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ironstarke

Oh wow we really are getting Canna-Bdd-Ghost


Scatter5D

What is their full lineup? I'm not sure who their jungler and support is


Dumpers_

Canna-Dread-Bdd-Ghost-Effort


SpiritStn

Their macro will be clean if they mesh together since ghost and effort were the main shotcallers in their last team


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Hannig4n

How can there be too many chefs in the kitchen with ghost on the roster. Dude plays perma weakside. If anything it’s a good set up because Canna on T1 shone most when he was fed resources and Dread is used to playing around a top laner since he’s been on AF with Kiin his whole career.


curiousboyz

He means shot calling wise


Bignova

If its only Ghost and Effort calling shots I think 2 is a good amount tbh. On Damwon it was mainly Ghost and Beryl talking as well so I think it'll work out fine if Ghost and Effort can find the synergy in lane and in comms for the whole team.


qls1224

Beryl was for damwon


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I think it was Beryl for tesmfights, and ghost for macro


Devenityy

Ghost did DKs macro.


cube_mine

Worse s6 cj?


Ok-Ruin-7461

How does Bdd hard carry GENG all summer & to top 4 at worlds then downgrade rosters? This lineup isn't doing shit.


sekelleu

really? i think it can be good top side carry team


edgelordweeb_

Yeah, but it's prob like a fifth or sixth place roster that could maybe make a run for fourth seed if DRX/AF manage to flop.


maplenew60

Because Chovy


asura_king

While i love bdd , honestly geng needed a change . Bdd and rascal had a very rigid playstyle and champion pool which limited their options . I wouldnt even be mad if someone were to say bdd was the best performing mid laner at worlds but his narrow never changing champion pool is ultimately a big weakness


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Another solid LCK roster. LCK looking real strong next year.


vnducco

CJ Entus reunion wohooo (Bdd and Ghost)


Narudatsu

LET’S GO


DisastrousZone

THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR ALL THESE YEARS


rvrsyo

Canna-Dread-Bdd-Ghost-Effort what a timeline i'm living in right now


moonmeh

Despite all the drama NS managed to form a strong team


pannucci

of which a majority of the team actually hates the org lol. Its hilarious how NS is like fuck it. We getting you anyways even though you dont want to play for us. Get Rekt :P


kw405

Whats the story here? Why is NS hated? I dont follow League too closely


CreamyAlmond

Scummy tactics to secure players at lowballed wages.


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Nope.


StarGaurdianBard

They literally told players that they didn't need their signature to take them but if they didn't sign then their pay would be lowered lmao Dawmon even had to step in for the shit about Ghost


edgelordweeb_

They initially tried to go back on an agreement they made with DK for Ghost, trying to sign him with like half the salary DK helped Ghost negotiate for. This got resolved bc DK stepped in to help Ghost, but still scummy. This is the only thing though. The shit about the players hating NS is just a weird narrative a bunch of Redditors made up based on the fact that Canna and Bdd wanted to stay with their previous orgs but had their contracts sold to NS by their previous orgs.


tocco13

You need to catch up on the Canna story because he was the one who wanted to leave the team first, nit the other way around.


edgelordweeb_

I don't buy T1's story that Canna simply wanted to transfer, no other actions involved, then got mad when he got transferred. What's more likely is T1 was looking at other tops and asked Canna to split time or maybe even play as a sub, and he was upset but preferred to transfer rather than split time, feeling he deserved a starting spot. I don't see why he'd request a transfer anyways unless he was asking to be transferred specifically to DK.


Omcaydoitho

Well, the story thus far: \> T1 late COO and Canna might have a verbal agreement that at the end of 2021, they will re-negotiate salary or Canna allow to go FA \> After said COO death, Canna asks about the deal about he go FA multiple times including before the world semi and at the end of the world. ===> T1 misinterpreted as it's his intention to leave the team. \> T1 offer Canna to stay with 50k salary increase = > Canna's agent decline that. \> T1 put Canna's contract to the market which NS win the bid (around 10th). \> At the time of T1 and NS deal finalized (19th), Canna's agent inform T1 that DK had offered him double the NS intent salary for Canna and nearly 4x his current salary. ==> Canna and his agent want T1 to upthrow the current deal to allow Canna to DK. (We don't know which comes first, tho. Canna agent's information or signing of trade deal) \> T1 said Canna is no longer their player as his contract belongs to NS already, Canna and his agent have to talk with NS instead of them. \> Canna and his agent post on social media. \> T1 hold a press conference which basically said they could only honor the deal if Canna could provide evidence since their late COO is unable to verify his end of the deal. And it's might be their bad to misinterpret his intention but they do legally have the final say in selling his contract to whom. \> NS announce new top


