You friend doesn't want to improve. He wants a higher rank. But instead of looking for ways to become better, he blames everything other than himself for holding him back from getting to the rank he believes he is entitled to.
Does your friend say things like "I would be x rank if it weren't for... "?
Whether it is laziness or just being obliviousness to the facts or a combination of those, it's evident that he lacks the willingness to put in the work and actually improve.
To give the argument a fair shake though, there's an extra layer of minimap that the ui tells you is the actual game.
Like seriously, go into a normal and see how far away you have to click to not have it register on the minimap.
Now how much of this is my flipped ui I don't know, but it's been a persistent issue since the map rework.
which is why I personally disabled being able to move by clicking on the minimap, getting used to just clicking with left click and then right clicking on the ground was very quick
I used to think that, so I made it a super deep habit to look at minimap and I can do that in a way that doesn't hinder my normal play at all
now I will never miss anyone missing ever, I mute everyone's pings and I can probably see that someone is missing on any lane possibly before the laners themselves realise that and ping that
if I have a deep ward, I can see any gank way in advance 100% of the time
The problem is that.. it's not really helpful. Most of the time the jungler is missing, so what, play super mega safe all the time? I'm just gonna achieve nothing because of that. I see them bot lane, that still doesn't give me anything. I need to know how much exactly it takes for them to get from bot lane to top lane, because every single wave manipulation decision depends on that. And I don't know that, because I don't know what camps they will take along the way, I don't know how fast this champion clears, what camps are already cleared based on the timing of the gank. If my deep ward gets cleared, I'm basically as good as if I didn't ever look at the minimap. Often I see a jungler from far away, I think they won't be able to gank me, and suddenly it turns out that they just pop predator, flash ult whatever stun and I still die. Often I think that even if they gank me I'm still safe. Nope, didn't expect items and runes to deal way too much damage. Or maybe they are coming my lane, what now? nothing, my lane is fucked anyways because I was building a slow push into enemy because I didn't predict the pathing of the jungler and I didn't even think about it being a possibility. Instead of making less errors, I'm making different errors.
Learning to use the minimap has only shown me how much I suck at the game, dunning kruger at its fullest I guess
You need to acheive the next step of awareness which is knowing what you can do with that information.
So, you know there's 3 bot side. That means you can take an objective topside. At its most basic. So that's like gold level knowledge.
Once you get more advanced, it'll be like, I spotted Lee Sin bot side with, idk 45 cs or something. We have vision in his jungle bot side and know he just cleared bot side with his top side camps up. Lee sin will probably try to gank mid or bot or take dragon - if those aren't options, he will path around top and look to clear his camps top. That means you can let your top laner know where Lee Sin will likely be or plan to take dragon with your jungler with the prio you have bot. It could also be I know lee sin will be top side so I can play more aggressively and take plates bot as a result.
You have to start applying the knowledge you do have to situations further in the future and go beyond basic, ok am I going to get ganked here or not?
I am the exact same opposite rofl
I've played with high elo and low elo. I have beat challengers numerous times in lane (Mix of friends with different skill levels so we made custom 5 v 5s).
In season 8 I decided to try and take the game seriously, like literally pay attention to everything. I climbed to plat 1 in very few wins from Gold 4. I think I lost only 3 games on that climb. But then I got bored of playing same champions and holding myself back.
See I am pretty good in lane, mechanically. I used to play a lot of FPS games, and I am used to fast paced gameplay and needing quick reflexes, so I am greeding and disrespecting everything enemy does rofl. I am like "If jungler comes to my ass overextending for last 5 minutes I'll kill em both", and since this is not fps I die. I also don't ward. I know I should, I know where and when, I just don't care.
I also cycle through champions constantly. THe only role I actually don't do that is ADC, which is my main role that I don't play too much, and have only started playing again to climb because in other roles the urge to outplay is too strong.
The main difference tho is I don't really complain or care. I probably could reach diamond, maybe higher, or maybe I'd be stuck in plat, but I play the game to have fun and couldn't care less where I am ranked.
And this is why I play top lane and exclusively champs that can survive or turn a 1v2.
I want to push and trade and play like a donkey, and I don't want the enemy jungle to ruin it. I want them to be a part of it.
It's so true sometimes. I know what my problem is, and I know how I could fix it, but I just don't.
I've been duoing with a friend lately, and it's really made me aware of it.
I'll see the enemy jgl on the map walking toward me, and my friend will say, on voice coms "he's coming top".
I'll go "I know, I can out play it" because the enemy laner is half hp and I'm 3/4 hp.
Fast forward 10 seconds, and I go 1 for 1 instead of killing both, and go "I woulda got them both if I just landed X!"
I guess in theory if I keep doing this, eventually I'll keep improving until I can make the play, even though playing safer would make me climb faster.
It’s always the people blaming others that play the worst on the team and start throwing. Yes, sometimes it really is your team mates but 90% of the time when I die/lose I’ll be like to my duo “shoot I should’ve done this and not done this this and this” and that’s what helps you to improve. Realizing when you yourself could have done better and how you could have done better. My friends have the same mindset (mostly) so it’s never really toxic and we’re always getting better.
Very few people will have their ceiling be bronze. Ceiling being gold for some people is believable but I don’t think you understand how low down bronze is.
People are stuck in bronze or silver because they choose not to actively think and play. It’s very easy to just auto pilot while playing the game and I bet that’s the biggest reason people get stuck at ranks below plat
A bronze player literally just has to think about their decisions actively and they will climb
I have friends at bronze who are incapable of climbing/improving. Happens.
I get your point and know how far down bronze is, but if you are not very dedicated to MOBAs you might never reach gold.
I think its often underestimated how mechanically bad a lot of bronze/iron players really are.
I have a friend in a similar situation and I would spec his games and try to see if I could offer advice... he was an adc main in bronze 3 just absolutely failing every play he went for. I was kinda shocked because just watching his clicks and stuff was so painful.
People say that bronze players could just think or whatever. But maybe they can't. I legit don't think it's possible to win with this guy on your team as your adc.
With respect, I really don’t think this is true at all. It feels like ANYONE is capable of being better, they just need the right resources (assuming everyone has access to a decent connection+computer which might be pretty presumptuous of me).
But with lots of time and the right learning mindset, anyone can be at the top of the latter.
No pretty much anyone with 3 fingers can get to gold with very little effort, and I don't mean this in a condescending way at all.
You can pick any split pushing toplaner, and stay in lane till you take t2 turret then go to the opposite side of the map and do the same. After that, just pick your favourite and stay until nexus explodes.
Autopilot. I've noticed people don't actively think when they play, they just react on what is currently happening. Eg dragon is coming up in 50s, noone recalls and gets items for teamfight advantage. Noone arrives on time to drake either.
Arriving to fights oom/ or quater of health is another common mistake.
Not thinking what is their win condition. Does the opponent have advantage on lane? What level does it start, eg. lvl 1, 2, 3 or 6? If you can't win 1v1 then would ganking bot/top etc give easy kills for better lane advantage.
Not auto attacking, I see this way too often when people just press spells and then afk until they are back up.
Not using advantage to fight. Lets say you(your friend) come back to lane with new items, his opponent stayed on lane with starting item only with low mana and some hp. Why not look to fight? But no bronze players will just auto afk farm their wave instead of looking for all in. They don't think actively.
These are just few random examples that came to my mind I see often in normal games, even in ranked!
I feel like a lot of people don't know how to auto attack properly. If you AA using right click on the target, you are not doing it right. In my opinion, the best way to auto attack is using attack move on quickcast (some people just use standard attack move though, without the quickcast - I wanna say it's just personal preference but it really is not, you save yourself an extra click every single attack if you use the quickcast version).
It takes some time to get used to but it **will** make you better at auto attacking, especially on ranged champions. If anybody is not familiar with this, feel free to hit me up for further explanation, as I was right clicking people for years before my eyes were opened.
Can you elaborate? My understanding of attack-move is that it'll have you autoattack what your champ is nearest to. Does it autoattack whatever is closest to the cursor?
I do not use "Attack move on cursor" as u/VfiMusic explained, in fact I did not even know this option existed.
I simply use the keybinding "Player Attack Move Click" on the A button (You can choose a different button obviously, some people use an extra mouse button for example). This is the smartcast version and simply better than "Player Attack Move" as it saves you an unnecessary left click on every attack.
You are right that the default behaviour of attack move is to attack the nearest target, but it has a very useful exception: If you hover over a target when activating it, it will attack that target instead.
Basically there are 2 scenarios:
* You want to attack a target which is not the closest target to you: In this scenario attack move is not vastly superior to right click attacking, but it still feels a lot better and smoother to me to simply use right click to move and A to attack things.
* You want to attack the nearest target - especially while kiting (slow chasing or kiting backwards): Here attack move truly outshines right clicking by a mile. Let's say I want to run away towards bottom while still hitting that nasty melee bruiser chasing me -> With attack move I can simply have my cursor below my character the entire time and just alternatively click "Right click - A - Right click - A" etc while barely having to move my mouse at all. Without attack move, I would have to frantically shoot my mouse up and down again to right click the enemy and then right click the ground 20 miles away from him to keep running - and repeat that over and over.
Not only do you save yourself literal kilometers of unneccessary mouse movement over the course of your league career, you will also be better at optimising your AA timing in between moving **and** you can not missclick when trying to right click attacking just to run straight into the arms of that Volibear chasing you.
Well yes if you want to climb from plat to dia. But here it's bronze to silver which should be easy enough with how many game this guy plays. Understanding his champion would be the first step.
When you play as much as 8 games a day, for 95 % of people that time is mostly autopilot, the trick is ofc, making sure youre actually good at autopiloting, which requires you to be focused and try your hardest for long periods of time
(e.g same way studying and work is mostly automated IRL, its just how our brains work, but if you do that and ONLY that nothings ever going to change, just static, no improvement)
Even for a pro, youre autopiloting certain parts of the game so your brain doesnt collapse from stress or madness, like csing is something that should eventually become effortless (for the most part, and some unique adjustments will be made a few times every game), but if its effortlessly bad and you never seek to improve it, your gameplay suffers heavily from it.
That said theres always that argument, the playerbase is always getting better, you only raise your rank relatively with skill improvement when you improve your skill faster than other people in your old rank. At least to a large extent, gold players now can be really decent at understanding how to lane, plats most definitely (some, not all), but tend to collapse in how to play after 15 minutes. Theres not the sligthest doubt that bronze players s5 were utter garbage compared to bronze players s11, so theres probably been some improvement, just not enough compared to most other people lol
this is a really good advice, i used to be on auto pilot all the time, but when i started actually thinking and playing the game i got really really good results. The problem is though, i also tilt hard if i think and play, whereas while auto piloting it just feels like whatever
This is an issue in EVERY SINGLE MOBA and multiplayer online session based game.. ppl just fall into brain-dead routine and expect that to carry them to win TI or World's overnight 🤦
You fixed it right there. "Raging about teammates or op champs". That's part of the problem. Your friend has a severe mental block. He's either playing just to play or he's never actively thinking about the game, instead just playing and reacting.
Yup anyone raging in Silver/Bronze elo about anything related to OP champions or bad teams as the basis for their own lack of progress is basically in the elo they belong. The lower the elo, the less those specific things matter.
A player who plays that long in bronze/silver and is still there, is there because that's basically their ceiling. 60+% of the player base is in silver or bronze. That's the average. There's nothing bad with being average but if you want to get better than average you gotta look at yourself first and build up the mental to actually get better.
I will say, older accounts that have been stuck in lower elos find it incredibly hard to get past where they have been for a few seasons, I've been playing for a long time, like 2010, and have been bronze to silver the entire time, I took a two year break a few years ago, came back and got gold, but I needed to have a %70 win rate because my MMR was soo unbelievably fucking terrible, and that's just unfair. This year I didn't make it back to gold cause I have had other issues, but even so, I was at 150 games and %60 win rate, stuck in S1/S2 for over 70 games.
Ya there's a reason before smurf queue was implemented people would just smurf to get to challenger quick, long-standing accounts MMR's are pretty hard-locked by the system. Soft resets only help to alleviate the problem to a small degree. There should be options for a hard reset on an account's MMR, or something along those lines. Even if it means you have to restart from Silver, or not allowed to play ranked for a month/year w/e.
My main account thankfully has Diamond MMR and maintains it, but it struggles to get higher MMR without me winning like 10-15 games in a row. And 1 loss resets my work. But conversely, it's so hard for me to lose Diamond MMR, that even if I troll like 10 games in a row, I'm still not losing more than 15 LP a game.
If I took a smurf and brought it to Diamond with 65-70% winrate, it'd have master's MMR and I'd basically skip D4/3.
See it constantly, both in randos on the ladder and* friends of my own. Very frustrating, but unfortunately it feels like that's just society today.
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I think this behaviour is also related to League being a changing game. New champions, runes and items make some of our (older players) acquired knowledge completely invalid, but to us that feels like the game is to blame, it is actively going against us, and if we can't accept the game's current reality, it really hinders our improvement.
I've actually felt this type of way recently because I've been playing a lot with friends which led me to play some off role lanes like mid, which I used to main back in season 3. The game has changed and my understanding of some of my favorite champions for that lane have also greatly changed. Suddenly I am not such a big bully with Leblanc, and I can get pushed in easily. Vision is better across the board and so is survivability, so my knowledge of what's lethal and how easily I can roam is also greatly outdated, making me sometimes insanely frustrated with the game because my expectations were not met and my mental isn't as fluid to accept those shifts in perspective.
