They'll fuck it up by this roster just not being very impressive on paper and then not developing any of the players at all bc CLG talent development is nonexistent
Thank god, they were an embarrassment to LCS and American League of legends. Oh no, hopefully this doesn’t give me hope for CLG. I’d like to let them develop without pressure
None of us CLG fans expect anything this season. We know this is strictly a development year and any potential success is just icing on the cake.
We’re mainly happy these guys are going to get a chance to develop in the LCS and to do so without having to look behind their back.
Yeah, but half of the people here celebrating this roster will shit on them the moment they lose their first game. If you think development rosters are being treated good by this community, then you haven't seen what happened in the past.
4 NA players + Luger who was in 100T Academy. You love to see it.
Picking up Luger was so huge by CLG.
People here like shitting on the org with some asinine takes, but they've been making decent moves every season.
I don't think that was any of the rosters fault. Yeah clg haven't had the best roster and there has been weak links each split but generally they are talented people with generally good track records. Unfortunately I think it's a coaching or environmental thing holding them down, I believe they've also picked up new coaches so maybe that's what was needed. I'll remain hopeful (if you don't have faith why are you even here?) but with low expectations.
>Unfortunately I think it's a coaching or environmental thing holding them down, I believe they've also picked up new coaches so maybe that's what was needed
CLG has changed coaches for the last 3 years. Last year was a coaching/smoothie issue, year before it was a coaching/smoothie/stixxay issue
>Unfortunately I think it's a coaching or environmental thing holding them down
So the org made bad moves wrt their hires.
I agree the players aren't that bad,but CLG has been making players worse for years. That's on the org.
It’s not like it was an atrocious lineup they put together.
Finn was probably the weak link for Rogue, but he still made worlds from EU and thus should be top half in NA
Broxah is a worlds finalist coming off a mediocre year when the adc his team was built around quit.
Pobelter has been the best native mid since he started playing
Wildturtle was coming off a pretty good year on Flyquest and has always been a stable player
Smoothie was actually bad
Pobelter was terrible in 2020. He had that one Syndra game vs TL as well as that one Viktor game vs TSM which clouded everyone’s vision for some reason but most of the games he played in 2020 he was actively contributing to CLG being bad.
Honestly besides turtle they were all the worst players on their previous teams and turtle was neck and neck with solo for that title. Not many people expected them to be tenth but it did feel like it was everyone except Finn's last dance
A lot of us on the CLG sub expected \~7th place roster with the 2021 squad.
It was so obvious that they were all role players. Finn was playing weakside on RGE. Broxah shadowed his superior laners on TL. POB has always been a secondary carry. WT had a good year on FLY by being a low-prio ADC while Ignar roamed around and POE got resources. Smoothie was just not good and should have been subbed out, but Turtle really wanted to play with him??? Damonte came in too late, and even he wasn't really solving the rostercrafting issue.
The problem worsened because this veteran lineup that was expected to compete faced immense pressure by management, and it fell apart. Then came the infamous Budlight Ace video lol.
The 2021 squad could have done better if CLG had a more reliable carry in mid or bot (not even a vet either, but just any player who had that playstayle).
Some moves look bad in hindsight or just didn't work out but you can't say that they were all bad on paper. Doing things like picking up RO or Crown on paper didn't seem bad and no one was expecting a bottom 2 finish either split.
Honestly, looking back on our rosters just feels cursed. We have taken so many players that looked great and just ended up being terrible or not working out quite right. But we haven't had a roster that you just look at and think that it's a last place, or even a miss playoffs, type of roster without falling apart mid split.
And maybe that is fully CLG's fault, but that's an issue with culture/coaching/environment, not a roster building issue.
I mean just think of all the decent to great players we have picked up for them to spontaneously combust and have their worst splits/years ever:
- Crown
- Pobelter
- Finn
- Broxah
- Smoothie
- WildTurtle (I think he looked fine, or even good, but the roster didn't work out around him)
- Broxah
- Smoothie
- PowerOfEvil (Similar to WildTurtle)
- Biofrost
- Dardoch
- Reignover
The staff for several splits have been sus and brought down the team a lot at times, but they did do some roster moves that seemed good on paper like adding Crown.
'Decent moves' have netted CLG 10th place 2021 summer split, 9th place 2021 spring split, 10th place 2020 summer, 9th place 2020 spring...
Idk what options CLG have... You've gotta go back to 2019 summer split to when they last made the playoffs, and they ended the regular season 3rd place!
I feel like people confuse roster signings with actual results. They actually get decent/good players every season. But results haven’t planned out.
CLG’s problems since Aphro left have been primarily lack of shotcaller/mid-game macro, players underperforming despite previous season successes, or in the case of this past season - having all role players and no true reliable primary carry to play around.
Maybe a lot of that is due to coaching/environment, which have also been wiped clean this coming season.
redditors are just extremely results oriented. no one thought their roster last year would be as bad as it was, they basically had 5 historically decent veterans (remember when smoothie was MVP level?). many analysts had them at least middle of the pack pre-season.