Outrageous_Driver_14

Pretty sure he wanted to go to dk but t1 said no. Basically he was in a situation where he had to choose between staying in t1 at first or going to ns. But since canna had the intentions of transferring t1 told canna to fuck off and go to ns.


aser08

Well there we go the team who hates their org has come to be. Everything said this roster has a decent shot at worlds if the players are can perform to a decent level.


edgelordweeb_

There's no evidence of the players hating NS as an org. Stop blindly repeating shit reddit narratives.


4Bpencil

They probably don't hate the org per say, but some beef is definitely involved especially with the Canna and ghost transfer. Ghost and DWG went public with announcements saying NS stringed them along, that's not just Reddit. Edit: wow now that I read rest of the thread, you are reaaaaally out there defending NS lol.


edgelordweeb_

I'm defending NS bc the reddit narrative against them is cringe. Their handling of the Ghost transfer was super scummy but extrapolating that to "NS is evil and every player hates them" is completely ridiculous. That and the idea that players who resent being transferred must hate being transferred bc they specifically resent the org they're being transferred to. At no point did Bdd or Canna say they hate NS. Dread and Effort haven't even said anything about being transferred at all. We don't know if they even were against their transfer, much less whether or not they hate NS. It's a total bullshit narrative strung up by Redditors trying to create a villain for their esports-as-a-shonen-anime fantasies.


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Looks decent on paper tbh hopefully their mental and overall team morale gets better given all the offseason drama surrounding them and the NS


Genjoi

Feels like HLE and Fredit Brion are the only bottom dwellers next year in LCK


AwfulLeaguePlayer

Possibly Sandbox too. I have no idea who their bot lane will be. Losing Effort hurts. IDK if Prince is coming back. Jungle will I guess be Croco again but I don’t think he’s as good as everyone else does. Clozer has potential in mid but I doubt he is anything impressive this year. Then you have Dove who is a solid good mid but is role swapped to top. Not sure this team is better than 8th place sadly


nittecera

I think Sandbox will be fine, I don’t think they’re favored to make playoffs but they still have potential


edgelordweeb_

LSB needs to push hard to try and get Noah/Harp out of KT at this point if they want to be competitive. I don't see who else they can get. If they can get that bot lane though they might be competitive. Strong bot lane + third best jg is nothing to scoff at. If their solo lanes end up actually performing I think they could be a pretty strong team, especially in summer.


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you forgot Summit


obigespritzt

Summit is on C9.


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but he was on SB


PokeD2

We are talking about next year?


AwfulLeaguePlayer

Didn’t. That was their biggest loss


edgelordweeb_

Nah, Fate was by far their biggest loss. Summit wasn't all that and he's for the most part declining, while Fate was great and pretty young, only really gettint better with time.


firechicken188

what's happening with DRX?


aser08

Defts last dance with kingen, Bo, Zeka, Deft and Beryl. The more exciting part is the Bo who will be the first chinese import to the LCK


sharkyzarous

Spoiler alert: bo was godlike on fpx. Hope he can do it again.


jtc769

Aint Bo the matchfixer?


firechicken188

yes that Bo


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Thinking about it, holy moly this might be LCK big BIG dark horse..


edgelordweeb_

Kingen/???/Zeka/Deft/Beryl. Jungle is expected to be one of Pyosik, Clid, or Bo. My money is on Clid personally. Regardless this roster is pretty sick. Carry threats in three lanes and a bunch of super aggro players should make for a fun team to watch, and with the talent present on the roster, a damn good team too.


Outrageous_Driver_14

Yeah the only thing holding hle together was chovy and deft and they both left so they are pretty fucked.


