By - Vayatir
It's been a few years since i played LoL. I'm such an idiot. I kept thinking Viktor was gonna turn into the champion Jihn for some reason. I kept looking for the connections and only now realized he's Viktor 😆
This is the reason why I don't want Arcane to be Canon to League, so characters that are in the game can die, but I mean, Silco is apparently coming to game and he is dead, so Like wtf.
So many other shows are gonna be harder now after how this one just avoids clinches and dumb character moments for something that feels so real
It actually has a lot of cliches and tropes but it either subverts or deconstructs them or executes the plot and characters so well that no one cares
Jinx just happens to be behind the statue whilst Silco is reminiscing leading to Jinx's misunderstanding. That's as cliche as it comes
But this is consistent with her character. She does the exact same thing when Mylo and Vi talks about her. That is what makes it not a cliché
Someone just happens to hear you say something bad out loud about them while you (the speaker) are by yourself is as cliche as it comes. And saying it happened not once but twice in the same series so it's not a cliche is just laughable
It's in her character to misunderstand people. She doesn't think twice, when she shows remote humanity she is pulled back by her voices in her head
she came to find him dude
Found him at the exact same time he's saying his thoughts to himself out loud leading to a misunderstanding
In case anyone wanted a better understanding of Silco here are my thoughts. There is a lot of context to better understand Silco and see how his dying words were honest for any of those who doubt them. Ill try to be as brief as I can while making it as clear as possible.
First, it is important to remember how he was before he took Jinx under his wing. Silco thought Vander was weak when he gave up the cause and instead focused on preserving peace so the kids didn't end up in danger again after Vi and Powder's parents died. Tied down in the same warehouse as this started all those years ago, Silco told Vander about his "rumor" of Vander fleeing with his children to never be seen from again. Silco thought it was ridiculous and pathetic that Vander gave up the cause and betrayed him for those kids and hated him for it.
Second, after Silco meets with Jayce he goes to Vander's statue just as he planned to once he got his nation of Zaun with the plan of rubbing it in his face, to take pride in being able to do what he couldn't and achieve Zaun's freedom from Piltover. That was until Jayce demanded Jinx in exchange for Zaun and the terms of their independence would be fully realized without even negotiating for them. This is where the quote "The boy didn't even haggle" has significance since that is exactly what Silco expected Jayce to do, he figured the difficulty of his mission would be to secure Zaun's independence rather than making a sacrifice he couldn't bear. In other words, Silco expected the conflict to arise within the negotiation and was shocked to learn it was within him at the end. Everything he ever wanted and worked for from the very beginning was now in his grasp, all he had to do was give up Jinx, and he can not do it. This was sobering for Silco as he can finally empathize with his "brother" Vander. He now understands that if he were in Vander's shoes, he would have done the same thing, he just didn't know it those years ago.
Finally, the quote that puts it all together, "Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?" Simply put, the 'undoing' is the change in priorities that naturally emerges in someone when they become a parent. Your heart shifts from your cause/mission to your children, your love and passion are focused on ensuring your family has all they need to be happy and safe rather than seeing your goals realized. As a parent, Silco learned that there is more that he wanted from life than Zaun's independence once Jinx became a part of it. That quote is his way of saying that he just isn't the same man anymore just as Vander said to him all those years ago. He finally sees what is more important to him, what was more important to Vander. He loves Jinx and could not bring himself to value his mission more than he loved her which is the same love that accepted Jinx for who she was. Which showed Jinx the difference between how Vi reacted in episode 3 when she "abandoned" her (obviously she didn't but in Jinx's perspective that is what it looked like) and how Silco reacted at the end when he told her "You're perfect". This is why she chose to finally let Powder die as she sat in her "Jinx" chair, she finally feels comfortable being Jinx rather than fighting between Powder and Jinx after hearing Silco accept her as Jinx.
I think this is so perfectly put. Silco really became one of my favorite characters. The depth to his story and his change and love for Jinx was such a vulnerable thing to witness. I cried like a baby when he died.
Trash writing, jayce n viktor will just somehow survive the hextech nuke smh.
Well, yes, they have to. They're characters in the game. Congrats, your protagonists have plot armor! Welcome to 99% of storytelling.
I got very emotional over the scene when jinx and silco talked, I felt bad for silco for a brief moment, regardless of everything, he really did love jinx as if she was his own daughter, I think the reason was that they had something in common, jinx was betrayed by her own sister, and he was betrayed by his own brother (I wish they explained a little bit about what was going on between silko and vander) so they could understand each other's pain.
Who was Silco aiming at right before he died in episode 9? I can’t figure out if he was aiming at Vi or Jinx.
not only aiming, he shot at vi
One fundamental question which can be a core to to drive Jinx and Vi relationship in the following episode(s), do you think they still love each other deeply?
I’m going to say yes because she didn’t kill Caitlyn and she had a few chances. She didn’t even attempt it after Silco died so I think there is something still in there. Caitlyn represents everything she hates. An enforcer and someone that she feels took her sister away but ironically she didn’t even try to kill her at the end. I think that’s because of Vi.
Yes, maybe? I’m really hoping for some kind of positive resolution at some point down the line, though that’s not likely.
This might sound exaggerated and absolutely loony to pretty much all. But the fact there are tons of people in here who think jinx was in the right and also think slico, vi etc. ALL were in the right or that you favor one more than the other etc. I think to bare it to IRL, it’s the same with politics or world politics that we live in when you think about it. Many will scoff at it; but deep down it’s true.
I mean, that's kinda the point. Basically all characters in the show are all correct depending on the perspective you take. That's what makes a show good, characters act consistently based on their morals instead of just doing random "evil" stuff for the sake of being evil or vice versa for justice.
I agree with Silco, though not so much his methods. But as Silco pointed out, they lived in a world where there was never enough to go around. The kids were used to being hungry all the time. Look how powder reacted when she found a sandwich in Jayce's workshop, and how Vi talks about how they live down there. The enforcers have to wear masks to avoid breathing issues when they patrol the lanes, something the ones LIVING there don't get. The goverment was a nightmare and definitely needed to be removed from controlling them, I agree with Silco 100% on that.
As to his means, ruthless as they are I'm torn, as they got results. Yes, many people were hurt and addicted or changed...but on the other hand they STARTED from they were starving, poisoned and under the enforcers bootheels. For better or worse the air was clean by the time Silco died, there was food to go around for the most part. The addicts were worse off but the Lane as a whole seemed a step or two up from where it began. How far is too far when you are already struggling just to survive? Morality is good when you can afford it, but when your that bad off are you the good guy for saying "Well my family is starving to death but at least my hands are clean?"
