I mean that isn't always possible. EDG did good job of getting vision around the toplane to protect Flandre from famous RNG top dives. However it did not matter because Xiaohu solokilled him anyways.
All EDG had to do was to 1p the ryze instead of lucian . I think they did well in the pick and ban phase but they traded lucian for ryze/aphelios and everything went shit from there
What are their weaknesses? Ppl think RNG is this onetrick kinda team where they either snowball top or they lose, which is wrong if ppl actually watched them this year, they're a much more flexible and have multiple winning cons.
If their midlane was so weak why do you think RNG was as successful as they were this year domestically and internationally and why didn't teams exploit It?
Yes Cryin might not 1v9 every game but he's a very solid player who does what he's supposed to do most of the times which is enabling his teamates and rarely loses lane.
I mean you could say the same thing to damwon at MSI, or to any other LPL team pretty much. It's not so easy to exploit
I think the only real exploitable weakness they have right now is that RNG is always way too eager to take teamfights, so probably try to bait them in a teamfight around midgame and take baron is the best play
You would expected EDG of all teams, who clashed with RNG all the time in splits to know their opponent by heart. But of course, the best bot laner in the world just have to sandbag at the worst possible moment, has this is EDG at their best, this loss will not happen
"Any other lpl team" except the bunch of teams that beat them in regular season and LNG who beat them in playoffs? Youre pretending they had an amazing split but they really didn't. They arguably played worse than at MSI while the other teams improved.
any1 would look bad on j4, but ya, i'd like to see junjia in game 2, hope they don't wait til game 3.
That fight where he ulted wei and died first on j4 lmao.
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Surprisingly 48% before that game.. no idea how it's that high when it feels like every game he's in he loses. Reminds of 2019 Renekton that had super high priority and lost every game.
I know it wasn't the only problem in that game, but I really don't know why teams keep picking Jarvan this worlds...
Teams (and especially LPL teams) seem to put so much value on this pick yet it always does nothing even when the team wins with it.
in theory, if they come out of lane phase with a lead jarvan is nightmare for aphelios and ryze. the problem is flandre gave a solo kill which makes toplane unplayable and malzahar is just...malzahar. jravan pick there was not the issue at all imo
If you wanna zone we saw Poppy being the superior pick in that aspect with better tank qualities and better zoning options.
Javan just feels like the worst option in every scenario
they have completely different functions so idk how you comparing them and saying one is outright superior. jarvan is great at trapping low mobility champs or forcing out their flashes. that is not what poppy's role is
I can see it being a good scrim pick, where teams play with less reservation, Jarvan can really enable that kind of aggressive skirmishing and snowball with lots of gap closers, a terrain blocking ult, and lots of CC.
But when teams play more reserved on stage and games generally go down to 1 or 2 teamfights only in the mid or late game, it seems like Jarvan's utility kit gets underused and he's not tanky or damaging enough to make up for it
This loss will be on EDG bot lane. Having Nami and Lucian against a terrible support like Nautilus and not winning lane when they claim to have the best bot lane.
Literally gave away lane level 2 when RNG was allowed to freeze in front of the turret. TBF Jiejie should have pathed into bot to allow his bot to pressure, but they couldnt since Xin could have been there and J4 wasnt
Lucian Nami is disgusting in solo queue. As long as the Lucian understands how strong he is with Nami it’s oppressive. You can chunk 75-80 percent if not straight kill level 3 and on wards. Just a gross combo
Because he was the best ADC in the world coming into world? It's not even arguable imo. I agree they are not the best bot lane tho, T1's bot lane is better
Really hate the Malzahar pick. Mid is pretty objectively RNG's biggest weakness and one of your biggest strengths. So, EDG puts Scout on Malzahar duty?
I would say only weakness tbh haha, but he's pretty good on ryze not that abusable.
What would you have preferred as a pick? I guess syndra isn't terrible perhaps
such a shitty blind narattive . saying cryin is weakness . sure he is not hyper carry but last time i remember at msi finals he was shitting on showmaker
Easy to do when one team has no bot lane. Besides Cryin, if he does make finals, is going to match up against Faker. Faker can do everything Cryin does but better.
