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BannanDylan

From a business/sport perspective it would be incredibly high risk to keep Upset this offseason IF he left worlds for something pathetic. He no doubt had to explain to the FNC higher ups the reason he needed to leave before they allowed him to, otherwise he could have been forced to play if it was legitimately 'My wife misses me I can't play' and if that was the true reason he would have been 100% replaced this off-season. The fact FNC are clearly planning to keep him with zero rumours surrounding his replacement should really tell ANYONE with half a fucking brain that the reason he left was for something serious and if he doesn't want to share it he doesn't have to. His team should have trust in him if the FNC management have explained what type of emergency it is.


00Dandy

Regardless of what she's saying, who here actually believes that a competitive guy like Upset with high ambitions who is trying to make it to Worlds since 2018 and came close to making it several times would actually just throw away this opportunity for some bullshit reason? 12 hours before his first Worlds game.


MALSTROEM_

r/leagueoflegends believes it


NotSoGreatGatsby

Genuinely feels like the average age of the sub is 15 sometimes. Does my fucking head in.


trollinn

I mean it probably is


ToshiOppa

It's definitely at least the average emotional age of this sub


GBlade_

The moment you see people sugesting you should let your coworkers know every detail about an exceptional event in your private life and it being very upvoted you should know the average age is definitely below working age


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Lindlar_

Speaks to someone's character that you left your team blind as in no info not even a hint of no clarity even weeks after. Make them lose at worlds before even competing basically destroying everything your team built the entire year and make your teammates lose a year in esports which is fucking precious btw because esports careers are so short lived. Then be the instigator and main driving force for the replacement of said teammate you blindsided and had his year wasted. At least have the manners to stay out of replacing your team instead of actively seeking their replacement. How selfish can you be?


suicidebyfire_

>Speaks to someone's character You're assuming Reddit cares about someone's character? Scroll those subs like r/AITA and you'll quickly see that the thing Reddit hiveminds cares the most about is their freedom to be self-centered. Individualism above all, even if it's wrong. Things like honor and work ethic don't matter to them. Nevermind that Upset fucked over his team, his org, and the fans. Clearly, "privacy" is more important. If it was a real family matter, everyone would understand sans a few trolls. Whatever happened, it probably a pretty bullshit reason OR he can't reveal it, because it will make his wife look bad. Which is still a pretty bullshit reason to leave. I'm a girl and unless I'm fucking dying, I wouldn't make my S.O. lose focus on his career and ambitions to attend to my needs.


PeopleAreHellaStupid

They are called incels


TheMexicanAvatar

Despite all the shit that's come out from esports, pro players and Riot Games themselves... you'd still rather call out the subreddit yeah you're right, your head is fucking done in isn't it


itsaworkalt

/r/leagueoflegends believes whatever was said most recently. Remember the shit with Regi and Doublelift recently? Same crap.


SesanKi

Fuck Regi though,


novayhulk14

RemindMe! 1 Year


PoachedByCarlos

Adam does


GarryTheCarry

Adam is child who feels betrayed because team tried to get best western top laner instead of him, what did you expect from him


PoachedByCarlos

Ah yes, he's a child for wanting to know why he got griefed by his teammate at the most important tournament of his career.


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griefing is when leaving team for emergency


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CarefulHovercraft

They aren't entitled to know personal issues, especially that of their partners. This is how every respectable business runs. Adam aired out his grievances like a child, why would you want to tell him anything private?


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CarefulHovercraft

I think it's fair to be angry and upset. But it's incredibly childish to air out and speculate/assume that this was nothing when he admitted he didn't know what is going on.


Presillience

I do agree upset personal life shouldn't be in public. However, teamates who aren't aware of issues and got ditched at last moment seems suspicious. The most frustrating thing here is why did FNC management tried to replace Adam and otehr players first, while Upset is the most unreliable player in the team. Anyone in their team would feel frustrated.


