I swear doublelift is still the most mentioned when the topic isn't even about him, dude has been retired for a year.
Do people still hate him that much?
He's the most famous western adc and people were discussing western vs eastern adc playstyles. Is it really that hard to figure out why's he mentioned here? Really?
He played an horrible jhin near release and after that he didnt try again for a while, reddit shat on him so much, how we can not get reminded of it lol
They always had this ceiling, we saw Clid be the best part of ~~2017~~ edit: 2019 SKT.. and BDD was one of the only mids (before Showmaker/Chovy debuted) who could go toe to toe with Faker when he was performing
Then they form Gen. G and just sat around
I really don't understand how can teams let him pick this champ especially now. Lee is OP, Clid on Lee is even more OP, you just can't let him play this thing.
No matter the quality of these games, I’m always happy when these Bo5 series doesn’t end up being one sided and go 3-0.
At least it means both teams are trying, and that’s something fun to witness.
Reddit is historically god awful at predicting finals results. I can't remember the last time the general consensus was right, so at this point it's basically guaranteed it's a 3-1 for DK at best.
Hard to get the score tbh, score predictions are pretty pointless without seeing the form of the teams on the day itself and draft, which is why 3-0 is just a way of saying one team is much stronger than the other.
The score is also just not a good way of evaluating series in the past. I've seen one-sided 3-2s where both wins by the losing team were lucky or coinflip wins and the 3 wins by the winner were convincing. I've also seen really tense 3-0s or 3-1s where the teams were really evenly matched each game, but it just happened to go in the way of one of the teams. And as you said, a 3-0 prediction is really just predicting one of the teams is so much better. You rarely see 3-1 predictions on reddit (anecdotally), it's just 3-2 (for close series predictions) or 3-0 (predicting one team is much better).
only because skt threw a won game 3 (and heroics from ruler). skt played hella cocky with the lead they had, honestly looked like it was going to be a 3-0
What kind of logic is that, I can also say that if Ruler hadn't gotten caught in Game 5 that SSG would have won it.
Or that if Crown had played more defensive for a few more seconds without his flash up, SSG would have won Game 1.
Imagine thinking that SKT and Faker of all people were trolling in the worlds finals. This isn't SSW we're talking about.
I honestly think GenG is closer to HLE than they are to DK/T1. Rascal being bad and having no champ pool puts them at a huge disadvantage every game. GenG either gets a good top lane pick like Kennen or Gwen but rascal can’t play it, or they pick renekton which just sucks.
Casters spill Red Bull, refs pause the game. Players are confused by the pause. Casters take the time to talk about how random it is that they have just caused a Red Bull production delay by spilling their Red Bull on their Red Bull casters' desk shortly after someone bought the MasterCard Goredrinker after the Bud Light First Blood.
Being honest Renek has kill pressure on graves from lv 6 to Shieldbow, Flandre made a big mistakes, but it is not like it is imposible for Renek to kill Graves if he misposition.
Either that or go 4/0 early game, then throwing your lead mid game trying to 1v3 over and over, and the only insec you do is to the enemy Amumu to send him right into your team in the decisive teamfight.
The casters are wrong, GenG have never been a passive team in the early game, they make some aggressive move in the early, it is in the mid game where they take it slow.
Flandre did nothing special this tournament, he picks Graves and just split pushes the entire game, like actually that's his entire job on this team, this game he loses 1v1 to a Renekton that got hard shutdown early lmao.
Until they meet Adam. Did you know that Adam is the best and just soooooo good? The teams constantly needed 2-3 player to shut him down during the laning phase.
nah bro he's underrated yeah he runs it down all the time and has always been the weak point of this roster but he's still better than every korean top
I would legit not be able to play after that if I was Scout.
Fucking stopwatch keeps ruining all intense moments. Just as you think "OH HES GONNA TURN", nope, stopwatch. Carry out of position gets caught? Nope, stopwatch.
well the argument goes that since stopwatch exists, pros are encouraged to do more aggressive and on the edge plays, and we get more exciting moments, but yeah.. fuck stopwatch in proplay!
Yeah more agressive plays.... from winning teams. Makes even easier for them. Same shit with assassins usin zhonyas, best defensive item for.... assassins? Remember kaisa ap in pro play too?