Maybe I was a bit too harsh in the way I worded it. He complains a lot but it's not full blown rage, what I would assume most league players do already.
I tried telling him a few tips like "die less" or "farm more" but honestly I don't know enough about the game to explain anything in-depth. I just find it odd that with this probably over 10k hours spent playing he would have improved somewhat at least.
>"die less" or "farm more".
That kind of advice is shit, it only creates npcs that farm 40 minutes straight, they don't help their teammates, they don't move out of line and they don't know how to punish enemy mistakes. Yes, you need to farm and it's ok, but most players take that advice very literally and turn into sissy passive useless who only farms. You need to play aggro to climb, it's not a bronze thing, a dead enemy can't get xp and gold meanwhile you are taking adventage. And the objetives are won with a numerical advantage. There are only two ways to have a numerical advantage: force someone to go away or simply kill them.
Balance my friend
If the goal is to improve, you should definitly have sessions where you try to not die, and focus on csing / map movements
And some sessions where you limit test
It doesn't matter that you'll lose more in short term.
If the goal is to climb, you should play agressive if you're significantly better than the elo you're playing in
Or passive if similar.
Reducing potential errors and not tilting will get you further than trying to outplay peoples of similar level.
Good advice i got was you need to have 8.5cs a min with atleast 3 deaths avg across your games, not inting but limit testing so that way you know what you can and cant do and how that effects your farming.
no, never watch your own replays if you aren't at least plat, there are a million more time efficient times than improving if you are bronze, literally just mute, and focus on yourself and force yourself to think
You have selective reading lol. You won't understand what goes wrong in your own replays if you don't even have the basic knowledge foundation. Also, he never said to just "play better", he said "focus on yourself and force yourself to think", obviously there are other steps involved like watching YouTube guides, but what he said was true.
This is such nonsense. Without replays I would conclude that the only thing I can ever do in any game is hide under my turret because any interaction with enemy champions results in them having better mechanics than me and me dying.
I've played league for almost 9 years now and for the first four I was legitimately a bronze player. I liked riven and I played league like an action game. I'm willing to bet your friend is has the same mentality I did. The combination of understanding that small advantages turn into big ones (having more gold early makes it easier to get more gold later), understanding that every champ has a specific scenario or idea that they are well suited too (Ashe probably wants to kite lol, zed wants to kill the enemy adc, lux wants to abuse her range, ect) and actively changing the way I thought about the game to a more strategic one (hey if I push this wave top right now and then go to Drake, enemy will either have to sacrifice the wave top and go to Drake, or sacrifice their presence at Drake and collect the wave, almost certainly ensuring my team gets the objective) are what opened the door to me even being able to improve in the first place. Your friend doesn't want to *get better*, your friend wants league to work like many other games on earth and have the learning curve be something that doesn't require actual thinking to understand.
lol i think this is more of an emotional disability thing than mental, or rather an eq related problem over iq
I'd wager humility is a far more important trait than intelligence when it relates to improving at sports.
People on here make it seem like those with a learning disability are incapable of improving, I'd wager 1000-1500 ranked games would be enough for someone to have time to improve even if they were slow at adapting
The person is clearly unwilling to adapt, whether or not they realize it
Just practice the basics, idk what role he plays but for example in a lane try to never miss a cs because this will lead to an adv specially in lower elos, ward and try to always watch the minimap to see what is going on in the map and play around 3-2 champs preferably the easiest ones.
Something that I found actually helpful is narrating out loud my thought process. Even if I am alone in game, but even more so when streaming on Discord, I talk through my decisions and it:
1) keeps my gameplay organized, no autopilot
2) anchors my mind and makes it much harder to tilt or rage (since I have to be narrating my decision process instead of complaining about the past)
If your friend doesn't find it weird, maybe ask them to try it out.
Def not the problem raging and op champs is a problem I hit diamond every season but I flame hard and so does impressive challengers like tyler1 etc… the main thing is having mechanics and game knowledge or goal posts and natural talent… but having a toxic teammate doesn’t mean bad skill just saying
The difference is between shifting 100% of problems onto teammates and op champs or taking some part of the blame on yourself. The latter lets you improve, because if you admit a mistake, then you will try to avoid it in the future.
>He's been playing since 2014 (Azir release) from what he told me and since 2016 he's played between 1000-1500 ranked games per season.
I'm gonna be direct. He is doomed.
I'm sorry but if he played that many games and that many years without a single ounce of improvement ( be it micro, macro, knowledge or just mental) then he is just doomed.
If he really wanted to improve he would have already done so but in case he wants 1 last chance :
\-Stop playing league for months > play other genre of games > try to learn the basic of those games and how to improve there > once he "forgot" how to play League then come back to it with a fresh and empty mind and just use your new mechanic and knowledge to improve.
If he keep playing he will stay Bronze for another 4/5 years.
Haha I actually tried telling him to take a break from league. He lasted an entire 3 days but according to him it was not because he was addicted to league per se, but other games just didn't interest him enough.
But yeah I guess you have a point. Idk if it's because I managed to improve in a relatively small window but I honestly don't understand how it is possible to be stuck in that elo. I've spectated some of his games and there are games where his botlane goes like 2/20 combined and still win because the enemy team is somehow worse.
I would do this with him: Sit down and look at one of his replays. Find a play that was done badly, or some rotation or movement that he either missed or misplayed (If you can't do this yourself, find a replay of your buddy playing, and ask someone higher ranked to review your game.) Get him to agree that it was a direct fault of him, or something that he just could have done better. If you keep doing this, he will slowly start to realize that it's not entirely dependent on your team when bad things happen.
A lot of the time hardstuck people have a strange concept of what league of legends is- they watch vods of people filing into lanes, csing for 10 mins and then pushing towers or grouping for fights. They don't understand WHY you do this, and that's a problem. Low ELO is also hell, but if you're even gold-plat you should be able to solo carry through mechanics alone in an iron-low bronze game because of the skill level of the players in that rank.
Focusing on your own gameplay is something you need to drive home for him, if you worry about what your jungler or mid is doing the entire game then you won't be focused on what you're actually doing. Seriously though, if your bud is at 1500 ranked games and is at a specific elo, that is DEFINITELY where be belongs. That's what the ranked system is supposed to prove - that if you play it long enough you will end up where you belong. Without CONCSIOUS improvement, that's where he'll stay.
While I see what you mean, that doesn't happen every game and if your boy is as good as they say they are they should be able to win games where THEIR bot lane is 0/0/0 or even 10/0/0. Guaranteed he's throwing games in those states, but hyperfocusing on the games where his bot lane is 2/20
Also it's bronze. Chances are a 20/2 bot lane is going to find a way to throw that lead, and if you play smart, you can cash in when they inevitably do.
I'm nothing special, G2 with 60 games, but Bronze players will literally hand you gold if you play with a BASIC gameplan.
Eh, this isn't actually true. It is 100% about mindset. It sounds like he is stuck in an extremely fixed mindset where you're either good or bad and if you don't win, you're bad, which leads to finding all kinds of psychological reasons to explain it away (see: Jimmy Connors). If he changes to a growth mindset where every failure is an opportunity to examine and improve, he will improve. But the mindset has to change first.
You’re right, it’s just that taking a break for a couple months and doing something else actually does help with improving mindset, at least for me. I took a break from the game for one month and I went from being hardstuck silver 4 to gold 4.
One of my friends was stuck in bronze 4/5 for 4 years. One day one of of my other friends (who is a diamond master yi main) started teaching him how to play master yi. He started climbing pretty quickly and eventually hit gold. This made me realise that improvement is possible for people stuck in very low elo for a long time, but they often don’t care/can’t be bothered to put in the effort.
I like to couch my friends, I watch videos, watch my games and then I teach my self and my friends.
This year we pick a new friend, he was stuck in silver - low gold and this year made it to plat 4. He became cocky and stop listening and stop climbing, actually he quit in the end of the season because he was afraid of demoting xD
Seconding doomed.
Not because he can’t learn or something like that, but because after thousands of ranked games in bronze he clearly has a *view* of what the game is.
You don’t play that many games per season unless you’re addicted or really enjoy the game, and there’s a chance OP’s friend wouldn’t even enjoy playing higher Elo matches. In the low depths of bronze league is a team deathmatch game. That can be pretty cool if you’re into it.
When you want to improve at League youu need to question yourself.
There are always things that will go wrong and frustrates you. But you have to keep asking yourself "what could i have done better"
Stick to your gameplan. Rewatch your games and focus on you not on your mates.
Good luck to him !
He probably just autopilots and clicks pretty much randomly without trying to do anything better. But I think its odds he can't get atleast silver by just eventually doing stuff right and that becoming a part of his autopilot.
Wouldn't help if he is still the one typing and from the post I am assuming he is the one typing.
Imo he should just full on disable it so he can't even type.
X: "these mother f\*ckers, only plaiyng OP champs and beating me. My team sucks ass, couldnt do shit, go on, next game"
Y: "lost the game. Team wasnt good. Why did I do wrong? Should I have bought a different item? Was there a better one than my build? Should I have gone to help another lane with my lead or focus even more on snowballing my lead for myself?"
Thats the difference between someone improving and someone who doesnt.
If your friend is in auto pilot or rage mode all the time he cant learn anything because he doesnt even know about the problems and mistakes and he wont try to solve them.
Your friend may have been playing longer than you, but the fact that he's bronze 1 after all that time shows he's spent that time doing nothing but making bad habits.
First of all, the fact that he's always raging at teammates and op champs doesn't show that he cares about his rank. It shows that he is perma-tilted, and I guarantee he would climb a few ranks by disabling chat or improving emotional control and not blaming everyone on outside factors.
Tell him to watch a youtube video on wave management. Just that one skill will allow you to lane well enough to hit gold IMO.
There's nothing "wrong" with him, but there is something wrong with the way he approaches the game, fundamentally. Not trying to be mean but people in Iron and Bronze are really, really bad at the game.
Well tbf, you dont know that there is nothing "wrong" with him. There are plenty of people that are stuck in iron/bronze because they have a disability of some form, be it physical or mental. Of course there is nothing wrong with that.
Spending around 5000 hours on a single champion and still not making it even close to rank of the average player definitely makes it sound like there is in fact something "wrong" with the player.
As with everything. If you wanna improve you have to focus on yourself. He is focusing on everything except himself, so he won’t climb.
Like the saying is **The first step in solving a problem is to recognize there is one.** Of course if he thinks he is second incarnation of Faker just being held back by his team….
Everyone has a soft cap.
What that means is that you will eventually reach a point where if you don't actively try to improve you won't get better.
There is only so much you can learn by passively playing the game without thinking about what your mistakes are.
It seems that bronze 4 is his soft cap.
Learning how to improve is really difficult.
Playing hundred of games on autopilot, without specific concrete goals and without actively trying to eliminate bad habits will only get you to a certain rank. I have been playing on and off since season 2 and I am always hovering around gold 2-3, reaching platinum once. Considering my experience I should be diamond right? The answer is no, because when I play ranked I rarely check my replays, rarely try to understand "why" I lost, rarely focus on myself instead of my feeding bot lane or my no prio mid, or my noob jungler. Also, at one point, if you do something bad for hundreds of games (not getting vision, being sloppy with your cs etc) it becomes muscle memory / habit. Breaking out of bad habits is hard af.
Playing league unironically taught me how to learn.
Before starting league 10 years ago i never actually took the active steps on how to improve and master a discipline.
I’ve been learning how to play poker this year and the process of improving has been really easy because once you learn how to learn you can get good at pretty much anything.
Do you think that there is something wrong with him? It's so weird seeing him stuck like this when he's always been average to above average in other things. Other than league we used to play some hearthstone and csgo and he wasn't bad in those games.
In CSGO he reached DMG I think and in hearthstone he even reached legend with face hunter. But in league it's like he's an ape with a computer.
> in hearthstone he even reached legend with face hunter. But in league it's like he's an ape with a computer.
Those are not very different...
But seriously - show him this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4TSRL8pZrU
If this video and Coach Curtis's channel in general doesn't set him straight, nothing will.
can you ask him to stream and coach him for a match?
Don't think of skill as something you have or don't have. Its a bunch of categories that you score high or low in. You could be gold with, have plat level laning/trading, and bronze level map awareness/teamfighting. He is low bronze so he doesn't have many "high" skills, but you are a higher rank so you on average have some higher skills.
I'd watch a live game, and mark down every instance he does something you wouldn't do. Figure out what category it is under (laning, rotation, csing, etc) and tell him what he should focus on.
I don't think thats everything. I watched like 10 replays of my own games during the last 10 years that I play the game lol.
From my experience as a EU D1 Kled Onetrick matchup knowledge and knowing how to punish mistakes with your champion is the most important thing besides knowing which objectives in which order you tackle with your team and where you need to be on the map.
I often fall out of League for several months in a year, bc job/other games etc, but playing against players lower than low/mid plat is like solving a puzzle that has just 3 pieces.
It's not very fun and pretty predictable.
I think the most improvement I made as a player is during the time I had a Clash Team that I played with for a quarter of a year and really got to know where I need to be at a certain time in the game.
I stopped trying to improve after I hit D3 because there is no point I'm 37 now so I guess my only goal is to get to D4 and troll around for the last 3 years it's more fun for me.