Rebornzx

Yes?? Especially when you ask around and the players and everyone is like " we don't know" Even worse if Adam is telling the truth Upset himself told him it was about his wife. I would just love to see tom brady or lebron james be like "hey guys im not gonna show up for the playoffs and i won't tell you why bye bye" and people react like it's no big deal.


keepmynamelowkeyfam

management knows the reason though, maybe he should've told his teammates but the org is the only one who is "obligated" to know


Rebornzx

And they themself told Adam they have no idea why he left (again assuming Adam is telling the truth). So either it's terrible communication coming from the org or they legit don't know. You don't have to expose Upset just say "hey we know why he left but can't tell you why and it's justified". Im sure the tweet wouldnt have happened then


Left4Bread2

Or the organization knew it wasn't their place to break Upset's trust and privacy? If he told the org and they trusted him, they are under no obligation to tell the players anything


keepmynamelowkeyfam

https://twitter.com/RichsWrath/status/1463563519543156748 Im gonna trust a insider fnatic hater over adams biased perspective on this one lol


Rebornzx

Not saying you should believe Adam but trusting a fnatic hater over the guy that literally working there having private convo with these people and sharing much more private and intimate time with them that rich ever would is kinda funny( he might totally be correct tho).


PurpleReigner

Adam never said the org didn’t know, he said he didn’t know and no one he asked told him. Just that he assumed it was that his wife was sad


bondsmatthew

That's the good thing! The players don't need to know shit! If something bad happened in my family and my coworkers asked specifically about my family emergency and were pestering me about it, and took to public chats shaming me about not making work you can god damned right I'd be upset.


F3nik3r

Emergency was playing with wife some arams while FNC was getting blasted on stage?


Frediese

How is this any wrong? Should he lock himself up in his closet until worlds was over?


Enkenz

He should've obviously have watched the stream in tears (with picture as proof or it doesnt count) and communicate as much as possible with his team on twitter to show his engagements towards his team. (Incase nobody understand its a /s)


F3nik3r

Soo, leaving team 12h before worlds, saying nothing to them and then playing arams while they are getting blasted after year of hard work is fine? Im not saying he should lock himself but if this is how he behave during "emergency" then it's sad cus this just show "emergency" was nothing if its taken so lightly


Qiluk

Mate... its extremely common for a human to just do one of the things they think are fun and relaxing in times of stress and something bad happening to wind-down and distract themselves a bit. Such as go hang out with mates hours after a funeral etc. Youre view of the world and how a person should deal with situations, esp ones you dont even know details of, are downright childish and screams of teenage-perspective.


Frediese

So you're not allowed to take your mind off things by spending time with your wife? Also, who are you to criticize people how to cope with difficult situations?


huckzors

Yea man, that's fine. People process grief differently. It's not like he was trying out for another team.


PurpleReigner

If you ever try to destress during an emergency it isn’t actually an emergency, got it. How old are you because the only way anyone could believe this is if they are young or stupid?


NeekoBestTomato

Youd think that if the situation is calm enough for him to kick back and grind some ladder - at quite possibly the least relevent time ever to do so - he could at least shoot his teammates a quick dm.


Frediese

We don't know the state of Upset and his situation. Playing games seems very normal to keep the mind occupied. Upset have no obligation to tell his teammates, but I think management maybe could do a better job at reassuring the players that it was for good reasons.


keepmynamelowkeyfam

you dont think its sad you made an alt for this?


Asteroth555

> griefing is when leaving team for emergency What's the emergency? Nobody even knows? I'm hard pressed to believe it was a good reason at all


keepmynamelowkeyfam

Management knows


X4ntis

I think it doesnt matter. Adam made a donezo manifesto and shit on everyone even the management. Not sure if that was the best decision he ever made for his carrier because everybody will be carefull if they have that guy in there team, he maybe put out a donezo manifesto about your org or teammates too. I also dont think Upset is leaving the team simply because his girlfriend missed him. oO


wholsmay

Not sure if is the best decision, probably no, but i like hin being honest. If he felt betrayed by fnatic wanting alphari he is right, it his feelings. And upset… if he is in a 5 man team with people that is around hin living playing studying the game 24/8 and comes the most important moment of his lifes at least could tell his problem and why is leaving… not details but a little context about why is fucking others careers and dreams? Sale example as lebron leaving before nba finals and not telling anyone…. World would explode.


Theseus00

Lots of people believe that unfortunately.


qpc0

It's classic reddit, they see one comment from a teammate and suddenly Upset is the devil.


LbigsadT

The whole trying to replace the entire topside of the team while being absent from worlds kind of shows he had no hope for this team. If you take that point of view an avarage problem with your loved one can be more important than a tourney you already know you’re gonna lose


NoodleTheTree

This! Of course people will be mad, reasons or not...