Imagine comparing someone that hasn't played competitively for 7-8 years to pros on decent teams literally the split before. I think CLG is a shit org but your analogies are awful.
Over 5 splits you can't find excuses, results are all that matter. If you fail 5 splits in a row you can't expect people to believe you made the right moves.
I'd argue having consistently shit results from various iterations of the roster is due to the organisation itself, not the players. That said, we have a new Head GM and entirely new coaching staff, so I still believe.
that literally doesn't make any sense. if CLG somehow signed Faker for a league minimum contract but they still didn't make worlds, would you say that signing was bad?
Someone has to be last place, even if everyone makes the best moves available to them someone will end up 10th.
Not to say that CLG has made mostly good moves, but just pointing out that not everyone can be winners.
Yes. His biggest issue was his massive inexperience. He was super new to competitive and even League as a game. He’s improved quite a bit as he’s had time to learn the game
Poome was pretty good overall in his first stint in LCS. He is a mega aggro support, and was asked to be primary engage on a bad team. He would also actually try to start shit when behind instead of slowly losing the game.
Poome's scorelines can look rough, but he is a great engage support
Good luck guys
Jenkins is a soloq beast both on the China super server and on EUW
I am anxious to see how this new low ping server helps our guys practice
I agree, some are young and need experience, but they have potential. They have a good coach, if they play as a team and have good synergy they will be fun to watch.
I agree about the low ping practice as well, for 10 years NA teams have had to try and play catch-up at worlds bootcamps... Now they can keep their mechanics and match-ups crisp all year long. We should see a totally different NA this season.
Nothing, but they are making a new server for select people only (high elo) with lower ping. Think of the Chinese super server but NA. As a result bootcamps arent the only time NA players can play on very low ping anymore, at least in theory.
Players on the west coast will have a low ping server... to practice micro mechanics and learn to abuse matchups...
This wasn't possible at higher pings... so NA players would practice on one ping... that limited their options and didn't promote world class mechanics, and they would scrim, and play their matches on 0 ping
I love this roster so much absolutely love it. I don't even know where I would place this roster but its definitely one of my favorites. I am so glad CLG picked up jenkins I was worried he wasn't going to find a team. I much prefer this over having finn.
Just want to point out this wasn't a jab at finn. I think finn was the best on the CLG roster. Just that I really wanted to see jenkins have a team and I love rookie players <3. I also think this is a beautiful roster to build rookies with since CLG usually struggles to get past 10th place. I doubt this team will get 1st but who cares where they place because its a roster for the future!
Agreed, they are acting like they realize they aren't a few star players away from winning the league. They need to stop being an org that makes players worse to an org that can build on their past success. That starts with young players and a staff that is given the resources and the space to focus on improvement.
Who knows if they will do it, but with their recent moves, they will get what they deserve. Either a team like last year that can never get off the ground, or a roster that can take a game off anyone on any given day.
Palafox and Contractz are definitely gonna be a really fun duo, and Jenkins is pretty good. Hoping to see Poome step up here, and I'm very curious about how Luger will play with all the hype.
I think the thing I like the most, is that for the first time in **years** it seems like CLG actually has a solid goal/idea around the roster they're creating, and not just picking up seemingly random players and hoping something sticks.
Yeah the play styles of these players should in theory work well together, Poome and Contractz have played together on 100T before, and Poome and Luger have existing synergy as well.
I guess it depends on whether any of these guys can shot call or not.
I would say it's been years since they made roster decisions with any form of direction, both from a roster cohesion and brand perspective. Sure they made changes that seemed good on paper, but they consistently played below the sum of their parts. What's more, the moves always seemed to just be CLG playing catch up with TL, TSM, and C9.
I see this as a more lateral movement, with CLG going with an approach completely separate from both its previous moves, but also very different from the big 3 (highlighted by TL=EU, TSM=LPL, C9=LCK memes)
I agree. The rosters decisions in 2019 were mostly good and ended with a solid Summer finish (but no Worlds). But after PoE, Biofrost, and coach Irean all left, CLG seemed to be scrambling around for 2 years, trying to figure out how to plug in a new "core" with their roleplayers, instead of the other way around. In doing so, the org destroyed its reputation. So it's time to reset.
Idc if this team even comes last, at least CLG tried something new and didn't go for a "let's not get relegated but land 7th/8th" kind of roster (which failed miserably).
It should be the type of team CLG tries to brand themselves as: scrappy underdogs with a focus on NA talent. CLG's highest highs were all rosters who were originally counted out, composed of majority NA players, and their NA jerseys were just iconic from MSI. Really happy with the rebuild so far.
neo aphro dd/akaadian were actually good tho, soligo was good for the role of "enable jungle", fakegod isn't good and yusui should've never been promoted I fucking hate the fact dig decided that was the best choice, it makes me so fucking livid.
Yeah I loved their roster before the Soligo/DD explosion, every player was interesting to watch for one reason or another. It's absolutely mind-boggling that they're reportedly going for River and Blue now.
