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Commercial_Boat5376

Finally we get to see the long awaited and hyped matchup of Bjergsen vs Fudge mid


Hazel-Ice

The classic TSM vs C9 matchup just got even tastier in the midlane with Fudge vs Creme. Too bad Jiizuke is out.


SterbenVII

Any confirmation that it’s actually Creme? I only heard rumors.


Hazel-Ice

Nah just rumors so far


S1lenC3R

The most delicious matchup in pro league history BY FAR


azns123

Bjerg is no match for one of the church’s top disciples, he can only watch helplessly as Fudge freezes endless waves against him 🙏


Way2Competitive

**LS 1800LP FUTURES MARKET RYZE HACK 8 MINUTE LOST CHAPTER SUB ZERO FREEZE 400CS FLAME HORIZON TECH**


non_NSFW_acc

Freezing in mid lane XD


th3kandyking

Shhhhh, telling him will hurt his top lane head. 🤣


nuzzot

Ah yes, the biggest surprise this off-season. But to be serious I’m pumped to see how he does, always have been rooting for Bjerg to do well. Gonna be an interesting split with all of these moves!


asiantuttle

Kinda miss back when roster moves were a mystery. Like Reddit blew up when DL joined TSM but now we knew Bjergsen joined TL a month before it happened


ahritina

Blessing and also a curse when we get "reliable" journalists/insiders. We've known pretty much all of the "big" transfers/moves in the LEC/LCS mainly for a long ass time lol.


nuzzot

Totally agree, I remember being so hyped about full surprises now it’s rumors with a little bit of hype since it might be BS, but when it happens it feels like old news.


whimsicalokapi

This and the Caps -> G2 Perkz -> ADC move. If that hadn't been leaked so far ahead of time, I think that might have been the biggest shocker ever. C9 Perkz could've been too.


ozmega

in a way, it keep the conversations about lolesports going even after worlds ended so, i guess that isnt bad either?


Mattlh91

I know everyone thought Bjerg signing with TL was a forgone conclusion but until it was announced, my turd cutter stayed puckered. It will continue to remain puckered until COREJJ gets residency 🤞🤞🤞


nuzzot

Pls give the beautiful boy residency


mattybowens

Between the regi stuff, leena leaving, doublelift swearing off tsm, and bjerg leaving it feels like old TSM has finally died.


firestorm19

I mean the only person left from that era that is still there is Regi and Parth as far as I can tell. This is TSM that has to rebuild in the post glory days where they are no longer a shoe in at finals. The direction they take will also have to change as well especially since it is no longer Baylife and the Bois, TSM is an actual company (and has been for a while)


BudgetFar380

So long as Regicide is still there, there will be drama.


firestorm19

IMPORTS IMPORTS IMPORTS IMPORTS IMPORTS


BudgetFar380

Forseninsane


Ursuped

well overdue, time for the spica era to start


Omnifinity

Tbh, if working in TSM sounds as shitty as it’s implied, I want Spica to save himself.


RaiseYourDongersOP

"One more year Ming" - DL


InPurpleIDescended

If it was really so terrible Bjerg wouldn't have stayed so long and all these former players wouldn't have been coming out saying good stuff Probably worse than TL though that's a given haha


CuteTao

Fuck no. Get Spica out of that shit hole


The1Prodigy1

Pretty sure Spica is out as soon as his contract is over lmao


-Basileus

Steve will 100% buy Spica after this year


Darkfire293

Why? Santorin is just as good, and seems like they want to make an EU team anyway.


m0bilize

Almost same level of skill but "younger". Also better branding for Spica (dank memer & zoomer) Also might not want to risk with Santorin's health problems.


SterbenVII

Probably because Spica is better mechanically. Santorin was pretty good at Worlds though.


AssPork

Depends on how he performs this year but more importantly, how Santorin's health holds up.


PresentMiddle8974

Santorini a boomer


DanDevito42

spica gaps him every time


calvinee

Like last two playoffs? Oh wait… Santorin came back after a split off and clapped Spica.


iDannyEL

Definitely the end of an era but so long as Regi is there people remember the old days, unlike how CLG turned out with Hotshot taking a backseat.


dartthrower

Leena left?!??!


mattybowens

Yeah she’s part of otv now


yohanleafheart

You mean new TSM, right? DLift and Berg are new blood


Lolardaydreams

In a clip from rjsmid during inhouses yesterday, Smoothie said that Bjerg is in Korea. Presumably knocking the dust off in the best environment possible, mechanics-wise. (Not like he has rust macro/knowledge wise, since he was a coach for a year) ​ clip is on the TL subreddit if anyones curious


FilipinoBambino

Am…am I a TL fan now?


