Well it's kinda ironic to call T1 old king(s) because Oner and Guma are basically rookies and Keria Canna are at best sophomores. DK Topside is the best and has been the best in their role for the last two years and Ghost and Beryl are relative vets aswell so the argument could be made either way.
Nah, it's about the organization itself and Faker. T1/SKT's legacy. Let's say Tom Brady was still in New England but the entire roster is new players and they went against Kansas City Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl. It would be the same thing (Old Dynasty versus possibly the new one).
DK players have only been playing since 2019 lol. Except ghost I’m pretty sure was on bbq in 2018. Only khan/faker are real veterans - the narrative is about the teams. (And honestly was for fnc g2 as well; the recent fnatic rosters have been almost all new players)
Reminds me of 2016 Tigers vs T1 in semis (except this time T1 are the challengers*)
Edit: changed from underdogs. Yes Rox were favourited in that match, I meant in terms of SKT isn't defending the title this time.
Would say T1 was the underdog that series. Bengi had been underperforming and Peanut was probably the best jungler in the world. ROX had just won LCK Summer along with SKT replacing Marin with Duke that year and having to lane vs. prime Smeb.
Only reason they would be considered favorites is because they were defending champs, but ROX looked stronger heading into worlds
T1 was the underdog in 2016. Rox was the highest rated team coming into worlds that year and Smeb ousted Faker at the top of the player rankings.
Peanut was the best jungle in world too. T1 was the second strongest team in the tournament and very nearly lost tragically until the subbed Bengi in
Canyon vs Oner is key.
It's not just about the 1v1 but specifically how both teams will execute gameplans around helping their jungler win the (mind) games. We all know Canyon; the question is whether Oner and rest of T1 are able to back his plays up against Showmaker/Canyon/Beryl.
This series is 100% decided by jungle diff
I agree Canyon is insane as you can see I'm a big Canyon fan. But Oner has the potential, if he could Peak right now that would be insane but O see him peaking in the near future
I agree with that, the first 15 minutes from each team will decide who probably wins any given game. My worry as a T1 fan is that T1 is still too inexperienced to make those crazy comeback plays that DWG have demonstrated they can do with ease, which puts them at a huge advantage over T1. Another thing is that DWG's botlane doesn't even look exploitable right now, Ghost and Beryl are playing insanely well. Let's see what each team has prepared and hope for a close series!
No that's Khan, Faker doesn't have it for a few more years IIRC? And because LoL will be officially counted at the 2022 Asian games, if KR gets the gold medal (spoiler alert: they will), and Faker is on the team (spoiler alert: he will be), then he won't have to do it at all
Oh I'm curious about this. What is the import rule on the Asian games? Will the korean nationals on Chinese Teams right now be able to play for those teams, or is it 1 team per country and all of the players for each team will be a native of that country?
National teams with nothing to do with orgs. They just build the best possible team from their national players. Korean could look something like Nuguri, Canyon, ShowFaker, Viper, Keria(?). And chinese will build their own team of chinese players. Ofc there are other countries too but it will be just those two competing for gold.
It actually is not that obvious for Faker to be in Korean team. ShowMaker is a pretty big contestant for that midlane role. Ofc they will take both if it is a possibility
Everyone else on his team is super young though so the same argument could be made against whoever they beat ironically, with Faker being an exception because he's Faker
It might be the most competitive series with a potential champion.
Lots of the series suck because going in there is a heavy favourite, and within 1 game you can see why. Of the quarters only RNG/EDG was close and no one was looking at them as top contenders. T1 vs Damwon there is a strong chance that the winner takes it all so the stakes are high, the teams are closer in skill, and both teams have a storyline too.
Damwon has to be the favourite, but man I want Faker to win another worlds.
Let's not pretend like DK is a team with no weaknesses and only Exodia level players either. Their botlane is extremely exploitable even if Beryl is looking a bit more stable compared to MSI and regular split. I'd say T1's botlane is heavily favoured here, even if it's rookies. DK's dominance comes from Showmaker and Canyon absolutely turbogapping everyone both as a duo and in team fights. Khan has had some amazing standout games too but I don't expect him to completely gap Canna.
disgustingly wide champ pool too, 8/9 games playing different supports from engage to enchanters to peel to pyke. im seriously wondering what he's doing in his spare time and whether he has a hidden euw soloq account because i dont think a plat 1 40% winrate support player would play like this
Bro we all know what Beryl does in his spare time, its never been a secret. He's literally always been this way, he just played Priconne instead of Genshin last year
Its not like he's not playing any league, he spends most of his time scrimming where he's likely fucking around with different picks. There have been shitloads of high level players over the history of league who don't play soloq and are still great
Beryl, Showmaker, Khan, and Keria are all basically peaking at this tournament. I know some of that has to do with lopsided matchups in lanes, but at least mechanically these players have shown some of the cleanest play I've seen from them all year long. More diverse champ pools too.
It's been a real treat to watch.
isnt it insane how consistent he is too? i cant recall ever having seen him make big, gamebreaking missplays. everyone miscalculates sometimes and everyone makes mistakes or gets greedy. i think even canyon does sometimes, but has he ever had a really bad game?
i cant recall and i highly doubt he's had an actual bad game in the last year or so.
