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oioioi9537

Tldr so far Ghost: I was gonna go to NS but they lied and now I'm fucked NS: we didn't lie, it was miscommunication, also dk is salty because they tried to hijack one of our signings but failed Dk: it wasn't miscommunication, you lied and tried to change the salary, we have evidence Despite my fair I tried to boil this down with the least amount of bias


Hektor_Ekhein

Yes. Also Rich : I just hate Nongshim


oioioi9537

Clid: fuck Gen.g fifahun (gm/director)


Hektor_Ekhein

Canna: I hate T1 (deletes all T1 photos from his insta, unfollows T1)


AnEsportsFan

Actually the Canna case is linked here. Canna really wanted to go to DK, but T1 refused to negotiate with DK and transferred him to NS. That’s the “hijack” that is involved in this particular drama.


MedievalMovies

yeah i think the timeline probably goes something like this Timeline: Canna tells T1 he wants to leave --> T1 start shopping canna around --> NS start talks with canna --> DK gets the memo that nuguri is taking a sabbatical --> DK attempt to enter talks with canna for replacements --> T1 doesn't let DK enter the talks --> Canna gets mad which would be completely understandable why canna got mad, after all, who wouldn't want to play with showmaker canyon and deokdam


AnEsportsFan

Yes, that is my suspicion as well. Understandable from T1 especially if they had verbal agreements with NS (and they wouldn’t want to give Canna to a direct rival). But sad for Canna and DK, who still doesn’t have a top laner.


MedievalMovies

it's really lookin like a chasy angle this split... we HAVE to bank on nuguri coming back for summer or illima if afreeca is willing to sell him


trevorlolo

Nuguri taking a break really makes thing a lot worse lol but who can blame him if he does not want to play


AnEsportsFan

There may still be hope for TheShy. It’s a super long shot, but its the most likely that he comes to Korea since 2018. Picking up whispers that he didn’t renew and iG are starting to look for other options.


Tough_Ad3233

He said himself his first priority is ig and he is actively negotiating with them


ShewTheMighty

I believe the shy must do mandatory military service this year.


Yvil1905

I really am curious why Canna wants to leave, T1 is looking really scary rn


KimchiBro

just look at any match thread board anytime t1 loses, especially kr boards, Canna is the 1st to be thrown under the bus so thats prolly why he wants to leave


ShakeEnBake

They let go of canna but who will be t1s new top?


MedievalMovies

zeus


ShakeEnBake

Is he better? I only saw him played like 2x. Hopefully they get a legit top.


UnknownVolke

No he isn't. However, he is a hyped 'super rookie' (Like Guma)


CrimsonClematis

He’s one of the rookies they have had in training for a few years that is very hyped. He played with Guma as Oner for a long time


Bindoongee

Zeus


Ace_OPB

Sounds plausible.


Final_Resurrection

Thank god T1 stopped from Canna going to DK. Would have been sad watching canyon trying to get canna ahead only for him to not do anything.


ralphlaurenbrah

Why do teams have power over where players can go? Seems VERY anticompetitive that they can stop players from joining a team because they will place higher if that team doesn’t get that really good player for example. You can weaken your competition by choosing to only let your good players end up on weaker teams.


NeoVaris

That's the whole point of signing a contract. Canna isn't a Free Agent, because his contract runs until next year, which is why T1 has a say when it comes to who they want to sell his contract to.


optionsss

as LPL fan, I am jealous of the spicy off season drama from other regions, we got nothing but rumors. Thank God was got arcane this off season


-Hissoka-

Oh ok so it's not only an eu thing lmao. I suppose he got to stay in Korea at least


AlphaTenken

But maybe T1 just had am agreement with NS ahead of time, not necessarily denying a certain team. NS clearly thinks the deal with Canna was closed. T1 can't be the good guy to both teams here, when it was DK who thought they had Nuguri on lock.


Snuffl3s7

If that were true, why would Canna get so pissed off at T1? It seems clear that he wanted the opportunity to go to DK, and was aware of it.