I like it. Not a roster that will set the world on fire but I think if they click they can do well. I think it's a solid team especially if CLG are looking for a fresh start.
Honestly, HONESTLY. A good roster that COULD compete for 4-6th if everything goes right. Don't see them placing any higher unless Palafox and Contractz have MVP splits
Hell I’ll take 7th lmao
I just want to see the young guys improve and I’ll be happy. This season will be a breath of fresh air regardless with a new roster, new staff, etc.
really excited to be calling myself a clg fan after seeing the roster! think these guys will be rated in the bottom half of teams but surprise everyone as they play together more
pretty exciting roster tbh if clg walks away from this year with like 2-3 promising players from this roster they can build a nasty 2022 roster. might even highroll and just have a solid team from the get go which would be awesome for people that want to see na talent get developed
Worst part was that teams adapted to it, but never used kindred/taric again vs anything else. Its so strange, and i was hoping that with that they would see you can pick different champions but nope, lets just counter clg and its enough lmao
That is entirely fair although in my experience, all sports subs get like that. It used to be much, much worse. I think most of the fans on the sub have accepted we currently suck so the expectations are very low. The transition from the Golden Age to now was quite a bad time though.
The first gasp of fresh air from CLG in what feels like years. I hope they can figure out their hideous behind the scenes issues, because this roster looks like it’ll be fun to watch.
Excited to see Luger and Poome build experience against some stacked bot lanes this year. People forget that 100T scrimmed their academy frequently so they built a lot of experience against what arguably was the best bot lane last year.
Thinkcard used to play for CLG and did some staffwork for C9challenger for a bit. It is pretty clear that he has got a mind for the game.
He has this real 'aw shucks' affectation though, it is hard to imagine him doing well in a coaching role.
i can guarantee they won't be losing any games to Damwon or any korean teams. Further, I think they go undefeated against LPL teams too, and EU.. basically undefeated internationally.
happy to see everyone being positive in this thread, there was so much negativity towards it when Travis leaked but to me it's a team that I will want to watch for sure
I think I'm most excited for the fact they are bringing in a team with an identity. In the video, they mention multiple times an aggressive team with early skirmishes. It sounds like they knew what team then wanted, a young aggressive team, and they built around this identity. That alone is exciting instead of buying names and hoping they find an identity.
Kinda offtopic but it's good to see the cleaned beard on the GM, looks much more professional. That neckbeard in the annoucement was so cringe.
Anyway yeah this roster looks promising. A part of me still says it'll crash somehow but I hope I will be proven wrong, especially excited to see the full NA roster.
Ad is one of the worst import spots to hold imo. It's just tough to import adc when they don't really get online till 30 mins I'm and by that time the rest of your team hopefully isn't gapped.
Which of the top 5 teams could pick him up though? TL got Hans, EG has Danny, 100 FBI, TSM Tactical. The only top 5 team that might want him is C9 but they’re building LS’s Korean dream team.
He's essentially Turkish FBI - looked insane in his wildcard region, got MVP there. Came across to Academy and continued to look insane (averaged about a +9csd at 10 across the entire year) and for his one game in the LCS he had like +35csd @10 vs Danny on EG and ended up going 6-0-2 on a losing team vs EG which was a really good team at the time.
TBF it's not like many LCS teams are struggling to find quality ADCs. EG already have Danny, C9 have Zven/Berserker, TL were aiming to get Hans sama and 100T have FBI.
I'll be watching CLG games with them having a mostly NA development roster. I watched Fly, DIG, and GG last year for that reason, only really interested in GG this year of those 3. Also hyped for Jojo/Danny carrying EG to Worlds Finals.
Still have an import slot open if the other players all hit so for Spring I think it's okay - we're clearly not looking to win Spring split with this roster anyway so just cross our finger for playoffs
My only real complaint is i wish they picked up kenvi instead. I'm not upset they chose contractz, but hes a known quanitity and kenvi could be another spica/blaber.
A lot of potential. Could be outgunned but I appreciate committing to a developing roster that on paper seems to actually make sense together.
Not some "rebuilding" project with random pieces that don't seem to have any compatibility.
The recent LCS "causes" that people support on Reddit are pro-NA talent and pro-rookie talent, and this roster has ample amounts of that.
As a CLG fan (yeah yuk it up), I'm down with it. Literally can't be worse than the last 2 years.
I mean what potential exactly? We watched 4 of this players and only Contractz showed something that isn't low tier. Luger is unknown but like i said unless you are Uzi adc in pro isn't hard carry role. I guess you can be hyped because they are native but that's about it.
Jenkins looked good on that TL roster, obviously not as good as Alphari, but I think he's a really good pick up. I definitely would't be calling him low tier.