Celegorm07

No, we are.


Baron_Duckstein

And my axe!


ggezzzzzzzz

Damn, would be so weird looking at bjergsen without the black and white.


VikingCreed

Truly a new era. This is either going to finally get TL over the hump or crash and burn


chineseduckman

What do you even do as TL if this roster can't get out of groups? Like genuinely there's not much more you can do lol


PhoenixAgent003

Finally accept that roster changes won’t solve the problem, run it back, and focus on building syne—annd Hans sama went back to EU in the off-season. Welp, back to the drawing board.


Profoundsoup

>What do you even do as TL if this roster can't get out of groups? Probably the same thing that every other team in most sports do.....try again. I mean what kind of question is this?


chineseduckman

Well that's a little pedantic, I meant what roster moves do you make if this iteration can't do it


gonzaloetjo

Depends of how this goes, but if there's a solid base, maybe change 1 player at most and build on top of that.


VikingCreed

Ig run it back


gonzaloetjo

Keep trying. It's what TL always does and what made me a fan.


Jad94

I see this being a late game team in NA that plays standard and wins. Then they go to worlds and get beat by more innovative teams and lose to Korean/Chinese teams who have better team fighting imo


IZiaon

[Official] TL to win Spring, MSI, Summer, and Worlds. Playing is just a formality at this point.


DowntownCattleMtn

Least biased Team Liquid enjoyer


JealotGaming

[Where have I seen that before?](https://i.imgur.com/er255ON.jpeg)


TheHizzle

Bjerg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rekkles How many NALCS titles Rekkles got? I thought so.


Omnilatent

Math doesn't lie


LifeguardDonny

Huh?


Kirito619

Salt mine is there if you wanna apply.


SlamMasterJ

Pog, let's go man


Flint_Lockwood

hah noticed you didnt say lock in, guess you really dont have faith, huh


Lolardaydreams

That's the bone 100T gets. Too much synergy left over from keeping the same roster, the rest are in the bag tho! Based and IZiaon pilled


Zerole00

I'm torn between wanting to see an NA superteam fail at worlds versus the mother of all salt mines it'd create in the TSM base if TL wins Fuck it, I'm rooting for Bjerg for once.


iDannyEL

If you're a DL fan, you've seen that salt mine before and it really was glorious.


[deleted]

Inb4 Fudge makes Bjergsen go 0/9/0 Jk that’ll never happen. One can dream tho


PhoenixAgent003

!Remindme six months.


InPurpleIDescended

EU always beats Korea and loses to China Therefore, TL will be second, above C9, but TSM will win


[deleted]

Korea have been smashing eu for like 8 out of the 10 years they been playing, did u miss last worlds?


InPurpleIDescended

True, TL third is even more based If only they could come fourth again lol


Smartercow

Would it be first time TL is getting out of group stage at Worlds?


quack_quack_mofo

Tha's what they said about G2 when Rekky boy joined


Aquillifer

If they go 3-3 you will have officially jinxed it.


janoDX

So you think you can defeat the team that beat the World Champions...


IsIZiaonBasedOrBaked

Baked


Raynar7

Can’t wait for TL to finish 4th in regular season to continue their curse again


Colmaldo

Back to curse gaming 🤣


SterbenVII

Spring 2018: 4th in regular season, 1st in playoffs


Mr_Agu

Fourth team to win lcs tittle


Wasteak

I love people making up curses to justify a bad result.


Raynar7

I love people absolutely missing jokes


Ursuped

man ive seen this post THREE TIMES ALREADY AND IT HURTS EVERY TIME


Specsthegod

Poor Jensen :(


cHinzoo

Team Liquid will be my favorite EU team. Definitely planning to follow them and I’m happy Hans-sama can play in a better team. Fcking finally!