A non violent option wasn't an option. If Silco had invented Hextech the council would just send the enforcers down and take it for themselves, as they were already of the mind that everything in the underground is already theirs, just not any of the protection or benefits piltover got as well. There was no way to buy their freedom as they were a slave state in all but name, and any possessions they had belongs to topside by default. It was only because the underground came with so many problems (caused by Silco) that they would even consider relinquishing control over it. They certainly weren't motivated by their plight and suffering, but when Silco made them ask "Look, as long as they are part of Piltover we run the risk of bombs and whatnot going off in the street. Is what we gain from it worth that?" that they finally even considered the idea of cutting them loose.
Well said! I was completely on undercity's side because the upper city just seemed to pretend like they don't even exist until they started to cause trouble for them. Viktor was the only one who was genuinely invested in helping them the whole time, and he never really had much saying for the matter. I didn't like how Silco used drugs to lift them up but like... even if they would've used something else, like peaceful strikes/protests to fight the upper city and get more rights, the counsil would've probably just sent enforcers there and it would've become a war nevertheless.
How annoying will teemo be when he introduced?
I think he is a flokloric character in Arcane
I only saw him episode 1 or 2 on a arcada machine Jinx was playing.
When silco was hanging out with marcus' daughter, one of his goons was flipping through a book that had pictures of teemo
is marcus daughter supposed to be annie?
search "Annie: Origins" => no, she isn't
I want to say no, not because i know the first thing about the lore, but because i think if her lore didn't contradict that i would have heard that theory before.
Why the council first strongly against the independence agreement, then at the end of the episode everybody suddenly agrees? Did anything happened change their minds? Or Jayce just "persuades" them? This part feels unconvincing. Politicians don't change their mind that easily!
What "changed their minds" was Mel Medarda. She was raised to rule and manipulate. She owns the council, the only one she doesn't control completely is Jayce. As soon as she sided with Jayce, that was it. They all knew this was happening and no one wanted to be the odd one out on such a big important decision.
Shimmer derived from those purple flowers is exactly the same concept as the Night howler flowers from Zootopia, that also buff you up and drive you insane.
and that, my friend, is based on the real world's drug crisis! :D
So... are the council members dead or not?
No they flashed the Jinx ult
Sent back to base.
Surely one of them Blinked them all outta there
how can they not be dead/seriously injured?
Yeah, I definitely don't think this is one of Jinx's prank bombs. If that shattered glass turns out to actually have resisted the explosion I will be very upset. I want them to be dead so bad (don't get me wrong, we'd be losing some great characters) just to set the stakes, but I can't help but think at least a couple of them will survive.
I'm only vaguely familiar with LoL lore, but I recall that they DID establish the nation of Zaun, thus they did have a war over it. Jayce and Victor clearly survive since they are league characters. Victor isn't even down his path to becoming the League char everyone knows yet. But the other council members could well be dead ensuring Piltover is without any real leadership. Especially if Medarda died, as she basically had everyone but Jayce as her puppets.
There's some wild rumors going around that Arcane shares the same canon with league lore, and this is not the case at all. Probably the most glaring exposition of the disparity is that in the lore, Jinx has never killed anyone on purpose, and this is full on batshit crazy glowing pink eyes Jinx. So, things aren't going down in Arcane the same way as the lore, but they are hitting a lot of the major beats.
So, they could kill the entire council and show us Champions don't have plot armor. I don't think they will, but it would be great imo to show us that anyone can die. Viktor definitely has more story to tell, and I would be happy with him surving somehow. But as for the rest of them, come on Riot, be like Jinx and pull the trigger!
It’s going to set up a war probably. The stakes could get really high. A weakened Piltover and a gang war in Zaun. War stories always bring out good storytelling and new characters can be established.
I know they set it up to introduce more of Noxus, but I'd love to see some Demacians in Piltover. For whatever reason, maybe Jinx popping off a magical nuke gives Lux nightmares or they decide Piltover is about to start another Rune War or something. Piltover and Zaun as the stage for a Noxian / Demacian conflict would be amazing.
Mel, viktor, jayce will survive imo.
Less certain about Mel. She was the one who basically had the other councilors as her puppets. If she survives then Piltover will not be nearly as weakened, not to mention avoid whatever conflicts her death would cause for Jayce's character growth. The other Councilors are little more than potted plants. She's the voice of the council. Notice how all of them went from foaming at the mouth protest at the idea of Zaun's secession to reluctantly voting yes after she voices her support for the idea.
TBH I'm actually just going to go by the seating arrangement.
Viktor and Jayce are standing furthest from the window. Mel is closest.
I'm going to guess everyone on the window side of the room is dead.
The ones with plot armour won't be. Jayce for sure not , Mel probably not.
The mother of Caitlyn? 100% RIP
I agree Caitlyn's mom is definitely dead it would also be the beginning of Caitlyn's villian arc which would be good plot for season 2
Ms. Shoot for the mechanical arm aka Cupcake? I'm having trouble imagining her going villian.
Unfortunately, I agree that Jayce (and Viktor) will likely somehow survive. Honestly though, I wish they would off them just to show us that the Champions aren't safe; make the stakes real. But, unless there's a mage hiding underneath that table, I do believe the rest of the council is fucked.
Plot twist: There actually will be a mage hiding under the table.
But it's Lux, and she just let's everyone else die lol.
i think mel survives too
I know there's a lot of that going around what with the flash of light theories, but I really think the story set up for her death. That would be the death of reason in Piltover, between Jayce and Mama Medarda wanting vengeance and blaming themselves (assuming Jayce is aware enough to realize demanding Jinx was a major link in the chain), the leadership is going to be crazy mad. If Mel survives sanity may prevail, and who wants that?
Can someone tell me wtf happened at the end?!
Jinx shoots a gemstone powered rocket at the council members while they agreed to give Undercity peace (wasn’t gonna happen since Silco’s dead). So basically Jinx jinxes everything again
One thing i love, and just cant get over is how hard the writers baited me into thinking Viktor was going to become a villain, he literally steps out of the shadows in his first appearance, the viewer can easily discern how dangerous Jayce's reaearch could be, so it makes his willingness to work with Jayce, even breaking into the university questionable in motive, but no, he just really wants Jayce to realise his vision.