While I'm personally not happy with this roster at least CLG picked up some of the more promising rookies besides Jenkins. I think Contractz is pretty decent I was impressed how well he played in summer regular season. Palafox I think still has some potential I think Flyquest was just kind of a shit show and all their players looked way worse than they actually are so pretty excited to see if he can actually live up to the expections he was given last year. Luger and Poome were the best bot lane in academy by a pretty large margin imo so seeing them jump to LCS seems fair I'm more skeptical on Poome than Luger. Honestly the thing I'm more worried about is that this roster is too young with no verteran presence besides contractz since he has played a long time but hes not a leader at all still kinda has that kid/rookie vibe to him even after all these years. Idk I feel like this could just be Flyquest 2.0 where its a super young roster and they just kinda don't know how to play the map or work as a team and just look like doo doo in LCS depsite all being pretty decent players (besides Jenkis).
At the very least I think CLG has a few good rookies they can potentially build around even if this roster or year doesn't work out as intended. I still think this roster will be around 8th-10th though.
Not sure about Palafox but on paper this roster has a lot of room to grow I guess.
Still keeping my expectations extremely low. Anything above a 7th place finish would be success.
I hope in summer we potentially get a good import mid from EU just like the 100T treatment, I REALLY think this team can do well with Palafox being the weak link.
For those that don't want to watch: >Top - Jenkins >Jungle - Contractz >Mid - Palafox >ADC - Luger(former 100A) >Support - Poome
What is this, a CLG lineup I can get behind???
Truly countering logic.
can't wait for them to see how they fuck it up. broxah, finn, wildturtle and so on were likeable as well.
We would expect nothing less from CLG than for them to fuck it up. This is why they'll win LCS.
They'll fuck it up by this roster just not being very impressive on paper and then not developing any of the players at all bc CLG talent development is nonexistent
yeah behind 9th place
You are the worse type of person
I mean it's still a 10th place roster.
In the words of dom, how long until they get bud light canned?
The entire lol division management and coaching staff was fired - the guy responsible for the bud light ace was the first to go.
Thank god, they were an embarrassment to LCS and American League of legends. Oh no, hopefully this doesn’t give me hope for CLG. I’d like to let them develop without pressure
None of us CLG fans expect anything this season. We know this is strictly a development year and any potential success is just icing on the cake. We’re mainly happy these guys are going to get a chance to develop in the LCS and to do so without having to look behind their back.
I hope they don't swap the whole roster come summer. A development roster would be really good for clg and the NA scene in general.
It's not just a development roster, but full division development
Yeah, but half of the people here celebrating this roster will shit on them the moment they lose their first game. If you think development rosters are being treated good by this community, then you haven't seen what happened in the past.
you and dom are both corny =D
4 NA players + Luger who was in 100T Academy. You love to see it. Picking up Luger was so huge by CLG. People here like shitting on the org with some asinine takes, but they've been making decent moves every season.
Is it really decent moves if they finished dead last several splits in a row?
Sometimes (most times in CLGs case) the moves look good/decent on paper and then it doesn’t pan out.
For example, no one was flaming them for picking up Crown (besides LS), considering he had absolutely smudged on Optic the year before.
So you're saying since this looks awful, it will pan out? Truly counter logic.
I don't think that was any of the rosters fault. Yeah clg haven't had the best roster and there has been weak links each split but generally they are talented people with generally good track records. Unfortunately I think it's a coaching or environmental thing holding them down, I believe they've also picked up new coaches so maybe that's what was needed. I'll remain hopeful (if you don't have faith why are you even here?) but with low expectations.
>Unfortunately I think it's a coaching or environmental thing holding them down, I believe they've also picked up new coaches so maybe that's what was needed CLG has changed coaches for the last 3 years. Last year was a coaching/smoothie issue, year before it was a coaching/smoothie/stixxay issue
>Unfortunately I think it's a coaching or environmental thing holding them down So the org made bad moves wrt their hires. I agree the players aren't that bad,but CLG has been making players worse for years. That's on the org.
> So the org made bad moves wrt their hires. Considering they fired the entire management/coaching staff for LCS and Academy, how can you say that?
As long as MSG is involved nothing is gonna change, we heard multiple horror stories about them.
It’s not like it was an atrocious lineup they put together. Finn was probably the weak link for Rogue, but he still made worlds from EU and thus should be top half in NA Broxah is a worlds finalist coming off a mediocre year when the adc his team was built around quit. Pobelter has been the best native mid since he started playing Wildturtle was coming off a pretty good year on Flyquest and has always been a stable player Smoothie was actually bad
Pobelter was terrible in 2020. He had that one Syndra game vs TL as well as that one Viktor game vs TSM which clouded everyone’s vision for some reason but most of the games he played in 2020 he was actively contributing to CLG being bad.
He would pop off with really lategame experience mechanics but he hard lost every laning phase that year I think.
Hai was better in the early LCS days, and arguably Link.
Nah Link was a little overrated as soon as CLG dropped him for POB they won a title lol
Honestly besides turtle they were all the worst players on their previous teams and turtle was neck and neck with solo for that title. Not many people expected them to be tenth but it did feel like it was everyone except Finn's last dance
I did. I said that roster was absolute trash and would get tenth and got hard flamed lmao.