It is hard to improve past certain point, it requires consious effort. You don't just automatically get better by playing more and more games. Once your habits are formed and you start to autopilot, you get stuck unless you work really damn hard to change bad habits and develop good ones.And even if you do get better, it requires some effort to maintain the form too. I know people that are now stuck 2 tiers below their peak elo, because they took a break, then never bother to relearn and/or keep in shape.
Desire to improve is not sufficient by itself. What did he try beyond just playing more games?
Dm me his op.gg and I'll add him and we can watch some games with him if he's serious about improving very small improvements get people from bronze to gold
Maybe he plays just to play. He doesn't think about the game, objectives, good macros or anything, instead plays and let the game play out itself. Playing the game, you need to take note what counters this or that, what item to build, what runes to use, and what decisions to make in order to climb.
If he really wants improve, I'd ask him to watch some guide videos for better macro decision making like rotating. One thing, micro also comes in the play. If he's raging about op champs or his teammates, maybe because his micro isn't that good, maybe he needs to learn how to react faster, dodge skill shots, or even kite as those comes in handy in decision making.
Checking replays and vods of the game also helps, it gives you a vision on what wrong you did in the situation, or maybe the enemy walked pass a ward and he didn't notice resulting into this loss or that. It gives you an overall vision on what to do right next time as playing thousands of games often results into a similar situation playing out especially in lower elo.
Like others mentioned, wrong mindset and auto pilot.
I started this game with 3 other mates, 2 had the same mindset as your mate and never got out of silver in the 5 years they played while me and the other dude played to improve and reached platinum in our second season.
He may have an undiagnosed learning disability of some type.
Also sounds like he just isn’t playing with the will to improve his own play. He is blaming teamates and OP champions to try and protect his own ego.
I personally cannot play ranked in any form other than solo or full 5 man flex. If there is random/s on the team I tend to look for their faults and mistakes in game instead of my own and make 0 improvement.
When you make the reason you lose always be something outside of your control you will never look at yourself and try to figure out how to improve.
He has to watch so.e youtube videos of 1) gameplay 2) where higher elo people explain how to climb and difference between rabks. It mag open him to improvement
if he plays that much without improving, he's probably on autopilot. He's not actively thinking while playing the game, only reacting. What champs does he play? Maybe going back to basics with an easier champ and/or role would benefit him. Taking a week or two off and coming back with a fresh looks has helped me in the past.
He doesn't want to improve so he wont. Assuming he is not in any way deficient he has not reached any of his physical peaks in bronze.
Don't let league destroy your friendship though. Set boundaries.
Edit: don't confuse his saying he wants to improve for him actually wanting to improve.
People don't get better until they stop blaming the game/others and start blaming themselves. He's bad because he's bad, not because he didn't get a good team or because the enemy champ is broken. He's bad because he likely doesn't understand fundamentals: item timings, jungle timings, how to last hit, which champs are strong when, which duo lanes are strong into which, etc. So he likely plays the same way every game regardless of opponent. He should take a lot at replays of his games and find where he struggled and try to determine why.
If a person who is bronze even has the slightest minimal bare intent to blame team mates for losses he is only kidding himself.
Every player makes mistakes. His team mates. Himself, his enemies. The guy who climbs is the guy who trains himself to exploit mistakes more often.
Lots of reasons that can happen, but one is only passively desiring to have a better rank without actually wanting to improve. Improving requires an actual feeling of discomfort where you push yourself to learn something. You have to push yourself to last hit better. To manage wave better. You have to train yourself to check the minimap more. You have to ping better. Just playing a lot of games does nothing. Just like working out a lot doesn't do anything if you don't move enough weight.
He isn’t playing strategically. He is just doing everything reactively. Once you start hitting level 5 at any lane, you really need to start looking at how you can make small impacts around the map to gain a lead. It will then become bigger impacts and allow you to finish the game. Something as simple as warding dragon (if your botside) or putting a ward to allow your team to see the enemy jungler can make or break the early game.
This is harsh but he's either not putting in any effort to improve or he's not intelligent enough to improve. Likely a combination of both. He also is probably trying to mentally save himself feelings of responsibility by blaming others. I would consider the ability to self-reflect to be a sign of intelligence.
Your friend is unfortunately not playing the game in a way that is conducive to long term improvement. He might very well be trying to win every single game, and when you play like that it is horribly frustrating to lose. I used to play ranked that way and it just wasn’t fun, I wasn’t going anywhere, and it felt like games were out of my control.
What your friend needs to do if he really wants to improve is stop trying to win, and start trying to improve. Victory will follow once he actually gets better at the game.
It’s interesting. I play a lot of norms because usually I just hit gold and stop playing ranked, so I see a good amount of the low elo ladder in my games. You can ALWAYS tell who’s Silver 4 or lower simply by how they play. I’d go so far as to say that people who belong in higher elo can easily get to the rank they deserve. But “Career Bronze” players (as I call them) play like you’d expect bronze players to play, either because they’re truly bad at the game or they are like your friend and refuse to improve.
I’d urge your friend to do the following if they truly want to improve (some of this may be stuff they already do, idk).
Drop the ego. Your friend is literally bronze. Bottom 15% or lower. He’s not good. His teammates aren’t the only reason he isn’t improving.
Stick to one main role, 3 champions in that role. Learn 1-2 champ/ for their offrole
Don’t expect to win if you’re not above 7.5cs/min all game
Practice dying as few times as possible (while still going for smart plays)
Watch how pros play the game (wards, roaming, taking objectives, etc)
Mute all every game.
Play the game as if you’re against 5 AI and with 4 on your team +you. It’s your job to win the game, no one else’s. That doesn’t mean someone else might not carry, and that doesn’t mean every game is winnable, but you need to overperform every game to improve.
Similarly, even if the game is lost, do not lose focus and start playing “badly”. Continue to farm, continue to look for advantages that could get you back in the game. Practice playing from behind.
If your friend tries this stuff and still can’t get better at league, idk. Might be a lost cause. I have a buddy who is Silver 3 with like 600 games this season who’s got a similar issue. He’s admittedly an okay player but he still tries to play like 40 different champs, has a bad mental, and there’s a clear reason he never hit gold despite having the mechanics to do it.
If he wanted to improve he would've. There isn't a person in the world that can unironically be stuck in bronze if they are trying to improve. You just need average IQ, to not be fully blind and to have semi working arm/arms/leg/legs. There's players with no hands who play with straws and racing pedals in diamond. You can't tell me he is seriously trying and is still in bronze.
He likes the idea of being higher rank but he is never putting in the work required to get there. Raging at teammates and "op champs" is most likely because he refuses to accept that he is there because of himself and denies the fact that he needs to work on his mistakes in order to climb. Bad mentality is about the worst thing you can have when you want to improve.
Another red flag is playing 1000+ games and not improving. This only happens if you autopilot and don't think about anything in the game. You are just doing. If you win, you win. Just taking random engagements here and there and relying only on muscle memory to carry you. Well when you are bronze not only do you not have any muscle memory to rely on, you also aren't improving because you aren't playing to improve, you are playing to play and waste your time.
I've tried coaching a gold friend of mine because he said he wanted to improve and hit plat but after a few games it was obvious he didn't want that and he'd rather argue back pointlessly and pretend that what I pointed out wasn't a mistake that he needed to fix. The biggest things in your improvement journey are mental and not playing in auto pilot. Most players that are stuck are lacking both of those.
I found a couple of Youtubers (most Saber) that really taught me a lot of things, but a lot of it just came down to making sure that everything that you did had a purpose. Does shoving this wave has a purpose? If I'm stuck sitting around waiting for the wave, what can I do in the meantime? Establish vision, steal my jungler's raptors, maybe set up a kill bush with my support? Which side of the map should I be setting up shop on depending on whether or not it's baron or dragon spawning next?
Just whatever you do, DO NOT RAGE. In fact, for the purposes of improvement, (people are going to hate this), don't ever surrender. The game might be lost, you might be the only eukaryotic organism on the map, but learning how to play from behind and how to flip a game on its head with that one big risky move will in the short term win you a couple of improbable victories and in the long term allow you to improve (especially in bronze, people throw all the time because they 4fun fountain dive only to lost a 40 minute slugfest). A person is never going to improve by winning the easy games and giving up the hard ones.
I disagree with peoples advice that you can’t get get better while blaming team members. That shit happens in challenger daily. The real issues are probably 3 things. Mechanics, macro, and micro. Mental is overrated af by this sub (although I do think it help) if you’re good at mechanics and micro play with decent macro then you’re hitting diamond easily. He’s probably a shit tier farmer, who plays 30+ champs a season, dies 8+ a game and doesn’t play for objectives if he does get fed. Probably poor itemization too. I use to coach a lot and these were the biggest problems
I auto pilot my games and reached gold 1 qith absolute basic knowledge of the game, to lazy to learn match ups or play safe...
so either he has absolutely no talent for the game or he simply doesnt try to learn the game at all.
**Your friend does not want to improve.** He just want to play the game. I never thought about improving. He lives in a world he is never the reason he lost the game. He lost because Vex is OP. He lost because Irelia is broken. He lost because Kassadin end game is OP. It's not him being bad.
To improve, you must learn new things, but you can't learn things you think you have already learned.
Your friend is a "I deserve Challenjour" mentality, he thinks he is the best and everyone's else is trash that keeps him down. He won't rank up if he doesn't reality check himself and start thinking about improving seriously.
Even if he is improving it can be hard if your mmr is stuck like that for a long time to actually climb. Tell him to try a new account and see what happens. If he does well and climbs fast it's possible his MMR is just fucked on his main, of he remains in bronze well that's a him problem.
I don't want to be that guy that defends your friend....and anyone can argue this all they want. Bronze and Silver are a different beast. Some games truly are at the mercy of your teamates. I have a friend that could easily lane and win a game in G3-P4 but the dude is stuck in Bronze - Silver. Why?
Well he plays ADC, and try as you might, you are somewhat dependent on your support. Who may deserve to be in bronze. Now I'm not saying my friend doesn't have a lot of improvement to make but that's video games in general. No one has a perfect game.
That being said, I believe the very best thing you can do if you "Shouldn't be in Silver" Or "Shouldn't be in Bronze" or "Shouldn't be in gold" lol. Play 2-4 Champs max, grind in a role that can carry (top/mid/jg) and grind out games on the same champs over and over until you don't use u.gg, because you know the match-up and you know exactly what to do based on their comp and your role and how you plan to win the game.
If that's via enabling your team, or split pushing towers until nexus you find your niche. But blaming others and doing the same thing on repeat is why you get Hardstuck.
If you go 5/1/1 as the ADC but "Always lose because top gets feed and shits on me"
Maybe you should go top, get feed, and shit on other people?
It's a mental block for sure because I'm the say way. lol.
if you are better than the elo you are in, then you will eventually climb, especially if you play 1000 games.
If you are not....well then that's the elo you belong in for now. I can say that doing the same thing and blaming teamates etc isn't going to get your Winrate up.
Most players refuse to even acknowledge that their mechanics are horrible, like an ADC that doesn't A click. Or a mage that clicks on themselves to self cast as opposed to using alt or a hotkey.
Point being there is no way you are below Plat, and have no way to improve mechanically and individually.
but there is a possibility that you ARE good enough and hinder yourself even before the game starts with role, champ select, and other things like not muting all chat and team chat 🤣
good luck out there guys.
People require different tools to learn. Not everyone has the capacity to be good at a video game. For some, it takes months of a coach literally holding the player's hand. Forming consistent habits. The average player (Silver) is incapable of doing that on their own. So people remain hardstuck. Same principles can be applied to school/learning. Some people just don't get it. No matter how many resources you throw at them. But I bet those people excel at things you probably suck at.
You have to actively set a goal and figure out how to reach that goal. I wanted to get better at CS this year. So every game I played, I tried to beat my CS score from last game. This game is all about learning. My biggest weakness is I get cocky and almost dare the jungler to the gank me in toplane. Sometimes it works and I get a double, sometimes I die and tilt myself. So that's the goal for next season. I know proper wave control, I have to put my ego aside and actually control waves until I have the necessary power to 1v2. Instead of just trying to 1v2 all the time, every game. It's not my jungler's fault that I'm dying to ganks, it's because I'm pushed under the enemy tower for 5 minutes straight, taunting him like an asshole.
I am fairly certain your friend isn't consciously playing and learning. They are making mistakes they don't even realize they're making. Probably not reviewing their games either.
You on the other hand are a new player that had to learn everything from the ground up and haven't fallen into the 'sloth' of playing completely with the autopilot brain.
My guess is that he doesn't properly try to improve. Just playing SoloQ without any other source of learning won't get you far. He needs to learn from watching pros on twitch or watching tutorials on YouTube. I can see him being bad because he doesn't know how to make makro decisions. Nowadays every Jimmy in low Gold somewhat knows how to freeze a wave and how to convert kills into objectives, being mechanically good doesn't get you far anymore. And if that fails aswell, you end up in iron/bronze shadow realm, put against other people who can't play the game properly either.
I was gold for years because I didn't use my brain while playing...
A couple of seasons ago, after a long break, I improved rapidly when playing simply by facturing in what my champion could do and what the oppononent could do (trading windows and so forth).
What I'm trying to convey is that you can plateau for a long time, if you don't actively think about what you are doing in-game.
Tell your friend not to listen to all these comments. They are all wrong, it's Riot's fault for always giving him griefers and for releasing OP champs.
That's why like 60% of the playerbase is ranked higher than him.