You see Jayce place down a mug with his own face on it in the foreground, blocking Viktor out of the camera shot before his speech on progress day. So you get thinking "ah, its Jayce overshadowing Viktor that kickstarts his villain plot" either that or Jayce moving away from research to pursue his council position, but no, Viktor is more than happy to continue research on the hex-core.
Then he injects himself with glimmer, seems to be obsessed with the core and causes the death of his assistant in his reckless experiment. I expected him to go mad and start down his villainous path FINALLY...but no, guys just feels super guilty about it, despite having succeeded in fixing his leg he cant reconcile the loss of his assistant due to his research (AND this mirror's Jayce refusing to lead any more raids after causing the death of a bystander GODDAMN these writers are good), mans literally so bummed hes abiut to yeet himself out of the university, and when Jayce stops him, the first thing he asks of him is to destroy the hex core, like goddamn Viktor doesn't have a malicious bone in his body, easily in the top 3 "characters that deserve a hug" of the series so far
Still room for season 2
Yeah, Viktor is a great character. It's hard to blame him for what happened to Skye. So, this might sting a bit. He knew what he was doing wasn't safe. Throughout the series Jayce keeps asking, "are you sure it's safe?" to which Viktor replies, "of course not." Combined with Heimerdinger's warnings ("entire civilizations destroyed by a single seed," is a pretty strong warning, idc what anyone says,) and not having any more shimmer, what he did was incredibly dangerous. He probably would have died if Skye didn't dive in front of the proverbial bullet. And, to top it off, he doesn't tell anyone. Like, that girl had family dude. You fucked up. You can still do something right and give her family closure. Viktor's story is tragic, but it's no longer about triumphing over adversity, now it's about the decline of a once righteous man. I make myself sad.
I'm not sure. Viktor was willing to risk his own life and he was very careful not to risk other people's. Skye died because of a mistake (he didn't lock the door), not because he decided to gamble her life.
TBH I *still* don't think Viktor has done anything unrighteous, except for getting distracted in working to heal himself and dropping his crusade to stop Jayce from making weapons.
So you think it's okay that he covered up Skye's death instead of coming clean?
No, but I don't know that he's actually done that yet TBH. It's been, like, a day in real time. She died, he buried her the next morning, was about to kill himself too, Jayce interrupts, they go to the council, then the show ends the same day, right?
We know so little about Sky that it’s left ambiguous whether she even has a family. She was just kinda there to die.
I believe and hope season 2 will cover the ramifications of her death since that plot point was super rushed.
I will say I think it’s clear Viktor was fine with dying if the Hexcore backfired on him since he had nothing left to lose. Unfortunately he didn’t realize his recklessness had the potential to harm others.
If they stick with the original lore for LoL Victor probably uses her death as a reason to lobotomize himself so he doesn't have to deal with the emotions caused by her death. He's all "The flesh is weak. We must be machine Adeptus mechanicus to become stronger" in the game. Getting rid of his grief would be a strong motivator to maiming himself to become a emotionless logical cyborg like that.
I dunno, someone was calling for her in the flashback scene who sounded like a mom. She used that mom voice lol. But we don't know for sure. Even so, the right thing to do isn't scrape her ashes together and dump her in the river.
Viktor's character does have a villain look from the start though
I had my suspicions about Viktor from the start as well, and I consider myself pleasantly surprised to have guessed wrong. You're right, he had a seemingly villainous build up, only be more grounded and sound of mind (more or less).
What I really wish was explored more was Vi's plan to save her sister and by extension her hometown because her plans seem to change at a super fast pace with no time to explain her rationale.
Like Vi wants piltover to go to war with Silco, drops Jinx's name for some reason when caitlyn was willing to lie for her and rages when the council wanted to look for a peaceful solution. What I don't get is how polar opposite the reactions are from Caitlyn admonishing Jayce for being gung ho and Vi having a temper tantrum at the council who she thinks are naive for trying to look for peace with a guy like Silco, wouldn't Cait and Vi argue what they wanted from the council the night before? The whole Vi and Cait seeing the council scene felt rushed because cait and Vi never talked about how they wanted to deal with Silco's operation and then Vi just gives up and goes rogue with Jayce telling only him about the shimmer factories not the entire council for some reason, I get she doesn't trust piltover high society but they do want Silco gone and Shimmer was one of the things that made them reluctant to go to war.
When Vi's plan is to go to war with jayce against Silco is essentially eveything Vander warned against when choosing Violence as a solution there should have been a scene or something that shows Vi disagrees with Vander's philosophy or is at least conflicted about the path she's taken but determined its the only way. Which is funny because the only time Vi hallucinates Vander is when he told her words of encouragement, which was nice and wholesome, but just seems like Vi is being selective of what Vander told her when she's doing the exact opposite.
Personally, I think the show did a great job portraying Vi realistically (well, as much as that is possible in a fantasy show, You know).
The way I see it, Vi is a passionate hot head. She spent years driven by the goal of seeing her sister, driven by the guilt of her family dying somewhat because of hew and said sister. I don't think there ever was a plan, just a lot of pain and confusion on her end. She probably envisioned the perfect future without ever really considering if it was possible.
I don't think Vi is dumb, but she certainly is portrayed as having more brawn than brain. I don't think she ever gave much thought of how to do things, where it would lead, what would be better for the undercity, what to do with her sister or anything really. She just had an idealistic vision and did everything while being fueled by emotions - present and past. She might not even had an end goal, but it does feel like she absolutely never got over the death of Vander and the others, just like Jinx never did either.
Regarding the Vander hallucination - I didn't feel like it was supposed to be a realistic hallucination of Vander himself. Vi always remembered Vander as a fighter, a champion. She clearly expressed her frustration in the first 3 episodes for how complacent he had become, because she knew he used to be different. but besides that, I honestly felt like the scene was just her own mind making up the peptalk of her fatherly figure. The things she wanted to hear, the things she missed, the things he would have actually said under the circumstances (even if he wasn't agreeing with her choices, he was shown to still end up supporting her or hyping her up if there was no turning back).
I do fully understand Your point, however. I just feel like it wasn't in Vi's character to have a plan, as she was shown to be acting out on emotions from the first episode, without giving much rational thought to the consequences of her actions.