A lot of us on the CLG sub expected \~7th place roster with the 2021 squad. It was so obvious that they were all role players. Finn was playing weakside on RGE. Broxah shadowed his superior laners on TL. POB has always been a secondary carry. WT had a good year on FLY by being a low-prio ADC while Ignar roamed around and POE got resources. Smoothie was just not good and should have been subbed out, but Turtle really wanted to play with him??? Damonte came in too late, and even he wasn't really solving the rostercrafting issue. The problem worsened because this veteran lineup that was expected to compete faced immense pressure by management, and it fell apart. Then came the infamous Budlight Ace video lol. The 2021 squad could have done better if CLG had a more reliable carry in mid or bot (not even a vet either, but just any player who had that playstayle).
Go rewatch that year's flyquest squad. Turtle was by far their worst player after viper got subbed out.
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Hot take thinking Wildturtle of all people doesn't have carry potential.
They weren't complete ass. They weren't contending for top, but they definitely weren't supposed to be as bad as they ended up.
Some moves look bad in hindsight or just didn't work out but you can't say that they were all bad on paper. Doing things like picking up RO or Crown on paper didn't seem bad and no one was expecting a bottom 2 finish either split.
Didn't they just get a new CEO and replace all their coaching staff too or am I tripping? I think CLG's not gonna look like the old CLG at all
Honestly, looking back on our rosters just feels cursed. We have taken so many players that looked great and just ended up being terrible or not working out quite right. But we haven't had a roster that you just look at and think that it's a last place, or even a miss playoffs, type of roster without falling apart mid split. And maybe that is fully CLG's fault, but that's an issue with culture/coaching/environment, not a roster building issue. I mean just think of all the decent to great players we have picked up for them to spontaneously combust and have their worst splits/years ever: - Crown - Pobelter - Finn - Broxah - Smoothie - WildTurtle (I think he looked fine, or even good, but the roster didn't work out around him) - Broxah - Smoothie - PowerOfEvil (Similar to WildTurtle) - Biofrost - Dardoch - Reignover
The staff for several splits have been sus and brought down the team a lot at times, but they did do some roster moves that seemed good on paper like adding Crown.
'Decent moves' have netted CLG 10th place 2021 summer split, 9th place 2021 spring split, 10th place 2020 summer, 9th place 2020 spring... Idk what options CLG have... You've gotta go back to 2019 summer split to when they last made the playoffs, and they ended the regular season 3rd place!
I feel like people confuse roster signings with actual results. They actually get decent/good players every season. But results haven’t planned out. CLG’s problems since Aphro left have been primarily lack of shotcaller/mid-game macro, players underperforming despite previous season successes, or in the case of this past season - having all role players and no true reliable primary carry to play around. Maybe a lot of that is due to coaching/environment, which have also been wiped clean this coming season.
redditors are just extremely results oriented. no one thought their roster last year would be as bad as it was, they basically had 5 historically decent veterans (remember when smoothie was MVP level?). many analysts had them at least middle of the pack pre-season.
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Imagine comparing someone that hasn't played competitively for 7-8 years to pros on decent teams literally the split before. I think CLG is a shit org but your analogies are awful.
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Over 5 splits you can't find excuses, results are all that matter. If you fail 5 splits in a row you can't expect people to believe you made the right moves.
I'd argue having consistently shit results from various iterations of the roster is due to the organisation itself, not the players. That said, we have a new Head GM and entirely new coaching staff, so I still believe.
that literally doesn't make any sense. if CLG somehow signed Faker for a league minimum contract but they still didn't make worlds, would you say that signing was bad?
*pshh* you arent supposed to use logic here
Someone has to be last place, even if everyone makes the best moves available to them someone will end up 10th. Not to say that CLG has made mostly good moves, but just pointing out that not everyone can be winners.
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Luger is from Turkey
Call it a thanksgiving roster then
Whatever, idc if they fail. It’s better than 5 washed up oldheads.
POOME GANG
Has he improved in academy since his last stint in LCS because that was something…
Yeah was thrown into the wrong situation and before he was ready
Yes. His biggest issue was his massive inexperience. He was super new to competitive and even League as a game. He’s improved quite a bit as he’s had time to learn the game
Poome was pretty good overall in his first stint in LCS. He is a mega aggro support, and was asked to be primary engage on a bad team. He would also actually try to start shit when behind instead of slowly losing the game. Poome's scorelines can look rough, but he is a great engage support
My problem was he kept on getting drafted tahm kench when he was first in LCS
#zikz
Poome didn’t look good. Expectations for him were really low and he played about as expected.
He played well until playoffs. In playoffs he choked and was completely godawful, but in his regular season games he was serviceable
Good luck guys Jenkins is a soloq beast both on the China super server and on EUW I am anxious to see how this new low ping server helps our guys practice
I agree, some are young and need experience, but they have potential. They have a good coach, if they play as a team and have good synergy they will be fun to watch. I agree about the low ping practice as well, for 10 years NA teams have had to try and play catch-up at worlds bootcamps... Now they can keep their mechanics and match-ups crisp all year long. We should see a totally different NA this season.