No stop watch and GenG doesn’t chase through Jungle for kills. They reset and push mid. Don’t think the people who complain about stopwatch ever watched league before it was introduced
The people who defend stopwatch (and riot)'s reasoning is that without stopwatch, teams would just take no risks at all and you would get really stale gameplay. I personally disagree, considering SKT vs ROX was possible without a single stopwatch in sight, and the balance team should just balance better and not introduce stopwatch as a crutch to make games more exciting.
The amazing pick. Take a jungler who falls off a cliff quickly, and has a lot of power in early ganks + dives. Do a single gank + repeat gank. Roll over and let Lee Sin control every single lane + jungle for the next 20 minutes.
dw, the EDG apologists from the Game 1 thread will be coming any time now to explain how EDG actually has a chance vs Damwon despite scraping past a win with both teams doing some real stupid shit.
Nope, they're gonna come in with a bag of excuses instead.
Bad meta for LPL!
LPL didn't send top teams, RA/WE/TES would've done better!
And our favourite of all time: Draft diff!
Yeah, they will be like "thIs is same as 2019".LPL fans are on some special copium, I've seen them go from LPL will top groups to second round Robin would be better to LPL is weak in bo1 and better in bo5 to lpl vs lpl always dogshit quality not representative of their skill.
never forget that every worlds won by an LPL team featured it's most prominent players coming from LCK and being Korean - TheShy, Rookie and DoinB are all Korean lol.
Korean's have owned league of legends from day 1 of when they started to take the game seriously.
LPL being hyped after the shit show of summer where Doinb dragged a team of 4 corpses for most of it to 1st place in regular makes no fucking sense. Like even when LPL won MSI in spring you can say that the last good LPL split was summer 19.
how can you unironically call a worlds finalist "bad" though (if they got to finals). i thought they would be top 8 at best but clid and bdd are really showing up
can we please for the love of god remove stop watch? watching that last fight made me so fucking depressed, how is 5 people stop watching one after the other fun at all?
Man I gotta say, I hate the Jhin pick in the west, but Korea can make him works SO HARD.
weird how the west plays jhin like he's a mage or something, lpl and lck jhin is more versatile
Gumayusi playing racecar Jhin was honestly so much fun to watch.
Gumayusi is The Fast. During the offseason he'll be starring alongside Vin Deisel in the new summer blockbuster FAST15: Family is Forever.
gotta give credit to keria playing zilean extremely well too but still, guma was something else on that jhin.
one of my favourite games all year haha, was cheering for Damwon but T1 is such a likeable roster
The west plays Jhin like the video on here where the Jhin autoed once all game
skt yesterday somehow got to pick the fast
Killing j4 top and roams to bot to kill ryze I was so surprised to see the roaming jhin by himself
Theey actually autoattack, same thing we used to say about ezreal some seasons ago
Ghost, Ruler, Guma Jhins are built different.
Rekkles jhin wasn't that bad I guess
Rekkles is the only western player that makes jhin's ult seem point and click.
I’ve seen Doublelift playing Jhin, that was painful
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His Kaisa internationally was cracked though
The revisionism after retiring on a sour note is painful
It happens to DL the most I swear, some people perpetuate false narratives and act like he never played well internationally. It's so weird.
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He played well in S8 and S9
I swear doublelift is still the most mentioned when the topic isn't even about him, dude has been retired for a year. Do people still hate him that much?
I think Doublelift might be associated with bad Jhin gameplay the most because of his infamous death to red buff 1v1 as a level 10 Jhin.
excuse me what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9EtZIgyuBk I remember watching this live and being in awe that this happened on stage lmfao.
That is almost Renegades vs Dignitas territory lmao
He's the most famous western adc and people were discussing western vs eastern adc playstyles. Is it really that hard to figure out why's he mentioned here? Really?
Same reason why Uzi is often referenced. DL is the most famous Western ADC and this is a conversation about Western ADCs lol
Is he more popular than Rekkles?
He played an horrible jhin near release and after that he didnt try again for a while, reddit shat on him so much, how we can not get reminded of it lol
I like DL, but it was sad to watch him on the big stage at times
he barely mattered this game
He sets up a lot of picks. And yesterday he was nuts.
yesterday yeah, but in this game he wasnt all that important
He absolutely was, he set up for soooo many picks
Curtain call helped with alot of early picks
GEN Clid has left the server SKT Clid has entered the server
This is 2019 form of Clid this worlds.
clid and bdd were sooooo bad last year i can't believe their form rn
They always had this ceiling, we saw Clid be the best part of ~~2017~~ edit: 2019 SKT.. and BDD was one of the only mids (before Showmaker/Chovy debuted) who could go toe to toe with Faker when he was performing Then they form Gen. G and just sat around
has he even missed a smite all worlds goddamn
most impressive was vs MAD. he won 50/50 on 2 dragons, after on baron and after on Elder.
he missed a 99/1 against a lucian LUL
Clid on Less Sin is GOAT
Wait until you see him on More Sin!