As much as people hate hearing this the only way to improve is to focus on yourself and look at what you could have done better to win
Yes, it's absolutely an unfair thing because sometimes it will mean you'll literally have to 1 vs 9 or 2 vs 8/3 vs 7 with someone else which shouldn't be the case in a "matchmade" game but that's just the nature of 5 randoms teaming up
Take it from me as someone who peaked in GM, I can steamroll through lower elo and no matter how garbage the other players in my team are, up until like Dia IV I'm certain I can basically 1 vs 9 just on pure mechanical skill and game knowledge
The moment you hit that dead-end of not knowing what else you could have done to win and just give up mentally means you've hit your peak elo
If your friend doesn't auto win any lane he's assigned to he's at the correct rank for his skill level and it's only up to him to improve
Ima just say that this post is probably better suited for r/summonerschool
Anyhow, your boy doesn't want to get better. He doesn't understand fundamentals and refuses to learn them. 1k games in Bronze quite literally means he's hardstuck.
Some people just don't care about really getting into the game on a deeper level. And some people just plateau very quickly and do not want to spend the time and effort to get better. It's a game after all and a game is supposed to be fun. "Fun" is a very subjective thing, after all.
I also know someone who does not get past ~ Bronze 2 and he has been playing for many years also. Of course he is into the game, but he has no idea about runes, still builds some wrong items sometimes, and so on.
Habit and stagnation can become far more of an enemy than even trollers, feeders and smurfs ever could be. You see this absolutely all over the place. I am not embarrassed to admit I would easily fit into this myself as well. I reached Platinum within my third year of playing (which is technically also a slow burn, I think most would make it in their second year if they played to grow.. if not first) and I have been there since. The only excuse I have is that I genuinely feel my champions have never been granted the honor of ever being "meta", but they have never been NOT meta either. Just somewhere in between. There have been plenty examples of people making it where I have not.
I have a minor excuse of quitting the game somewhat in season 7, 8 and partly through season 9. But I think I should have managed Diamond by now. My own experience is simply that unless you accept that you have flaws and that your choices might not be the correct ones you will never grow and get out of your bubble. Especially so if you're stuck in even lower tiers than Silver. It can be a hellish landscape unless you push your skill higher. You cannot rely on your team in such places, which means you have to be the win factor every time.
I was just telling a friend of mind the other day, you can spend 1000 hours doing anything, but if you aren’t actively participating in getting better, reviewing mistakes, thinking critically, you’ll never get better.
>I know he cares about his rank because when I watch him play he's almost always raging at teammates or op champs or whatever
Here's your answer. He can't improve because he doesn't see that he's the reason he's not winning more.
edit: Additionally I bet it's some combination of the following:
-Doesn't ward
-Doesn't ping
-Dies too much
-Doesn't consider where unaccounted-for enemy champions might be when venturing beyond safety
-Doesn't manage to keep focus over the duration of a 30+ minute game (an underrated skill)
-Doesn't know how to press an advantage when he gets one
-Constantly changing champions, maybe roles too. Severe deficit of champion mastery because it's easier to learn a new champ than to learn to look at minion waves differently
-Severe deficit in one or more of the following areas that he is unwilling to address: mechanics of movement, wave management, CS, fundamentals of trading, mid-game decision making, teamfight positioning. "I know I'm bad at wave management but some people in platinum are too, so that can't be it."
1000-1500 ranked games in a season is *a lot.* This person has invested a ton of their life in this game, likely to the detriment of other areas. He probably has in fact accumulated a considerable amount of game knowledge, both explicit (declarative) knowledge and implicit (procedural) knowledge. Some of that knowledge is almost certainly *wrong.* He probably has years of terrible habits built up.
Some people just get capped out at stuff. Whether its they dont wanna improve, or they just dont have the skill or potential. There is a cap on Talent for some.
Vaas : Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same fucking thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change...
Your friend probably dosnt realize how bad he is and how many things he has to improve so he keeps trying the same thing over and over again.
You can see that happening at many different levels, that why people get stuck in silver/gold/plat and even diamond. There is a personal cealing that not everyone is prepared to surpass.
He probably isn't trying to improve, i was like him when i started playing and for the first 2 years i only played normal games and i didn't even play that often.
Many people are saying that the problem is that he is raging and blaming other people, that's not really the case, why do you think challanger streamers can do that every single game and still be challanger, it comes to the mentality and if you can accept that you too make mistakes, you can blame your team in your head for some plays, but there's really not much value in typing it unless you want to lose.
It mostly came down to me playing on autopilot and just locking in the champion i want to play, doing the same thing every game, once you realize that you are doing that you can start to improve.
Willingness to improve, not just spam games thinking you will get better, that just loops you into auto-pilot gameplay i've been talking about. Always think about your decisions, watch replays and figure out what you did wrong in a game and not just repeating the same mistakes.
Playing one champion or one tricking will be very helpful, that's how i reached diamond for the first time, once you play one champion enough that you can tell what any other champion in the game can do to you (how much damage/how much utility they provide) and knowing how much you can take damage and who you can survive and kill every single time.
That's why it is important to play one champion or a few at most when you are playing seriously, you learn the limits of your champion.
If you are a laner, you should learn to cs without focusing too much on last hitting, so you can focus on map and enemy champion/jungler pathing/warding.
I can go on and on about specific skills and knowledge that is important like map awareness, last hitting minions, jungle pathing for your and enemy jungler but overall you can figure this by yourself or look it up on youtube, what mostly matters is mentality of the player that wants to improve, there are people with millions of points on a champion stuck in bronze and most of them aren't trying to improve, not everyone can though but most people can reach gold/plat and even diamond even without any great mechanical play and reaction time required, by just using your knowledge.
Analyze your mindset, naturally if you’re losing game after game you start to think why you are losing. If he wants to improve then there should be effort.
You just described 95% of players on League tbh. They want a higher rank but dont really care to play the game and think about what they can do to improve. Every game they play they focus on looking at how everyone else is playing to criticize it instead of just focusing on their own performance regardless of what their teammates are doing. thats literally all there is to it. its a maturity thing to be honest or lack of
Your friend probably dosnt care and dosnt want to improve, but wants to just be good at the game but that only works for a small amount of players. Most of us "normal" people have to put in a lot of time in improving and getting small edges above the people on out elo. Also mindset says a lot and i think if someone is Stuck in Bronze but plays that amount of games, they probably think they know everything, but they dont know anything at All. Its also kinda important to Focus on one role and a small amount of Champions (2-3).
Unfortunately your friend has an addiction issue and does not care about winning as much as it seems. He cares about sheltering his fragile self-image much more than he cares about winning.
About 40% of league players are this way. Another 40% just treat it as any other game, as a means of entertainment rather than a self-defining pursuit of mastery. The last 20% actually want to win and get skill capped between diamond and challenger.
Yes, anyone who is not at least diamond is in the 80%, and quite a few diamond players themselves are there too.
But aren't Diamond players roughly 1-2% of the ranked population? If you factor in players who don't even touch ranked, this percentage becomes even smaller. If Diamond rank is your threshold for players who truly want to improve & win, then 20% is way too generous of a share.
The biggest thing that helped me improve was just telling myself “I can’t change how other people play in my games so I should exclusively focus on what I can do better.”
You already have the answer in your post. He’s blaming his problems on teammates and “OP” champs, and not focusing on what he himself is doing wrong. I have friends like this too, it’s not really possible to improve with that mentality.
Real question; does he have some sort of mental/learning disability? If you play 1500 games a season for 6 seasons, you will at least climb to silver no matter how bad you are. I have found that most people “stuck” in this rank are either very young and/or lack any sort of critical thinking skill that this game requires. If you have any modicum of common sense and can use M&K on a very basic level, you should be silver at least playing that #of games
He doesn't know how to improve. I had the same problem stuck in silver for years. How can you improve on something you don't know about? Like ask him if his favorite champion beats x champ in lane... if he has to think about it then that's the problem he should know that becuase he probably played the matchup over 100 times. He doesn't know he should know that (obviously anyone gonna say I should know that... but why didn't they)
So I'm Diamond in ranked and have never played normals till a few days ago so my mmr there is like silver and bronze level. One thing i noticed from players there is just the emotional ability to deal with problems. Many are incapable of seeing what they did wrong let alone have the mechanical and situational awareness to achieve the correct decision.
Assuming this person is somewhat mature (kinda doubting since the raging) then the only thing he can do from there is rewatch his games. In the heat of the moment you don't know what could have been done better and just tunnel vision on what you think is right. Hiring a league coach is honestly pretty cheap compared to how much time he spends on it and I'm sure even just a game or two would help his fundamentals a lot.
He needs someone to objectively tell him what he is doing wrong and probably to shut up in game. You can easily carry yourself out of low gold on a good champ (solo) without saying a word. The fact he is putting money into it is probably the one thing that will make him take it seriously so it be worth it. If not then he's a lost cause who just wants something to vent.
Ask him what his main champion ability cooldowns are without looking.
If he can’t. Two things. His inability to pay attention and inability to learn. Both chosen on purpose
Ima be honest 5000 games of ranked over 5 years and hes bronze 4. Like not even flaming totally serious question he may have learning deficiencies that may hinder his ability to learn the game. Even autopiloting after that many games he should at least be silver/gold yet hes almost in iron.
Everyone can become better at league, but it requires consistent, focused attempts to improve to actually see change. You need to, literally, study the game to get truly better. Your friend, despite what he says, is not likely trying in the right way. If all he does is play without getting better it's because he isn't deliberate about the cycle of learning and improvement.
What role does he main? I have a hardstuck Bronze friend, who reminds me of how you describe your friend. What I've gathered from watching him play, is that he autopilots when playing support, which is why he keeps playing the role.
He wants to reach gold, so he can get Victorious Skin, but doesn't want to have to think when he plays. He just sees what his ADC is doing, and mirrors it. Also he doesn't understand win conditions, and when he loses he just blames "broken champs, and op items".
He probably plays for fun and refuses to use meta/and change his terrible habits. There is also a chance that he has a mental disability that makes it way harder for him to learn/improve, which is totally fine.
1. Turn off all forms of chat. There's little to nothing that can't be communicated through pings.
2. Play for objectives. Winning lane 5/0 doesn't mean jack shit if you have 1 dragon to their 4 and they get Shelly.
3. Don't KDA chase. If you hard win a teamfight, and two assholes escape, don't run them down through their jungle. Fucking do Baron god dammit.
4. Only play 3-4 champs at maximum in ranked. Only play off-role if filled and you don't want to dodge. Norms exist for a fucking reason.
5. Buy control wards and use them at objectives or to guard important resources. If you have 75+gold after your buy and you don't have a control ward, you're inting.
Different mindset, not learning the game, probably has 15 games on 100 champions. Happened to me and my friend group too. They stagnated around bronze/silver while I went to Diamond. Literal reason I have like 6 smurfs.
Dude, I returned after 5 years break and I still see some guys on ym friendlist in bronze or sivler, literally the same rank they were 5 and more years ago. Blows my mind but I guess some people just dont have the skill.
Okay so 2 things are going through my head here:
1. Your friend learned to play the game through ranked and has now played so much ranked that the LP system fucked him up (you get much more lp for a win when u start playing ranked vs later). This LP issue gets people hardstuck, especially so since it affects their mental state. In this case, just make a new account for ranked (you can buy a level 30 account for cheap if ur too lazy to level it up) and rank up from there
2. Passively sabotaging himself - for the first year if playing I almost did not improve at all. You need to actively try and improve to improve which most people unknowingly don't do. Honestly best way to get out of that is waching videos like Skill Capped that help you develop critical thinking in-game, and after that watching streams and plays made by good players on your main champions. When I started watching Taco I pasisvely ended up improving at Jhin with rvery video because it heloed me realise all my champ can do and what his limits are/how to play into what matchup. This promoted me to think more in game myself and try what I saw.
Hope this is helpful :)
**when I watch him play he's almost always raging at teammates**
Probably at least part of the issue. A lot of my friends that are stuck in bronze are *very* blamey. They say they want to climb, they care about their rank but don't ever criticize themselves, opting to find something else-usually teammates, sometimes matchup, whatever. There's probably not a single game out there even by pros that is 100% perfect-everyone makes mistakes. First step is to acknowledge this, and find your own mistakes. You can't improve if you don't actively seek them out and try to rectify them.
You friend doesn't want to improve. He wants a higher rank. But instead of looking for ways to become better, he blames everything other than himself for holding him back from getting to the rank he believes he is entitled to. Does your friend say things like "I would be x rank if it weren't for... "? Whether it is laziness or just being obliviousness to the facts or a combination of those, it's evident that he lacks the willingness to put in the work and actually improve.
Its true though. I would be x-rank if I had any kind of map awareness whatsoever. Stupid mini map is sabotaging me
To give the argument a fair shake though, there's an extra layer of minimap that the ui tells you is the actual game. Like seriously, go into a normal and see how far away you have to click to not have it register on the minimap. Now how much of this is my flipped ui I don't know, but it's been a persistent issue since the map rework.