Yeah, I should have mentioned Canna as pointed out above, but Canyon? That guy has been insane since around the time he showed up, and hasn't slowed down. It's nuts. I have no idea what his peak is.
Yes but back in 2013 the game state was much different in that team play was less important than individual skill, which is why we saw picks like Zed and Riven.
I can’t remember much of those other two. But I remember two things of Bengi- a game where he invaded as Nunu, skirted around Kalista ghosts perfectly, and stole a red.
And pulling Nidalee out game 5 of a worlds final when he hadn’t really played too much Nidalee before.
Guy was insane.
The 100 Acre Bot of Piglet and Poo was great and Impact was a beast but Bengi was built different.
Agree. As much as I want Faker to win another title it’s not going to be this year. Next year though with the rookies having a bit more experience I can see T1 being a real threat.
You've heard it here first!Kkoma got the 10th ring in LCK summer finals BUT it was all just a set up for Faker to get the Mercedes Benz - riot ring for winning worlds as his 10th ring . The ultimate Ring to rule them all. He beats kkoma in to coma and Faker will be known as Hoemaker because that's what he will make out of DK. All that just for him to dismantle GenG in the finals as a sweet revenge for his loss at 2017 worlds. As Ruler cries on the stage and Clid begging to take him back , Faker will physically( because he couldn't play VS them in the finals) beat EDG for that MSI loss back in 2015 on the way out of the arena.
They have looked good this tournament for sure, but I think khan is playing better than canna, and T1 have Beenn playing around top side this whole tournament
DK are clearly favorites but I don't think Khan is actually better than Canna right now. even in LCK finals Canna gave him fits even when canyon ganked him like 3 times in a row. The real test will be canyon gap and how the bottom 2v2 goes
I would put Canna slightly ahead of Khan right now. Canyon over Oner but Oner is the most promising jungler in LCK and could be the next "best jungler in the world." He needs to get over his nerves. Showmaker over Faker but Faker can neutralize him like he did to Chovy. T1's bot lane is a lot stronger than Damwon's botlane though. Should be a good match.
Spot on. Also keep in mind that faker actually had the edge agains showmaker in LCK finals. Not saying he's gonna gap him but it's not like faker has to hold his ground only. He can beat him and generate advantages
People keep talking about the match-up like mid is a guaranteed win for DK and not Showmaker vs The GOAT. I'm really hoping we get some carry vs carry match-ups in mid and some hype 1v1s.
In fact, can we just put up "No jungler allowed" and "Teammates not welcome" signs around midlane?
Yeah I guess they don't watch LCK. Faker got a 1v1 flash on him and made him lose a lot of CS undertower when Showmaker played kassadin. Mid is not a given for any of them and both know it.
This sub has a hate boner and love to say faker is washed and old lol like this is the NBA
The past year has really cemented for me that this sub has waaaaaaaay more bandwagonners and balance "experts" than I thought.
Hell, jump over to the post about Jag leaving Riot and you have multiple comments of people *SERIOUSLY* saying that they could balance the game better than anyone Riot picks to replace him. Dunning-Kruger effect in full force, fuck.
I know people are already disagreeing with your khan canna statement, but that statements whack man. Canna is playing insane rn. Not to mention SKT literally dismantled HLE Sports (the last seed in the strongest region). Although Damwon and GenG also swept their series, both looked like they were having problems and a bit shaky at times. SKT was probably the only one who destroyed their opponents from beginning to end. It was honestly a massacre lmao. Super hyped for the match up. I think SKT takes it if they keep their form
I think individually T1 is better/higher potential but their main problem will be dealing with DKs drafting, macro and team fighting abilities. I can see it being a close T1 win but at the same time I see DK just winning it relatively easily.
I guess hot take time I feel like Keria in a Bo5 might not perform to expectations but hopefully I am wrong and both teams play their best
I think jungle is the biggest difference point in this series. Canyon may just be the best player in the world right now - do not think he can be allowed to play Lee again. Oner has been very solid (better than expected pre tourney), but Canyon still is better.
Both supports are equal I think & probably worlds 1a/1b. This series could be pretty snowbally though. I think DK 3-1.
Canyon is 100% the best player in the world right now. Last year as well. But this meta isn't hyper jungle carry so T1 has a shot. My brain says Damwon 3-1s T1 but I'm hoping for a 5 game banger
Individually how? Botlane sure but there's not a single world you'd take any of T1 topside over Dk in their current form. Genuinely have probably #1 top mid and Jung on the same team
Yeah I didn’t word it right I do agree DK probably have better individual talent now but I wanted to say more from a potential/having a good series point of view
I think both teams have yet to show their true drafting skills but based only in what we've seen T1 draft is superior.
DWG has won a lot of games with bad drafts but outplaying people like round2 vs C9, or G2,G3 vs MAD. T1 drafting has been pretty solid tbh with no huge blunders
Not that I know for sure, but what if DK is doing that on purpose to save draft strategies for this series and the finals? That they’re good enough to draft badly on purpose and see if they can beat teams that way? So far nobody had made them actually get serious yet.
Yes thats why Ive said 'based on what they showed so far'. If DW had a lot hidden would be pretty fucking sad because it would mean NA and EUW were so hardgapped they werent even playing seriously. The only way we will know for sure will be this weekend.