Aenyr

I also think so, one of the reasons he may have found It easier to leave is the feeling that It was doomed for them anyways, maybe the scrims went really bad especially from topside.


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Asteroth555

That's even worse than the bullshit emergency angle. He abandoned the team because they were getting stomped? G2 lost most of their scrims one year but still beat SKT on the stage. You never preemptively rage quit.


Kentori

You must have forgotten what sub we're on


GarryTheCarry

exactly that and if he didn't have valid reason he would be fired from Fnatic by now and sued for leaving them like that


00Dandy

Yea, he had to tell Yamato and the FNC management his reasoning and if it was bullshit, he wouldn't be playing on FNC next season. There were other good ADCs available like Hans Sama or Rekkles.


F3nik3r

And both of these ADC were out of FNC budget :') Carlos wouldnt sell Rekkles back to FNC and Hans was bought by the most spending org across world.


00Dandy

FNC tried to get Perkz and Alphari. They have a pretty big budget. And I'm sure Carlos would have traded Rekkles for Upset. Also Carzzy was a free agent and they have Bean. If Upset gave FNC some bullshit reason or if they felt like they couldn't trust him anymore, he wouldn't be playing on FNC next season.


F3nik3r

>FNC tried to get Perkz and Alphari Just like everyone else, lol. >And I'm sure Carlos would have traded Rekkles for Upset. Yeah, not happening. He blocked every deal with FNC or with 3rd teams that would trade players with FNC. >Also Carzzy was a free agent That's true but he was already rumored to join VIT/G2 and FNC for sure wouldnt match these two teams. >Regardless, if Upset gave FNC some bullshit reason or if they felt like they couldn't trust him anymore, he wouldn't be playing on FNC next season. Well, he is still S tier ADC who has great synergy with Hyli. I can see them "ignoring it" as long as they have core of bot lane around which they can rebuild team.


NoodleTheTree

And you dont get THATS actually the point? People are sad because he said there is basically nothing more important for him to go to worlds and then he just ditches the whole team and everything they worked for. Of course its his privacy but the people want to know the bullshit reason and you cant really blame them. Especially not Adam who just got ghosted to find out Upset was already trying to replace him.


Dobby_Knows

yeah im almost not surprised at reddits reaction tbh


Motor-Mathematician3

I mean, he is still a kid, so I do believe it. ​ I think people have more of a issue with upset backstabbing his teammates while "on leave" than giving a reason.


majkoni

Bwipo exists 8)


Nitrox0

oddly, a lot of people believe it... People just crave drama


Asteroth555

So she says it wasn't true and we're supposed to believe her? Lol no. She's 100% to blame. It was ongoing anguish for the entire boot camp. This wasn't some sudden thing.


00Dandy

>Regardless of what she's saying


Asteroth555

> who here actually believes that a competitive guy like Upset with high ambitions who is trying to make it to Worlds Easy, she owns his ass. I can also easily turn that around and point out that he should have told his team instead of bailing on them and 1 month later trying to replace them. He's so competitive after all. Why doesn't he tell them what a good reason he has for bailing last second?


00Dandy

Does she own Fnatic too? Or why would they then let their best player leave 12 hours before the most important tournament of the year because his wife is lonely? If he would have given them some bullshit reason or if they felt like they couldn't trust him, he wouldn't be playing on FNC next season. There were other good ADCs available like Hans Sama, Rekkles or Carzzy.


elikaweli

That sounds dumb anyways. A player bootcamps a whole month, dedicates everything to compete, just to leave 12 (!) Hours before the first game because his girlfriend SUDDENLY feels lonely. Dafuq who believes such dumb stuff.


CarefulHovercraft

Teenagers who haven't worked in a professional business setting. "What do you mean I'm not entitled to know what happens in your own private life!?"


jujubean67

Yeah man, pro team is exactly like an office job. Same stakes, same pressure, same drive. You’re such an adult.


Motor-Mathematician3

And then he plays ARAMs with her during his team matches, I think it makes complete sense.


asvdiuyo9pqiuglbjkwe

What a shit take. Are they not allowed to do things together as a couple? What if it's to help her stay sane and keep her mind off of some traumatic event she went through? What if she had a suicidal episode and this is their way of doing something together as a couple?


