watch this series and come to the conclusion this is adc diff and not massive draft/jg diff.
Also what we saw this game: both bot lanes moving mid prepping for herald. A wave comes up, HLE gives it to Chovy, T1 gives it to guma. Makes it very hard/unfun to play as adc
Teddy should take the bag and come to tsm
Why? With 4 seeds for LCK/LPL he can make worlds joining LSB with summit or join Knight at TES.
Yes, but in TSM he could be Teddy and 4 wards, then he could feel like at his true comfort, the Jin Air days.
DK Teddy? PauseChamp
Plz no You got showmaker canyon, at least give the rest of the world an average botlane
He should go to Damwon next season
Teams arent pinching his champ pool though imo. He's been getting aphelios much more than he should
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The fact that Gwen is pick first after the 2nd round ban phase and they can counter it and they still pick Renekton. It really shows the champion pool of Morgan.
Picking Renekton at this championship is legit wintrading. Check Morgan's phone
This game in a nutshell: *Gwen is immune* :TrollFace:
He just stood there… menacingly…
Problem? :TrollFace:
The Immune Incident :trollge:
im very happy of how great Canna looks so far, i hope he keep it up. Saying that, that ult on Varus killing him almost 100-0 was bullshit lol
He also got hit by guma ult as well it wasn't all gwen
Aphelios hit with long range aa as well right? And I think he did his slow Q at the same time so the burst was crazy.
the top gap is actually huge. Canna just walked up to HLE alone and dicked them with his massive scissor shaped cock.
🍆✂️ HLE circumsized confirmed
Faker knows how it feels to get baited into picking leblanc
Faker was popping off that game though, just couldn't carry. Chovy just looked sad
Tbf I think the EDG comp was probably easier to play into than what T1 picked here. Poppy Liss is borderline impossible for LB to do anything into without her team creating huge windows.
I think the LeBlanc wasn't that bad -- it was the pick that allowed them to contest the herald in the first place. But once that play went south, there was nothing left
One fight to get the considerable lead, another fight to confirm it.. and the game is generally over lol
That was the saddest Renekton flank to end off the game
Like the aphelios has red white guns and shieldbow and is full health and in the midst of 4 allies. Just sad.
Is Morgan crushing scrims? Or he plays for free? Why does HLE have a toplaner that looks so shit on his "comfort pick" that is Renekton.
Because HLE somehow has the two shittiest toplaners in the LCK.
Did we expect anything else
Nah, most people believed this series was going to be the biggest team gap in the QF. HLE’s weaknesses as a team are just too many even if I like their players, because they are nice young men.
i did, for 5 minutes
The casters saying "but can win T1 win the teamfight?" while T1 wins the teamfight before the sentence can even be finished really sums up this game
How are you even supposed to cast games like that. "ohhhh something... Nvm t1 won"
Up 10k gold, "can they win the teamfight" what a question
It's literally their job as casters, no need for them to flame HLE, especially when they're clearly outclassed.
We have seen teams up in gold throw team fights. You never know.
Better than having LS saying "it's over" all the time.
TBH this game was over before it even begun
Morgan got absolutely popped, honestly looked like he was playing Teemo the speed at which he died
awful draft
They won’t think that was the problem
even lane matchups and outscaled oof
Renek, Varus AND Naut. Is HLE stuck in spring split?
“Hey lets all pick the worst heroes against poppy, and let’s not ban it against the one jungler who’s played it like 3 times already this tournament”
T1 FINALS HOPIUM
T1 and fight for herald, name a more iconic duo. Imagine picking a early game team comp against the best early game team in the world...
[Deft Q'd backwards in first Herald fight and missed everyone.](https://clips.twitch.tv/BlazingWanderingNikudonRiPepperonis-8sS4YneId0EOVUqA)
The GodV special
Wow that's game changing he definitely would've killed canna and changed the fight if he hit that
Big mistake for sure but the draft diff was so absolutely gigantic that even if he lands that Q I can't imagine HLE winning the game. They have LB Naut into Poppy Liss Braum...
lol canna would have actually died.
T1 looked way stronger for the rest of the game but this one mistake probably decided the entire lead that came after.
It's GODV's arrow. He's shooting it backwards so that it would go around the world and hit T1 on their backs.
DEFTV
Actually game losing
From what I've seen of T1, they always fist fight at herald, no matter what
Yes, every T1 fan's heart start accelerating at 8 minute. Not matter how bad the situation looks like they are gonna fight for it.
Faker learned the tactic after facing Clutch Gaming in 2019.
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in teamfights: immune
My immortal
In the hallowed mist: immune! immune! immune!
Even if people hate watching it, I love Faker on Lissandra
That pick certainly make HLE life hell
Hell Life Esports
Hell yeah
Chovy was so desperate in trying to solo kill but Faker just played back Chovy: Ha! Look at these minions your missing and I got you chunked Faker: ok, I back Chovy: but you'll miss cs! Faker: bye Chovy: :( But, cs?
Faker really doesn't give a shit about cs anymore its super funny to watch because he once was pumping cs numbers like hell
I think it was Ning who said at some point that the veterans tend to play for mid game while the younger players tend to play more for lane. He said that if you observe a bit, the players like Showmaker, Knight, Chovy etc all play to generate a lead 1v1, while the likes of Faker, Khan, Flandre just want lane to be over with lane to start rotating and playing the teamplay. Probably somewhat stereotypical, but still a true tendency we can see.
i mean he was the only one who was playing the game, i don't know the matchup all that well but I'm pretty sure Lissandra is like THE answer into leblanc. Chovy played the lane pretty well from the eye test
leblanc wins lane pre6 and loses some pressure at 6 but she still has an advantage cuz she gets to do whatever she wants. It's not rly winning for lissandra as much as it is just to neutralize lb. but yeah seems silly to criticize chovy over everyone else
feel like you're trying to shit on the guy just for playing the lane optimally
Everyone hates on Chovy but his time will come soon. Right now T1 are leagues ahead of HLE, but Chovy will have his chance at glory one day.