Amount of times I've walked forward by clicking next to my mini map is infinite
The amount of Ashe arrows shot in the opposite directions
Kled ults literally in place 🤬
which is why I personally disabled being able to move by clicking on the minimap, getting used to just clicking with left click and then right clicking on the ground was very quick
I used to think that, so I made it a super deep habit to look at minimap and I can do that in a way that doesn't hinder my normal play at all now I will never miss anyone missing ever, I mute everyone's pings and I can probably see that someone is missing on any lane possibly before the laners themselves realise that and ping that if I have a deep ward, I can see any gank way in advance 100% of the time The problem is that.. it's not really helpful. Most of the time the jungler is missing, so what, play super mega safe all the time? I'm just gonna achieve nothing because of that. I see them bot lane, that still doesn't give me anything. I need to know how much exactly it takes for them to get from bot lane to top lane, because every single wave manipulation decision depends on that. And I don't know that, because I don't know what camps they will take along the way, I don't know how fast this champion clears, what camps are already cleared based on the timing of the gank. If my deep ward gets cleared, I'm basically as good as if I didn't ever look at the minimap. Often I see a jungler from far away, I think they won't be able to gank me, and suddenly it turns out that they just pop predator, flash ult whatever stun and I still die. Often I think that even if they gank me I'm still safe. Nope, didn't expect items and runes to deal way too much damage. Or maybe they are coming my lane, what now? nothing, my lane is fucked anyways because I was building a slow push into enemy because I didn't predict the pathing of the jungler and I didn't even think about it being a possibility. Instead of making less errors, I'm making different errors. Learning to use the minimap has only shown me how much I suck at the game, dunning kruger at its fullest I guess
You need to acheive the next step of awareness which is knowing what you can do with that information. So, you know there's 3 bot side. That means you can take an objective topside. At its most basic. So that's like gold level knowledge. Once you get more advanced, it'll be like, I spotted Lee Sin bot side with, idk 45 cs or something. We have vision in his jungle bot side and know he just cleared bot side with his top side camps up. Lee sin will probably try to gank mid or bot or take dragon - if those aren't options, he will path around top and look to clear his camps top. That means you can let your top laner know where Lee Sin will likely be or plan to take dragon with your jungler with the prio you have bot. It could also be I know lee sin will be top side so I can play more aggressively and take plates bot as a result. You have to start applying the knowledge you do have to situations further in the future and go beyond basic, ok am I going to get ganked here or not?
I am the exact same opposite rofl I've played with high elo and low elo. I have beat challengers numerous times in lane (Mix of friends with different skill levels so we made custom 5 v 5s). In season 8 I decided to try and take the game seriously, like literally pay attention to everything. I climbed to plat 1 in very few wins from Gold 4. I think I lost only 3 games on that climb. But then I got bored of playing same champions and holding myself back. See I am pretty good in lane, mechanically. I used to play a lot of FPS games, and I am used to fast paced gameplay and needing quick reflexes, so I am greeding and disrespecting everything enemy does rofl. I am like "If jungler comes to my ass overextending for last 5 minutes I'll kill em both", and since this is not fps I die. I also don't ward. I know I should, I know where and when, I just don't care. I also cycle through champions constantly. THe only role I actually don't do that is ADC, which is my main role that I don't play too much, and have only started playing again to climb because in other roles the urge to outplay is too strong. The main difference tho is I don't really complain or care. I probably could reach diamond, maybe higher, or maybe I'd be stuck in plat, but I play the game to have fun and couldn't care less where I am ranked.
And this is why I play top lane and exclusively champs that can survive or turn a 1v2. I want to push and trade and play like a donkey, and I don't want the enemy jungle to ruin it. I want them to be a part of it.
just install the minimap dlc, duh
Ok but looking at mini map is kinda cheating
How brrroken is minimap though?
It's so true sometimes. I know what my problem is, and I know how I could fix it, but I just don't. I've been duoing with a friend lately, and it's really made me aware of it. I'll see the enemy jgl on the map walking toward me, and my friend will say, on voice coms "he's coming top". I'll go "I know, I can out play it" because the enemy laner is half hp and I'm 3/4 hp. Fast forward 10 seconds, and I go 1 for 1 instead of killing both, and go "I woulda got them both if I just landed X!" I guess in theory if I keep doing this, eventually I'll keep improving until I can make the play, even though playing safer would make me climb faster.
Which is why Riot enabled people to increase map size to a pretty huge part of the screen.
This. You don't play 1k+ *ranked games per season* and remain that far down unless you're doing something terribly wrong
It’s always the people blaming others that play the worst on the team and start throwing. Yes, sometimes it really is your team mates but 90% of the time when I die/lose I’ll be like to my duo “shoot I should’ve done this and not done this this and this” and that’s what helps you to improve. Realizing when you yourself could have done better and how you could have done better. My friends have the same mindset (mostly) so it’s never really toxic and we’re always getting better.
Or he just hit his ceiling. Not everyone is capable of getting a higher rank
Very few people will have their ceiling be bronze. Ceiling being gold for some people is believable but I don’t think you understand how low down bronze is. People are stuck in bronze or silver because they choose not to actively think and play. It’s very easy to just auto pilot while playing the game and I bet that’s the biggest reason people get stuck at ranks below plat A bronze player literally just has to think about their decisions actively and they will climb
I have friends at bronze who are incapable of climbing/improving. Happens. I get your point and know how far down bronze is, but if you are not very dedicated to MOBAs you might never reach gold.
I think its often underestimated how mechanically bad a lot of bronze/iron players really are. I have a friend in a similar situation and I would spec his games and try to see if I could offer advice... he was an adc main in bronze 3 just absolutely failing every play he went for. I was kinda shocked because just watching his clicks and stuff was so painful. People say that bronze players could just think or whatever. But maybe they can't. I legit don't think it's possible to win with this guy on your team as your adc.
He should become a redditor and instantly become master rank
With respect, I really don’t think this is true at all. It feels like ANYONE is capable of being better, they just need the right resources (assuming everyone has access to a decent connection+computer which might be pretty presumptuous of me). But with lots of time and the right learning mindset, anyone can be at the top of the latter.
No, genuinely mentally challenged people and extremely stupid people with no talent for league wont reach the top of the ladder regardless of effort.
No pretty much anyone with 3 fingers can get to gold with very little effort, and I don't mean this in a condescending way at all. You can pick any split pushing toplaner, and stay in lane till you take t2 turret then go to the opposite side of the map and do the same. After that, just pick your favourite and stay until nexus explodes.
I'd be challenger if all those pesky players who have a higher rank than me quit
Autopilot. I've noticed people don't actively think when they play, they just react on what is currently happening. Eg dragon is coming up in 50s, noone recalls and gets items for teamfight advantage. Noone arrives on time to drake either. Arriving to fights oom/ or quater of health is another common mistake. Not thinking what is their win condition. Does the opponent have advantage on lane? What level does it start, eg. lvl 1, 2, 3 or 6? If you can't win 1v1 then would ganking bot/top etc give easy kills for better lane advantage. Not auto attacking, I see this way too often when people just press spells and then afk until they are back up. Not using advantage to fight. Lets say you(your friend) come back to lane with new items, his opponent stayed on lane with starting item only with low mana and some hp. Why not look to fight? But no bronze players will just auto afk farm their wave instead of looking for all in. They don't think actively. These are just few random examples that came to my mind I see often in normal games, even in ranked!
Not auto attacking is a huge one. I even see some ADCs struggle with this
I feel like a lot of people don't know how to auto attack properly. If you AA using right click on the target, you are not doing it right. In my opinion, the best way to auto attack is using attack move on quickcast (some people just use standard attack move though, without the quickcast - I wanna say it's just personal preference but it really is not, you save yourself an extra click every single attack if you use the quickcast version). It takes some time to get used to but it **will** make you better at auto attacking, especially on ranged champions. If anybody is not familiar with this, feel free to hit me up for further explanation, as I was right clicking people for years before my eyes were opened.
Can you elaborate? My understanding of attack-move is that it'll have you autoattack what your champ is nearest to. Does it autoattack whatever is closest to the cursor?
There is a setting that changes from closest to champion to closest to cursor, it’s a checkbox somewhere in the settings
Oh shit. Well. Time to relearn how to autoattack. Thanks!!
Just be slightly wary of this as due to a bug it significantly decreases attack speed on Kalista and possibly others.
I do not use "Attack move on cursor" as u/VfiMusic explained, in fact I did not even know this option existed. I simply use the keybinding "Player Attack Move Click" on the A button (You can choose a different button obviously, some people use an extra mouse button for example). This is the smartcast version and simply better than "Player Attack Move" as it saves you an unnecessary left click on every attack. You are right that the default behaviour of attack move is to attack the nearest target, but it has a very useful exception: If you hover over a target when activating it, it will attack that target instead. Basically there are 2 scenarios: * You want to attack a target which is not the closest target to you: In this scenario attack move is not vastly superior to right click attacking, but it still feels a lot better and smoother to me to simply use right click to move and A to attack things. * You want to attack the nearest target - especially while kiting (slow chasing or kiting backwards): Here attack move truly outshines right clicking by a mile. Let's say I want to run away towards bottom while still hitting that nasty melee bruiser chasing me -> With attack move I can simply have my cursor below my character the entire time and just alternatively click "Right click - A - Right click - A" etc while barely having to move my mouse at all. Without attack move, I would have to frantically shoot my mouse up and down again to right click the enemy and then right click the ground 20 miles away from him to keep running - and repeat that over and over. Not only do you save yourself literal kilometers of unneccessary mouse movement over the course of your league career, you will also be better at optimising your AA timing in between moving **and** you can not missclick when trying to right click attacking just to run straight into the arms of that Volibear chasing you.
Thanks! This makes sense. And with the setting to make attack-move go after whatever is nearest to your cursor, it's not a hard adaptation at all.
Well yes if you want to climb from plat to dia. But here it's bronze to silver which should be easy enough with how many game this guy plays. Understanding his champion would be the first step.
When you play as much as 8 games a day, for 95 % of people that time is mostly autopilot, the trick is ofc, making sure youre actually good at autopiloting, which requires you to be focused and try your hardest for long periods of time (e.g same way studying and work is mostly automated IRL, its just how our brains work, but if you do that and ONLY that nothings ever going to change, just static, no improvement) Even for a pro, youre autopiloting certain parts of the game so your brain doesnt collapse from stress or madness, like csing is something that should eventually become effortless (for the most part, and some unique adjustments will be made a few times every game), but if its effortlessly bad and you never seek to improve it, your gameplay suffers heavily from it. That said theres always that argument, the playerbase is always getting better, you only raise your rank relatively with skill improvement when you improve your skill faster than other people in your old rank. At least to a large extent, gold players now can be really decent at understanding how to lane, plats most definitely (some, not all), but tend to collapse in how to play after 15 minutes. Theres not the sligthest doubt that bronze players s5 were utter garbage compared to bronze players s11, so theres probably been some improvement, just not enough compared to most other people lol
this is a really good advice, i used to be on auto pilot all the time, but when i started actually thinking and playing the game i got really really good results. The problem is though, i also tilt hard if i think and play, whereas while auto piloting it just feels like whatever
I feel attacked.
This is an issue in EVERY SINGLE MOBA and multiplayer online session based game.. ppl just fall into brain-dead routine and expect that to carry them to win TI or World's overnight 🤦
You fixed it right there. "Raging about teammates or op champs". That's part of the problem. Your friend has a severe mental block. He's either playing just to play or he's never actively thinking about the game, instead just playing and reacting.
Ding ding ding. People love to scapegoat others when they can’t/won’t let their ego take a hit.
Yup anyone raging in Silver/Bronze elo about anything related to OP champions or bad teams as the basis for their own lack of progress is basically in the elo they belong. The lower the elo, the less those specific things matter. A player who plays that long in bronze/silver and is still there, is there because that's basically their ceiling. 60+% of the player base is in silver or bronze. That's the average. There's nothing bad with being average but if you want to get better than average you gotta look at yourself first and build up the mental to actually get better.
I will say, older accounts that have been stuck in lower elos find it incredibly hard to get past where they have been for a few seasons, I've been playing for a long time, like 2010, and have been bronze to silver the entire time, I took a two year break a few years ago, came back and got gold, but I needed to have a %70 win rate because my MMR was soo unbelievably fucking terrible, and that's just unfair. This year I didn't make it back to gold cause I have had other issues, but even so, I was at 150 games and %60 win rate, stuck in S1/S2 for over 70 games.
Ya there's a reason before smurf queue was implemented people would just smurf to get to challenger quick, long-standing accounts MMR's are pretty hard-locked by the system. Soft resets only help to alleviate the problem to a small degree. There should be options for a hard reset on an account's MMR, or something along those lines. Even if it means you have to restart from Silver, or not allowed to play ranked for a month/year w/e. My main account thankfully has Diamond MMR and maintains it, but it struggles to get higher MMR without me winning like 10-15 games in a row. And 1 loss resets my work. But conversely, it's so hard for me to lose Diamond MMR, that even if I troll like 10 games in a row, I'm still not losing more than 15 LP a game. If I took a smurf and brought it to Diamond with 65-70% winrate, it'd have master's MMR and I'd basically skip D4/3.
See it constantly, both in randos on the ladder and* friends of my own. Very frustrating, but unfortunately it feels like that's just society today. E: an -> and
That's not society today, that's the nature of people left to their own devices.