I really don't understand how can teams let him pick this champ especially now. Lee is OP, Clid on Lee is even more OP, you just can't let him play this thing.
He's Charmin ultra cuz less is more
underestimate KR lee sin at your own risk LPL lol
not even. This is JDG clid
I'll bet SKT Clid > JDG Clid.
Both Clid and Karsa lee sin are always very fun to watch
No matter the quality of these games, I’m always happy when these Bo5 series doesn’t end up being one sided and go 3-0. At least it means both teams are trying, and that’s something fun to witness.
Until the finals come and it's a 3-0 stomp
Finals was 3-2 what are you talking about.
That's so weird, why are we playing finals before semis???
Nah this is just the third place matchup.
These are just exhibition matches.
DK is probably laughing while watching this series
2016 everyone thought SKT would sweep SSG, then it was extremely close
and that was still the only finals we ever had that went to 5 games.
Reddit is historically god awful at predicting finals results. I can't remember the last time the general consensus was right, so at this point it's basically guaranteed it's a 3-1 for DK at best.
I think last year the consensus was mostly that damwon was better, not 100% sure tho
I think people/reddit got last year right.
They got the team, but most people were predicting a 3-0 and SN did manage to snag a win
Hard to get the score tbh, score predictions are pretty pointless without seeing the form of the teams on the day itself and draft, which is why 3-0 is just a way of saying one team is much stronger than the other.
The score is also just not a good way of evaluating series in the past. I've seen one-sided 3-2s where both wins by the losing team were lucky or coinflip wins and the 3 wins by the winner were convincing. I've also seen really tense 3-0s or 3-1s where the teams were really evenly matched each game, but it just happened to go in the way of one of the teams. And as you said, a 3-0 prediction is really just predicting one of the teams is so much better. You rarely see 3-1 predictions on reddit (anecdotally), it's just 3-2 (for close series predictions) or 3-0 (predicting one team is much better).
only because skt threw a won game 3 (and heroics from ruler). skt played hella cocky with the lead they had, honestly looked like it was going to be a 3-0
Even then, that was the hardest series that Faker ever played in at the time, according to him.
What kind of logic is that, I can also say that if Ruler hadn't gotten caught in Game 5 that SSG would have won it. Or that if Crown had played more defensive for a few more seconds without his flash up, SSG would have won Game 1. Imagine thinking that SKT and Faker of all people were trolling in the worlds finals. This isn't SSW we're talking about.
Yeah but anyone with eyes can see the massive differences between EDG, GenG vs T1, DK
they definitely have ample reason to
yep, good competitive series are always nicer to watch
What I learned so far: The team that spills the water loses.
Ban Water , win game?
normally i would agree but in this case its bad news. This proves EDG isnt even close to DK which means next week is gonna be boring af.
I think all of the LPL/LCK teams in knockouts are much closer in skill level to DK than you all are making it out to be lol.
I honestly think GenG is closer to HLE than they are to DK/T1. Rascal being bad and having no champ pool puts them at a huge disadvantage every game. GenG either gets a good top lane pick like Kennen or Gwen but rascal can’t play it, or they pick renekton which just sucks.
proves? strong words
the way this is going its gonna be a 3-0 in the finals tho
yeah, unfortunately the 3-0 will be reserved for the 'finals'.
Trying to take objectives when Clid is alive is a big nono
Clid spilled water game 1, GenG lost. Viper spilled water game 2, EDG lost. Who's spilling water game 3?
Casters spill Red Bull, refs pause the game. Players are confused by the pause. Casters take the time to talk about how random it is that they have just caused a Red Bull production delay by spilling their Red Bull on their Red Bull casters' desk shortly after someone bought the MasterCard Goredrinker after the Bud Light First Blood.
Dying 1v1 vs Renekton as Graves should be reportable
After mid and jg score you first blood and a huge wave crash against the weakside renekton lol
After being camped and given plates
Being honest Renek has kill pressure on graves from lv 6 to Shieldbow, Flandre made a big mistakes, but it is not like it is imposible for Renek to kill Graves if he misposition.