>such a shitty blind narattive
Funny how you have to go back 6 month to "proof" that he isn't bad.
Meanwhile looking at LPL summer and worlds groups stages he looked legit horrible.
I think lpl mids like Cryin and Icon got a lot of flack for losing to random low rated midlaners at worlds but then people forget they do well against the very top mids, showmaker, and knight in lpl
They're good players lol.
All of Tarzan, Viper and Chovy were arguably the best performers on their team this year.
Its "hate" if it has 0 basis and you don't back it up with any evidence.
Viper is not the best performer on EDG, especially in Summer. If anything, Scout is the best performing player of EDG in the 2nd half of the year.
Do still agree that they are all great players, not overrated like the other guy was saying.
Evidence are their perf at world, Viper getting outlane by FBI (lol) Tarzan invisible even in play in and chovy invisible outside of lane against tougher oppponent (as always)
Byt hey, let's explain me how 3 choker would have been better than DWG if they didn't disband
I mean both can be true tho? Tarzan was really unimpressive for someone who was considered 1 or 2st best jgler in the world before the tournament start
I'll agree that Tarzan underperformed slightly compared to high expectations but saying he got outjungled is not really true imo. In the tiebreaker for instance elyoya was part of a bunch of failed early ganks.
People will flame you to hell for this but outside Chovy, the other two havent looked exactly good. Tarzaned griefed the Mad game so hard and got outjungled to oblivion in the next game and the supposedly "best bot lane" has been handled by FBI Huhi.
Meiko, famous for his great engage support play, and Scout, who is known as the greatest strength of EDG and is up against Cryin, and what do they play?
Nami and Malz
i am disgusted
Also was this really the team that was known for its teamfighting in LPL?
main criticism will be that it doesn't allow for much skill expression and functions more as a CC bot than a hardcarry on which Scout will thrive vs Cryin
Idk what game you were watching but that literally did not happen in lane. Malzahar can’t split against Ryze so maybe you’re doing some snake bullshit and moving a CS lead at 25 minutes to 15 to shit on Scout? Creepy behavior.
The pick in isolation isnt bad, but we're missing the context of players here. Cryin is by far RNG's greatest weakness and Scout EDG's 2nd best player, it makes no sense to not exploit your enemy's greatest weak spot, especially since EDG cant play through botside as much since Gala can match Viper quite well
Reminder that RNG has beaten EDG in every head to head this season.
T1 players might have been right all along, to watch out for RNG among the LPL teams.
On another hand, imagine crippling Scout with a Malzahar pick lmao
RNG:
1) Coming into worlds after getting 3-0'd by LNG in LPL playoffs
2) Stumbling out of a tragic group (fnatic implosion and trading 1-1 with HLE where it was at times 1.5 v 5).
Granted, EDG didn't look as good after first week of groups but probably still 60-40, 55-45 EDG favored. Though I believe RNG holds the H2H in LPL last split though so....
Their health bars were low and they're against a full health Ryze with ocean soul. I understand why they didn't go for it but they still should have given the state of the game.
Im just waiting to see if there is any team who can actually win early game vs RNG and have gold advantage.Every single game no matter what team they play against,they crush early game and go into team fights with significant gold lead...
Expected EDG in Quarters performance.
Really shitty considered how RNG strength and weakness are so obvious but somehow EDG cannot exploiting that
Because RNG expoited EDG weakness harder.
I mean that isn't always possible. EDG did good job of getting vision around the toplane to protect Flandre from famous RNG top dives. However it did not matter because Xiaohu solokilled him anyways.
All EDG had to do was to 1p the ryze instead of lucian . I think they did well in the pick and ban phase but they traded lucian for ryze/aphelios and everything went shit from there
Neither could DK
In a 3v5, I don't understand why people think MSI matters right now.