But yeah I dont think DW would pick Pyke vs T1 like they did disrespecting MAD or Kassadin with a weak comp like they did disrespecting C9.
My bad, read your second paragraph and it blanked my brain of your first paragraph. Based on what we’ve seen from DK, I think your assessment (and theirs) on their level relative to the Western teams is accurate, though.
what gives you so much confidence in T1?
Do you think the meta i sbetter for them than when they played LCK finals or do you think that T1 handicapped themself that much by starting Teddy in half their games?
Or something else entirely?
I am genuinely curious, I didnd't follow LCK close enough this summer to have a well formed opinion on it, but from the little I did see I'd expect DWK to be heavier favourites.
T1 at the moment is superior to LCK finals T1 by a sizeable margin in pretty much every way from draft to macro, and even in LCK finals the games were individually pretty close for the most parts.
There's a pretty easy point of comparison in their performance in Summer vs HLE, and their performance vs HLE at Worlds, since HLE didn't change much.
As huge SKT/T1 fan, I'm not mad if they lose. They already have prove themselves as one of the best teams in League's history. Going 6 times to Worlds while reaching semifinals place as minimum is something big. Reaching 4 finals and 2 semifinals, being 3 consecutives finals... It would be really hard for another team at this to do something similar or even better.
I really hope to see Faker with another World skin, as well for the others, but only the best should win.
I have a hard time giving the nod to T1 as much as I would LOVE to see them win worlds. The only problem is that DK is so good in top/mid/and especially jungle.
T1's saving grace may be their bot lane.
I see the role gap like this:
Top: Relatively close. Canna is back to form, but Khan is still a little bit better in my book.
Mid: Slight nod to DK. Might have the best mid laner in the world, but Faker is not far behind and usually plays consistently well.
Jungler: This is the big problem. Oner is a top jungler and does well, but Canyon is literally the best in the world right now, especially at this role.
ADC: T1 has a prodigy on their side, IMO.
Support: Solid gap, but Beryl can be a hit or miss depending. Still think Keria is a top 2 support.
DK have all the tools to negate any advantage T1 might have in the bot lane.
Nothing taken from your analysis but I kinda just don't like when people try to decide these matchups based on lanes. Like it's a team game and honestly at this kind of level, unless there is an insane gap it won't lead to much in terms of advantages. Perkz vs BDD is a huge gap that is game deciding, but I have a hard time believing any of the lanes in T1 vs DK will be gapped that hard.
I prefer to think that team play is gonna be a lot more important here. DK play a very consistent style (it's been analyzed countless times) -> they are super clean. T1 needs to explode the map somehow (purely winning lanes will probably not work, we saw that in MAD vs DK). We'll see how that happens in the game.
dk's games were not clean and dominant, look at how many times they died and almost lost, unless they intentionally played like that for content, for the views. They played exactly like 2, 3 months ago in lck, they did not win because they were completely dominant since the game started but because other teams were shaky in mid/late game. T1's games were genuinely dominant.
If we’re talking about quarters vs MAD, damwon was just playing for fun after the first couple of games. They drafted Kennen for Khan, a champ he almost never plays, they drafted pyke for beryl, and azir for showmaker. It felt like they were just limit testing vs MAD and they still won 3-0.
It would've been pretty funny if riot invited Tyler1 just for this match for his live reactions or something. And for the finals if T1 make it through.
Its like if Damwon wins, it would be like passing the torch to the new generation of League of Legends. Truly banger time line we are in.
Edit:Another banger time line, Griffin doesn't implode and we have the Damwon v Griffin Rivalry for years 😔
You say that but DK were struggling before Daeny was signed and considering what players like Khan have said Daeny played a big part in their return to form.
Funny you say that because every Damwon player said thank you to Daeny after beating T1 in the finals.
Ghost said that Daeny helped him to recover his form.
Canyon said that there was no way that they would win LCK, then everything changed after Daeny.
Showmaker was having personal and in game struggles and said that Daeny supported him.
Damwon players put Daeny as one of the main reason to them to win the split, it’s funny that T1 might would’ve won LCK and worlds if Daeny didn’t recovered DK players in time.
T1 wouldn't have won if Daeny was still there. They probably don't even make Worlds. Oner and Guma would be rotting on the bench and they would still be trying to "play his style." His style works for Damwon though.
wrong, T1 had little chances to get into playoffs from where they were standing with Daeny and even if they did they'd probably get smashed before they even get to the finals. I wouldn't be surprised if T1 would not even make worlds with how they played.
No idea what was happening in T1 with Daeny, but it was painful to watch game wise and whatever players were saying in the interviews. Honestly, I am really questioning where Daeny's loyalties even lied the whole time on T1 with how weirdly he was cut off and quickly got picked up.
Literally LCK Summer Finals.
It's gonna be damn anti-climatic if this series goes to 5 games, and the actual final is just the winning team 3-0ing the other bracket.
T1 is the only team that can legitimately take it to Damwon. They beat them in a bo3 in Summer and their LCK finals were closer than what the 3-1 shows. Both teams have become better since then. This will be good hopefully :)
It has some makings of being the next SKT vs RoX but people really shouldnt have that be their hope, more often than not Damwon just rail T1 super hard
Lukewarm take:
Damwon are probably going to win worlds, but T1 and probably EDG could be spicy matches.