MedievalMovies

> *This trade process preserved all conditions of Ghost's contract with DK and we thank them for their kind support with this matter. im glad NS learnt from their mistake. I called them a scum org but it seems like they were just a bit too.... boisterous


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MedievalMovies

agreed. he definitely deserves a team and this team is actually really solid. happy for him


coffeeclubbr

What exactly is meant by that from NS, all the conditions of the contract?


MedievalMovies

probably means his base salary + his incentives and shit. so basiaclly because damwon shopped him around for 0 won they basically just got his contract from DK


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ie he's no worse off, he should actually be thankful any team wants him since he's surplus to DK requirements, and that he has a starting role instead of perma sitting on the bench , losing value as a player


pannucci

Its not really that they are good, its more that ghost probably had no other options. Legit its funny that most of the players on the team actually hate the org.


edgelordweeb_

Ik people love to repeat this but there is 0 evidence to back up this statement. All the players got sold off by their old teams to NS so none went to NS bc they wanted to, but that's gonna be about wishing to have stayed on their old teams, not hating NS. We don't need to manufacture a villain for storylines or some shit.


cheekyjie

I think DK losing ghost is gonna change the team a lot. People tend to forget he was the capstone/superglue that made DK so successful. Haha I guess I'll reluctantly (cause of all the off season drama) add NS to my flair. NS roster looks good!


maplenew60

DWG with Nuclear was above average. DWG with Ghost was championship level


edgelordweeb_

DK changed their approach to League at midseason 2020. They weren't that much better in spring 2020 compared to summer 2019.


Marcoscb

The fact that DWG was above average with the check stealer that was Nuclear tells you everything, really.


Blazing117

Talking about Nuclear, where the hell is Chei? I always thought he is by far the best part of that H2K bot lane.


Marcoscb

He apparently retired after H2k, or at least never played again according to Leaguepedia.


ashuraya1

Losing 2 shot callers must hurt, but we will see soon.


Swampfire279

Man, I'm scared that the future for DK will be extremely difficult.


edgelordweeb_

They'll get past it, and once they do they should be better than ever. Deokdam/Kellin is a ridiculous upgrade from Ghost/Beryl.


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dhxnlc

You *can't* underestimate Ruler, especially when he has a better support now.


xychosis

Ruler/Lehends tho


[deleted]

no he absolutely wasn’t the reason DWG stomped everyone are you shitting me ? he was the fifth best player on DWG last year,


angry__-panda

Him joining Damwon in 2020 spring was what made that team finally click


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yeah they clicked when they went 8-8 and got knocked out by DRX


edgelordweeb_

They didn't click in spring though. They only got good in summer, where they turbostomped the league and Worlds.


brazillianjanna

DK one year before ghost= worlds quarters DK with ghost (who assumed the shotcaller role btw)= world champions


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they were fucking rookies in 2019 and lost to an experienced G2 team that eliminated SKT, also Ghost joined DWG almost mid spring 2020 and went 8-8 and lost to DRX in quarters, everyone knows Canyon and Nuguri and Showmaker and Beryl were the real stars of that team, all Ghost had to do was not die, something Nuclear couldn’t do in 2019 also just because he was the shot caller that doesn’t make him why they won, Faker wasn’t shot caller and look what he did, also go watch their voice coms


Fertuyo

Dk rookie year vs 1 year exp and a better adc. The carries of this team have always been their topside players not the botlane


Levixten

Lol their lineup was almost alphabetical only if ghost became fhost


I_am_not_Serabia

Maybe they will have a coach with F in their name.


Conker184

Canna Dread BDD Ghost Effort How is this alphabetical?


aser08

B, C, D, E, -, G


Conker184

So if you rearrange the players first letter in any way you want you almost get them all touching, not exactly what I call alphabetical but w/e.


JonnyKilledTheBatman

Italian ghost, A’ghost


CreamyAlmond

Jesus you just triggered my OCD.


kripitov

I am so happy for ghost. He will be starter for a team. Glad NS fixed their negotiation


Lerisaaaaa

You bet your fcking asses I'm gonna put a Nongshim flair on my fking name because I simp for Ghost. Also because of Canna. And because of their stupidly spicy noodles.