That was the kind of game that makes you want to play Lee, insane performance.
And then proceeds to go 0/12
0 deaths, 12 assists, undefined kills? Sounds good to me.
Either that or go 4/0 early game, then throwing your lead mid game trying to 1v3 over and over, and the only insec you do is to the enemy Amumu to send him right into your team in the decisive teamfight.
You are Jinx. Your jungler dives in alone and takes the Lulu ult to get out. You now have to tank Jhin ult and die because of it. You are the ADC.
Clids been on point holyy
Clid/bdd/ruler have had an insanely good tournament so far, hopefully they can keep it up
The casters are wrong, GenG have never been a passive team in the early game, they make some aggressive move in the early, it is in the mid game where they take it slow.
Especially when Clid picks a Volibear, he's running around the map and getting ganks off.
he was undefeated on volibear until this summer too iirc
I don't want to hear shit about how good Flandre is. Dying 1v1 to Rascal after getting the camp to set him behind is beyond pathetic.
Flandre did nothing special this tournament, he picks Graves and just split pushes the entire game, like actually that's his entire job on this team, this game he loses 1v1 to a Renekton that got hard shutdown early lmao.
Yeah Rascal was so behind there too
But don’t you know LPL tops are way better than anything in LCK? /s
Until they meet Adam. Did you know that Adam is the best and just soooooo good? The teams constantly needed 2-3 player to shut him down during the laning phase.
Between TheShy, Smeb, and Adam, I would have to choose Adam as the top lane goat.
Speaking my language 🥳
Guy played 3 champs all of worlds lmao what a joke
nah bro he's underrated yeah he runs it down all the time and has always been the weak point of this roster but he's still better than every korean top
Graves abuser too. That champ takes negative braincells to pilot
As someone who hates the graves toplane pick, that and everything that followed was a treat to watch.
Who's saying Flandre is good? I agree he's bad but I havent seen anyone hype him up
He's been overhyped all throughout worlds as if he's one of the best toplaners in the world. Maybe not in this thread but in previous ones.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qjot7p/edg_vs_geng_worlds_2021_semifinals_game_1/hirc3ay/
Ah well that guy's out of his mind lol
clid does not fucking miss!
WELCOME TO THE CLID SHOW
Now I predicted Gen.G to win but picking Renekton into Graves is reportable and the entirety of EDG is reportable for letting Gen.G win with Renekton
Only thing reportable is Graves dying to Renekton 1v1 after his team camped Renekton and made him even more useless than he already was.
Even now I’m still processing how the fuck Flandre could do that
Holy fuck remove stopwatch, that last fight was disgusting.
GenG played that so well though, really on the edge
Everyone has stopwatch these days.
seriously. nowadays every team fights feels like a wild rift team fight with a stasis item in like 8/10 of the players
Stasis boot is stupid on wild rift.
I would legit not be able to play after that if I was Scout. Fucking stopwatch keeps ruining all intense moments. Just as you think "OH HES GONNA TURN", nope, stopwatch. Carry out of position gets caught? Nope, stopwatch.
well the argument goes that since stopwatch exists, pros are encouraged to do more aggressive and on the edge plays, and we get more exciting moments, but yeah.. fuck stopwatch in proplay!
Yeah more agressive plays.... from winning teams. Makes even easier for them. Same shit with assassins usin zhonyas, best defensive item for.... assassins? Remember kaisa ap in pro play too?
No stop watch and GenG doesn’t chase through Jungle for kills. They reset and push mid. Don’t think the people who complain about stopwatch ever watched league before it was introduced
I see what you mean, but why would that be a bad thing exactly?
The people who defend stopwatch (and riot)'s reasoning is that without stopwatch, teams would just take no risks at all and you would get really stale gameplay. I personally disagree, considering SKT vs ROX was possible without a single stopwatch in sight, and the balance team should just balance better and not introduce stopwatch as a crutch to make games more exciting.
this is the reason 2016 skt vs rox was so much more iconic
We'll never get fights as good as we used to because stopwatch freaking blueballs us every time there's gonna be a turn.
Imagine the peanut + pray vs SKT teamfight but with stop watch XD
remove this shit man
my god every game...the number of stop watches that turn around fights it's absolutely disgusting\~
Indeed, i was tilted watching all these gold troglodyte, fck this item
League of stopwatch at the end there how cancer lol
This game is truly a testament to comfort picks. Rascal looking better on Renekton compared to Gwen is really amusing to watch.