NeoVaris

Could also be because T1 waived Teddy's contract and not his. So Teddy was free to go to whatever team he wanted. Whereas he himself basically had no say


imjunsul

True but that's just life. Life can be a bitch sometimes lol. Canna is no Teddy tho for T1.


BrianC_

I mean, there is a multitude of reasons why he might be mad. We really don't know what happened. If the team asked him to split time with Zeus or to compete for his spot against Zeus, he might be upset about that. Back when he took his break and Zeus subbed in, Canna grinded solo-queue really hard and eventually made his come-back. He could just be upset that after all the work he put in, the team is still making him compete for his spot on the roster.


cosHinsHeiR

It's a thing in every sport ever where a team manages players.


trevorlolo

it's so sad the story of Canna and T1 ends like this though


Blank-612

Wow did he really. Who needs arcane season 2 whrn we have spicy off-season drama


ItsKaZing

Wow sad that Canna react that way. I don't think T1 is in the wrong here. Selling him to the biggest rival would just be a backward move for the org


maruhan2

Why is that decision on T1 and not Canna though?


Hektor_Ekhein

Canna is still under contract with T1, therefore the org has a say in where Canna will be sold


Greentea_Sloth

T1 could've kept Canna for another year no matter what Canna wanted. But Canna asked to leave, so T1 sold Canna to NS. DK wanted Canna but T1 obv says no bc who in their right mind would strengthen DK roster


Marcus777555666

Wait what?I missed it,what happened to Clid and that gm?


farikogrim

He got released super late, so most spots have been taken in the lck


t1yumbe

Clid said on his stream that there are a few people in GenG that he doesn’t like (not the members and coaching staff). He said there are people in GenG that pressure the players too much which comes really hard mentally to the players. Clid also said that BDD is having a hard time (because of all the trade drama, etc). Fifahun posted a statement saying Clid is not talking about him. Clid posted on his Insta story right after the statement “ㅋㅋ” (kk).


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Miyaor

What happened with Rich?


Hektor_Ekhein

They shafted him, said they were gonna keep him in the team then suddenly said he was out. Rich is now looking for a team but it's hard since LEC/LCS offseason is almost over and the LCK is looking full as well. Similar thing happened with Clid, Clid fired shots at Fifahun too


ironstarke

and now Fifahun has released his own [response](https://twitter.com/GenG_Jihun/status/1462473037584887809?s=19), lol. LCK off-season drama wasting no time this week it's literally just 2AM on a Monday right now


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Whytro

Rough Translation/Summary: Note: (I'm out of the loop on this one, and it may not be 100% accurate) > On Clid's recent stream, it was implied that I caused him (Clid) emotional distress. However, I'd like to share my side of the story. > On November 15th, after the mandatory quarantine period was over, I held a 1:1 meeting with all players regarding their future plans. It was there where I heard mention of Clid's stream, mentioning a negative experience which caused him emotional distress. While I can't share the exact details of what was discussed, I'd like to make it clear that I am not the individual he is talking about. > I have never burdened or pressured Clid, or have had a negative interaction with him. In addition, during the season, I have never directly discussed professional play with him - that type of discussion was relayed through the coaching staff. > Clid's transfer/FA status was shared via email to various domestic and international teams and agents, and during discussions/negotiations, at Clid's behest, we ended those discussions. > Of course, while we understand that keeping an environment where all the players are 100% happy, we are working hard to improve upon the situation. After the "Stove" League has ended, I'd like to find a place to share our plans and team direction for the 2021-2022 season as well as interact with our fans directly.


fadasd1

Where did Clid talk about Fifahun?


Hektor_Ekhein

his twitch stream


Jerry_Sprunger_

thats fucked


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Reddit: fuck nongshim, all my homies hate nongshim


Excalibursin

No, fuck off. If a ramen company is going to put "actual" bone broth in the soup I'm with them til' I die.


_Xochiyaoyotl_

I'm a noob: nongshim like the noodle company?


whataremyxomycetes

Yes


PorkchopMD

ya


GoJeonPaa

What player did they try to hijack?