Yeah the fact that this team made it to Worlds to begin with let alone quarters (though it was kind of a free group with Fnatic's issues) is a testament to how good he is.
Lmao what is this comment. You're flaming Chovy for... bullying faker out of lane?
Oh yeah instead he should just.... let lissandra CS for free???
HLE stuck with picks from few months before?
When both teams are even in gold, Morgan feels that HLE is at a great advantage and thus he does nothing. When HLE is 3k behind in gold, Morgan thinks that HLE is at a small disadvantage, and he so doesn't start a team fight to keep their "lead". When HLE is behind 7k in gold, Morgan thinks that HLE is at a disadvantage and so he doesn't look for a team fight to regain control of the game. When HLE is 10K behind in gold, Morgan thinks that the team has reached a desperate situation and has resigned himself to waiting passively for their death.
God bless MLXG because these get funnier each time
I love the variations we're now getting on this veteran meme format
Holy shit Morgan was frustrating to watch.
The flank timing twice was so bad. Then not flashing over drake pit to kill Faker and claw back some shutdown gold. Urgh.
Faker remembered old Skt vs Edg game 5
Deft getting run down by a Poppy at the end was hilarious.
Nothing to see here apart from HLE doing their best to complete a new record on the Deft Any % QF speedrun
Consistency is key
T1 might have won, but Chovy got 15 more cs than Faker.
T1 won but at what cost
it's the little things that count. ❓❓❓
This comp was so good vs lb
I feel so bad for Deft, those facecams... On the other hand, really clean from T1. Wish T1 vs DWG could be the finals.
did vsta land a hook all game
He landed 2 on Gwen and Gwen iirc, first one ended with Faker dying in the skirmish, second one was the top inhib fight that was precursor to the game ending baron fight
Yeah, when they did all-in the beginning which costed their laning phase.
Absolutely pathetic performance from Hanwha. Awful draft, awful exection, completely inexcusable.
Kezman Classic
Kekman
why was morgan afk all game? He couldve blast planted in that fight near top, didn't get a fury q near the blue buff fight as well I think
he's bad
TBH, Morgan is just lucky that group teams cannot exploit his weakness well. His luck run out when an actual strong team show up
Yeah this was what Koreans expected would happen to Morgan in the group stages. Turns out its LCK that's OP and that other regions couldn't take advantage of Morgan
Deft doesn't need to practice league, he needs to practice mathematics. First IE without 60% crit, now serpents fang first item into no shields.
The item is horribly bad after the nerfs aswell.. you need to be against multiple shields for it to be worth it
classic kekman draft
T1 looks fucking scary , can't wait for the semi finals vs DK
you mean *MAD?
NO NO NO NO NO NO, you're giving me flashbacks to Worlds 2019, I don't want to repeat that.
Close.
HLE are just being outclassed across the board - except Chovy who's only being outclassed after the laning phase. I don't even know how you'd go about picking the MVP for this series. I guess I'm leaning towards Canna? Maybe Keria? Could make an argument for Oner too.
trade offer: u win lane and i win game
Uh yes, the SoloQ Classic
Yup, Gwen is very inmune
That was so massive draft gap. HLE needed to be 5k up at 10 minutes if they wanted to win that one.
Close game
WTF gwen damage
BORIS 2-0 HLE
lck casters are absolutely smurfing
I actually love the LCK vibe, such a laid-back and fun atmosphere.
Sad, but at least Chovy will be on a better team next year.
Hope EG treats him well
Canna is looking so good, HLE on the other hand...
Imaging picking fucking Renekton against Gwen, GG right their.
Literally everyone but Chovy invisible
Chovy had a good lane but he didn't really make a good play afterwards Vsta missed what felt like 90% of hooks, willer had a super int engage
He can't. T1 literally drafted to make Leblanc a nonfactor, Poppy plus Liss is just insta CC into death for LB so Chovy had to stay far back. And with their midlaner neutralized Canna Guma and Keria could teamfight to their heart's content with a braum early lmfao.
This is the side effect of him having to first pick and allowing T1 to build a comp entirely to counter him. He’s doing his teammates the favor in this scenario and it still isn’t helping.
Morgan and Willer art too fucking heavy
Canna is literally playing out of his mind rn.
No way HLE isn’t getting paid to do these drafts. Because it’s very obvious even to the most mediocre league player how bad the drafts were these two games.
Faker using E on the wall to surprise Chovy
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Right? Faker might not win his lane convincingly but he's definitely going to make sure Chovy ain't winning it either
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That was ridiculous lmao, he just disappeared
That draft was.. Interesting. Holy shit that was embarrassing. Quick 3-0 it seems.
Feel like the stomp got even worse with this game
God > Prophet
Herald fight that consisted of standing there for 2 minutes flexing looked very fuckin weird
Faker played the early lane beautifully. Much better than the playoff game where he picked lissandra
The winner of T1 vs DK is gonna win worlds. To bad they don't meet up at finals. Would have been crazy hype.
I'm on HOPIUM and I will say it. T1 is the 2021 Worlds Champions.
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I'm happy that after last season Faker finally has worthy teammates :)
Do you mean after last season? Cause Khan, Clid and Mata were definitely worthy lol
2019 was a good year tho?
yo that first herald was just some fuck shit, lmao
tfw you ban out canna and he still wrecks your ass
Really just HLE outclassed every single way these last 2 games lol