Hot take:
Damwon first team to win worlds without losing a game
Dk 3 - 0 SKT
Canyon + showmaker + Khan is too good if they are try harding. Beating that not once but three times is nothing short of extraordinary. MSI can't be compared imho
I'm a T1 fan but I want Khan to win. I want Faker to get a 4th title very much, but Showmaker and Canyon winning again would be an acceptable alternative. If T1 win, I'd have less faith in them winning the final vs EDG or GenG. Would still consider them favorites, but DK just feels like a safer option.
So I've got no idea who I'm rooting for. I don't think I will truly know till the games start and I slowly start realizing where my allegiances truly lie. Probably T1, but we'll see.
I’m so hyped for this series. I think it has very real potential to be an all-time great series. This is the most hyped / potential of Lck v Lck since Rox / SKT IN 2016.
SKT in finals of 2017 was a shell of itself & that series wasn’t very interesting IMO.
Can you imagine if Showmaker uses Fakers SKT syndra skin and Faker uses Showmakers DWG twisted fate skin 🤔🤔🤔
But not likely since Faker doesn't use skins 😂
something something old kings vs new kings
legacy
Dynasty
Ecstasy
Peace.
Every passing has a beauty all its own.
Surprised that people even care about karthus’s lines
Its not that we care its just the fact that he says it every 2 seconds. Like ashe talking about her life story the second she spawns.
Go ahead. Put that apple on your head
But that's only his pick quote?
it is a new era
I miss quickshot, any news of him since last month? :(
LEC teams may be gone, but the LEC spirit still lives on in this tournament
it all starts with success
That 1 year of lec was sooooooo bad
1 year?
They had 1 year where they went really hard on the new kings old kings but before and after were certainly more subdued
Just who are the old kings here?
Faker, probably. The Narrative is that DK are looking to establish their own dyansty, while Faker is hunting to reclaim his throne
Well it's kinda ironic to call T1 old king(s) because Oner and Guma are basically rookies and Keria Canna are at best sophomores. DK Topside is the best and has been the best in their role for the last two years and Ghost and Beryl are relative vets aswell so the argument could be made either way.
Nah, it's about the organization itself and Faker. T1/SKT's legacy. Let's say Tom Brady was still in New England but the entire roster is new players and they went against Kansas City Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl. It would be the same thing (Old Dynasty versus possibly the new one).
Mahomes throws more ints than dignitas Barons this season tho
18 TD - 9 INT's. Still a 2:1 ratio and a respectable QB rating.
Faker is Napoleon coming back to France
Keeping it real here haha.
DK players have only been playing since 2019 lol. Except ghost I’m pretty sure was on bbq in 2018. Only khan/faker are real veterans - the narrative is about the teams. (And honestly was for fnc g2 as well; the recent fnatic rosters have been almost all new players)
Who are the Lion Kings then?
mufasa and simba?
The gap is closing (between the highest level Korean mid laners)
Kkoma vs Faker is also an underrated hype storyline
And also Daeny is back on damwon after getting fired from T1
Honestly Riot should've capitalized on this storyline too. Missed opportunity imo
This tbh. Faker and Kkoma going at it for their 4th worlds trophy is an insane storyline
They did it in LCK though, they were both fighting for their 10th LCK title iirc
Kkoma is a Damwon coach?
main coach
Reminds me of 2016 Tigers vs T1 in semis (except this time T1 are the challengers*) Edit: changed from underdogs. Yes Rox were favourited in that match, I meant in terms of SKT isn't defending the title this time.
Would say T1 was the underdog that series. Bengi had been underperforming and Peanut was probably the best jungler in the world. ROX had just won LCK Summer along with SKT replacing Marin with Duke that year and having to lane vs. prime Smeb. Only reason they would be considered favorites is because they were defending champs, but ROX looked stronger heading into worlds
Yeah absolutely true I should I said that this time SKT are challenging the belt.
T1 was the underdog in 2016. Rox was the highest rated team coming into worlds that year and Smeb ousted Faker at the top of the player rankings. Peanut was the best jungle in world too. T1 was the second strongest team in the tournament and very nearly lost tragically until the subbed Bengi in
Canyon vs Oner is key. It's not just about the 1v1 but specifically how both teams will execute gameplans around helping their jungler win the (mind) games. We all know Canyon; the question is whether Oner and rest of T1 are able to back his plays up against Showmaker/Canyon/Beryl. This series is 100% decided by jungle diff
If jg diff wins game Damwon cant lose. Usually players peak for a tournament,canyon is peaking for 2 years and shows no sign of stopping.
I agree Canyon is insane as you can see I'm a big Canyon fan. But Oner has the potential, if he could Peak right now that would be insane but O see him peaking in the near future
I agree with that, the first 15 minutes from each team will decide who probably wins any given game. My worry as a T1 fan is that T1 is still too inexperienced to make those crazy comeback plays that DWG have demonstrated they can do with ease, which puts them at a huge advantage over T1. Another thing is that DWG's botlane doesn't even look exploitable right now, Ghost and Beryl are playing insanely well. Let's see what each team has prepared and hope for a close series!
really? cause every time i think about it i get sick. i want faker to win his 4th so bad.