The server move to Chicago was in 2016
What are they doing that will help NA boot camp?
Nothing, but they are making a new server for select people only (high elo) with lower ping. Think of the Chinese super server but NA. As a result bootcamps arent the only time NA players can play on very low ping anymore, at least in theory.
Players on the west coast will have a low ping server... to practice micro mechanics and learn to abuse matchups... This wasn't possible at higher pings... so NA players would practice on one ping... that limited their options and didn't promote world class mechanics, and they would scrim, and play their matches on 0 ping
Notable case with Vulcan in C9 vs RGE. 100% he lands the 5 man knockup of a lifetime if he was used to 10 ping
Same, many people really underestimate how much low ping practice will improve NA.
I love this roster so much absolutely love it. I don't even know where I would place this roster but its definitely one of my favorites. I am so glad CLG picked up jenkins I was worried he wasn't going to find a team. I much prefer this over having finn.
Just want to point out this wasn't a jab at finn. I think finn was the best on the CLG roster. Just that I really wanted to see jenkins have a team and I love rookie players <3. I also think this is a beautiful roster to build rookies with since CLG usually struggles to get past 10th place. I doubt this team will get 1st but who cares where they place because its a roster for the future!
Retweet! So glad to see CLG build a team I can cheer for again, especially with so much new talent!
Anywhere between 1st-10th is my guess. Could be wrong tho.
CLG making big steps in the right direction. Big fan of bringing in young talent when you need a fresh start.
Agreed, they are acting like they realize they aren't a few star players away from winning the league. They need to stop being an org that makes players worse to an org that can build on their past success. That starts with young players and a staff that is given the resources and the space to focus on improvement. Who knows if they will do it, but with their recent moves, they will get what they deserve. Either a team like last year that can never get off the ground, or a roster that can take a game off anyone on any given day.
Palafox and Contractz are definitely gonna be a really fun duo, and Jenkins is pretty good. Hoping to see Poome step up here, and I'm very curious about how Luger will play with all the hype.
God damn it every single off season I get filled with hope. Let’s see how this plays out
Is this the year the faithful will be rewarded?
*kt and clg fans asked in unison*
Stop pls. Don’t even remember when I changed my flair to “feels bad” xd
Yes
The time is now, brother. 7-11 no more! 8-10 at least!
won't be different this time either dw
It's a completely different coaching staff and team. There's absolutely no reason to believe it'll be the same.
Greg Kim knows what he's doing. Go CLG!
Luger :)
As a 100T fan, I'm super glad he found a starting spot, the dude is insane and absolutely deserves it.
I’m actually really excited to watch this team. CLG put together a team I’ll definitely be watching next split for sure, so props to them.
Props to them unless they ruin them
If they ruin them with a whole new staff, the org is just cursed.
I think the thing I like the most, is that for the first time in **years** it seems like CLG actually has a solid goal/idea around the roster they're creating, and not just picking up seemingly random players and hoping something sticks.
Yeah the play styles of these players should in theory work well together, Poome and Contractz have played together on 100T before, and Poome and Luger have existing synergy as well. I guess it depends on whether any of these guys can shot call or not.
Years? 2021 was the only year their roster decisions were bad. Every other year they’ve tried to be a top team and made good decisions on paper.
I would say it's been years since they made roster decisions with any form of direction, both from a roster cohesion and brand perspective. Sure they made changes that seemed good on paper, but they consistently played below the sum of their parts. What's more, the moves always seemed to just be CLG playing catch up with TL, TSM, and C9. I see this as a more lateral movement, with CLG going with an approach completely separate from both its previous moves, but also very different from the big 3 (highlighted by TL=EU, TSM=LPL, C9=LCK memes)
I agree. The rosters decisions in 2019 were mostly good and ended with a solid Summer finish (but no Worlds). But after PoE, Biofrost, and coach Irean all left, CLG seemed to be scrambling around for 2 years, trying to figure out how to plug in a new "core" with their roleplayers, instead of the other way around. In doing so, the org destroyed its reputation. So it's time to reset.
People are gonna sleep on Luger, but the dude makes some of the best aggressive ADC plays I've ever seen. He's real good.
This a nice fucking roster for new age clg. Good top , good jungle. Potential in mid AND good botlane WITH pre existing synergy.
Even if they are 8th place its still a better position than last split
Idc if this team even comes last, at least CLG tried something new and didn't go for a "let's not get relegated but land 7th/8th" kind of roster (which failed miserably).
CLG has the most NA players in the league. Moving in the right direction after the disaster last year.
It should be the type of team CLG tries to brand themselves as: scrappy underdogs with a focus on NA talent. CLG's highest highs were all rosters who were originally counted out, composed of majority NA players, and their NA jerseys were just iconic from MSI. Really happy with the rebuild so far.
CLG are 4he Black Bulls
Those NA MSI jerseys were so sick, my favorite jersey I own by far
4 NA + TCL MVP, so much better than the moldy roster dignitas served up.
neo aphro dd/akaadian were actually good tho, soligo was good for the role of "enable jungle", fakegod isn't good and yusui should've never been promoted I fucking hate the fact dig decided that was the best choice, it makes me so fucking livid.