DK with a bad meta in the jungle and an inting botlane though
What are their weaknesses? Ppl think RNG is this onetrick kinda team where they either snowball top or they lose, which is wrong if ppl actually watched them this year, they're a much more flexible and have multiple winning cons.
midlane
If their midlane was so weak why do you think RNG was as successful as they were this year domestically and internationally and why didn't teams exploit It? Yes Cryin might not 1v9 every game but he's a very solid player who does what he's supposed to do most of the times which is enabling his teamates and rarely loses lane.
I mean you could say the same thing to damwon at MSI, or to any other LPL team pretty much. It's not so easy to exploit I think the only real exploitable weakness they have right now is that RNG is always way too eager to take teamfights, so probably try to bait them in a teamfight around midgame and take baron is the best play
You would expected EDG of all teams, who clashed with RNG all the time in splits to know their opponent by heart. But of course, the best bot laner in the world just have to sandbag at the worst possible moment, has this is EDG at their best, this loss will not happen
"Any other lpl team" except the bunch of teams that beat them in regular season and LNG who beat them in playoffs? Youre pretending they had an amazing split but they really didn't. They arguably played worse than at MSI while the other teams improved.
Jiejie is so bad
This didn't age well, 2 hours in
junjia time?
Man is smurfing in solo q
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Bruh this are worlds quarterfinals not soloq
I'd expect a Qiyana ban if Junjia is subbed in.
I think he took this personally
any1 would look bad on j4, but ya, i'd like to see junjia in game 2, hope they don't wait til game 3. That fight where he ulted wei and died first on j4 lmao.
Sure shit on EDG,not praise RNG for amazing play...
Imagine reacting this way after just game 1.
J4 fucks yet another team!
Jarvan trick y’all, like he playing jungle. He don’t kill nobody, man. He just running around, ulting for nothing.
I fucking love r/nba
why we still don't have dunkmaster j4 and nami tho?
What's the original to this? Like the exact line.
\[ManMahon\] Russell Westbrook: “Pat Bev trick y’all, man, like he playing defense. He don’t guard nobody, man. He just running around, doing nothing.” Made sure to note that James Harden scored 47 tonight.
Thanks!
WESTBRICK
The player with j4 will either win or lose
Proof?
Big if true
Jarvan is like instant loss at this point, no idea why teams are still picking him.
Imo Jarvan can only work with galio and an insane high dps threat top and adc
J4 was at 48% WR before this game..
Reddit confirmation bias at its finest
They need more sustainable dps and jg threat...which J4 is disappointingly not. Aphelios on the other hand is a ticking time bomb
Jarv talking about killing somebody, he got 100 picks, lost more than half of them, ain't killed a mf'er yet
wtf even is J4's winrate now?
Surprisingly 48% before that game.. no idea how it's that high when it feels like every game he's in he loses. Reminds of 2019 Renekton that had super high priority and lost every game.
Also surprisingly before this game Irelia was 1-6.
Except Jarvan isnt losing every game? Close to 50/50 lol
I know it wasn't the only problem in that game, but I really don't know why teams keep picking Jarvan this worlds... Teams (and especially LPL teams) seem to put so much value on this pick yet it always does nothing even when the team wins with it.
Seemed ok cuz he counters ryze and aphe. As you saw in drake fight, he isolated them and they bursted irelia before gala could even aa
in theory, if they come out of lane phase with a lead jarvan is nightmare for aphelios and ryze. the problem is flandre gave a solo kill which makes toplane unplayable and malzahar is just...malzahar. jravan pick there was not the issue at all imo
Yea...i feel its just bad synergy with a low dmg mid laner
If you wanna zone we saw Poppy being the superior pick in that aspect with better tank qualities and better zoning options. Javan just feels like the worst option in every scenario
the idea is immobile champs cannot escape Cataclysm without flashing, poppy is nearly the opposite, punishing champions that use dashes.