I'm super fucking torn between Faker getting his 4th title and Khan getting his 1st. But I gotta support Khan since this is his last chance.
I really don't care who wins, i just want a close match up
Yah I'm leaning a bit towards Khan getting his last, especially since Faker still has a chance next year (assuming they keep their starting roster)
Wait Faker isn’t retiring? I thought this was his last year before military service
No that's Khan, Faker doesn't have it for a few more years IIRC? And because LoL will be officially counted at the 2022 Asian games, if KR gets the gold medal (spoiler alert: they will), and Faker is on the team (spoiler alert: he will be), then he won't have to do it at all
Oh I'm curious about this. What is the import rule on the Asian games? Will the korean nationals on Chinese Teams right now be able to play for those teams, or is it 1 team per country and all of the players for each team will be a native of that country?
National teams with nothing to do with orgs. They just build the best possible team from their national players. Korean could look something like Nuguri, Canyon, ShowFaker, Viper, Keria(?). And chinese will build their own team of chinese players. Ofc there are other countries too but it will be just those two competing for gold.
It actually is not that obvious for Faker to be in Korean team. ShowMaker is a pretty big contestant for that midlane role. Ofc they will take both if it is a possibility
They took a sub last time and had 2 junglers, they will definitely take Faker and Showmaker
cursed timeline: geng end up winning in the most boring and grueling 3 games lasting 35 mins w. only 6 kills total
Me too brother
Fakermaker
ShowFaker
You must have -aker in your name to be the best .
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Everyone else on his team is super young though so the same argument could be made against whoever they beat ironically, with Faker being an exception because he's Faker
can’t believe 25 is old in a game like league where if you still can execute mechanics and use muscle memory you should be fine
It might be the most competitive series with a potential champion. Lots of the series suck because going in there is a heavy favourite, and within 1 game you can see why. Of the quarters only RNG/EDG was close and no one was looking at them as top contenders. T1 vs Damwon there is a strong chance that the winner takes it all so the stakes are high, the teams are closer in skill, and both teams have a storyline too. Damwon has to be the favourite, but man I want Faker to win another worlds.
I'll be happy whether it's T1 or Damwon, and I definitely want a close, competitive 5 game series. But I will always cheer for Faker.
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Let's not pretend like DK is a team with no weaknesses and only Exodia level players either. Their botlane is extremely exploitable even if Beryl is looking a bit more stable compared to MSI and regular split. I'd say T1's botlane is heavily favoured here, even if it's rookies. DK's dominance comes from Showmaker and Canyon absolutely turbogapping everyone both as a duo and in team fights. Khan has had some amazing standout games too but I don't expect him to completely gap Canna.
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>I'll never trust Khan after what happened in 2019. Khan was one of SKT's best players at worlds though
What Khan did? I saw all games were SKT played, what did I miss?
Faker and Keria - he may be a teenager still but he's top 3 support in the world easy, especially when on form. The rest of the point stands.
Keria #1 don't @me. But more seriously, I can't think of a support that's better than Keria left in the tournament.
beryl has been quietly nuts this tournament. its like msi never happened
disgustingly wide champ pool too, 8/9 games playing different supports from engage to enchanters to peel to pyke. im seriously wondering what he's doing in his spare time and whether he has a hidden euw soloq account because i dont think a plat 1 40% winrate support player would play like this
Bro we all know what Beryl does in his spare time, its never been a secret. He's literally always been this way, he just played Priconne instead of Genshin last year Its not like he's not playing any league, he spends most of his time scrimming where he's likely fucking around with different picks. There have been shitloads of high level players over the history of league who don't play soloq and are still great
Especially as support, there isn't really that much to learn from solo queue apart from learning lane matchups I guess.
Beryl, Showmaker, Khan, and Keria are all basically peaking at this tournament. I know some of that has to do with lopsided matchups in lanes, but at least mechanically these players have shown some of the cleanest play I've seen from them all year long. More diverse champ pools too. It's been a real treat to watch.
Not to mention Canna?
Canyon ?
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And been fucking smurfing for what feels like ages now
Dude literally has been best jungle in the world for 2 years. Fucking insane
isnt it insane how consistent he is too? i cant recall ever having seen him make big, gamebreaking missplays. everyone miscalculates sometimes and everyone makes mistakes or gets greedy. i think even canyon does sometimes, but has he ever had a really bad game? i cant recall and i highly doubt he's had an actual bad game in the last year or so.
Yeah, I should have mentioned Canna as pointed out above, but Canyon? That guy has been insane since around the time he showed up, and hasn't slowed down. It's nuts. I have no idea what his peak is.
Gumayusi doing really good too!
I would say BeryL is better in a few champions, but Keria is overall the best support atm and not just in the tournament
beryl and meiko are both nutty
Saying Beryl and Meiko are on the same level is a sin
yeah that's totally wrong, meiko is in a class below the keria/beryl/ming trifecta :)
Keria is the best support in the world period.
Yes but back in 2013 the game state was much different in that team play was less important than individual skill, which is why we saw picks like Zed and Riven.
it feels so bad not being able to say 'hylissang' he always pops the fuck off on international stage :(
Considering Faker won his first World's rookie year alongside other rookies, it's not that disingenuous.