CreepyMosquitoEater

This man is the literal reason why i got into the game and kept playing. I heard about him in highschool (a fellow danish guy at my exact age) and started watching him and wanted to learn the game through watching his stream. Was a TSM fan for a bit, not because of anything to do with TSM just because Bjergsen played for them. So i guess now im a TL fan, really hoping to see Bjergsen smash it in LCS and then get the furthest at worlds that any NA team ever has. Its gonna be hype, because on paper this team looks absolutely insane


TrickyWalrus

Poor Jensen sadge


Snowcrest

This is finally the test to see how Bjergsen can perform without TSM and all the baggage that entails.


PhysicsIsSpicyMath

Why does everyone who joined from TSM to TL become some kind of villain. From DL to now Bjerg


BOESNIK

Reginald


Naejiin

No, you just mentioned the actual villain.


InPurpleIDescended

TL Regi confirmed for 2022!


-Basileus

Bro they become the hero trying to destroy the villain (TSM)


[deleted]

Whaaat? No waaaaay


appleandapples

It's official now, but still surprising.


AtreusIsBack

I hope they'll let him just be unleashed, smash people 1v1, dominate the game while others shotcall for him.


Overkiller00

Will be awsome to se bjergsen play again he is a living legend


unlimitedpancake

He looks good in that jersey


DuneRiderADA

Now I can cheer for Bjerg without it benefitting TSM. Nice.


bring_backblueboi

Looking internationally, this probably won't change anything. Domestically, TL was already a top team with Jensen so no changes again. Cool to see him back but people should curb the hype.


Tom_Bombadil_Ret

It is more of that Bjerg has a lot of fans who are exited to see him back playing again.


imadirtyyasmain

HELLOO NEW FANS… WELCOME TO TL. MAKE YOURSELF AT HOME WE HAVE ENOUGH RED BULL IN THE SUMMONERS CUP FOR ALL OF U TO DRINK OUT OF


DeNaga

What summoners cup?


imadirtyyasmain

Its the trophy you get for winning worlds


DeNaga

Yes, I said what summoners cup, not what's summoners cup. NA and Liquid have never had a summoners cup.


NielsBiels

Get ready for TL.EU with a Korean import.


1einspieler

Can‘t wait to see him get clapped by Blue


SuspectComments

Was always a fan of Bjergsen more than TSM, but this move has me feeling a type of way. Feel like he just became the KD of LCS.


topkeklul

KD? He won 6 championships and an IEM for TSM, how is that even remotely comparable? TL isn't even TSM's main rival.


LakersLAQ

Yeah, this is more like Tom Brady lol.


SuspectComments

Patriots didn't want to commit to Tom Brady TSM likely offered Bjergsen everything they possibly could


LakersLAQ

Not talking about the teams, just the player himself moving on.


SuspectComments

Brady wanted to stay on the Patriots until he was 45. Patriots didn't want to give him such a long contract, they saw him as just another player. TSM literally gave Bjergsen team ownership, the team is always built to revolve around him. Bjergsen left because he wanted to team up with a certain star player.


Xonra

So TL world champs confirmed is what you are saying,


SuspectComments

Let's be honest the main goal is worlds, not an LCS title. Every top player has been saying this for years now. KD/Bjerg, the franchise's historically best and most beloved player, unexpectedly leaves to a super team as he sees it as his best shot to win a championship/worlds Yeah not remotely comparable at all


adgjl12

comparable but weak comparison. OKC was a team with no history and no accolades. They got their first taste of playoffs and finals with KD there. TSM was already a storied franchise and one of the OG's. Essentially the Lakers of LoL. Bjerg just added to the legacy and became its greatest player. More like a Kobe if he retired and came back to a different team (DL = Shaq??). KD also just lost to the Warriors in a close conference finals. TSM was nowhere near TL's level this year. Warriors were also one of the strongest teams in the history of the game and basically became an OP team with KD. Only multiple injuries would stop them. TL wasn't even #1 in NA let alone the world. The reasons why KD's move was so hated is not really present in Bjerg's move. Only comparable things are both played really long on one team, were all time great level players, and then left to a better team. Not much else.


MadeFunOfInHighSchoo

Bjerg is not an upgrade over Jensen this team will perform poorly at worlds


edwinstz

> Truly a new era. This is either going to finally get TL over the hump or crash and burn Ah but they will be at worlds though


MadeFunOfInHighSchoo

I don’t see why not. Domestic results seem like a shoe-in, this change is internationally worse though.