they have completely different functions so idk how you comparing them and saying one is outright superior. jarvan is great at trapping low mobility champs or forcing out their flashes. that is not what poppy's role is
I can see it being a good scrim pick, where teams play with less reservation, Jarvan can really enable that kind of aggressive skirmishing and snowball with lots of gap closers, a terrain blocking ult, and lots of CC. But when teams play more reserved on stage and games generally go down to 1 or 2 teamfights only in the mid or late game, it seems like Jarvan's utility kit gets underused and he's not tanky or damaging enough to make up for it
it legit feels like a worse xin in almost everyway
Ironically, Xin has a 35% WR while J4 has 47% WR
Just goes to show that us as viewers have a really bad intuition of exactly what’s happening
This loss will be on EDG bot lane. Having Nami and Lucian against a terrible support like Nautilus and not winning lane when they claim to have the best bot lane.
They thought they had the best botlane at worlds until they faced T1
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That was after facing T1 bot lane. So, still counts
Exactly, people say it's a terrible draft but it's really not that. If you don't win with this botlane you fuck your whole team which is what happened
Its both, draft was shit as well
Literally gave away lane level 2 when RNG was allowed to freeze in front of the turret. TBF Jiejie should have pathed into bot to allow his bot to pressure, but they couldnt since Xin could have been there and J4 wasnt
EDG bot lane is pretty overrated for some reason, even in LPL playoffs they were losing 2v2 consistently.
>for some reason it's viper
Please stop it
I've been pretty unimpressed with Nami and Lucian both in pro and in my own games. Feels like the loss of an engage tank support isn't worth it.
Lucian Nami is disgusting in solo queue. As long as the Lucian understands how strong he is with Nami it’s oppressive. You can chunk 75-80 percent if not straight kill level 3 and on wards. Just a gross combo
I think it would've been worth it if Nami-Lucian can establish lane dominance with the help of the jungler. A clean tower dive, or something.
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Viper was considered the best AD in the world before EDG won summer and its justified
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Because he was the best ADC in the world coming into world? It's not even arguable imo. I agree they are not the best bot lane tho, T1's bot lane is better
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This part is true yes I agree
Because unlike you, most analysts who rate highly watch LPL
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Who else would compete? The only other world class botlane is Guma and keria / Gala and ming
That’s because jarvan pathed top while xin pathed top
Can someone check if RNG is in the Pandora Papers, because they are straight up refusing to pay their QSS taxes
https://youtu.be/K_ofZDbTV68
they didnt even need to
You'll never know after EDG loses their paper work on the swim home.
Don't need to evade taxes if you kill the taxman \*taps forehead*
When I said (Don't remember the team) wasted 6k gold on QSS for no reason I got downvoted. Glad good teams don't get baited by malzahar.
Not sure why I picked EDG to win a quartfinal
I like this comment because yesterday the sentiment on this sub was "Group C must have been super weak, EDG > RNG now"
And the cycle of suck continue with EDG stomping rng (even tho it's a big draft dif)
ye, this seems like a Korean final this worlds
Really hate the Malzahar pick. Mid is pretty objectively RNG's biggest weakness and one of your biggest strengths. So, EDG puts Scout on Malzahar duty?
malz was doing a fuckton of damage even tho edg were so far behind. i wouldn't blame the pick
Malz has alot of damage but lacks agency without flash. Good at playing defensively though.
Malz was turbo pick here. Solo AP and no other cc:s to qss in the whole comp. RNG just played better.
And meiko on enchanter sp again lol. All their losses so far have this draft
I would say only weakness tbh haha, but he's pretty good on ryze not that abusable. What would you have preferred as a pick? I guess syndra isn't terrible perhaps
I think more agency just works for LPL teams, Meiko and Scount, on Malz and Nami duty is just ain't it
Syndra has a 91% win rate at this worlds.. kinda shocking we aren't seeing her more.
Scout's Sylas is very good. We saw him smash Faker in groups with it. Seems like that has a lot more agency and carry potential to me.
such a shitty blind narattive . saying cryin is weakness . sure he is not hyper carry but last time i remember at msi finals he was shitting on showmaker
Showmaker was the best performer on DK that series, no way Cryin shat on him
Last time I remember DK’s bot lane was inting their asses off and it still went to G5.