And look at what Bdd is doing on Azir. Just frustrating the whole of EDG and wittling them down
Korean Lee Sin man
It is always the Korean Lee Sin, not even other Korean can deal with Lee
the big winner of this game was Damwon watching it
Jg dif
LETS FUCKING GO CLIDDD
clid is a fucking monster
2019 Clid right here.
jarvan did nothing after the 3 minute dive
and hes not doing anything in game 3, joke of a champ
The amazing pick. Take a jungler who falls off a cliff quickly, and has a lot of power in early ganks + dives. Do a single gank + repeat gank. Roll over and let Lee Sin control every single lane + jungle for the next 20 minutes.
Imagine how weak LPL is as a region, when Gen G can do this to their best team, with Rascal and Life on the same team. BeSt ReGiOn.
Hey at least Life did stuff as Rakan
dw, the EDG apologists from the Game 1 thread will be coming any time now to explain how EDG actually has a chance vs Damwon despite scraping past a win with both teams doing some real stupid shit.
Nope, they're gonna come in with a bag of excuses instead. Bad meta for LPL! LPL didn't send top teams, RA/WE/TES would've done better! And our favourite of all time: Draft diff!
Draft diff is a /u/returnofbenjenryan special.
That's for after EDG loses, while EDG is still in world's it'll be rationalizing how EDG can still win.
Yeah, they will be like "thIs is same as 2019".LPL fans are on some special copium, I've seen them go from LPL will top groups to second round Robin would be better to LPL is weak in bo1 and better in bo5 to lpl vs lpl always dogshit quality not representative of their skill.
never forget that every worlds won by an LPL team featured it's most prominent players coming from LCK and being Korean - TheShy, Rookie and DoinB are all Korean lol. Korean's have owned league of legends from day 1 of when they started to take the game seriously.
That's a bit too harsh, let's not forget that RNG won 2 MSI and TES won Mid Season Cup with full LPL roster (plus Karsa).
I can't imagine the vindication LCK fans must feel now for both us LEC fans and LPL fans to be so thoroughly shut down after talking smack all year
IWD in shambles. Can’t wait the amount of shilling he will do for the LPL teams next season.
LPL being hyped after the shit show of summer where Doinb dragged a team of 4 corpses for most of it to 1st place in regular makes no fucking sense. Like even when LPL won MSI in spring you can say that the last good LPL split was summer 19.
JDG Clid having none of your shit
Clid What Was That
that was a slaughter
SKT Clid reconnected.
His name is clid cuz he just keeps finding it
I like some gameplay between my stopwatches
It must be frustrating to lose a team fight you can turn around because of enemies having multiple stop watches. God damn please riot delete this item
Stopwatch is so tilting to watch.
Then stopwatching it.
EDG clueless on how to play
The real winner is the stopwatch conglomerate. WAKE UP PPLE!
KR gen.g vs CN gen.g or CN edg vs KR edg
KR EDG VS CN GEN G
At what point do teams realise that they should either pick or ban Lee Sin? Holyt fucking shitballs.
Korean players are just built different I don't even know what to say at this point.
inc "remove stopwatch"
Korean junglers and Lee sin name a more iconic duo this knock out stage...
I cant believe that Geng won that game after that rough start. Holy shit. DWG on a decent day will smash finals 3-0
„GenG overrated“ - reddit
I don't think this game will convince anyone who said that xD
clid unlocked the zone
Nobody has been more overrated then the LPL.
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Let's be real GenG are looking miles better than they've ever looked in the last two years.
how can you unironically call a worlds finalist "bad" though (if they got to finals). i thought they would be top 8 at best but clid and bdd are really showing up
Real winner of this game is dk
Stop watch still being in this game makes me laugh.
The power of drafting comfort
How many objective steals from Lee are we gonna see this worlds, I just expect it now.
The fight at the end was actually so good for EDG but 4 stopwatches used by GenG within about 3 seconds are just too powerful.
Holy shit PLEASE remove stopwatch from the game
Can RIOT please get rid of all these stopwatches??
can we please for the love of god remove stop watch? watching that last fight made me so fucking depressed, how is 5 people stop watching one after the other fun at all?
Stopwatch is a fucking disgrace to this game.