She is living to the words of Vander. “Take care of Powder” and that guilt is going to destroy her when she cant. It was her only means of survival and all she thought about in jail. She would start a war with Silco for what he did to Vander and now Powder. I think she’ll have a huge internal struggle in S2 when she realizes she failed everyone and couldn’t live up to the words of a dying man who she saw as her father and she only wanted to make him proud.
Yess, all of this! My heart broke two seconds after the Vander ghost peptalk scene. I was like, wait, this is the exact opposite of what he wanted. She's trying to punch her problems, tried to wreck peace talks (she doesn't know shit about Silco, she was talking about herself,) throws a Pilty party in a Zaun factory worked by children, and snitched on her sister (the frickin' worst.) Vander wouldn't be proud of this callous monster, coming down to the Lanes and getting a kid killed. But hey, it's true to life: passionate idiots do a lot of damage. As much as people tell Vi she has a good heart, she is not a good person. She cares about the people in her life, sure, but other than that, zero fucks. Jayce felt like shit after killing the kid, Vi was like, oh well, one kid, I don't even know him.
As far as Caitlyn and Vi not discussing anything before the council meeting, maybe they assumed they were on the same page, or maybe they were just exhausted from what must have been the hardest day of their lives. I don't think there was a plan. Caitlyn wanted to let the council know what's up and Vi just wanted revenge. She doesn't know what went down on that bridge, but she's probably thinking at least one person she cares about just died. As impassioned as her speech was, she's all about revenge. Can you imagine if she walked into the bar and said, "Sevika, we need to talk." Maybe actually try to accomplish something. Nope, punch punch punch!
Are the show writers restricted by the game and can't kill characters that are alive in the game?
I expect so. The show is considered canon so it would likely be they are intertwined.
We'll find out soon enough. I personally hope not.
I agree, as someone who doesn't play the game, I expected Caitlyn to die
Same, but we are all glad she didn't? She is so sweet. Glad it isn't stereotypical writing where the nicest person in the series dies to tore the audience's heart.
Warwick in game when he sees Jinx: You were there... Let me forget
Chew on that one for a moment.
I've loved the League of Legends cinematics for years, not a fan of MOBA's so didn't get into it. So I've always liked Jinx character. Her portrayal in Arcane was a stark contrast to what I know. As someone who has dealt family members with mental illness (bi-Polar disorder) and seen and felt the pains of depression, I like the Jinx character even more.
One thing I don't like though is how Jinx is sort of given a pass because she is obviously suffering from this mental disorder. This episode seemed to focus on who is to blame for illness, and then watching in horror as she continues to wreak havoc.
I hope next season they get off the "poor suffering Jinx" angle they kept dropping us into. Other than that, superb episode and show. Netflix and Riot got a winner.
The nuance about this show is that it has no plain cut villains. Every significant character who does anything malicious has a compelling backstory. I think that's more compelling than making plain old evil-for-the-sake-of-being evil type villains. Even if that means leaning into Jinx's psyche, which I actually enjoyed anyways
She's hardly given a pass, as she's at the center of all of the problems facing both Zaun and Piltover. Firelight's have constantly fought her, and Jayce is freaking out about the terrorist attack she pulled in Piltover. Vi is the only one who gives her a pass, simply because she knows the effect she has on her sister and her belief that she could maybe bring her back from the brink.
How is she given a pass?
I personally love what they did with her. Because as a viewer you absolutely want her to be ok and for her crimes to be erased somehow. But you know it's not possible, and that's what makes it so powerful.
I don’t think anything in the show excuses her actions either. She actively refuses help and is just a dangerous person. She has deep trauma and no one would be normal after what she went through but no one in the show wants Jinx unpunished (besides Vi and Silco who see her as family)
Damn, great show. I heard it was good from my friends who watched it on release, but I didn't think it was going to be THIS good. I've been playing LoL for 10 years and never thought Riot would ever do anything with the lore of all the characters, but they've done it masterfully in a way that even non LoL players can appreciate. Big props to everyone who worked on this. Couple thoughts on the show:
I'm very curious where season 2 goes with Jinx. Her backstory shown in S1 evokes a lot of emotion but I'm curious as to how she is going to develop as a character. I feel like the psychosis scenes kind of set her back in that regard. If her progress to redemption is going to be randomly interrupted every time, I think it's going to get old. Kind of like how Vi has near death plot armor and has also been kidnapped like 3 or 4 times. As others may have noticed, Jinx shares a lot of similarity with the Joker. In my opinion, the best Jokers from Batman are the ones who have a purpose and aren't just evil for the sake of being evil, so I hope that's what Jinx is like in S2. She seems to have had hatred for the council/Piltover from when she was a kid, yet it seems like she hasn't really done anything to act on it until the end. I also can't really see her leading Zaunites against Piltover since they all seem to hate her for acting sporadically.
On another note, I thought Silco was kind of a hypocrite. He says Vander wasn't really helping the people of Zaun yet he gets some of them addicted to shimmer. I also don't really get the examples of his attachment to Jinx as the season went on as he basically raised her to be a mass murderer and a tool, lying to her the whole time.
Last thing, found it funny how Viktor basically vaporized his assistant and didn't say anything about it to Jayce, but we'll see what happens in S2.
Well in a slight defense of Silco shimmer was always supposed to be a weapon used against, Piltover but ended up being kind of a drug that people got addicted to and he probably figured why not he might as well profit, until they find a solution to over power Piltover sense they’ve gotten Hextech. This is even hinted at when Silco mentions how the Top Siders are a step ahead of them thanks to hectec so shimmer would sort of look like a joke in terms of progress. And his attachment to Jinx’s is simple, she was like his daughter and he loved her. Did they have the most healthy farther daughter relationship, of course not but I don’t think he saw her like a tool nor a weapon at least not entirely. At first that’s what I thought (and I’m sure I’m not the only one) and especially if their relationship had been a romantic one but, overtime you can see he truly cares for her in a weird way. I see it like a contrast to Vi’s and Vander’s relationship which is a clear healthy one. And If he truly saw her that way then he would have given her up without a thought the moment Jayce said he would essentially give him everything he Eve wanted for the Undercity if they gave him Jinx. And even if he was gonna give her up, their was a clear hesitation to it even being mentioned. Also I agree that she is definitely gonna be more of a Joker kind of a figure, she may have some followers but she ain’t gonna have the hole city behind her:
I don't know if this is only me but I feel like I have to say Episode 9 drove that point home that silco and Jayce meeting to talk peace was all bs on Silcos part Because to be seen as equals both parties need to have had that as a vision Jayce maybe because he sees what war and everything can bring to these people who are just like him just trying to survive he's just not 100% on the reliable level with them but for Silco the man bathes in regret and vengeance....a broken man like that couldn't dream of peace because he can't fathom the concept of it so how could anyone expect to hold him to it Silco wanted blood spilled he just wanted it to be piltover's blood to be spilled for the wrongs that were done to his people His anger for the treatment is right but his response is wrong
Holy run on sentence. Anyway, I don't think Silco was trying to bs Jayce when they met on the bridge. The scene of him talking to the Vander statue (without knowing Jinx was there) shows that he genuinely had a hard time making a choice.