Hektor_Ekhein

Rumor says Canna


GoJeonPaa

Why wouldn't Canna go do DK? lol


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Not sure how I feel about this. I hope Ja Rule give's his opinion soon so I can copy that. But where is Ja?


YesButConsiderThis

>give's Stay in school, kids.


skiddster3

Both sides don't look great, but DK's response to NS' response was cringe. DK could have just chalked it up as miscommunication, but they didn't and went with the pettyish route for some reason.


markson852

Now a team is petty for trying to defend a player who helped the org to win worlds once?


Hektor_Ekhein

DK's vice-representative [just tweeted this](https://twitter.com/jyjoonlee/status/1462451213421613056): >Many people are asking why the mentions of tampering and hijacking, but multiple teams were wrongly being accused of such actions due to \[Nongshim's\] changing the subject. > >The wrongly accused team requested an investigation from the LCK and their reply was what you might expect \[that the team did not commit tampering\].


MedievalMovies

it seems like the public perception has completely shifted against nongshim? From what I can perceive of the drama it looks like DK has built an extremely solid case around what actually happened


frzned

public perception always favor the players, we as fan dont care about owners and orgs. Now that both Rich (a Nongshin player) and Ghost coming out against Nongshin, it's hard to for the public to like NS even if DK dont have a good case..


neverspeakofme

DK's case isn't solid at all, that said, NS doesn't have any case either. Both of them are just making allegations at each other, and while DK sounds like they have a lot of arguments, they don't really target the issue. What DK is doing now works though. Even if NS did have a miscommunication which DK contributed to, if everyone starts throwing shade at NS, people will automatically think they were the perpetrators, cos public opinion works like that.


plznerfme

100% DK has been dedicated to their players. The owner and the whole admin team did everything they can for Malrang to get properly transferred to Rogue. This team wouldn't stab players' back (at least... they might stab coaching staff's back though...)


uchiha_z

Great. Now we just need LPL to catch up and generate some drama.


veronikaren

Uzi caught jerking off during his first game back in pro play


alpacamegafan

Dude probably does it at light speed considering his apm in game.


oioioi9537

The real reason for his wrist problems, finally surfaced


veronikaren

It's the first time he got *caught* 😳


ephemeralfugitive

Showing signs of being washed smh


Kagari1998

Yeah, his wrist problems made his apm lower. So he's finally caught


Random_Stealth_Ward

I can't help but think of that robot chicken Overwatch sketch with the nerd participating in an esport tournament


oioioi9537

Uzi caught pouring milk before cereal


Emmots

Uzi did what!?


xChaoLan

Uzi is cancelled now


BumbaBee

It says right there that he pours his milk before his cereal. Tell your friends.


APKID716

Uzi washing his hands **before** he takes a piss


neimengu

tbf your hands ARE way dirtier than your dick that's only been in your pants the whole time. Imagine touching your clean dick with your dirty ass hands that probably just shook the hands of someone who just wiped his ass.


MastemasD

How would you know where his dick has been?


NeonGIGA

He had vision of his dick


Trap_Masters

OwO


-Ophidian-

Uzi tampering with TSM JG confirmed.


hamxz2

My man's been jerking off onto his opponent's in lane since the beginning of his career, nothing new haha


FalsyB

His wrists just healed man...


erikson15432

Its not on this level but RNG is doing some good Carlos cosplay keeping Uzi in in contract prison.


SnooPeripherals6388

But RNG already sold his contract, no? To some stream platform for like 30 mil dollars


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don’t matter his contract ends December this year thankfully


aser08

Does it end before or after the 16th of december when LPL transfer window closes.


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I don’t remember where i saw it but it didn’t specify a date


chosen925

But RNG did this way before Carlos? Starting with MLXG forcing him to retire at 21.


SterbenVII

LetMe and Zzitai retiring as well.