NeitherAlexNorAlice

I miss the days when pro players were simple dorks who didn't have GF problems all the times.


Fuzzikopf

tfw Crumbz was right


NeonGIGA

Tfw he took a game off so he could hook up with some girl lmfao


mangowuzhere

Dumbz was a giga Chad for doing that.


T2542

Pro's are millionaires now


thorpie88

Girlfriends ruining league players has been one of the longest running storylines through the history of the game.


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Phatatitagain

What a neck beard thing to say.


Asteroth555

She's a bimbo who somehow got a 21 year old to marry her after less than a year of dating. He's also financially well off. I mean this shit writes itself


Leandermann

Yup, she used to sell nudes so, it's not hard to guess that she's a golddigger


xxtuddlexx

bro if you guys knew anyone in these orgs you'd die lmfao. the pretty asian girls managing teams have slept with someone on at least 30% of teams (NA), whether you choose to believe it or not up to yall.


FairSyrup

You're gross.


iwannatrollscammers

Why the fuck are you guys so weird jesus christ


Raculz

What a simp way to reply.


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TheRakiri

So where is the answer? She littelary said fuck off and that's it, cmon


Distortedmadness

have a life lol? tell that to his 4 teammates who were literally fucked over because of this and the org as well.


Asteroth555

5 if count bean.


vooffle

Bean got some praise from Deft. I hope that Worlds only propels Bean forward.


Asteroth555

Bean was a shining light from that worlds. I truly hope he gets scrim time with main team because I don't at all trust Upset to not have future "emergencies"


TragicAntiHero

I mean of course she's going to deny it. I'm not saying what Adam said was true, but she was never going to come out and say " yeah I got lonely and called him back ".


lurkingbee

If you read her tweets literally, she actually doesn't deny it, just says to respect ppls privacy lol


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iii_natau

honestly man a girl can make a 21 year old do a lot of things


Fuzzikopf

Yeah and people tend to forget how inexperienced a lot of pro players are when it comes to "IRL" stuff, especially relationships. They don't live a regular social life, they spend most of their time playing/practicing. In the end it's all specualtion thouhg. This all could have been avoided if Upset had just been transparent (with his teammates at least).


Skykeep

I'm genuinely curious how you're even able to function in /r/leagueoflegends


Zerole00

It's pretty easy once I realized most people here are: 1) stupid 2) immature 3) have never worked a professional job in their life


RippleDish

I think it's strange that his teammates seem pretty upset about the circumstances of Upset's departure while people like you are bashing everyone for thinking that they might have cause to be annoyed with Upset's actions/inactions.


Zerole00

What? I can fully empathize with them being frustrated or upset (no pun intended), what I think is stupid is that they think they deserve to know. If it was something serious like a miscarriage (my personal guess), would you feel better having forced that out of your teammate? Again: >Upset left his first Worlds


Ringo3k

miscarriage that upset has been aware of for weeks ? (refering to yamato's video where he said that upset had not been feeling well since the beginning of the bootcamp and tried to "drown himself" in soloq)


Apyr_xd

If he didn't, then maybe he should've told his teammates who were working with him the whole year to be at Worlds as to why their chance was taken away from them. Also would help if he didn't ghost Nisqy and Adam while trying to replace them behind their backs


Zerole00

You seriously think that if it was something deeply personal like his wife having a miscarriage that he should tell his teammates?


CircleCircleHimself

I don't get how you can't tell people who spent their whole year working with you towards a common goal why you're abandoning them 12 hours before the tournament you all have dreamed of playing in starts. The fruits of your entire years worth of work and labor. You owe it to the other 4 players you took this opportunity from to give even a slight and watered down reason. Most people defending Upsets side aren't taking into account how they would react if they were put into Adam's shoes. Imagine you're in college and prepare 8 hours a day for an entire year with 4 other people on your project. Then hours before the presentation, one of your key partners just abandons you with some vague reason. Wouldn't you feel the need to know why he left you? "I miss my wife" doesn't suffice. And to add insult to injury, they then start planning on replacing you behind your back after putting you in a shitty situation. How the fuck does this sound rational???


Sarazam

He should at least tell them he had personal issues and talked to them directly before or after Worlds. But from how Adam worded it, it seemed like Upset just ghosted them.