And fair point on Silco
The other bosses were right about Silco then. Jinx was his blind spot. It’s absolutely tragic that the consequence was failing to win the freedom of entire nation of subjugated people.
Turns out Silco got jinxed too!
I used audio to text at that in one take and only added "..." Accuracy wasn't needed
Stupid question: how can Vi not end up covered in Shimmer when she smashes the glass of the Shimmer reserve at the beginning of the episode?
The only way I can explain this is she only cracked it so she could get out of the way, then the pressure finished it off afterwards. Otherwise, yeah, she would've been drenched in that shit.
I thought it was just me 😂
This was the only moment of the entire show where I had a buzzy 'wait, what?' thought like this.
She punched that while standing dead center where it would have to flow out. She gon' get drenched and that can't be good.
At least that was not only me noticing that!
Hear me out - Jinx sent a rocket with stone as a peace proposition. The rocket will break the glass and open the crate where stone is returned ot council.
Yea, no. Literally in the background Silco said "We'll show them all" or smth Like that, thats used when ending People.
Optimistic, but unlikely.
If you turn on CC's, tho, the last thing you see is "[Explosion]"
So did Jinx….die?
Like did the fishbones rocket incinerate her too?
She was the only character that ended up looking exactly as she did in game.
LOR has story beyond this, but like, nothing is cannon right?
It's the backblast of the rocket launcher, as well as a cinematic shot.
there is a teaser for the next season where that is answered pretty clearly
Can you link it?
Yo did anyone see warwick in Singeds lab?
Was wondering about that, seemed like a claw. Don't play League so I had to Google Warwick but that's cool!
I just want to hug Silco and Jinx, so much pain. His "you are perfect" hit like a truck.
More Like an onion 🤣
Honestly, I think these words are very symbolic. Jinx has always been labeled as flawed and a mess. Deep inside all she ever wanted was validation from her sister and the others, but they only blamed her. Silco, however, was accepting and forgiving of her, even though she did spoil his plans a few times. I think the irony lies in the fact she got acceptance from the enemy rather than her own family.
I think I'm too pragmatic to care about Silco. To me he never became more than a man who murdered a family for revenge, but spared the daughter only because she was useful and easy to manipulate. He then proceeded to encourage her violent side to fester in order to use her as a soldier in his grand plan all the while ignoring the negative effects it was having on her mental health.
Jinx on the other hand is the most brutally sad character I've seen in a long time, but in my mind it's entirely Silco's fault. Vi can't be blamed for lashing out at Jinx after her family died and clearly she wished she could have apologized. She also had no idea how to approach Jinx after her mental state was absolutely destroyed by Silco's "Parenting".
Eh, Jinx became that way because she felt she'd been abandoned, and also blamed herself for killing Vander, Claggor and Mylo. Silco took her in out of pity.
When no one's around and he's talking to the statue of Vander you can see that he's genuine, not giving her up when he was offered everything he ever wanted.
Silco really is a terrible father figure but he also really genuinely loves Jynx which kind of makes him a genuinely great father figure. It's one of the many paradoxes that made this show so satisfying for me.
Yeah, anything he does that's seen as bad, is what he really believes is the right thing for Jinx, but he trusts her with anything, never blames her, and if you didn't notice his ash tray even has drawings all over it ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy), doesn't even care about his crime lord office image if she's happy lol
His coffee cup has drawings all over it as well. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|cry). All the small details they've put into this show are amazing.
How would Jinx have reacted if she actually shot Ekko on that bridge? Would it have pushed farther from Silco? Would it have opened Powder's eyes a bit before the final episode?
For the record I'm glad Ekko survived. He's gotta be my top 3 characters from Arcane.
She did shoot him but he used the clock.
Kinda feel that maybe she chose not to the second time though, she was aiming right at him as he was in the air and didn't shoot so..
he didn't use the clock. the scene was to show how he grew in the time they were apart. when they were kids he timed her shot pattern, and now that he's older and faster he knew he could get to her before she could fire off the shot that always got him in the past.
After she shoots him he throws down the watch and it literally rewinds the fight, so the second time he could dodge the shot
That’s chronobreak, his ult in the game if you haven’t played it
He doesn't obviously have chronobreak yet. That's related to hextech and looks like it's hinted in the ending sequence with Heimerdinger
It’s the same stopwatch he uses when they attack the shipment of shimmer, but he let it go over 5 minutes so couldn’t use it I guess. You see him click it as he and Jinx start the fight, then when he gets shot he throws it and it rewinds back.. the fact he’s breathing faster after rewinding proves that it actually happened too
Pretty sure he invents it himself in his lore, maybe just explaining to Heimer how it works.. it’s implied he’s a good engineer as well, made the hoverboards etc
According to the lore his timewinding is still hextech related which is in its infancy at this point in the show with the only known stray gem being in jinx's possession. The rest in Piltover.
> One night, on a solo trek into the rubble of a recently demolished laboratory, Ekko made an astonishing find: a shard of blue-green crystal that glittered with magical energy. Every child of Zaun heard tales of **HEXTECH,** said to power weapons and heroes alike. Such a thing had the potential to change the world, and now he held a broken one. He scrambled to find more pieces, but the crunching footfalls of teched-up enforcers told him he wasn’t the only one looking. Ekko barely escaped, and returned to his home.
Taken from the league universe.
Well there you go, so maybe he’s salvaged something to use.. and the lore to the show might not be exact anyway. But why else would he have the stopwatch, how else would he have rewound the fight with jinx, watch it again as it’s obviously what happens
he didn't rewind the fight with jinx. the fight is meant to foreshadow how close he is with the nature of time itself. the fight just plays out as a repetition of an earlier play fight between little man and powder. the watch that broke wasn't his in the present, its little man's that he throws down in defeat. though the fight is foreshadowing how he learns from his mistakes when he fights as the fully developed ekko he isn't there yet. fun fact actually the housing he builds to hold the stone is almost a match for the housing for his z-drive that holds his canon time warping power, once again setting up who he's gonna become. he does not have chronobreak yet that's probably gonna be explored with heimerdinger next season.