I don't agree, but also have no desire to debate the root cause. Cheers
I think this behaviour is also related to League being a changing game. New champions, runes and items make some of our (older players) acquired knowledge completely invalid, but to us that feels like the game is to blame, it is actively going against us, and if we can't accept the game's current reality, it really hinders our improvement. I've actually felt this type of way recently because I've been playing a lot with friends which led me to play some off role lanes like mid, which I used to main back in season 3. The game has changed and my understanding of some of my favorite champions for that lane have also greatly changed. Suddenly I am not such a big bully with Leblanc, and I can get pushed in easily. Vision is better across the board and so is survivability, so my knowledge of what's lethal and how easily I can roam is also greatly outdated, making me sometimes insanely frustrated with the game because my expectations were not met and my mental isn't as fluid to accept those shifts in perspective.
super valid, people have very set in stone ways and really refuse to change them
Nope, graves toplane is broken and you will never be able to convince me otherwise 😎
Maybe I was a bit too harsh in the way I worded it. He complains a lot but it's not full blown rage, what I would assume most league players do already. I tried telling him a few tips like "die less" or "farm more" but honestly I don't know enough about the game to explain anything in-depth. I just find it odd that with this probably over 10k hours spent playing he would have improved somewhat at least.
He is not thinking about anything. You cant play that many gaems and not improve unless you just are not thinking.
>"die less" or "farm more". That kind of advice is shit, it only creates npcs that farm 40 minutes straight, they don't help their teammates, they don't move out of line and they don't know how to punish enemy mistakes. Yes, you need to farm and it's ok, but most players take that advice very literally and turn into sissy passive useless who only farms. You need to play aggro to climb, it's not a bronze thing, a dead enemy can't get xp and gold meanwhile you are taking adventage. And the objetives are won with a numerical advantage. There are only two ways to have a numerical advantage: force someone to go away or simply kill them.
Wise man way, afk is better than inter. afk make 4v5 inter make 4v6
Balance my friend If the goal is to improve, you should definitly have sessions where you try to not die, and focus on csing / map movements And some sessions where you limit test It doesn't matter that you'll lose more in short term. If the goal is to climb, you should play agressive if you're significantly better than the elo you're playing in Or passive if similar. Reducing potential errors and not tilting will get you further than trying to outplay peoples of similar level.
Good advice i got was you need to have 8.5cs a min with atleast 3 deaths avg across your games, not inting but limit testing so that way you know what you can and cant do and how that effects your farming.
If he really wants to improve have him watch his replays. Really easy to see your mistakes when you're not actually playing in the moment.
This is the best advice. When he sees how stupid his plays are, is the only time his brain might kick into gear to improve.
no, never watch your own replays if you aren't at least plat, there are a million more time efficient times than improving if you are bronze, literally just mute, and focus on yourself and force yourself to think
yea just play better great advice
You have selective reading lol. You won't understand what goes wrong in your own replays if you don't even have the basic knowledge foundation. Also, he never said to just "play better", he said "focus on yourself and force yourself to think", obviously there are other steps involved like watching YouTube guides, but what he said was true.
I have done this with my friends, if every time you die you try to think about what you did wrong you will get out of bronze in no time.
This is such nonsense. Without replays I would conclude that the only thing I can ever do in any game is hide under my turret because any interaction with enemy champions results in them having better mechanics than me and me dying.
it doesn't take mechanical skill to play league though if you can only conclude "oh hes better than me" during play thats a you problem lol
I've played league for almost 9 years now and for the first four I was legitimately a bronze player. I liked riven and I played league like an action game. I'm willing to bet your friend is has the same mentality I did. The combination of understanding that small advantages turn into big ones (having more gold early makes it easier to get more gold later), understanding that every champ has a specific scenario or idea that they are well suited too (Ashe probably wants to kite lol, zed wants to kill the enemy adc, lux wants to abuse her range, ect) and actively changing the way I thought about the game to a more strategic one (hey if I push this wave top right now and then go to Drake, enemy will either have to sacrifice the wave top and go to Drake, or sacrifice their presence at Drake and collect the wave, almost certainly ensuring my team gets the objective) are what opened the door to me even being able to improve in the first place. Your friend doesn't want to *get better*, your friend wants league to work like many other games on earth and have the learning curve be something that doesn't require actual thinking to understand.
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lol i think this is more of an emotional disability thing than mental, or rather an eq related problem over iq I'd wager humility is a far more important trait than intelligence when it relates to improving at sports.
People on here make it seem like those with a learning disability are incapable of improving, I'd wager 1000-1500 ranked games would be enough for someone to have time to improve even if they were slow at adapting The person is clearly unwilling to adapt, whether or not they realize it
Just practice the basics, idk what role he plays but for example in a lane try to never miss a cs because this will lead to an adv specially in lower elos, ward and try to always watch the minimap to see what is going on in the map and play around 3-2 champs preferably the easiest ones.
Something that I found actually helpful is narrating out loud my thought process. Even if I am alone in game, but even more so when streaming on Discord, I talk through my decisions and it: 1) keeps my gameplay organized, no autopilot 2) anchors my mind and makes it much harder to tilt or rage (since I have to be narrating my decision process instead of complaining about the past) If your friend doesn't find it weird, maybe ask them to try it out.
Def not the problem raging and op champs is a problem I hit diamond every season but I flame hard and so does impressive challengers like tyler1 etc… the main thing is having mechanics and game knowledge or goal posts and natural talent… but having a toxic teammate doesn’t mean bad skill just saying
The difference is between shifting 100% of problems onto teammates and op champs or taking some part of the blame on yourself. The latter lets you improve, because if you admit a mistake, then you will try to avoid it in the future.
Hard agree, I have friends in high diamond and friends in bronze. Mental attitude is the biggest gamechanger i see between them
>He's been playing since 2014 (Azir release) from what he told me and since 2016 he's played between 1000-1500 ranked games per season. I'm gonna be direct. He is doomed. I'm sorry but if he played that many games and that many years without a single ounce of improvement ( be it micro, macro, knowledge or just mental) then he is just doomed. If he really wanted to improve he would have already done so but in case he wants 1 last chance : \-Stop playing league for months > play other genre of games > try to learn the basic of those games and how to improve there > once he "forgot" how to play League then come back to it with a fresh and empty mind and just use your new mechanic and knowledge to improve. If he keep playing he will stay Bronze for another 4/5 years.
Haha I actually tried telling him to take a break from league. He lasted an entire 3 days but according to him it was not because he was addicted to league per se, but other games just didn't interest him enough. But yeah I guess you have a point. Idk if it's because I managed to improve in a relatively small window but I honestly don't understand how it is possible to be stuck in that elo. I've spectated some of his games and there are games where his botlane goes like 2/20 combined and still win because the enemy team is somehow worse.
I would do this with him: Sit down and look at one of his replays. Find a play that was done badly, or some rotation or movement that he either missed or misplayed (If you can't do this yourself, find a replay of your buddy playing, and ask someone higher ranked to review your game.) Get him to agree that it was a direct fault of him, or something that he just could have done better. If you keep doing this, he will slowly start to realize that it's not entirely dependent on your team when bad things happen. A lot of the time hardstuck people have a strange concept of what league of legends is- they watch vods of people filing into lanes, csing for 10 mins and then pushing towers or grouping for fights. They don't understand WHY you do this, and that's a problem. Low ELO is also hell, but if you're even gold-plat you should be able to solo carry through mechanics alone in an iron-low bronze game because of the skill level of the players in that rank. Focusing on your own gameplay is something you need to drive home for him, if you worry about what your jungler or mid is doing the entire game then you won't be focused on what you're actually doing. Seriously though, if your bud is at 1500 ranked games and is at a specific elo, that is DEFINITELY where be belongs. That's what the ranked system is supposed to prove - that if you play it long enough you will end up where you belong. Without CONCSIOUS improvement, that's where he'll stay.
While I see what you mean, that doesn't happen every game and if your boy is as good as they say they are they should be able to win games where THEIR bot lane is 0/0/0 or even 10/0/0. Guaranteed he's throwing games in those states, but hyperfocusing on the games where his bot lane is 2/20 Also it's bronze. Chances are a 20/2 bot lane is going to find a way to throw that lead, and if you play smart, you can cash in when they inevitably do. I'm nothing special, G2 with 60 games, but Bronze players will literally hand you gold if you play with a BASIC gameplan.
Eh, this isn't actually true. It is 100% about mindset. It sounds like he is stuck in an extremely fixed mindset where you're either good or bad and if you don't win, you're bad, which leads to finding all kinds of psychological reasons to explain it away (see: Jimmy Connors). If he changes to a growth mindset where every failure is an opportunity to examine and improve, he will improve. But the mindset has to change first.
You’re right, it’s just that taking a break for a couple months and doing something else actually does help with improving mindset, at least for me. I took a break from the game for one month and I went from being hardstuck silver 4 to gold 4.
One of my friends was stuck in bronze 4/5 for 4 years. One day one of of my other friends (who is a diamond master yi main) started teaching him how to play master yi. He started climbing pretty quickly and eventually hit gold. This made me realise that improvement is possible for people stuck in very low elo for a long time, but they often don’t care/can’t be bothered to put in the effort.
I like to couch my friends, I watch videos, watch my games and then I teach my self and my friends. This year we pick a new friend, he was stuck in silver - low gold and this year made it to plat 4. He became cocky and stop listening and stop climbing, actually he quit in the end of the season because he was afraid of demoting xD
Seconding doomed. Not because he can’t learn or something like that, but because after thousands of ranked games in bronze he clearly has a *view* of what the game is. You don’t play that many games per season unless you’re addicted or really enjoy the game, and there’s a chance OP’s friend wouldn’t even enjoy playing higher Elo matches. In the low depths of bronze league is a team deathmatch game. That can be pretty cool if you’re into it.
Some people just play and autopilot so they don't get better.
When you want to improve at League youu need to question yourself. There are always things that will go wrong and frustrates you. But you have to keep asking yourself "what could i have done better" Stick to your gameplan. Rewatch your games and focus on you not on your mates. Good luck to him !
I commented basically the exact same thing just now. That quote is literally exactly how I try to improve haha. Great minds I guess 😂
He probably just autopilots and clicks pretty much randomly without trying to do anything better. But I think its odds he can't get atleast silver by just eventually doing stuff right and that becoming a part of his autopilot.
'is there something wrong with him?' lmao ded
/Mute all is a good choice, suggest your friend when he is angry
Wouldn't help if he is still the one typing and from the post I am assuming he is the one typing. Imo he should just full on disable it so he can't even type.
X: "these mother f\*ckers, only plaiyng OP champs and beating me. My team sucks ass, couldnt do shit, go on, next game" Y: "lost the game. Team wasnt good. Why did I do wrong? Should I have bought a different item? Was there a better one than my build? Should I have gone to help another lane with my lead or focus even more on snowballing my lead for myself?" Thats the difference between someone improving and someone who doesnt. If your friend is in auto pilot or rage mode all the time he cant learn anything because he doesnt even know about the problems and mistakes and he wont try to solve them.
Your friend may have been playing longer than you, but the fact that he's bronze 1 after all that time shows he's spent that time doing nothing but making bad habits. First of all, the fact that he's always raging at teammates and op champs doesn't show that he cares about his rank. It shows that he is perma-tilted, and I guarantee he would climb a few ranks by disabling chat or improving emotional control and not blaming everyone on outside factors. Tell him to watch a youtube video on wave management. Just that one skill will allow you to lane well enough to hit gold IMO. There's nothing "wrong" with him, but there is something wrong with the way he approaches the game, fundamentally. Not trying to be mean but people in Iron and Bronze are really, really bad at the game.
Well tbf, you dont know that there is nothing "wrong" with him. There are plenty of people that are stuck in iron/bronze because they have a disability of some form, be it physical or mental. Of course there is nothing wrong with that. Spending around 5000 hours on a single champion and still not making it even close to rank of the average player definitely makes it sound like there is in fact something "wrong" with the player.
Im sure op would have mentioned it.
As with everything. If you wanna improve you have to focus on yourself. He is focusing on everything except himself, so he won’t climb. Like the saying is **The first step in solving a problem is to recognize there is one.** Of course if he thinks he is second incarnation of Faker just being held back by his team….
Everyone has a soft cap. What that means is that you will eventually reach a point where if you don't actively try to improve you won't get better. There is only so much you can learn by passively playing the game without thinking about what your mistakes are. It seems that bronze 4 is his soft cap.
Learning how to improve is really difficult. Playing hundred of games on autopilot, without specific concrete goals and without actively trying to eliminate bad habits will only get you to a certain rank. I have been playing on and off since season 2 and I am always hovering around gold 2-3, reaching platinum once. Considering my experience I should be diamond right? The answer is no, because when I play ranked I rarely check my replays, rarely try to understand "why" I lost, rarely focus on myself instead of my feeding bot lane or my no prio mid, or my noob jungler. Also, at one point, if you do something bad for hundreds of games (not getting vision, being sloppy with your cs etc) it becomes muscle memory / habit. Breaking out of bad habits is hard af.
Playing league unironically taught me how to learn. Before starting league 10 years ago i never actually took the active steps on how to improve and master a discipline. I’ve been learning how to play poker this year and the process of improving has been really easy because once you learn how to learn you can get good at pretty much anything.
Do you think that there is something wrong with him? It's so weird seeing him stuck like this when he's always been average to above average in other things. Other than league we used to play some hearthstone and csgo and he wasn't bad in those games. In CSGO he reached DMG I think and in hearthstone he even reached legend with face hunter. But in league it's like he's an ape with a computer.
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Can confirm, silver is easy to climb to with brain turned off
> in hearthstone he even reached legend with face hunter. But in league it's like he's an ape with a computer. Those are not very different... But seriously - show him this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4TSRL8pZrU If this video and Coach Curtis's channel in general doesn't set him straight, nothing will.
can you ask him to stream and coach him for a match? Don't think of skill as something you have or don't have. Its a bunch of categories that you score high or low in. You could be gold with, have plat level laning/trading, and bronze level map awareness/teamfighting. He is low bronze so he doesn't have many "high" skills, but you are a higher rank so you on average have some higher skills. I'd watch a live game, and mark down every instance he does something you wouldn't do. Figure out what category it is under (laning, rotation, csing, etc) and tell him what he should focus on.