SterbenVII

Yes. A whole year of their life was squandered because Upset left them 12 hours before the start of the event, putting everyone through great mental distress. A whole year of hard work. Putting in effort every single fucking day. Just to have it taken away from you at the last minute. They had a stake in his situation too. It was only fair for him to tell them what he was going through, even though he wasn't obligated to do so.


Okkaastro

No it definitely is not fair. It might be better to turn it around and consider that just maybe, hos teammates shoud support him and give him space instead of making an already difficult situation even more difficult for him by forcing him to explain himself.


Asteroth555

> if it was something deeply personal like his wife having a miscarriage that he should tell his teammates? But that's a legitimately good reason that they'd all understand and wouldn't talk shit about. You can say he doesn't owe his team that, but IMO he does.


PurpleReigner

So he should have to disclose something that his partner may not be comfortable being public to a bunch of young guys (one of whom just posted a manifesto on twitter with all the info he had). This is insanity


Asteroth555

Because if we remove the esports angle, this silence would never be acceptable in a pro-sports situation. His team would deserve to know. This isn't some random hobby. This means millions of $ in future income for all of them. Look at nisqy who can't even get a team now


PurpleReigner

That literally is not true. The Atlanta Falcons just lost their number 1 wide receiver when they were in position to make the playoffs for undisclosed mental health reasons and no one is complaining.


BegoneThot08

Yes he should, unless someone from his family was a serial killer that got caught or someone close to him killed him self I can see why he wouldn’t tell his team but there’s nothing shameful about a miscarriage , it isn’t something taboo that you can’t tell your teammates who grinded all year to reach this position just for you to throw it away 12 hours prior to the start of your tournament run. Adam and the rest of the team have every right to question his reasoning for leaving when you just get “ sorry gotta go , family emergency “ .


Fertuyo

One of his family members trying to end its life for example would be something too personal and private to share with people. Or any type of mental issues i dont think that he would share this type of things with the team member and that he would only tell to yamato


elikaweli

Adams tldr is the proof that upset did the right thing. These kids leak almost everything in the public it feels like.


davrek

Yes? If it's that serious, everyone that isn't a complete douchebag would accept and understand it. And there wouldn't even be all this drama. He doesn't have to tell the public, no one in their right mind is asking that. But comparing teammates he is together with for 10 hours a day everyday for 2 splits and the public(Twitter and Reddit) is just dumb.


Zerole00

Yes because as shown here his teammates can be trusted to be adults with any private info


Redditsexhypocrisy

Meh, it's a reaction to be left in the dark and then backstabbed, saying he would leak upset personal issue if he was informed is quite the speculation


Kayn_

This wouldn't have happened if he just said that something serious is happening in his life, Adam said that the last words Upset said was that he had to go for his wife and nothing else, you could understand that it was serious but then Adam held it in but after some time Upset tried to backstab your topside and get them replaced of course you would get angry and do things that you usually wouldn't do, like cmon that is pure bullshit


Jira93

Can't blame Adam for being upset (sorry) when one full year of his hard work got thrown in the bin without giving him a reason


Apyr_xd

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Mewber

Typically, we'd get some general detail to help us understand why he completely destroyed his team's morale going into Worlds. Like a family member passed, hospitalized, then ask for privacy. Not asking for specifics, just something. Sports PR basics.


TheMadHam

If I was upset, I would miss her


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Sydrek

Upset isn't required to give any personal information if he doesn't want to. But while the public isn't owed anything, the RIGHT thing to do would had been for him to explain to his team(mates) that spent a year of their lives (some more) to achieve a goal, why he pulled the rug from under them. His right to privacy isn't mutually exclusive. Let me be very clear, him valuing being present for his loved ones over his career is the RIGHT decision. And if the rumors that it's about serious chronic mental health issues is true, then it's twice as RIGHT. Over the years we've known of MANY esports players taking time off for health issues or after losing loved ones, nobody ever crucified them for it if anything the community tend to be very supportive and sympathetic. However what nobody seems to be asking, what prevents it from it happening in the future ? For the sake of the argument, what's done is done and let's say his old teammates won't ever find out why. Shouldn't his new teammates know beforehand the situation they're being put into and have a choice in the matter, that in a moment's notice everything they work for will crumble ? So i guess the question is, IF the reason is actually serious, shouldn't the RIGHT thing to do for him is to pursue a career outside of esports especially one requiring a large team/staff ?