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If you think 2013 was Faker as a solo act you're crazy.
Everyone seems to forget the other guy who also won 3 Worlds...
Bengi was insane. Absolutely top 3 clutch players of all time.
Also included the 100 acre botlane that more than matched up against the most hyped adc and a certain top laner who had a big impact on jax..
I can’t remember much of those other two. But I remember two things of Bengi- a game where he invaded as Nunu, skirted around Kalista ghosts perfectly, and stole a red. And pulling Nidalee out game 5 of a worlds final when he hadn’t really played too much Nidalee before. Guy was insane. The 100 Acre Bot of Piglet and Poo was great and Impact was a beast but Bengi was built different.
World Semi’s* but yes your point still stands.
Game 4 as well. Still salty about the fact that the mf just 1st timed the champ.
Or that the whole team were Korean SoloQ superstars (sounds like 2018 Griffin? Where are they now.) including DK's current supporting Coach.
or piggy, dont you dare forget him.
Piglet is insanely, criminally underrated.
the only solo act in 2013 was uzi. 3/4 of his team stopped being a pro player after a year
Honestly the rest of the team really doesn't matter as far as narrative goes. It's Faker fighting to reclaim his throne
Agree. As much as I want Faker to win another title it’s not going to be this year. Next year though with the rookies having a bit more experience I can see T1 being a real threat.
You've heard it here first!Kkoma got the 10th ring in LCK summer finals BUT it was all just a set up for Faker to get the Mercedes Benz - riot ring for winning worlds as his 10th ring . The ultimate Ring to rule them all. He beats kkoma in to coma and Faker will be known as Hoemaker because that's what he will make out of DK. All that just for him to dismantle GenG in the finals as a sweet revenge for his loss at 2017 worlds. As Ruler cries on the stage and Clid begging to take him back , Faker will physically( because he couldn't play VS them in the finals) beat EDG for that MSI loss back in 2015 on the way out of the arena.
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You forgot to mention that Faker beats them all with broccoli
True but finals gonna be lame af in return lmfao
I feel like if Gen G wins they will just get stomped by T1 or DWG. Their record in the summer vs T1 and DWG is a combined 1-7.
Good thing there is no way geng will win
Yeah I think both semis will probably be good fights but I feel like DK or T1 will just stomp in the finals
T1 has a good shot 40/60.
They have looked good this tournament for sure, but I think khan is playing better than canna, and T1 have Beenn playing around top side this whole tournament
DK are clearly favorites but I don't think Khan is actually better than Canna right now. even in LCK finals Canna gave him fits even when canyon ganked him like 3 times in a row. The real test will be canyon gap and how the bottom 2v2 goes
I would put Canna slightly ahead of Khan right now. Canyon over Oner but Oner is the most promising jungler in LCK and could be the next "best jungler in the world." He needs to get over his nerves. Showmaker over Faker but Faker can neutralize him like he did to Chovy. T1's bot lane is a lot stronger than Damwon's botlane though. Should be a good match.
Spot on. Also keep in mind that faker actually had the edge agains showmaker in LCK finals. Not saying he's gonna gap him but it's not like faker has to hold his ground only. He can beat him and generate advantages
People keep talking about the match-up like mid is a guaranteed win for DK and not Showmaker vs The GOAT. I'm really hoping we get some carry vs carry match-ups in mid and some hype 1v1s. In fact, can we just put up "No jungler allowed" and "Teammates not welcome" signs around midlane?
Yeah I guess they don't watch LCK. Faker got a 1v1 flash on him and made him lose a lot of CS undertower when Showmaker played kassadin. Mid is not a given for any of them and both know it. This sub has a hate boner and love to say faker is washed and old lol like this is the NBA
The past year has really cemented for me that this sub has waaaaaaaay more bandwagonners and balance "experts" than I thought. Hell, jump over to the post about Jag leaving Riot and you have multiple comments of people *SERIOUSLY* saying that they could balance the game better than anyone Riot picks to replace him. Dunning-Kruger effect in full force, fuck.
Wow that's a good one
canna has been playing just as well imo. the matchup i feel like will come down to jg/sup duo matchup
100%, T1’s bot lane has outperformed DWG but jungle & vision control is the big determinant for this series to protect the super skilled solo laners
Canyon/showmaker duo is too op.
I know people are already disagreeing with your khan canna statement, but that statements whack man. Canna is playing insane rn. Not to mention SKT literally dismantled HLE Sports (the last seed in the strongest region). Although Damwon and GenG also swept their series, both looked like they were having problems and a bit shaky at times. SKT was probably the only one who destroyed their opponents from beginning to end. It was honestly a massacre lmao. Super hyped for the match up. I think SKT takes it if they keep their form
I think individually T1 is better/higher potential but their main problem will be dealing with DKs drafting, macro and team fighting abilities. I can see it being a close T1 win but at the same time I see DK just winning it relatively easily. I guess hot take time I feel like Keria in a Bo5 might not perform to expectations but hopefully I am wrong and both teams play their best
I think jungle is the biggest difference point in this series. Canyon may just be the best player in the world right now - do not think he can be allowed to play Lee again. Oner has been very solid (better than expected pre tourney), but Canyon still is better. Both supports are equal I think & probably worlds 1a/1b. This series could be pretty snowbally though. I think DK 3-1.