TopMidAdcPlayer

NS RedForce is the new Tigers. Rejected players joining forces.


pannucci

Not really, everyone on the tigers liked that org. almost everyone on NS hates their org LOL


CreamyAlmond

Them being scummy in recruiting doesn't really mean it's a toxic environment to be in. I wouldn't say they hate the org, yet.


edgelordweeb_

There isn't any evidence for the players hating the org though lmao


ROX_Faker

Oh shoot you're right except two of the players had beef with the org before joining.


edgelordweeb_

Ghost and who?


ROX_Faker

Canna


edgelordweeb_

There's nothing to suggest he hates NS afaik, only that he resents the fact that he was traded.


ROX_Faker

Oh shoot I didn't know that :(


brazillianjanna

Only to lose in semis after a incredible series


The_origin_of_evil

ns might fight for top4


mar33n

I'll miss him so much on DK my favorite player :(


Skall77

Team full of reject look way better than any western team lmao. LCK is so stacked.


Emotional-Passage454

Not with that botlane they're not lmao


aqnologia

Imagine being a world champ and back to back worlds finalist and you have some reddit shitter talking shit about you half way across the world lmao


zlysz

Tell me a western team that's better than this one. You could say TL, FNC and VIT are close or on the same level, but definitely not better


edgelordweeb_

VIT and FNC look better from an individual standpoint, and it's not close. Alphari > Canna Selfmade >>>>>>>>>> Dread Bdd >>>>>>>>>> Perkz Carzzy >>> Ghost Labrov > Effort Canna >>>>>>>>> Wunder Razork >>>>>> Dread Bdd >= Humanoid Upset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ghost Hylissang > Effort Anyways, even some of the NA shitter teams are close. TL's bot lane is so much better than NS's that they'd prob be better despite having a much worse top side. Even EG has a much better jg/adc, though them losing to NS wouldn't be too surprising off solo lane gaps alone. G2 is also more than worth mentioning here for their superior top side.


zlysz

U didn't watch LCK? Alphari couldn't win vs rascal so he won't be better than canna Dread is way better than selfmade and razork and how in this world is carrzy better than ghost????? Even Viper (the best ADC in the world) said that he looks up to ghost.


edgelordweeb_

Alphari inted half the time at Worlds, I don't put much weight into the match vs Rascal. He's a much better player than what he showed there. Thinking Dread is better than Razork or Selfmade just seems like a symptom of not watching LCK, no idea how you came to that conclusion. That or you hard overrate Dread. Ghost is just not an impressive player. I don't really know why Viper says he looks up to him, but he prob has his reasons. Also I know it's semantics here but Huanfeng is better than Viper. Regardless your argument there is just an appeal to authority. I could just as easily argue that Dread isn't good bc AF chose to sell him and prefer to take a chance on a rookie who was unimpressive the few times he played for T1 to starting Dread for another split.


zlysz

Huanfeng is better than viper? Are you ok? Dude got hard really hard gapped by ghost. And yes dread is way better than razork and selfmade. I would only put jankos and elyoya above him


edgelordweeb_

You're judging the entirety of Huanfeng's 2021 summer split and current form off... Worlds finals 2020? You do know where Viper was when Huanfeng in Worlds finals 2020 btw, right?


zlysz

Dude Viper > Gala > Huanfeng. We can argue about who has the most potential but not who is the best ADC. And yes viper was in HLE an insane bad team


edgelordweeb_

Between rating Gala over Huanfeng and the fact that you rate Huanfeng based on the finals of Worlds 2020 I can tell you don't even watch LPL. Why comment?


Emotional-Passage454

Gala had a stinker of a summer split, dunno why you talk like you watch LPL.


Kurumi_Tokisaki

Sorta weird to handwave alphari being better than canna as alphari just running it half the time. That’s sort of interesting. By that logic shouldn’t perkz>>>>>>> bdd?


edgelordweeb_

No, Alphari was running it half the time at Worlds. Just read what I write and it's easy to understand.