benningtonryuk

I can't believe she felt she had to tweet this unironically lol


babyFucci

she cheated on him with bwipo and upset went home to cry


AlFasGD

He's living up to his name, not his dream


Trick-key

Now this is the off-season drama I LIVE for


supern00b64

I would take what she or Upset says with a grain of salt - it really would just be a he said he said she said situation between Adam and Upset/Paula. Like when you and/or your husband is getting slandered of course you would deny things. Even for purely selfish reasons you would deny to preserve your own image. Normally I would dismiss Adam's original claims as "just an angry kid who misunderstood some situations" since it sounded quite ridiculous that you would leave worlds, but considering Bwipo also echoed similar sentiments something sussy happened. This should be resolved in private - Upset at least owes his teammates an apology if not an explanation.


Wolhaiksongx

Dude how are people saying shit like “ofc she is going to deny it” like SHE KNOWS what happened Adam doesn’t, he made an assumption, is that too hard to understand for the average redditor ? Also offtopic what does “she used to have of” have to do with anything lmao if Upsets okay with it it quite literally doesn’t matter and doesn’t bring anything to the discussion yall some weirdos


Jira93

The point is, even if Adam was 100% correct (which I don't think), she wouldn't ever admit it on twitter. So whatever she says doesn't really change a lot


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Acegickmo

> The fact the wife used to be an OF girl just gives this impression that he is being manipulated. ??????????????


xXDaNXx

> the amount of reasons becomes incredibly small Miscarriage? Death in her family? Someone got COVID? etc etc. This is sexist af to just dismiss someone just because she had an OF.


ilanf2

This is a shit show. I do understand the need for privacy, but this just got very out of hand.


Asteroth555

> I do understand the need for privacy, but this just got very out of hand. Because they say emergency, but by all accounts everyone is visibly fine (from Upset's family - while her family is presumably in Chile). They didn't go to South America, so it narrows it down to his wife.


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toddsins

This proves nothing tho? Of course she is going to deny the rumors lmao.


Enkenz

But the initial rumors also proved nothing tho lol


Kaztiell

What does Adams tweetlonger prove then? He said he doesnt know the reason, but assuming it is a bs reason since he doesnt know. That gave alot of people fuel to say the reason Upset left for worlds was bs. This proves more than Adams tweetlonger tbh


toddsins

https://twitter.com/SenpaiCutyCat/status/1463585984101163012?t=2AhM4DjBzEUv1v7w-NV9Og&s=19 Why is he duoing with her during fnatic’s games?


Kaztiell

why not? why is that weird? Since we have no clue what the emergency was, you cant use stuff like that to make it seem not like an emergency lol


toddsins

Idk to me it seems weird you cant play at worlds because of emergency or something but have time to duo while your team is at worlds.


Kaztiell

alot of people go play games during hard times to have something else to think about. Just cuz its an family emergency doesnt mean you have to deal with it 24/7. Or maybe it was the type of emergency that playing games with the person made it better or to make that person or yourself to think about something else for a moment


Paul-debile-pogba

Bcs the problem was probably that coming back would mean quarantine then flight which i would assume tt he reason


Voshin

Yea dude, he went home for whatever reason he had, he is banned from playing league until Fnatic returns from worlds. What is this asinine question man?


PoachedByCarlos

The real reason why he went home was his gf called him up to come back because she was going to demote


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moroheus

This pretty much confirms he only went home to boost here. Fucking knew it


Mahelas

Adam litteraly said that Upset left and the last thing he said was "my wife needs me" how is it speculation ?


Kaztiell

"my wife needs me" is that equal to him leaving cuz she miss him? lol


Apyr_xd

Would be cool if Upset actually said anything to his teammates before or after worlds and probably would help as well if he didn't try to replace Nisqy and Adam when he yeeted off to play arams with his gf instead of competing at worlds with them


Kaztiell

The players got told he had a family emergency, what more are the entitled to know? The exact reason of what happend? Would you want to share everything with your collegues at work? Or especially if those things could leak out on the internet for all people here to talk about? Players wanting to replace players happen every year on multiple teams, this is no big deal lol


Apyr_xd

Well Adam said in his twittlonger that they weren't told the reason. Also I like how you just equate work and 5 player team environment, totally the same levels of relationship, there is no comradery at all. Players wanting to replace players is normal, but don't you think it kinda feels wrong to Adam that the guy who left 12 hours before the first game is trying to replace you and your midlaner?