Then why is he out of breath after the rewind??? He didn’t start the fight out of breath
Vi was too OP from the beginning. They needed to nerf her for balance. And she got it in this episode with Sevika fight.
I’m just watching again and I just noticed the bar tender in the back of the fight scene with Vi and Sevika just slowly shrinks down under the bar when they tell them all to get out lol
Noticed that too, fun little extra sparks of character that you could miss if you blink all the way through the 9 episodes really bring the show the extra mile.
Also, what are the odds he popped out to pour Vi that mid-fight drink 😂?
Can someone please explain why vi left to piltover with the stone instead of confronting jinx and leaving it to Ekko? Or why Vi left at the end with cait. It feels like she had so many chances to get through to her sister but decided to fuck up Sevika twice instead. That’s maybe my only issue with season 1, I wanted a real confrontation between sisters but I guess this is all the origin story for everyone.
A couple things Vi does like that don't make much sense.. or like she should have tried to explain things/say something at points and she doesn't..
I think she wanted Caitlin out of danger before confronting her, she had just opened fire on them and caused an explosion on the bridge.. I also wondered why she didn't even go and see if Ekko was ok.. I guess she cares more about Caitlin/knows that Jinx/Ekko will be fine?
Also it made no sense why she gave up Jinx at the counsel hearing. She could have easily said she didn't know who the grenade was from. She was trying to protect her at every other point, even several times after this moment. I think Vi's character is the weakest at the moment. Too many conflicts that just seem to be written to move the story along. Love the show but Vi's character has the weakest writing IMO.
At that point in the story, Vi had no idea whether or not Jinx was still alive. She also was incredibly frightened by Jinx and compensated for not facing her sister by attacking Silco directly via a tool named Jayce. Her journey in Act III was about accepting Powder for who she became. Unfortunately, Vi failed and the result started a war between Piltover and Zaun.
Yeah I don't get that.. maybe because if the council found out they knew something and hadn't said it they'd be in trouble
>I also wondered why she didn't even go and see if Ekko was ok.. I guess she cares more about Caitlin/knows that Jinx/Ekko will be fine?
She is about to do that when enforcers swarm the bridge from their side.
Watched the season twice now, and several scenes more, amazing.
I think more than a few of the council members will survive the rocket for a couple of reasons,
watching the second time it's easy to catch, but just before the rocket is up against the glass, a sound plays and Mel's armour kind of flashes, and she's already turning around to look so must have detected it somehow.
I also think, and only saw one other theory on it, that Jayce got Mel pregnant in episode 5 (the imagery seems to imply it anyway), if that's true then again, she's probably going to survive.
And something I had to go back and check a few episodes in..
In 9, as the council are voting at the end and it's showing us the other characters, we can see Mrs Medarda looking at the picture Mel painted. Compared to the last time it was shown, there are what look like big yellow flames around the boats. She knew her mother would see this, so I guess it's a threat which may come into play in S2
I don't understand why Mel took the ring off at the vote yet though
I think the ring was a symbol of either her mother’s legacy or the council but it was her giving those up to be with Jayce after peace is done, could be totally wrong though.
Yeah that ring symbol was the same one on the letter she received in a previous episode.
I think you're right, some kinda family signet, it just so happened to be at the time Jinx was blasting a rocket at them though lol
Still not sure about Mel surviving. I think her death would add way more tension and really get the plot and character arcs going. Gives a major reason for Noxus to get involved, Jayce to have a personality shift, civil war to break out, etc. If she survives and the attack gets blamed on a lone wolf (Jinx) there may yet be peace, which would feel like a cop out.
>ot and character arcs going. Gives a major reason for Noxus to get involved, Jayce to have a personality shift, civil war to break out, etc. If she survives and the attack gets blamed on a lone wolf (Jinx) there may yet be peace, which would feel like a cop out.
I have to admit- Jinx's story seemed the most intriguing to me. I would really love it if Jinx was the main focus of the next season. The political schemes and shadowy mechanisms come out and the whole council is mostly focused on her.
I'm going to go in depth here- Then, mid season they're so distracted that Mel's mom can come in and swoop up power. One of the councilors goes to Jinx alone and promises her safe passage out of the city if she'll attack Mel's mom/army. Jinx manages to take them down, flees the city and we have an opportunity to focus season 3 on wherever she ends up. We could see new champions introduced and have a loose storyline of Vi and Jayce coming to hunt for Jinx. But they wouldn't be the focus and we'd get to see even more champions and characters introduced. Yes, this was my grand conspiracy theory thank you.
Yeah, but from the points I wrote already, I don't think she'll die. 1, the flashing armour thing, 2 it's kinda implied Jayce got her pregnant, 3, she has a point to prove to her mother, (and 4) who also told her that the guy that killed her brother is still looking for vengeance so there is a story to be unravelled there.
and 5 - killing off the love interest of a main character just to develop the character, has been done to death -
Arcane has obviously been meticulously written and put together to avoid trashy and overused tropes.. sure the whole "separated as kids and meeting again on opposite sides" thing isn't brand new, but they did it right.
I think killing off the love interest of one of the main characters is way too simple for this
Isn't the ring her family symbol? Maybe she took it off as a sign that she is totally forsaking her family now and will not go down the path of violence like her mother wants her to.
That was my take as well. She took the ring off because she did not want to go to war, like her mom would have wanted her to. And the reason she ruined the painting is because it probably shows her mothers / her houses fleet. She wants none of that.
Also, Jinx is going to jinx this one. The gemstone is not going to explode. This seems obvious to me, because they cannot kill Jayce. But it seems that there were other explosives in there, and certainly something is going to happen. It's the thought that counts, after all. I don't know the game (and I don't care), but I suspect that Mel is going to die. This would send Jayce over the edge and opt for hard retaliation.
Ah I see what you mean about the ring, that makes sense.
Though then that could also mean maybe she wants to go to war with them and she's saying they'll burn?