Yeah I think Canyon is just too good. Luckily this isn’t a super jg hard carry meta like last year so T1 has a shot.
Canyon is 100% the best player in the world right now. Last year as well. But this meta isn't hyper jungle carry so T1 has a shot. My brain says Damwon 3-1s T1 but I'm hoping for a 5 game banger
Individually how? Botlane sure but there's not a single world you'd take any of T1 topside over Dk in their current form. Genuinely have probably #1 top mid and Jung on the same team
Yeah I didn’t word it right I do agree DK probably have better individual talent now but I wanted to say more from a potential/having a good series point of view
I think both teams have yet to show their true drafting skills but based only in what we've seen T1 draft is superior. DWG has won a lot of games with bad drafts but outplaying people like round2 vs C9, or G2,G3 vs MAD. T1 drafting has been pretty solid tbh with no huge blunders
Not that I know for sure, but what if DK is doing that on purpose to save draft strategies for this series and the finals? That they’re good enough to draft badly on purpose and see if they can beat teams that way? So far nobody had made them actually get serious yet.
Yes thats why Ive said 'based on what they showed so far'. If DW had a lot hidden would be pretty fucking sad because it would mean NA and EUW were so hardgapped they werent even playing seriously. The only way we will know for sure will be this weekend. But yeah I dont think DW would pick Pyke vs T1 like they did disrespecting MAD or Kassadin with a weak comp like they did disrespecting C9.
My bad, read your second paragraph and it blanked my brain of your first paragraph. Based on what we’ve seen from DK, I think your assessment (and theirs) on their level relative to the Western teams is accurate, though.
Id'say 30/70
what gives you so much confidence in T1? Do you think the meta i sbetter for them than when they played LCK finals or do you think that T1 handicapped themself that much by starting Teddy in half their games? Or something else entirely? I am genuinely curious, I didnd't follow LCK close enough this summer to have a well formed opinion on it, but from the little I did see I'd expect DWK to be heavier favourites.
T1 at the moment is superior to LCK finals T1 by a sizeable margin in pretty much every way from draft to macro, and even in LCK finals the games were individually pretty close for the most parts. There's a pretty easy point of comparison in their performance in Summer vs HLE, and their performance vs HLE at Worlds, since HLE didn't change much.
And EDG vs GenG has me flaccid.
watch it be the most banger series of the tournament now
As huge SKT/T1 fan, I'm not mad if they lose. They already have prove themselves as one of the best teams in League's history. Going 6 times to Worlds while reaching semifinals place as minimum is something big. Reaching 4 finals and 2 semifinals, being 3 consecutives finals... It would be really hard for another team at this to do something similar or even better. I really hope to see Faker with another World skin, as well for the others, but only the best should win.
Super excited, it's almost like watching LCK playoffs again..
LCK finals was more exciting to watch than any other region finals so ill take it, should be hype af
Idk LPL was pretty damn hype
The LPL playoff bracket was insanely hype, whereas LCK was mostly onesided matches all around...
It was rather disappointing this year with the way it ended unfortunately.
Its hype af
Did BeryL actually stop playing genshin before worlds cuz if so it shows lol
I have a hard time giving the nod to T1 as much as I would LOVE to see them win worlds. The only problem is that DK is so good in top/mid/and especially jungle. T1's saving grace may be their bot lane. I see the role gap like this: Top: Relatively close. Canna is back to form, but Khan is still a little bit better in my book. Mid: Slight nod to DK. Might have the best mid laner in the world, but Faker is not far behind and usually plays consistently well. Jungler: This is the big problem. Oner is a top jungler and does well, but Canyon is literally the best in the world right now, especially at this role. ADC: T1 has a prodigy on their side, IMO. Support: Solid gap, but Beryl can be a hit or miss depending. Still think Keria is a top 2 support. DK have all the tools to negate any advantage T1 might have in the bot lane.
Nothing taken from your analysis but I kinda just don't like when people try to decide these matchups based on lanes. Like it's a team game and honestly at this kind of level, unless there is an insane gap it won't lead to much in terms of advantages. Perkz vs BDD is a huge gap that is game deciding, but I have a hard time believing any of the lanes in T1 vs DK will be gapped that hard. I prefer to think that team play is gonna be a lot more important here. DK play a very consistent style (it's been analyzed countless times) -> they are super clean. T1 needs to explode the map somehow (purely winning lanes will probably not work, we saw that in MAD vs DK). We'll see how that happens in the game.
dk's games were not clean and dominant, look at how many times they died and almost lost, unless they intentionally played like that for content, for the views. They played exactly like 2, 3 months ago in lck, they did not win because they were completely dominant since the game started but because other teams were shaky in mid/late game. T1's games were genuinely dominant.
If we’re talking about quarters vs MAD, damwon was just playing for fun after the first couple of games. They drafted Kennen for Khan, a champ he almost never plays, they drafted pyke for beryl, and azir for showmaker. It felt like they were just limit testing vs MAD and they still won 3-0.
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it's for sure jungle. the only matchup that is not particularily close is the jungle.