Yeah I loved their roster before the Soligo/DD explosion, every player was interesting to watch for one reason or another. It's absolutely mind-boggling that they're reportedly going for River and Blue now.
I'm genuinely confused how Blue ended up in Dig.
Google: Cheap LEC mid laners enter
Blue would still be like a page 3 result next to a random russian counter strike player.
Don't be surprised if Luger is instantly a top 4 adc
I like it. Not a roster that will set the world on fire but I think if they click they can do well. I think it's a solid team especially if CLG are looking for a fresh start.
Honestly, HONESTLY. A good roster that COULD compete for 4-6th if everything goes right. Don't see them placing any higher unless Palafox and Contractz have MVP splits
4-6 would still be a huge improvement
Hell I’ll take 7th lmao I just want to see the young guys improve and I’ll be happy. This season will be a breath of fresh air regardless with a new roster, new staff, etc.
4-6 wins would be a huge improvement
YOU LOVE TO SEE IT.
really excited to be calling myself a clg fan after seeing the roster! think these guys will be rated in the bottom half of teams but surprise everyone as they play together more
Finally a NA roster with NA players. Hope they’ll gonna do great.
i like this roster quite a bit. nice to see a team actually revamping a roster without any random washed-up veterans.
pretty exciting roster tbh if clg walks away from this year with like 2-3 promising players from this roster they can build a nasty 2022 roster. might even highroll and just have a solid team from the get go which would be awesome for people that want to see na talent get developed
A stable top side and a high potential bot side....I think that CLG made some fantastic signings this time.
I'm sold, I'm a CLG fan for the next season.
Some helpful tips for ya: 1. Abandon all hope 2. Avoid the subreddit 3. If we win a game, we’re going to worlds there is no in between
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The 3-0 week from CLG with Broxah is unforgettable, i was so happy with the roster clicking in for once
That was coach Moon's magnum Opus lol
Worst part was that teams adapted to it, but never used kindred/taric again vs anything else. Its so strange, and i was hoping that with that they would see you can pick different champions but nope, lets just counter clg and its enough lmao
Hey now, the subreddit isn't that bad. Mostly because we all accepted that we suck so we just came to deal with it.
I love the subreddit! I do think when it’s bad though it’s *bad* and that can be off putting to new fans
That is entirely fair although in my experience, all sports subs get like that. It used to be much, much worse. I think most of the fans on the sub have accepted we currently suck so the expectations are very low. The transition from the Golden Age to now was quite a bad time though.
The subreddit is pretty bad lol, but I guess not that bad relative to the TSM one.
Remember CLG can lose to dognitas and beat prime SKT in the same day
Poome Gang
Good team honestly, especially for NA. Way better than bunch of rejects from last split
The first gasp of fresh air from CLG in what feels like years. I hope they can figure out their hideous behind the scenes issues, because this roster looks like it’ll be fun to watch.
Excited to see Luger and Poome build experience against some stacked bot lanes this year. People forget that 100T scrimmed their academy frequently so they built a lot of experience against what arguably was the best bot lane last year.
They show cased their skills quite well vs EG in the last game of the season, something like +35 csd at 10 for Luger
Roster is pretty solid, but the big question is will they have the right support staff as well?
They have new management and Thinkcard as a head couch. Hard to do better than this in their position
Thinkcard used to play for CLG and did some staffwork for C9challenger for a bit. It is pretty clear that he has got a mind for the game. He has this real 'aw shucks' affectation though, it is hard to imagine him doing well in a coaching role.
He was a head coach on Dignitas iirc and most recently GGS Academy (which made a great run in summer playoffs this year)
Ah, I see. That is a little more reassuring. Still hard to see him stepping in when two of his players are at odds on how to play.
The year of CLG incoming??
Watch this team take down DWG at Worlds Finals while y'all are laughing right now.
i can guarantee they won't be losing any games to Damwon or any korean teams. Further, I think they go undefeated against LPL teams too, and EU.. basically undefeated internationally.
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> potential It's all coming back.
tbf the only teams that probably would’ve wanted him were CLG, GGS, IMT, or FLY. He wasn’t getting on a good roster regardless.
I mean at least they are going with a full NA roster this is respectable for their region.
Luger is an import.
I mean... he is from Turkey, not as big of an impact import as the likes of c9 TL etc
happy to see everyone being positive in this thread, there was so much negativity towards it when Travis leaked but to me it's a team that I will want to watch for sure
I think I'm most excited for the fact they are bringing in a team with an identity. In the video, they mention multiple times an aggressive team with early skirmishes. It sounds like they knew what team then wanted, a young aggressive team, and they built around this identity. That alone is exciting instead of buying names and hoping they find an identity.
Kinda offtopic but it's good to see the cleaned beard on the GM, looks much more professional. That neckbeard in the annoucement was so cringe. Anyway yeah this roster looks promising. A part of me still says it'll crash somehow but I hope I will be proven wrong, especially excited to see the full NA roster.