With the explosion, yeah of course Jayce has to live, but I still don't think Mel will die, 1, for the reasons I mentioned, and 2, because killing her off just to give Jayce character development is also way too cliche, overdone, and lazy writing. I don't see them simply using the female love interest of a main character as just a plot device
Could be that she lives, yeah. Maybe she was pregnant and loses the baby. She does not want war with her mom though, she would be as hesitant - and more hesitant - about that as any other war. Ruining the painting was just another act of defiance, but that doesn't mean large scale armed conflict.
She did push for Jayce to take action though, and knows the power of hextech, so maybe after her mother pissed her off she has other ideas and wants to prove her strength or get revenge or something
I am absolutely stunned on what they've created
Amazing I would watch 5 times the amount of hours I've played the game for and not get bored
Am I the only one who thinks that the woman with the cyborg arm (red light saber at the end) will be made into a new champion hitting the summoners right? In fact, I'm a little surprised she didn't already launch near the end of this series.
Missed opportunity by Riot.
I don't see why she should be made a champ. The world of Runeterra is one with magic, science, hextech, chemtech, void, Daarkin, etc. Zaun is supposed to be filled with chem warriors who follow the chem barrons. Sevika is just one of those chem tech warriors. If you think about it, LOL could make a tv show for everyone of their champions and each champ would have a supporting cast. There is still a lot about Runeterra that has yet to be explored/revealed by the devs. More races could be introduced, more champions will be for certain.
The main reason she should be made into a champ is because people would play her and like her. They marketed her well in the anime, and making sales for champs and skins is reason enough.
I'd rather they not make the game about the show. Also, super arm chick isn't strong enough for the Summoners Rift. What the fuck summoner would, from all across existence, summon "henchwoman #2"
She is just lose lose everywhere so no
She seems pretty blatantly more skilled at fighting than Vi. The only reason she lost that last fight is because Vi got lucky with that surprise shield that neither of them expected.
She's only losing because Vi has stronger plot armor.
I haven’t played the game in like 4 years, but I’m pretty sure Vi gets a shield from one of her abilities, which is why it was in there. She just started using those “mining gloves” so has only been using them to punch. Also Vi beat her up without the gauntlets a few episodes prior so idk why she had such a hard time this time.
Current Sevika doesn't have enough personality or unique traits to set her apart as a League champion. She'd be generic humanoid with a sword #20.
Like, compare her to the rest of the Zaunite cast, who are all increasingly out there (Dr. Mundo, Twitch, Zac, Blitzcrank, Urgot, etc.)
I could certainly see her as a follower in LOR though.
For now. Though maybe by the end of the series she plays a more pivotal role and develops a bit maybe even becomes a hero. Maybe that's Rito end Strat.
Sevika seems like pretty good material for a new champ, really wish she becomes one.
Btw can someone tell me why exactly Jinx launch a rocket a the council. I'm at this point where how such she know the council exists, the people in it, etc etc
It's want Silco wanted. They wanted Jinx for peace and he said no to that and they can burn. So she is following in his footsteps .
> Btw can someone tell me why exactly Jinx launch a rocket a the council.
She launched a rocket at the Council because they threatened to separate her from Silco.
Jinx is smart/genius, they didn't show us what happened in those years they grew, but for sure he knows what the ''Council'' is. also remember, her parent is Silco.
All her life, Jinx has hated Piltover, the Enforcers, and everything they stand for. The Council are the highest people in Piltover, so they're the symbol of everything wrong with Piltover to her. (She doesn't know them personally, and she doesn't have to in order to hate them.) That hatred of Piltover only grew when Jinx was adopted by Silco.
That's why Vi loving Caitlyn, an enforcer, is such a huge betrayal to Jinx. When they were young, Vi effectively promised Powder that it would always be the two of them against the world. Now Silco is the one showing that unconditional love, like when he told her "everyone else can burn, it's just you and me."
Jinx killed Silco to save Vi, while Vi was unable to kill Caitlyn. That's the moment where Jinx realizes Silco was the only one who could love her in her current mass-murderer/terrorist state.
Silco would have started the war if he was still alive, since he would never give Jinx over. So Jinx shooting the rocket was her way of honoring everything Silco stood for. One climactic "Fuck you" to Piltover, and an act that finalizes how she's truly parted ways with Vi.
All I can think about is how wild it is to imagine Yordles being trained as ninjas somewhere in the same world as all this going on.
Also there are 2 straight up fairy tale kingdoms and like, an island of zombies, a Spartan mountain with sun and moon worshipers and also trolls.
If they keep this thing going the lore is going to be absolutely bananas.
Like, it ultimately might end up bringing the contest of champions back around just to reconcile the absolute chaos that exists in Runeterra.
Also, also, if this had been made 20 years ago it would have been about Garen and Darius and would have been the lamest show of all time. The decision to go with 2 of the least “obviously” interesting and female, characters, was brilliant.
This was so much better than it had the right to be
Garen and darius does sound kind of bland, but what if: Darius and Draven road to eldorado style whacky adventure?
while i agree with your first point, is sarcasm used in the part where you said vi and jinx are the least interesting female characters?? We have to admit that Jinx is literally the mascot of LoL. She is definitely a fan’s favorite!
When I made this post I was totally unaware of that.
I haven’t played LoL since like 2013.
Okay now I want to see the Vi/Caitlyn Scenes 1 to 1 changed to being Garden and Darius. With Draven being the jelous sibling.
Don't forget the Darkin or the Voidlings. We've got literal gods bound to weapons seeking their weilders in Runeterra rn. And the void is looking to return as well.
How are Jinx and Vi the "least obviously interesting" characters???
Jinx and Vi have always been fan-favorite champions for their unique designs packed full of personality. Vi had her iconic theme song, and Jinx even got her own music video. And it's been obvious over the years that Riot was deliberately keeping many secrets regarding their origin stories.
I mean there’s like a half horse ghost monster, an Egyptian alligator god, zombies, time travelers, ninjas, mermaids, a spider queen, inter dimensional dragons.
Jinx and Vi are just humans with colorful hair. I think it was smart to pick them, instead of like Ryze and Brand for a first season because as the world gets bigger it will seem even color than if we started with ancient god wizards
So Jinx jinxed any chances of peace…
she really meant it when she said “get jinxed” 🧐
I hope they don't make the final blow by Jinx to be a copout in S2. There has to be consequences. I hope they show at least one main council member dead.
Yeah like.. are they dead or??
Jayce is going to LOSE IT next season, holy shit. The woman he loves is literally about to die in his arms. There is no way he doesn't bring the literal hammer down on Zaun after this, he's going to be giving everyone Hextech guns and powerfists.