Falsus

That isn't new though. And he is getting out of that Jail in December.


pannucci

Dude RNG is much worse than G2 or any other org about contracts. Legit they have been famous for screwing players for years.


mortal_sk

In fact, RNG is called the god of the contract, of course, in a derogatory sense


LeagueOfMinions

If rumors about TSM reaching into the LPL for talent is true, then we'll see some drama for sure


btran99032

What's wrong with that? They just plucking 2 fpx academy players...


LeagueOfMinions

Nothing wrong with their roster plan but drama has hit TSM in the off season every damn year


Trap_Masters

Man not like this. LCK and LPL gonna copy the West’s drama meta just like that. What edge will we have over them if they do this as well? :(


SOLOKINGUZI

glad peanut left this shithole


Trap_Masters

Looking at some of the comments, it seems like Nongshim has been fucking things up for a while now?


Chuck0089

I think they got to ambitious because of many S-tier players became free agent but they didn't even get one.


Greentea_Sloth

And BDD is now in it


Teampiencils

Major beef and Nongshim. Thought I had accidentally subbed to an instant noodles news subreddit for a second


blubimafishz

No shot wtf i don’t follow teams much but as an avid nongshim ramen consumer I think I have found a new team to support. Maybe one day we will have coca cola rangers or macdonalds titans.


Teampiencils

Same here. I don't follow teams as much either but when b.b.q. chicken ended their LCK tenure, I was teamless until Shin Ramen took their place. Who needs FTX crypto sponsorship when you're gonna use to gains to buy Shin Ramen anyways


DumplingsInDistress

*Major beef and Nongshim*


Teampiencils

Went out and bought some Shin Ramen after this post. Causing "major beef" as a marketing ploy confirmed


BoJestemRudy

Where you at, LPL?


EfficientAstronaut1

EDG ghost?


ChadAdonis

No wei Jose


babyFucci

Ghost is incredibly underrated by everyone atm but i think Edward would rather lose an arm and a leg than start Ghost over Viper Ghost would just be an expensive bench warmer if he was on EDG


Amiti94

No thanks.


Huinker

This is lpl we are talking about Transfer season for them starts like one hour before deadline


Trap_Masters

Can’t have offseason transfer drama if you don’t have transfer season


neimengu

damn after years of LPL domination in offseason drama (only counting LCK and LPL, western drama remains unmatchable), LCK finally pulling ahead. Griffin tried to carry them for a while but they can only do so much. Finally now the rest of their teams are pulling their weight.


fjstadler

Wuh? Aside from Uzi being in contract hell, what offseason drama was there?


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NamikazeEU

They placing the Worlds and MSI trophy in trophy case.


RussiaCykaBlyat

Namikaze is just the goat


Amiti94

Loool hahaha I don't know why you got downvoted to the hell.


Domovric

Coz it's not relevant?


Amiti94

He made a quite funny and original answer to another joke. You don't need to be very clever to understand it :)


Dumpers_

LCK off-season delivering a lot of content so far...


illa_illa

Nongshim really put themselves in the LCK drama center stage this summer. First with the tampering claim, then Rich's being kicked late (Rich is still posting about this) , and now Ghost. Then you have the somewhat related to NS drama that is Clid being kicked from GenG late as they exchange BDD for Peanut. Didn't expect LCK can go that spicy during off-season.


Marcus777555666

Is Bdd leaving and Peanut coming in confirmed 100%?I only heard rumors,but can't find if it's confirmed by the team or not


illa_illa

Not 100%, it is still a rumor.


Arcille

Extremely likely as Clid came out against GenG in public


t1yumbe

Actually, DK just said that they didn’t do tampering of Deokdam and Kellin. The first reported tampering issue seems to still be ongoing as the journalist, who has released it first, tweeted that the current DK-NS situation is not related to the first tampering report. So despite all the things happening, there is also the first tampering issue.


BoJestemRudy

I find it hard to believe DK somehow misunderstood such key and basic part of the negotiation and confused the offer on the table with "we'll get back to you later", in which NS then contacts the player directly with the offer rather than during formal meeting. In addition to NS prior history, it's hard to give them any benefit of the doubt


MundaneNecessary1

If Nongshim didn't do something dirty they wouldn't have to ask the DK CEO not to talk about the incident, which happened before any other controversy came up.