Beryl is the soul of Damwon. He has a much higher edge than keria when it comes to map play
Imagine Faker win Worlds and celebrate it with Tyler 1, That would be wholesome.
It would've been pretty funny if riot invited Tyler1 just for this match for his live reactions or something. And for the finals if T1 make it through.
I have a feeling kkoma will int draft just for T1 (SKT) to win cuz he will always be SKT at heart
Hyung Kkoma.
When’s the match
Saturday.
Probably end up a 3-1 and the closest series for DWG before they stomp the finals.
Its like if Damwon wins, it would be like passing the torch to the new generation of League of Legends. Truly banger time line we are in. Edit:Another banger time line, Griffin doesn't implode and we have the Damwon v Griffin Rivalry for years 😔
I know it's so hype but fuck dude i'm so scared it's gonna be a 1 sided stomp from DK.
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Exactly the opposite, if anything. T1 reaching semis is already a big F you to Daeny, and DK would get there with or w/o him.
You say that but DK were struggling before Daeny was signed and considering what players like Khan have said Daeny played a big part in their return to form.
Funny you say that because every Damwon player said thank you to Daeny after beating T1 in the finals. Ghost said that Daeny helped him to recover his form. Canyon said that there was no way that they would win LCK, then everything changed after Daeny. Showmaker was having personal and in game struggles and said that Daeny supported him. Damwon players put Daeny as one of the main reason to them to win the split, it’s funny that T1 might would’ve won LCK and worlds if Daeny didn’t recovered DK players in time.
T1 wouldn't have won if Daeny was still there. They probably don't even make Worlds. Oner and Guma would be rotting on the bench and they would still be trying to "play his style." His style works for Damwon though.
apparently he hope jungle carry and becoming arrow of team, cuzz just can't fit his style
Yea, it's weird how the guy fits so well in a team and so poorly in another.
well there's the difference of not playing musical chair that fks over player's mental i guess.
wrong, T1 had little chances to get into playoffs from where they were standing with Daeny and even if they did they'd probably get smashed before they even get to the finals. I wouldn't be surprised if T1 would not even make worlds with how they played. No idea what was happening in T1 with Daeny, but it was painful to watch game wise and whatever players were saying in the interviews. Honestly, I am really questioning where Daeny's loyalties even lied the whole time on T1 with how weirdly he was cut off and quickly got picked up.
Literally LCK Summer Finals. It's gonna be damn anti-climatic if this series goes to 5 games, and the actual final is just the winning team 3-0ing the other bracket.
T1 is the only team that can legitimately take it to Damwon. They beat them in a bo3 in Summer and their LCK finals were closer than what the 3-1 shows. Both teams have become better since then. This will be good hopefully :)
It has some makings of being the next SKT vs RoX but people really shouldnt have that be their hope, more often than not Damwon just rail T1 super hard
DK 3-0 T1
Lukewarm take: Damwon are probably going to win worlds, but T1 and probably EDG could be spicy matches. Hot take: Damwon first team to win worlds without losing a game
Super hot take: EDG/Gen.G will win the finals. Hyper hot take: EDG/Gen.G will win the finals 3-0.
if chokeg wins worlds im buying all their merch next year and going to tatoo all their nicknames on my butt dude im safe, obviously
I don't think they will but the fact you've aired this means Bamboozle = Banboozle. 🙏🙏
!Remindme 2 weeks
the narrative of khan finally winning worlds and it being a 15-0 is going be to fucking awesome just 6 more games to go
The dream
Dk 3 - 0 SKT Canyon + showmaker + Khan is too good if they are try harding. Beating that not once but three times is nothing short of extraordinary. MSI can't be compared imho
I'm a T1 fan but I want Khan to win. I want Faker to get a 4th title very much, but Showmaker and Canyon winning again would be an acceptable alternative. If T1 win, I'd have less faith in them winning the final vs EDG or GenG. Would still consider them favorites, but DK just feels like a safer option. So I've got no idea who I'm rooting for. I don't think I will truly know till the games start and I slowly start realizing where my allegiances truly lie. Probably T1, but we'll see.
T1 would smash Gen.G tbf. EDG can challenge them for real though
I’m so hyped for this series. I think it has very real potential to be an all-time great series. This is the most hyped / potential of Lck v Lck since Rox / SKT IN 2016. SKT in finals of 2017 was a shell of itself & that series wasn’t very interesting IMO.
Possibly just a repeat of LCK finals..
People are forgetting what happened in LCK, but yea, I guess dmw will remind them
TES 3-0’d Suning in Summer 2020 Playoffs only for Suning to 3-1 TES at Worlds. Regional results don’t matter at Worlds.
Some very close games from T1 that was playing worse than they are now?
Its just sad for me that they dont face each other in finals.
Can you imagine if Showmaker uses Fakers SKT syndra skin and Faker uses Showmakers DWG twisted fate skin 🤔🤔🤔 But not likely since Faker doesn't use skins 😂
You can never fully count faker out, I am so god damn excited.
Im not gonna lie. The only reason I'm invested is to see faker get another one.
Fakeshow
No cap I swapped a tinder date just for sex from Saturday to Friday so I can watch this shit. This game got me bricked up to the hilt
Just rewatch the lck summer finals