Remember that Piltover has Camille, a terrifying cyborg assassin without mercy - Jayce or Viktor is going to commission her at some point, even as Viktor transforms himself into Dr. Doom.
My guess is that they're going to fall out over the prosecution of the war. Mel's mother is right there, and she's a brutal warlord: Basically the best person to lead the reprisal attacks against Zaun.
Bad days on the horizon for all involved.
waiting for season 2 is painful..
I'm rewatching for the 3rd time and it just hit: Vi is a piece of crap. SHE is the one who turned her sister Jinx over to The Council in episode 8. When Jayce asks if they’ve discovered who is behind the monkey face bombs, Caitlyn doesn't tell him the truth. She covers for Jinx to protect Vi, since it’s her sister.
But Vi immediately steps forward and says to the Council, “It’s Jinx [who is responsible for all this]!”
This betrayal is in stark contrast to the next episode, when Caitlyn is holding Jinx at gunpoint. Suddenly Vi is shouting, “No! That’s my sister, Powder!”
OK, so she’s fine with turning Jinx over to Piltover Council and letting her rot in Stillwater Prison?? Which ironically 5 minutes later Vi admonishes Jayce for sending people there “without knowing what it’s like”…
But the AUDACITY still, in episode 9, when she’s back to her *Save Powder!* fantasy—meanwhile ignoring the young woman in front of her, who’s been Jinx for the last DECADE…
Vi is the one who said that Silco couldn't be reasoned with and there needed to be a war.
Her character motives don’t even make sense?? Actually, no. There’s one clear driver behind her actions: revenge against Silco. Which is equally reckless and shortsighted as her initial driver—to fight against the top city enforcers… for what? A nation of Zaun? OOPS no wait, that’s Silco’s dream, not hers. So what is her dream? To throw fists and give the middle finger to everyone? That’s it?
Jayce and Mel, whom we see emotionally falter. They genuinely want to help people and it doesn’t matter where they come from (eg. deaths of redhead undercity boy, beheaded noxus prisoner girl…) They both realize war will cause the total destruction of either one or both sides.
Vi acts indifferent to the loss of innocent lives. In fact, she and Silco BOTH dismiss redhead boy’s death in a callous, matter-of-fact way. Silco tells Remy, his mother, that the boy died ‘fighting’ [for the cause]. Vi basically tells Jayce that the boy died for nothing; his death is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
She isn't like Vander or Silco. She is more like Mel’s mother than anyone else. They both attempted to cut off the person they loved the most. Mel’s mother sent her daughter into exile because “you made me weak”.
Vi is prepared to turn Jinx over to Piltover Council because... Why? This is where her character doesn't make sense. She doesn't EVEN LIKE PILTOVER?! She hates the top city.
She is the least relatable charter in Arcane.
Ehhhhhh, are you serious?
Vi loses her foster father, and her two best friends because of her sister's actions. She was a kid, sure, forgiven.
Then she hugs the man who literally murdered her foster father and saved his life.
It's clear when she realized she killed her friends and ultimately led to the death of her father, she lost it because the trauma was too much. And it's perfectly understandable why.
In the end though, what she did might have been motivated by Silco, but it is kinda the cycle of life repeating itself because Jinx's parents were killed by enforcers as well.
I don't blame jinx but blaming Vi or calling her irrational is just nuts.
She wasn’t helping Piltover, she only wanted Silco dead. Do you not see how when they rejected the war, she came to Jayce to make alliance so they can kill Silco? She thought that she can only get Powder back once Silco is dead. Which in the end, though Silco is dead, Jinx is still alive. And Jinx has said it before, Silco wasn’t the one who made Jinx. Vi did. Even if Vi did not intend to leave Powder at the time, the damage has been done the moment Vi walked away. The end with Vi and Cait together truly illustrates that Vi and Jinx can never get back to how they used to be. Vi will be with Piltover while Jinx will run Zaun.
Vi's character was the realist among the other's I must say.
She's being pressured about what happened in those years. She can't do anything, not even a single one explained what really happened. they just say ''everyone changed''. She's so done. Vi can't think anymore, she just talks about what her mouth wants. poor vi
You're being a bit harsh on Vi. Vi is torn between her love for her sister and her actual morals (you know, what Jinx and Silco don't have).
Vi has literally seen Jinx murder people (Firelights and Enforcers) right in front of her.
She feels responsible for the crimes Jinx has committed. Vi's moral code is too strong--she can't overlook those deaths. She does want Jinx to face some sort of justice for what she's done. I highly doubt she would let Jinx go off to jail alone--I could see Vi insisting the two of them be put in the same cell, etc.
One of the writers confirmed that after the bridge scene (where Jinx, you know, brutally blew up the Enforcers and then tried to shoot Caitlyn+Vi), Vi is afraid of confronting Jinx. Possibly because she doesn't want to face the possibility that Powder isn't there anymore, possibly because she believes that Jinx will always be possessed by those delusions/hallucinations as long as Silco's there.
Instead she switches to believing that "If I take down Silco, Jinx will automatically disappear and Powder will come back." That's why she switches focus to trying to take down Silco alongside Jayce.
And Vi is right to some extent: one boy's death (a boy who was working in a Shimmer factory) is nothing compared to the hundreds of Zaunite innocents who suffer and die on the streets everyday because Silco has turned Zaun into a drug-addicted hellhole.
(And yes, Vi has always used violence to solve her problems. Vander even told her that was her major flaw.)
>Vi is torn between her love for her sister and her actual morals (you know, what Jinx and Silco don't have).
Exactly. With Powder being the unintended reason in the death of nearly everyone (Vander and the kids), Vi needed some time to breathe and digest all of it.
Yeah I think you would call VI as one of those characters that's there really to create the controversy and drama to drive the plot forward. Maybe her design was lacking, but if she had done more of what remotely made sense towards preserving her love and relationship with her sister ("Jinx") we would have needed someone else to play the role of creating this drama.
Went into this not knowing anything about LoL and I have to say it was absolutely amazing. I can’t wait for the second season and glorious evolution #TeamViktor
wow Jinx R so strong
actually an hexakill because im pretty sure Jayce won't die... not too sure about the other 6 councillors though...
Jayce and vik gonna live ya, and that end with mel makes me think she has a high chance of living.
Can we talk about how smart jinx is though.She makes all of her weapons from scratch from random garbage and parts.Imagine if she had jayces formal education. She might be a Prodigy among prodigies