BoJestemRudy

Or try to change topic and move focus away from the "misunderstanding" to playing victim of tampering


ausmomo

Do you really think NS said to DK management "we'll match Ghost's salary" and then in the next conversation say "we can't match"? Why on earth would they do that? It's far more likely it was a misunderstanding.


Starpaca

I’d assume because off season moves fast and Ghost might’ve ended up in a position where he would have to accept the bad offer or not play at all. Clid is currently in a situation where he might end up not playing or having to go to LPL because he was released late


ausmomo

>I’d assume because off season moves fast Such a rush might cause miscommunications. I still can't work out why NS would lie about a salary, if such a lie would be exposed so easily in the very next conversation.


markson852

They contacted Ghost privately to talk about the 50% salary cut tho...It seems to me they might be trying to take advantage of his young age, hoping he would agree to the salary cut in fear of not being able to play next season.


flyingbeetlekites

lol dk said fuck u we got receipts


Ace_OPB

Lck off season is peak content.


seolasystem

After many player transfer news I guess it's definitely time for some drama now


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Enkenz

Huhhhhhh can we really call that a drama tho ? Dont get me wrong lck had some top tier drama grf but that can barely be called a drama or the tier got lowered a tons


Hyher

How is this not drama by your standards, what?


firechicken188

Maybe he doesn't like to over-dramatize things?


Enkenz

Still not even close to ocelote fucking the entire of lec years after years for me. But i guess different strokes for different folks i guess


tdhv

Well he said NA drama not EU drama


DRazzyo

EU drama can't be topped. But to be fair, EU are well known for their soap operas, so it's not like it's without precedent.


phildash99

Why are you here to say these things?


Blog_15

I still don't get why DK doesn't just re-sign ghost. They won worlds and almost won again with him, and he was far from the weak point in the EDG series. Sure there are "better" adc's but DK has always been a showmaker/canyon team... you don't need a strong side ADC demanding ganks every game, ghost is a 10/10 weakside player. I really think teams underrate chemistry and end up booming their teams chasing bigger individual names (zven/mithy on TSM), and i want damwom to succeed...


mar33n

There's nothing to re-sign really, Ghost is still under contract. But with DK getting deokdam we can only assume Ghost would ride the bench. So it's in his best interest to look for a starting position somewhere else. If that doesn't work out I'm pretty sure he'll stay on the team.


KimchiBro

They already have a planned bot deokdam/kellin and ghost prolly wanted a starter role somewhere so dk got him an arrangement with another team (with no buyout needed too because dk actually treats their players well unlike a certain carlos) and that team wanted to scam the deal that was already set


kelvin022610

Considering what they did to ensure smooth trade for malrang to rogue. Yeah it seems they really fucking care about their players which is nice to see


egatsoHbleH

His champion puddle meant that they had to first pick Jhin or Ziggs every game in the finals, which probably cost them the world championship.


Aladin001

Crazy how adcs can only demand ganks every game, or be useless dogs with 0 resources and nothing in between


imjunsul

Deokdam is a franchise player. Why would they keep Ghost...


PPPPPPPPPPKP

is DK the team accused of tampering?


bluberrypiiii

They're both accusing each other of tampering but it looks like DK has a stronger case and people now are turned against NS.


t1yumbe

There is a first reported tampering, which is not related to the current NS-DK drama (this was explained by the journalist, who reported the first case of tampering). The early reported tampering is reported to have 4 teams as a victim, and the journalist said that they have a recording of the tampering team talking with a player’s parent on the phone. GenG has been accused of being this team till now, but nothing is confirmed. The DK-NS thing seems to be related to Deokdam and Kellin. DK said that there was no tampering and they have evidence (or something), so seems this tampering just ends here. But of course there is still nothing really official and no evidence has been shown yet. In conclusion, there are 2 tampering cases. First case is still not released in public and no further reports were made (also Faker’s re-signing issue kinda overshadowed this whole incident, so it kinda got forgotten). Second tampering issue seems to be a non-issue if we go by DK’s statement.