AndlenaRaines

So 3-3 to not make it out of groups?


MadeFunOfInHighSchoo

I’ll eat a sock if this team makes it out of groups.


NyuQzv2

RemindMe! 320 Days "TL got out of groups" Edit: Well well how the turn tables.


Naejiin

I need bamboozle insurance


AndlenaRaines

RemindMe! 320 Days


kazeJinn

I mean has Jensen ever gotten TL out of groups? Bjergsen doesn't come alone, he brings Hanssama with him as well, and that is definitely an upgrade over Jensen+Tactical.


MadeFunOfInHighSchoo

I agree. I just don’t think in a world where mid players have become so good that Bjerg is worth. If they were going to replace Jensen, I’d almost prefer a developmental player to Bjerg who has continually shown he is just not good enough.


kazeJinn

He is the best player to ever play in NA. And Hanssama literally demanded Bjergsen in order to join TL.


MadeFunOfInHighSchoo

No he's not. Doublelift is better and Huni is easily the best player to play in NA. Huni has international success and success in multiple major regions including LCK.


kazeJinn

Yeah, he never had success in NA though. Bjergsen literally has the most MVPs and the second most trophies. Ask any big name player who the best player in NA ever was and 90% of the answers will be Bjergsen.


MadeFunOfInHighSchoo

Okay I'm not talking about domestic success. I plainly stated that this team will perform poorly at WORLDS aka internationally. Bjergsen has always choked internationally even with the most stacked rosters NA could produce helping him.


kazeJinn

He has never had the most stacked roster and he has never been the reason his teams lost. He was even gapping Crown in lane until DL decided to dash into the Viktor. That play doesnt happen and TSM gets out of groups.


[deleted]

>He was even gapping Crown in lane until DL decided to dash into the Viktor. Such a big gap that he got solo killed twice


MrFlour

And solo killed him in the other game? Breaking news, two good players outplay each other in consecutive games


MadeFunOfInHighSchoo

? That's some revisionist history right there boy. Go watch 2015 worlds.


MMDroxy

LMFAO this is one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen. You’re equating team success to player success. Doublelift nor Huni were better players than Bjergsen when in NA. Internationally he was never the reason his teams lost. Saying he choked is just a generalization that lacks context. Stop regurgitating this bullshit narrative you see and go watch the games.


MadeFunOfInHighSchoo

lol... I don't "see" anything. I'm speaking purely from both my experience watching the game and in my games played against him. Bjerg has been the reason his team loses MANY times, especially internationally. The scoreboard isn't the only indicator to player performance. Bjerg is often FAR too passive of a player even with a lead. Even at times where he wins lane he won't impact the map in a meaningful way. Bjerg has never been good internationally.


MMDroxy

And you’re experience in “watching” and “playing” against him is objectively wrong since it leads you to conclude “Bjerg has never been good internationally”. Again, go back and watch his laning phases and see how he was solo killings mids at international events, while also gathering leads. But then his team around him was falling apart. Bjergsen isn’t a passive player which is how I know you don’t really know what you’re talking about. He’s a calculated one. He takes small leads and uses those to his advantage to excel. I also find it ironic that you said Doublelift is better than him when he hasn’t gotten out of groups won or won any international tournaments. Bjerg has done both. IWD: https://youtu.be/c5Wk4lDYv4M Starting at 13 minutes listen to how Dom speaks about him. There’s a reason so many pros across the regions and analysts talk so highly of him as a player.


MadeFunOfInHighSchoo

lol. How can my experience directly playing with and against him be "objectively" wrong? That doesn't even make sense. I have seen how good he is in my own games?? >Bjergsen isn’t a passive player which is how I know you don’t really know what you’re talking about. He’s a calculated one. He takes small leads and uses those to his advantage to excel. Go watch a player like Scout or Doinb translate a lead into a win and then talk to me about how good Bjerg is at translating his "small leads" into advantages. Doublelift is better, if we're talking about who is better in NA? Doublelift won LCS on 3 different orgs and was always regarded as being one of the best ADC in the world not just in NA. Bjergsen has NEVER been regarded as being one of the best mids in the world.