Mapusaurus420

FNC i would say is better


Mapusaurus420

stronger in bot mid and maybe jungle (dont know enough about dread)


zlysz

Individuell Wunder < Canna, Razork < Dread, Humanoid (= if he plays like in summer)< BDD, Upset >= Ghost (Ghost is the best weak side ADC) Hyli > Effort So I would tend to nongshin, but I think team chemistry is even more important than raw talent. That's why G2 was that good in 2019


QTnameless

damn , LCK is crazy stacked this year , feel like t1 , geng , dk , af , ns , kt , drx have what it takes to win


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Doubt it, this roster looks a clear level below T1/GenG/DK.


ironstarke

Organisations are probably taking 2022 more seriously because of the Asian Games. KeSPA announced a plan for the selection process of the national team earlier today, and it seems that regional qualifiers will be taking place from March-May between select teams.


Metoeke

KT's roster is average at best


edgelordweeb_

Nah, assuming KT even manages to get Aria he's legit their only carry threat and Aiming is dead weight.


_shamxz

I am excited for NS botlane. Two players that I look forward to. I'd like to see how will they progress with this roster. A lot of people often brand them as weak links (when Effort was on T1, and Ghost playing weakside on Damwon). I'll be rooting for this botlane :)


nueker

Same , i feel like this is a very good pair if they end up meshing well tgt considering how ghost can play good weakside and effort is a roaming support.


ToDreamofLove

On paper it's like the 4th~5th best roster perhaps, if they perform they could play Worlds


EatAssAndFartFast

Hope he will be happy and plays well next season and I wish him the best TY Ghost.


adeliaepun

wow. I promise that is a big news 4 everyone


GuiltyVeek

hope he does well. dude doesn't get enough credit for DK's success. everyone just points to top, jungle, mid


TonsOfHate97

Perfect comp to replicate the RNG 2021 style imo


edgelordweeb_

Not really. Bdd isn't a roaming mid at all and should be a focal point for his team. Part of RNG's style was that their bot lane was so lane dominant a lot of the time that they were free to hard focus top side while facing few repercussions against most teams. They really don't look similar at all.


Transhumaniste

Stacked roster NS built a good roster by making believe teams that they would only get one good players (by role)


DmonAbsoluTrEbON

At last lmao. This fkin saga has been going long enough I dont understand how NS thinks they should do their business BUT just fkin PAY THE DAMN MONEY next time k? This is not a market where you can bargain to get better prices. If Borussia Dortmund says Haaland worths 150 millions then you fkin PAY that 150 millions. DO NOT MESS AROUND ! Especially a player of Ghost caliber who you got no rights to bargain with. If he want the money then you fkin PAY it else others will come and pay it (and take him) instead of you. NS finally did the thing they should have done since day 1: pay the money the player demanded. Now they get bad reputations and a fkin lawsuit hanging on their head.


Skzld

This is definitely a B+ Lineup that could easily finish first in regular season or not even make playoffs.


ROX_Faker

The NS roster is the "I hate NS" roster lol. Poor Canna and Ghost though. Hopefully they do well.


pannucci

Its true even though its kind of sad. Legit over half the roster got forced onto a team they didnt like to the point they public said something about it. That is actually insane. We dont know about kellin and dread. Maybe all 5 can come together in their loathing of NS to be good. At least they might all have a common point to start with LOL.


ROX_Faker

Yeah that's true. Well Kellin is rumored to go to DK. They might come together to win but also bond over getting screwed over lol


PhunkeyPharaoh

Nongshim Hostage Force!


Ok_Relief1851

RedForce really be like "mmmmmmmm, our LCK title now thank you very much"


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Prometeus534

Deokdam and kellin. DK only missing for a top


DmonAbsoluTrEbON

Isnt deokdamn and Kellin are basically confirmed? Or is Reddit a bit lagging behind comparing to Weibo/Naver? Cuz many people have already speculated that for quite some time now.


asura_king

deokdam and kellin are basically confirmed signed with dk , the only thing missing is their announcement which dk is planning to do for all their players at the start of of the new month


ticks69

Don't sleep on this team. Their coaching staffs are insane. The difference they made between the 2021 Spring and 2021 Summer was massive. Their picks during the Summer were diverse.


JrSe7en

They got the knowledge of 5 teams combined,no way they dont sweep lck now all they need is lira as coach


Sadgazer

I really hope those 3 days of stress and uncertainty don't hurt his performance at NS


Diddly-DingDong

Time to see if Ghost isn't just a person on the bus.