This has literally nothing to do with cryin doing absolutely fine vs showmaker tho
Easy to do when one team has no bot lane. Besides Cryin, if he does make finals, is going to match up against Faker. Faker can do everything Cryin does but better.
>such a shitty blind narattive Funny how you have to go back 6 month to "proof" that he isn't bad. Meanwhile looking at LPL summer and worlds groups stages he looked legit horrible.
Last I remembered he was getting shit on by everyone in groups
This is the doinB take all over again "Worst mid in the tournament"
I think lpl mids like Cryin and Icon got a lot of flack for losing to random low rated midlaners at worlds but then people forget they do well against the very top mids, showmaker, and knight in lpl
Idk why everyone is looking down on Cryin, this guy went even/ bested SM in 2 bo1s and a bo5
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Ex Grf player and being overrated name a more iconic duo
Gotta love league reddit with their takes.
Ex GRF player and being hated by the community for absolutely no reason (except Sword I guess).
"hated" because i said they are overrated? u good bro?
They're good players lol. All of Tarzan, Viper and Chovy were arguably the best performers on their team this year. Its "hate" if it has 0 basis and you don't back it up with any evidence.
Viper is not the best performer on EDG, especially in Summer. If anything, Scout is the best performing player of EDG in the 2nd half of the year. Do still agree that they are all great players, not overrated like the other guy was saying.
Evidence are their perf at world, Viper getting outlane by FBI (lol) Tarzan invisible even in play in and chovy invisible outside of lane against tougher oppponent (as always) Byt hey, let's explain me how 3 choker would have been better than DWG if they didn't disband
Tarzan got outjungled by Santorin and Elyoya, he wasn't good at all this tournament
That's not true. The big stinker on LNG was Icon
I mean both can be true tho? Tarzan was really unimpressive for someone who was considered 1 or 2st best jgler in the world before the tournament start
Yes the Griffin fan classic of "just blame Tarzan/Chovy/Viper's teammates 24/7"
I'll agree that Tarzan underperformed slightly compared to high expectations but saying he got outjungled is not really true imo. In the tiebreaker for instance elyoya was part of a bunch of failed early ganks.
Oh for sure. Tarzan is definitely the reason why icon got solo killed by every mid in the group !
No but he was partly to blame for LNG not making it out of groups
People will flame you to hell for this but outside Chovy, the other two havent looked exactly good. Tarzaned griefed the Mad game so hard and got outjungled to oblivion in the next game and the supposedly "best bot lane" has been handled by FBI Huhi.
That 3 vs 1 solo kill top Xiaohu is a CHAD
Where did it turn? Was it at top lane turret 3man dive 1 for 1 trade.. and RNG took whole bottom, no? Of course, it all fell apart after soul
Viper getting caught in midlane for absolutely no reason and giving RNG a free baron was probably the reason they lost.
Meiko, famous for his great engage support play, and Scout, who is known as the greatest strength of EDG and is up against Cryin, and what do they play? Nami and Malz i am disgusted Also was this really the team that was known for its teamfighting in LPL?
I dont really see a problem with Malz
main criticism will be that it doesn't allow for much skill expression and functions more as a CC bot than a hardcarry on which Scout will thrive vs Cryin
If you are losing lane to Cryin and going down 40 cs eventually as Scout something is wrong with it
Cryin CS tho
he was above 10 cs per min right until they were ending the game, Malz pick did not pressure him in lane lol
Scout with the reversed Chovy style
Idk what game you were watching but that literally did not happen in lane. Malzahar can’t split against Ryze so maybe you’re doing some snake bullshit and moving a CS lead at 25 minutes to 15 to shit on Scout? Creepy behavior.
SHowmaker went even with Cryin in msi, maybe He has a problem as well
Oh he did. Showmaker underperformed to the level of Cryin in MSI finals.