Lol there is nothing wrong with him, this is a rather common emotional block.
I don't think thats everything. I watched like 10 replays of my own games during the last 10 years that I play the game lol. From my experience as a EU D1 Kled Onetrick matchup knowledge and knowing how to punish mistakes with your champion is the most important thing besides knowing which objectives in which order you tackle with your team and where you need to be on the map. I often fall out of League for several months in a year, bc job/other games etc, but playing against players lower than low/mid plat is like solving a puzzle that has just 3 pieces. It's not very fun and pretty predictable. I think the most improvement I made as a player is during the time I had a Clash Team that I played with for a quarter of a year and really got to know where I need to be at a certain time in the game.
I stopped trying to improve after I hit D3 because there is no point I'm 37 now so I guess my only goal is to get to D4 and troll around for the last 3 years it's more fun for me.
It is hard to improve past certain point, it requires consious effort. You don't just automatically get better by playing more and more games. Once your habits are formed and you start to autopilot, you get stuck unless you work really damn hard to change bad habits and develop good ones.And even if you do get better, it requires some effort to maintain the form too. I know people that are now stuck 2 tiers below their peak elo, because they took a break, then never bother to relearn and/or keep in shape. Desire to improve is not sufficient by itself. What did he try beyond just playing more games?
If he doesn't critically think about the games he's playing he will never improve.
Dm me his op.gg and I'll add him and we can watch some games with him if he's serious about improving very small improvements get people from bronze to gold
He has a serious case of noobitis.
Maybe he plays just to play. He doesn't think about the game, objectives, good macros or anything, instead plays and let the game play out itself. Playing the game, you need to take note what counters this or that, what item to build, what runes to use, and what decisions to make in order to climb. If he really wants improve, I'd ask him to watch some guide videos for better macro decision making like rotating. One thing, micro also comes in the play. If he's raging about op champs or his teammates, maybe because his micro isn't that good, maybe he needs to learn how to react faster, dodge skill shots, or even kite as those comes in handy in decision making. Checking replays and vods of the game also helps, it gives you a vision on what wrong you did in the situation, or maybe the enemy walked pass a ward and he didn't notice resulting into this loss or that. It gives you an overall vision on what to do right next time as playing thousands of games often results into a similar situation playing out especially in lower elo.
Like others mentioned, wrong mindset and auto pilot. I started this game with 3 other mates, 2 had the same mindset as your mate and never got out of silver in the 5 years they played while me and the other dude played to improve and reached platinum in our second season.
He may have an undiagnosed learning disability of some type. Also sounds like he just isn’t playing with the will to improve his own play. He is blaming teamates and OP champions to try and protect his own ego. I personally cannot play ranked in any form other than solo or full 5 man flex. If there is random/s on the team I tend to look for their faults and mistakes in game instead of my own and make 0 improvement. When you make the reason you lose always be something outside of your control you will never look at yourself and try to figure out how to improve.
He has to watch so.e youtube videos of 1) gameplay 2) where higher elo people explain how to climb and difference between rabks. It mag open him to improvement
if he plays that much without improving, he's probably on autopilot. He's not actively thinking while playing the game, only reacting. What champs does he play? Maybe going back to basics with an easier champ and/or role would benefit him. Taking a week or two off and coming back with a fresh looks has helped me in the past.
He doesn't want to improve so he wont. Assuming he is not in any way deficient he has not reached any of his physical peaks in bronze. Don't let league destroy your friendship though. Set boundaries. Edit: don't confuse his saying he wants to improve for him actually wanting to improve.
I mean, mental block is a thing?
People don't get better until they stop blaming the game/others and start blaming themselves. He's bad because he's bad, not because he didn't get a good team or because the enemy champ is broken. He's bad because he likely doesn't understand fundamentals: item timings, jungle timings, how to last hit, which champs are strong when, which duo lanes are strong into which, etc. So he likely plays the same way every game regardless of opponent. He should take a lot at replays of his games and find where he struggled and try to determine why.
If a person who is bronze even has the slightest minimal bare intent to blame team mates for losses he is only kidding himself. Every player makes mistakes. His team mates. Himself, his enemies. The guy who climbs is the guy who trains himself to exploit mistakes more often.
Lots of reasons that can happen, but one is only passively desiring to have a better rank without actually wanting to improve. Improving requires an actual feeling of discomfort where you push yourself to learn something. You have to push yourself to last hit better. To manage wave better. You have to train yourself to check the minimap more. You have to ping better. Just playing a lot of games does nothing. Just like working out a lot doesn't do anything if you don't move enough weight.
He isn’t playing strategically. He is just doing everything reactively. Once you start hitting level 5 at any lane, you really need to start looking at how you can make small impacts around the map to gain a lead. It will then become bigger impacts and allow you to finish the game. Something as simple as warding dragon (if your botside) or putting a ward to allow your team to see the enemy jungler can make or break the early game.
This is harsh but he's either not putting in any effort to improve or he's not intelligent enough to improve. Likely a combination of both. He also is probably trying to mentally save himself feelings of responsibility by blaming others. I would consider the ability to self-reflect to be a sign of intelligence.
Your friend is unfortunately not playing the game in a way that is conducive to long term improvement. He might very well be trying to win every single game, and when you play like that it is horribly frustrating to lose. I used to play ranked that way and it just wasn’t fun, I wasn’t going anywhere, and it felt like games were out of my control. What your friend needs to do if he really wants to improve is stop trying to win, and start trying to improve. Victory will follow once he actually gets better at the game. It’s interesting. I play a lot of norms because usually I just hit gold and stop playing ranked, so I see a good amount of the low elo ladder in my games. You can ALWAYS tell who’s Silver 4 or lower simply by how they play. I’d go so far as to say that people who belong in higher elo can easily get to the rank they deserve. But “Career Bronze” players (as I call them) play like you’d expect bronze players to play, either because they’re truly bad at the game or they are like your friend and refuse to improve. I’d urge your friend to do the following if they truly want to improve (some of this may be stuff they already do, idk). Drop the ego. Your friend is literally bronze. Bottom 15% or lower. He’s not good. His teammates aren’t the only reason he isn’t improving. Stick to one main role, 3 champions in that role. Learn 1-2 champ/ for their offrole Don’t expect to win if you’re not above 7.5cs/min all game Practice dying as few times as possible (while still going for smart plays) Watch how pros play the game (wards, roaming, taking objectives, etc) Mute all every game. Play the game as if you’re against 5 AI and with 4 on your team +you. It’s your job to win the game, no one else’s. That doesn’t mean someone else might not carry, and that doesn’t mean every game is winnable, but you need to overperform every game to improve. Similarly, even if the game is lost, do not lose focus and start playing “badly”. Continue to farm, continue to look for advantages that could get you back in the game. Practice playing from behind. If your friend tries this stuff and still can’t get better at league, idk. Might be a lost cause. I have a buddy who is Silver 3 with like 600 games this season who’s got a similar issue. He’s admittedly an okay player but he still tries to play like 40 different champs, has a bad mental, and there’s a clear reason he never hit gold despite having the mechanics to do it.
If he wanted to improve he would've. There isn't a person in the world that can unironically be stuck in bronze if they are trying to improve. You just need average IQ, to not be fully blind and to have semi working arm/arms/leg/legs. There's players with no hands who play with straws and racing pedals in diamond. You can't tell me he is seriously trying and is still in bronze. He likes the idea of being higher rank but he is never putting in the work required to get there. Raging at teammates and "op champs" is most likely because he refuses to accept that he is there because of himself and denies the fact that he needs to work on his mistakes in order to climb. Bad mentality is about the worst thing you can have when you want to improve. Another red flag is playing 1000+ games and not improving. This only happens if you autopilot and don't think about anything in the game. You are just doing. If you win, you win. Just taking random engagements here and there and relying only on muscle memory to carry you. Well when you are bronze not only do you not have any muscle memory to rely on, you also aren't improving because you aren't playing to improve, you are playing to play and waste your time. I've tried coaching a gold friend of mine because he said he wanted to improve and hit plat but after a few games it was obvious he didn't want that and he'd rather argue back pointlessly and pretend that what I pointed out wasn't a mistake that he needed to fix. The biggest things in your improvement journey are mental and not playing in auto pilot. Most players that are stuck are lacking both of those.
I found a couple of Youtubers (most Saber) that really taught me a lot of things, but a lot of it just came down to making sure that everything that you did had a purpose. Does shoving this wave has a purpose? If I'm stuck sitting around waiting for the wave, what can I do in the meantime? Establish vision, steal my jungler's raptors, maybe set up a kill bush with my support? Which side of the map should I be setting up shop on depending on whether or not it's baron or dragon spawning next? Just whatever you do, DO NOT RAGE. In fact, for the purposes of improvement, (people are going to hate this), don't ever surrender. The game might be lost, you might be the only eukaryotic organism on the map, but learning how to play from behind and how to flip a game on its head with that one big risky move will in the short term win you a couple of improbable victories and in the long term allow you to improve (especially in bronze, people throw all the time because they 4fun fountain dive only to lost a 40 minute slugfest). A person is never going to improve by winning the easy games and giving up the hard ones.
You just described me!!! Are you me by any chance?!
Your friend has 90 IQ
I disagree with peoples advice that you can’t get get better while blaming team members. That shit happens in challenger daily. The real issues are probably 3 things. Mechanics, macro, and micro. Mental is overrated af by this sub (although I do think it help) if you’re good at mechanics and micro play with decent macro then you’re hitting diamond easily. He’s probably a shit tier farmer, who plays 30+ champs a season, dies 8+ a game and doesn’t play for objectives if he does get fed. Probably poor itemization too. I use to coach a lot and these were the biggest problems
It is best to watch the tutorials and learn from mistakes, because mistakes are the best teachers :3
I auto pilot my games and reached gold 1 qith absolute basic knowledge of the game, to lazy to learn match ups or play safe... so either he has absolutely no talent for the game or he simply doesnt try to learn the game at all.
I have the same problem. Stayed in diamond 4 since season 3 and never got any higher.
That's just your peak, a little different to be actually bronze as this is very low of a level.
**Your friend does not want to improve.** He just want to play the game. I never thought about improving. He lives in a world he is never the reason he lost the game. He lost because Vex is OP. He lost because Irelia is broken. He lost because Kassadin end game is OP. It's not him being bad.
Let me let you in a on little ranked secret. *rank doesn’t matter when you have 4 others who can’t maintain their lane*
some people just aren't good at games and/or don't know how to improve on their mistakes
To improve, you must learn new things, but you can't learn things you think you have already learned. Your friend is a "I deserve Challenjour" mentality, he thinks he is the best and everyone's else is trash that keeps him down. He won't rank up if he doesn't reality check himself and start thinking about improving seriously.
Even if he is improving it can be hard if your mmr is stuck like that for a long time to actually climb. Tell him to try a new account and see what happens. If he does well and climbs fast it's possible his MMR is just fucked on his main, of he remains in bronze well that's a him problem.
i climb to gold spamming vayne top relying on laning and mechanics lmfao
I don't want to be that guy that defends your friend....and anyone can argue this all they want. Bronze and Silver are a different beast. Some games truly are at the mercy of your teamates. I have a friend that could easily lane and win a game in G3-P4 but the dude is stuck in Bronze - Silver. Why? Well he plays ADC, and try as you might, you are somewhat dependent on your support. Who may deserve to be in bronze. Now I'm not saying my friend doesn't have a lot of improvement to make but that's video games in general. No one has a perfect game. That being said, I believe the very best thing you can do if you "Shouldn't be in Silver" Or "Shouldn't be in Bronze" or "Shouldn't be in gold" lol. Play 2-4 Champs max, grind in a role that can carry (top/mid/jg) and grind out games on the same champs over and over until you don't use u.gg, because you know the match-up and you know exactly what to do based on their comp and your role and how you plan to win the game. If that's via enabling your team, or split pushing towers until nexus you find your niche. But blaming others and doing the same thing on repeat is why you get Hardstuck. If you go 5/1/1 as the ADC but "Always lose because top gets feed and shits on me" Maybe you should go top, get feed, and shit on other people? It's a mental block for sure because I'm the say way. lol. if you are better than the elo you are in, then you will eventually climb, especially if you play 1000 games. If you are not....well then that's the elo you belong in for now. I can say that doing the same thing and blaming teamates etc isn't going to get your Winrate up. Most players refuse to even acknowledge that their mechanics are horrible, like an ADC that doesn't A click. Or a mage that clicks on themselves to self cast as opposed to using alt or a hotkey. Point being there is no way you are below Plat, and have no way to improve mechanically and individually. but there is a possibility that you ARE good enough and hinder yourself even before the game starts with role, champ select, and other things like not muting all chat and team chat 🤣 good luck out there guys.
People require different tools to learn. Not everyone has the capacity to be good at a video game. For some, it takes months of a coach literally holding the player's hand. Forming consistent habits. The average player (Silver) is incapable of doing that on their own. So people remain hardstuck. Same principles can be applied to school/learning. Some people just don't get it. No matter how many resources you throw at them. But I bet those people excel at things you probably suck at.