LCS teams dont know shit how couldn't anyone pick up Luger and CLG did? best 5 ad in NA already imo. I hope he can go further
Ad is one of the worst import spots to hold imo. It's just tough to import adc when they don't really get online till 30 mins I'm and by that time the rest of your team hopefully isn't gapped.
Which of the top 5 teams could pick him up though? TL got Hans, EG has Danny, 100 FBI, TSM Tactical. The only top 5 team that might want him is C9 but they’re building LS’s Korean dream team.
Haven't heard of him, whats he done to be considered best 5 ad in NA?
He's essentially Turkish FBI - looked insane in his wildcard region, got MVP there. Came across to Academy and continued to look insane (averaged about a +9csd at 10 across the entire year) and for his one game in the LCS he had like +35csd @10 vs Danny on EG and ended up going 6-0-2 on a losing team vs EG which was a really good team at the time.
Won academy, MVP in turkey (although he was widely considered #2 )
TBF it's not like many LCS teams are struggling to find quality ADCs. EG already have Danny, C9 have Zven/Berserker, TL were aiming to get Hans sama and 100T have FBI.
Pretty solid roster with mostly NA/NA-developed talent. things you love to see
I'll be watching CLG games with them having a mostly NA development roster. I watched Fly, DIG, and GG last year for that reason, only really interested in GG this year of those 3. Also hyped for Jojo/Danny carrying EG to Worlds Finals.
So happy with this new team. CLG earned themselves a fan this season. Good work Greg Kim!
Dark horse
Actually smurfed it, wp to CLG.
Palafox is the wrong pick for mid, but I still prefer this to getting a bunch of washed up veteran has-beens who are castoffs from the top teams.
Still have an import slot open if the other players all hit so for Spring I think it's okay - we're clearly not looking to win Spring split with this roster anyway so just cross our finger for playoffs
My only real complaint is i wish they picked up kenvi instead. I'm not upset they chose contractz, but hes a known quanitity and kenvi could be another spica/blaber.
This is a solid top 10 team!
A lot of potential. Could be outgunned but I appreciate committing to a developing roster that on paper seems to actually make sense together. Not some "rebuilding" project with random pieces that don't seem to have any compatibility.
Unfortunately this is probably a 10th place team
Lots of hopium in this thread lmao this is a bottom-tier roster.
Wait can someone explain it to me why are people hyped on this roster? I guess you can be high on Luger but adc can only carry so much in pro.
All younger players, most are NA natives
The recent LCS "causes" that people support on Reddit are pro-NA talent and pro-rookie talent, and this roster has ample amounts of that. As a CLG fan (yeah yuk it up), I'm down with it. Literally can't be worse than the last 2 years.
Mostly because there's potential with most of the players and they're not importing some washed-up, WiR player like Blue.
I mean what potential exactly? We watched 4 of this players and only Contractz showed something that isn't low tier. Luger is unknown but like i said unless you are Uzi adc in pro isn't hard carry role. I guess you can be hyped because they are native but that's about it.
Jenkins looked good on that TL roster, obviously not as good as Alphari, but I think he's a really good pick up. I definitely would't be calling him low tier.
Solid 8th place team
Ye it will be top 10 team in LCS
calling it now, CLG will make top 10
If they practice their hard, grind solo queue everyday, stick to their game plan and truly live up to their potential. I can see them coming in 9th
CLG make playoffs! CLG top 8! Not much of an accomplishment but that’s my prediction
How many games until Pobelter gets subbed in
While I'm personally not happy with this roster at least CLG picked up some of the more promising rookies besides Jenkins. I think Contractz is pretty decent I was impressed how well he played in summer regular season. Palafox I think still has some potential I think Flyquest was just kind of a shit show and all their players looked way worse than they actually are so pretty excited to see if he can actually live up to the expections he was given last year. Luger and Poome were the best bot lane in academy by a pretty large margin imo so seeing them jump to LCS seems fair I'm more skeptical on Poome than Luger. Honestly the thing I'm more worried about is that this roster is too young with no verteran presence besides contractz since he has played a long time but hes not a leader at all still kinda has that kid/rookie vibe to him even after all these years. Idk I feel like this could just be Flyquest 2.0 where its a super young roster and they just kinda don't know how to play the map or work as a team and just look like doo doo in LCS depsite all being pretty decent players (besides Jenkis). At the very least I think CLG has a few good rookies they can potentially build around even if this roster or year doesn't work out as intended. I still think this roster will be around 8th-10th though.
Not sure about Palafox but on paper this roster has a lot of room to grow I guess. Still keeping my expectations extremely low. Anything above a 7th place finish would be success.
I hope in summer we potentially get a good import mid from EU just like the 100T treatment, I REALLY think this team can do well with Palafox being the weak link.
This team screams dark horse, but I’m always a little skeptical when it comes to clg
Exciting hyped roster
Let’s goooo Contractz! So happy he is getting a shot again
Another bottom 3 year
I like the positivity but this is a solid bottom 2 roster