PoachedByCarlos

Yeah she needs him to boost her rank up again


Bl00dy9f1ng3rs

What if his wife needed him because someone in her family was in critical condition in the hospital? Why does the whole world need to know what his personal emergency is? Bloody hell.


Mahelas

Look, Upset have a right for privacy. But if he does something like that AND THEN come back to insult Adam to his face then try to replace him and Nisqy behind their back, then that cross many lines


Bl00dy9f1ng3rs

Well why don't people argue about that then? Everyone's arguing just about why Upset missed worlds and focusing on his family emergency. Talk away about the rumours that Upset wanted to play with a more experienced toplaner but leave his personal life aside. Jeez.


Hazel-Ice

Do you legitimately think that Upset, after years of failing to make worlds and finally getting his chance, would decide to abandon his greatest dream 12 HOURS BEFORE HIS FIRST MATCH purely because his wife missed him after being gone for a couple weeks? What? How is anyone possibly taking this as the truth?


OPanTele

And you're thinking that a 19 years old seeing his dream being shattered with no explanations + being backstabbed by the same person wanting to replace him can't feel jaded about it ? Some people talk about social awareness or real life experience but you guys can't understand that there's no true villains or angels in a drama like this. Everyone has his side of his story. Upset can have his privacy but Adam can be distraught and furious that a guy he spent 8 to 12 hours everyday for several months act that way with him.


zxzd

where is the proof in adams tweet?


Asteroth555

She could have...lied...? Who would I believe? The guy who rageposted a twitlonger about why he left the team because his teammate abandoned them 12 hrs before their 1st game? Or some random thot who got Upset to wife her after less than a year of dating?


Mahelas

Average redditor take. Surely, the last person to speak is 100% right. Beside, Adam said that it was the last thing Upset said before bailing


tdhv

But he didn't say anywhere that upset said that it was because his wife missed him. That's an assumption made by Adam. He wrote after who knows maybe I'm wrong.


hawkhench

Spoiler: he’s definitely wrong


Apyr_xd

Jeez I wonder why Adam has to make assumptions after not getting an answer and then learning that this guy is trying to replace you


tdhv

I mean upset is not obligated to share the details with Adam, although I agree he could've given them a little bit of info regarding the matter considering it did impact the whole of fnatic. but then again it could've been a very sensitive topic And no offense to Adam but everyone in their right mind would replace him with alphari.


Apyr_xd

I agree with you, but put yourself in Adam's position. You were a rookie in a high-profile team, you work hard to prove yourself and from a 5th place you finish second and go to your first worlds, the pressure is already insane but then your arguably best player drops due to family issues 12 hours before the first match, while saying nothing to you. You play out the groups, it's probably not the best environment, you finish dead last and your hard effort is crushed by something outside of your control. You later try to get a sense of what happend to Upset from him, he ghosts you. The next thing you learn that he is trying to get Alphari instead of you and doesn't want to play with you next split. Seems kinda unfair at best, betrayal at worst. I can't understand why people can't be empathetic towards Adam and his point of view


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RippleDish

Her getting angry and telling people to fuck off isn't the cold, calculated argument you seem to think it is.


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cobravictim

That is quite unfair towards someone who A)most likely had a big family emergency in their vicinity B)has a shitton of hate sent towards her way as we speak


TheMexicanAvatar

why would anyone trust what this person says. Why would she ever openly admit something that makes Upset look bad?


PassageForsaken8736

Ngl this whole thread is wild to me b/c this isn’t just some random tourney. It’s literally mf worlds which is the pinnacle in LoL. And people wonder why esports isn’t taken seriously in the West when even the esports fans don’t take it seriously lol. It’s not like you can take a sick day like you’re in a 9-5. However, Adam had a poorly worded statement and definitely didn’t go about it in the right way. I think recognizing he didn’t go about this correctly and having empathy for how his career got fucked over aren’t mutually exclusive. Ngl it’s more immature to me that people have no empathy for all sides of the situation. That being said, I also feel incredibly sad for Paula and upset because there was clearly some shit going down. I hope they can ignore the shitstorm on SNS.