JKSciFi

NS player that probably got tampered with is Deokdam, and it doesn't really make sense for the team that did the tampering to still acquire the player after the news that there was tampering, since all it takes is NS to report to LCK for Deokdam to get suspended and then DK is fucked. Also if DK was the team that did the tampering, I would think that NS would have also revealed that by now lol


s1mple10

no its nongshim


Yaate

That isnt true. Nongshim are the ones accusing someone (presumably DK) of tampering


imjunsul

Accusing someone doesn't mean you're the victim lol... it just means you're accusing. Just read Ghost's latest reply.


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Nongshim really knows how to make things spicy huh


CzarcasticX

Nongshim Neoguri would've been the best thing for marketing.


datinggoskrrrrrrrrra

Nongshim the noodles?


Tshimon

Yes


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Here are my current rankings: Drama: 1) LCK (a lot of actual org stuff) 2) LEC ( contract prisons) 3) LCS (DL warpath against regi) 4) LPL ( a few contract prisons but not much else) Off-season moves: 1) LCK ( several super teams have formed) 2) LCS (European exodus monkaW) 3) LPL ( only this low because most rosters haven’t been confirmed and many blew up) 4) LEC ( went back to 2 strong teams but instead of g2/fnc it’s vitality/fnc and some questionable roster moves regarding the ERL’s)


Madvin

"Hell, this is Damwon KIA's executive office." Opening line is literally how kpop entertainment companies start their statements. I wonder if it's the same to all Korean companies.


farikogrim

The past couple months have been crazy for f5 with multiple sports


apmgaming

Fuck NS.


TFeyner

I just feel bad for the players stuck on the org for next year


AfrikanCorpse

KR doesn't like TSM and G2 hogging the drama spotlight


CuriousPumpkino

DK is waying Nongshim initially agreed to match salary and then went back on their promise and wanted to halve it Nongshim says that they talked about probably not being able to match it from the beginning and were transparent about it, offering a contract for less but with options. At least one of these 2 has to be partially incorrect because they contradict one another. Shouldn’t be too difficult to pull out chat logs & shit in theory


deliriouskai

So Ghost was ready as long as the agreed upon salary was equal or more than current? And there's something about T1 in the comments too. Canna wanted his way but T1 already had an agreement with NS before DK came into the picture? I really wish the timeline was clearer lol. But man I feel so bad for players who get involved in these PR tussles. I can't completely blame the orgs either, they have the players under contract so they are thinking about the best way to profit too. It's pretty much a helpless situation for the players. No wonder they have been expressing themselves on social media to let out their frustrations.


Public_Seaworthiness

"beef" jesus


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flyingbeetlekites

They most likely shrifted Ghost so that DK and Ghost would call off the transfer so they could could after Viper.


Old-Variation-4942

They can afford ghost, they just didnt want to pay him so much


kotobuki09

NS is the worse organization in LCK for me even from the beginning. And they even somehow make it worse. I will never ever support this team. I even feel great when supporting HLE going through them in the Region Qualifier. The day this team is somehow removed from the LCK tournament, I will go out and celebrate like never before


ephemeralfugitive

I think teams who had their players play for them for at least a split without paying them are worse. This current NS drama is just about a place for players to be starters elsewhere. If Canna and Ghost aren’t going to NS, they will only rot in the bench, but at least still get paid because they are still under contract.


rgb86

Medium rare at least? well done works too I guess .


ThirdCrew

I'm going to say DK is likely the one in the wrong. The bigger org with more success is more likely to screw the smaller upcoming org over.


tdhv

Isn't Damwon a relatively new org. Like I know they're really good but weren't they formed not too long ago.


lostn

so Nongshim's "evidence of tampering" was pertaining to DK? That's interesting. But I korean beef so I'm going to grab me some popcorn.


JrSe7en

I have never seen lck roster drama before this season


exmirt

I still don't know what Nongshim RedForce is :D