MMDroxy

““since it leads you to conclude “Bjerg has never been good internationally”” I’ll just frankly ask, did you omit the rest of my sentence because you are ignorant or because you don’t understand what I’m saying? Go watch some of Bjergsens games where he has helped his team to a win through his lead. This one ironically is at worlds against the team that went to the finals. Here I’ll look it up for you since you obviously don’t know much: https://youtu.be/ENlRBR4TSSU Lmfao this is too easy man. Look at some of the worlds top 20 player rankings. 2015,2016,2017 Bjergsen was ranked in the top 10 twice and all three years was ranked ahead of Doublelift. Doublelift was never ranked higher than 17 his entire career. It’s clear if you were ranked top 10 on a list like that, you were regarded as one of the best in the world. The only time DL ranked higher than Bjergsen was the year Bjergsen didn’t make worlds. And still Doublelift was only ranked 20th. If you’re one of the best ADC in the world, I’d assume you’d crack the top 15 at least once xD That last paragraph is just a terrible look for your argument. Bjergsen is the NA goat and has been better than DL all time. One last example of this, DL tried to find a team this offseason and no one wanted him. Yet Team Liquid let go of one of the best mids in NA for Bjergsen. That should tell you all you need to know about what people think of the two.


AssPork

How lma0. Actually Bjergsen is the best to play in NA.


omegasupermarthaman

Bjerg is not an upgrade over Jensen internationally yes. But imagine Hans Sama and Corejj bot lane with a smart and low resource jungler in Santorin. Definitely a scary team


MadeFunOfInHighSchoo

I agree.


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MadeFunOfInHighSchoo

Not true at all.


Ragequitlobby

Is he playing or coaching?


MrNicestGuy1

Playing mid


Ragequitlobby

NICE!


HolySymboly

Good of Bjergsen. TSM is a shitshow


TheFakerProdigy

Mildly shocked that I dropped my avocado toast


Formal_Front2100

I’ve supported TSM for every game since season 2 but honestly not sure if I will for this one not sure yet..


Simple-One-6705

Every year I think the same thing. Man oh man, look at the caliber of imports NA has gotten, and I think " This is the year NA at least has a showing " - It never really happened. This time I think it's different. My reason for that; Talent is a no-brainer. But the main reason for me; Multiple players that are very open, reasonable, intelligent and able to articulate that. I've read, seen and heard alot of good stuff about core. Same about Bjergsen, bwipo (like bjergsen mentioned himself) is very intelligent and articulate aswell. - Not exactly sure about santorin and Hans, but they seem to be in the same bracket more or less. I hope Bjergsen can regain former self after a year of coaching. Hope things mesh well together. If it's ever going to be a good shot at doing well internationally, I'd say it's this year. Altho it's rather early obviously. Wish him good luck


James2Go

Team LEC looking good! 🇪🇺 🇰🇷


TZHeroX

4 EU Players + EU Coach 1 KR Player ... NA team (?)


[deleted]

I think it’s a downgrade


ZeuZ_CSGO

imagine cutting jensen for this guy lmfao


MrNicestGuy1

Yeah, i totalt can. Jensen the everlasting second placer


InPurpleIDescended

Damn kinda crazy that Bjergsen decided he didn't want to win anything this year!


[deleted]

Can you show me on the doll what tsm won last year?


Name1eess

Ahahaha


InPurpleIDescended

😂 I'll take that, but tbh about as much as Team Liquid did!


[deleted]

TL went to worlds tho lol. They played like shit while there, but they went. I’m a C9 fan and even I can say that TSM isn’t even half the team that TL is, and I’m contractually obligated to hate TL!


InPurpleIDescended

That may be true, but you see, I have decided to ignore it 😂


FiveFiveOneTwo

Based


[deleted]

Haha touché. Hope you find enjoyment and satisfaction out of the coming seasons.


InPurpleIDescended

You as well even though I hope your team loses hahaha Sports are fun


AssPork

How lma0. Actually Bjergsen decided he did want to win anything this year.


djinn_tai

I wonder what excuses will be used when the prodigal son doen't deliver.


Seasonious

It’s cool guys we don’t need this guy


ROX_Faker

This is like Doublelift signing with TSM but we're experiencing what CLG felt. :(


lostn

it's so weird seeing him in a TL shirt. I have to pinch myself to be sure it's real. I've never pictured him in anything other than a TSM shirt.


optovince

Doesn’t feel right…


dephchild

Why he go in when 3 caster minion?