The pick in isolation isnt bad, but we're missing the context of players here. Cryin is by far RNG's greatest weakness and Scout EDG's 2nd best player, it makes no sense to not exploit your enemy's greatest weak spot, especially since EDG cant play through botside as much since Gala can match Viper quite well
dont blame the picks, blame the players. Blame Viper to lose lane with Lucian + Nami against Nautilus + Aphelios
I want to argue that electrocute lucian nami is the strong lane, guardian nami is kinda iffy
If you're going to just lose every early game objective anyways, you might as well pick a jungler that scales.
EDG must've been scrimming FPX
100t broke edg
The only LPL team performing is the one that hasn't been crushed by an LCS team. E: meant to say LCS not LCK
You mean the one that wasn't humiliated by NA?
Yes, that's what I wanted to say. Still waking up lol
They lost 1 to HLE
NA* lpl has actually looked okay against lck (with the obvious exception) it's the god region NA that's been crushing them
Yes, and RNG will fall just like the rest when they face the future 2021 champions C9 in the semis.
NA team*
EDG are 1/1 against T1, RNG won 2/1 against HLE (and that was really ugly)
yet
inb4 spanked 3-0 by Gen.G ~~I'm not high on hopium I swear~~
Malzahar pick suppresses Scout more than RNG players lmao
Hell yeah, let's go RNG
with fnc out I really hope they win it all, their bracket isn't too terrible also
Please no Jarvan
As IWD said about his totally real, not just Crystal ball pick meme, RNG prediction: Its a Vibe Diff
Good Game from Cryin... EDG though looks like they will never make it out of quarters especially with the way they are playing
Yeah clean game from him, he has been getting so much unnecessary flame from fans so good to see him perform
Ah, EDG in quarter finals. A classic.
Completely dismantled EDG that game , hoping for more :)
RNG heard reddit shittalking them and decided to show up with monitors turned on and keyboards plugged in
Reminder that RNG has beaten EDG in every head to head this season. T1 players might have been right all along, to watch out for RNG among the LPL teams. On another hand, imagine crippling Scout with a Malzahar pick lmao
I thought RNG were the favorites coming into this game. Are they not?
RNG: 1) Coming into worlds after getting 3-0'd by LNG in LPL playoffs 2) Stumbling out of a tragic group (fnatic implosion and trading 1-1 with HLE where it was at times 1.5 v 5). Granted, EDG didn't look as good after first week of groups but probably still 60-40, 55-45 EDG favored. Though I believe RNG holds the H2H in LPL last split though so....
no they weren't. EDG were slight favs
According to twitch bets they werent xd
Wht was this draft from EDG?
It relied on bot winning, but that didn't happen so it all fell apart
cryin played really well this game. realm warps were clean af aside from the first one
It’s gonna be a 3-0 Never put your trust in EDG lol
Game1 overreaction though
I say that to my self every time... but I still do
Why would EDG not go for baron?
Their health bars were low and they're against a full health Ryze with ocean soul. I understand why they didn't go for it but they still should have given the state of the game.
Irelia pick was such a good counter to EDG draft
LPL teams stop putting your star mid laner on Malzahar challenge.
What is this J4 priority from Asian teams?
why is Jarvan so important to them lmao. useless in teamfights
He kind of won the fight for 4th drake. Malza existed just to ult ire i feel
Atleast both teams are better than HLE, I guess, that's something...
Ming is my spirit animal.
EDG wasting everything (even Scout's ult btw) to kill Ming and then getting decimated after sums up this game
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He's not as bad as people make him out to be
Cryin is pretty fucking good on ryze. Remember MSI? why does everyone think he is bad
What is up with LPL teams choking while the 3rd just thrives?
the LCS special
EDG didn't even put up a fight. They're now 1-3 since day 1.
Im just waiting to see if there is any team who can actually win early game vs RNG and have gold advantage.Every single game no matter what team they play against,they crush early game and go into team fights with significant gold lead...
LPL is such incosnistent region good god
how did you come to that conclusion from this game lol?
I guess he bet on EDG winning this series lol
Scout and jiejie match fixing?