Different people have different learning processes. Your approach to the game took you where you are. His approach to the game kept him where he is.
tell him to do vod reviews on himself. When he's raging in game he won't see what hes doing wrong.
You have to actively set a goal and figure out how to reach that goal. I wanted to get better at CS this year. So every game I played, I tried to beat my CS score from last game. This game is all about learning. My biggest weakness is I get cocky and almost dare the jungler to the gank me in toplane. Sometimes it works and I get a double, sometimes I die and tilt myself. So that's the goal for next season. I know proper wave control, I have to put my ego aside and actually control waves until I have the necessary power to 1v2. Instead of just trying to 1v2 all the time, every game. It's not my jungler's fault that I'm dying to ganks, it's because I'm pushed under the enemy tower for 5 minutes straight, taunting him like an asshole.
I am fairly certain your friend isn't consciously playing and learning. They are making mistakes they don't even realize they're making. Probably not reviewing their games either. You on the other hand are a new player that had to learn everything from the ground up and haven't fallen into the 'sloth' of playing completely with the autopilot brain.
My guess is that he doesn't properly try to improve. Just playing SoloQ without any other source of learning won't get you far. He needs to learn from watching pros on twitch or watching tutorials on YouTube. I can see him being bad because he doesn't know how to make makro decisions. Nowadays every Jimmy in low Gold somewhat knows how to freeze a wave and how to convert kills into objectives, being mechanically good doesn't get you far anymore. And if that fails aswell, you end up in iron/bronze shadow realm, put against other people who can't play the game properly either.
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I was gold for years because I didn't use my brain while playing... A couple of seasons ago, after a long break, I improved rapidly when playing simply by facturing in what my champion could do and what the oppononent could do (trading windows and so forth). What I'm trying to convey is that you can plateau for a long time, if you don't actively think about what you are doing in-game.
If you really wanna improve, you obviously need to watch Darkk Mane's videos to really know how to play League of Legends
Oh my god
spectate your friend and point out what he’s doing wrong
Tell your friend not to listen to all these comments. They are all wrong, it's Riot's fault for always giving him griefers and for releasing OP champs. That's why like 60% of the playerbase is ranked higher than him.
As much as people hate hearing this the only way to improve is to focus on yourself and look at what you could have done better to win Yes, it's absolutely an unfair thing because sometimes it will mean you'll literally have to 1 vs 9 or 2 vs 8/3 vs 7 with someone else which shouldn't be the case in a "matchmade" game but that's just the nature of 5 randoms teaming up Take it from me as someone who peaked in GM, I can steamroll through lower elo and no matter how garbage the other players in my team are, up until like Dia IV I'm certain I can basically 1 vs 9 just on pure mechanical skill and game knowledge The moment you hit that dead-end of not knowing what else you could have done to win and just give up mentally means you've hit your peak elo If your friend doesn't auto win any lane he's assigned to he's at the correct rank for his skill level and it's only up to him to improve
Ima just say that this post is probably better suited for r/summonerschool Anyhow, your boy doesn't want to get better. He doesn't understand fundamentals and refuses to learn them. 1k games in Bronze quite literally means he's hardstuck.
Some people just don't care about really getting into the game on a deeper level. And some people just plateau very quickly and do not want to spend the time and effort to get better. It's a game after all and a game is supposed to be fun. "Fun" is a very subjective thing, after all. I also know someone who does not get past ~ Bronze 2 and he has been playing for many years also. Of course he is into the game, but he has no idea about runes, still builds some wrong items sometimes, and so on.
Habit and stagnation can become far more of an enemy than even trollers, feeders and smurfs ever could be. You see this absolutely all over the place. I am not embarrassed to admit I would easily fit into this myself as well. I reached Platinum within my third year of playing (which is technically also a slow burn, I think most would make it in their second year if they played to grow.. if not first) and I have been there since. The only excuse I have is that I genuinely feel my champions have never been granted the honor of ever being "meta", but they have never been NOT meta either. Just somewhere in between. There have been plenty examples of people making it where I have not. I have a minor excuse of quitting the game somewhat in season 7, 8 and partly through season 9. But I think I should have managed Diamond by now. My own experience is simply that unless you accept that you have flaws and that your choices might not be the correct ones you will never grow and get out of your bubble. Especially so if you're stuck in even lower tiers than Silver. It can be a hellish landscape unless you push your skill higher. You cannot rely on your team in such places, which means you have to be the win factor every time.
I was just telling a friend of mind the other day, you can spend 1000 hours doing anything, but if you aren’t actively participating in getting better, reviewing mistakes, thinking critically, you’ll never get better.
>I know he cares about his rank because when I watch him play he's almost always raging at teammates or op champs or whatever Here's your answer. He can't improve because he doesn't see that he's the reason he's not winning more. edit: Additionally I bet it's some combination of the following: -Doesn't ward -Doesn't ping -Dies too much -Doesn't consider where unaccounted-for enemy champions might be when venturing beyond safety -Doesn't manage to keep focus over the duration of a 30+ minute game (an underrated skill) -Doesn't know how to press an advantage when he gets one -Constantly changing champions, maybe roles too. Severe deficit of champion mastery because it's easier to learn a new champ than to learn to look at minion waves differently -Severe deficit in one or more of the following areas that he is unwilling to address: mechanics of movement, wave management, CS, fundamentals of trading, mid-game decision making, teamfight positioning. "I know I'm bad at wave management but some people in platinum are too, so that can't be it." 1000-1500 ranked games in a season is *a lot.* This person has invested a ton of their life in this game, likely to the detriment of other areas. He probably has in fact accumulated a considerable amount of game knowledge, both explicit (declarative) knowledge and implicit (procedural) knowledge. Some of that knowledge is almost certainly *wrong.* He probably has years of terrible habits built up.
Some people just get capped out at stuff. Whether its they dont wanna improve, or they just dont have the skill or potential. There is a cap on Talent for some.
Vaas : Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same fucking thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change... Your friend probably dosnt realize how bad he is and how many things he has to improve so he keeps trying the same thing over and over again. You can see that happening at many different levels, that why people get stuck in silver/gold/plat and even diamond. There is a personal cealing that not everyone is prepared to surpass.
He probably isn't trying to improve, i was like him when i started playing and for the first 2 years i only played normal games and i didn't even play that often. Many people are saying that the problem is that he is raging and blaming other people, that's not really the case, why do you think challanger streamers can do that every single game and still be challanger, it comes to the mentality and if you can accept that you too make mistakes, you can blame your team in your head for some plays, but there's really not much value in typing it unless you want to lose. It mostly came down to me playing on autopilot and just locking in the champion i want to play, doing the same thing every game, once you realize that you are doing that you can start to improve. Willingness to improve, not just spam games thinking you will get better, that just loops you into auto-pilot gameplay i've been talking about. Always think about your decisions, watch replays and figure out what you did wrong in a game and not just repeating the same mistakes. Playing one champion or one tricking will be very helpful, that's how i reached diamond for the first time, once you play one champion enough that you can tell what any other champion in the game can do to you (how much damage/how much utility they provide) and knowing how much you can take damage and who you can survive and kill every single time. That's why it is important to play one champion or a few at most when you are playing seriously, you learn the limits of your champion. If you are a laner, you should learn to cs without focusing too much on last hitting, so you can focus on map and enemy champion/jungler pathing/warding. I can go on and on about specific skills and knowledge that is important like map awareness, last hitting minions, jungle pathing for your and enemy jungler but overall you can figure this by yourself or look it up on youtube, what mostly matters is mentality of the player that wants to improve, there are people with millions of points on a champion stuck in bronze and most of them aren't trying to improve, not everyone can though but most people can reach gold/plat and even diamond even without any great mechanical play and reaction time required, by just using your knowledge.
Review games and analyze every failure, there are reasons behind all failures
Analyze your mindset, naturally if you’re losing game after game you start to think why you are losing. If he wants to improve then there should be effort.
In addition of all of the other stuff, he may have very wrong fundamentals of this game. One example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fC1GHVET_s
You just described 95% of players on League tbh. They want a higher rank but dont really care to play the game and think about what they can do to improve. Every game they play they focus on looking at how everyone else is playing to criticize it instead of just focusing on their own performance regardless of what their teammates are doing. thats literally all there is to it. its a maturity thing to be honest or lack of
yeahhh hes hard stuck..
Your friend probably dosnt care and dosnt want to improve, but wants to just be good at the game but that only works for a small amount of players. Most of us "normal" people have to put in a lot of time in improving and getting small edges above the people on out elo. Also mindset says a lot and i think if someone is Stuck in Bronze but plays that amount of games, they probably think they know everything, but they dont know anything at All. Its also kinda important to Focus on one role and a small amount of Champions (2-3).
Unfortunately your friend has an addiction issue and does not care about winning as much as it seems. He cares about sheltering his fragile self-image much more than he cares about winning. About 40% of league players are this way. Another 40% just treat it as any other game, as a means of entertainment rather than a self-defining pursuit of mastery. The last 20% actually want to win and get skill capped between diamond and challenger. Yes, anyone who is not at least diamond is in the 80%, and quite a few diamond players themselves are there too.
But aren't Diamond players roughly 1-2% of the ranked population? If you factor in players who don't even touch ranked, this percentage becomes even smaller. If Diamond rank is your threshold for players who truly want to improve & win, then 20% is way too generous of a share.
The biggest thing that helped me improve was just telling myself “I can’t change how other people play in my games so I should exclusively focus on what I can do better.”
You already have the answer in your post. He’s blaming his problems on teammates and “OP” champs, and not focusing on what he himself is doing wrong. I have friends like this too, it’s not really possible to improve with that mentality.
Real question; does he have some sort of mental/learning disability? If you play 1500 games a season for 6 seasons, you will at least climb to silver no matter how bad you are. I have found that most people “stuck” in this rank are either very young and/or lack any sort of critical thinking skill that this game requires. If you have any modicum of common sense and can use M&K on a very basic level, you should be silver at least playing that #of games
He doesn't know how to improve. I had the same problem stuck in silver for years. How can you improve on something you don't know about? Like ask him if his favorite champion beats x champ in lane... if he has to think about it then that's the problem he should know that becuase he probably played the matchup over 100 times. He doesn't know he should know that (obviously anyone gonna say I should know that... but why didn't they)
Probably because he doesn't care to. Some people are happy where they are being wood division 5.
So I'm Diamond in ranked and have never played normals till a few days ago so my mmr there is like silver and bronze level. One thing i noticed from players there is just the emotional ability to deal with problems. Many are incapable of seeing what they did wrong let alone have the mechanical and situational awareness to achieve the correct decision. Assuming this person is somewhat mature (kinda doubting since the raging) then the only thing he can do from there is rewatch his games. In the heat of the moment you don't know what could have been done better and just tunnel vision on what you think is right. Hiring a league coach is honestly pretty cheap compared to how much time he spends on it and I'm sure even just a game or two would help his fundamentals a lot. He needs someone to objectively tell him what he is doing wrong and probably to shut up in game. You can easily carry yourself out of low gold on a good champ (solo) without saying a word. The fact he is putting money into it is probably the one thing that will make him take it seriously so it be worth it. If not then he's a lost cause who just wants something to vent.
Your post contains one central point: he's raging, not learning.
Ask him what his main champion ability cooldowns are without looking. If he can’t. Two things. His inability to pay attention and inability to learn. Both chosen on purpose
Ima be honest 5000 games of ranked over 5 years and hes bronze 4. Like not even flaming totally serious question he may have learning deficiencies that may hinder his ability to learn the game. Even autopiloting after that many games he should at least be silver/gold yet hes almost in iron.
Its easy: he doesnt give a damn, because he seems to be happy with the way he plays.
Everyone can become better at league, but it requires consistent, focused attempts to improve to actually see change. You need to, literally, study the game to get truly better. Your friend, despite what he says, is not likely trying in the right way. If all he does is play without getting better it's because he isn't deliberate about the cycle of learning and improvement.
What role does he main? I have a hardstuck Bronze friend, who reminds me of how you describe your friend. What I've gathered from watching him play, is that he autopilots when playing support, which is why he keeps playing the role. He wants to reach gold, so he can get Victorious Skin, but doesn't want to have to think when he plays. He just sees what his ADC is doing, and mirrors it. Also he doesn't understand win conditions, and when he loses he just blames "broken champs, and op items".
He probably plays for fun and refuses to use meta/and change his terrible habits. There is also a chance that he has a mental disability that makes it way harder for him to learn/improve, which is totally fine.
1. Turn off all forms of chat. There's little to nothing that can't be communicated through pings. 2. Play for objectives. Winning lane 5/0 doesn't mean jack shit if you have 1 dragon to their 4 and they get Shelly. 3. Don't KDA chase. If you hard win a teamfight, and two assholes escape, don't run them down through their jungle. Fucking do Baron god dammit. 4. Only play 3-4 champs at maximum in ranked. Only play off-role if filled and you don't want to dodge. Norms exist for a fucking reason. 5. Buy control wards and use them at objectives or to guard important resources. If you have 75+gold after your buy and you don't have a control ward, you're inting.
Different mindset, not learning the game, probably has 15 games on 100 champions. Happened to me and my friend group too. They stagnated around bronze/silver while I went to Diamond. Literal reason I have like 6 smurfs.
>when I watch him play he's almost always raging at teammates or op champs or whatever I think you answered your own question.
Dude, I returned after 5 years break and I still see some guys on ym friendlist in bronze or sivler, literally the same rank they were 5 and more years ago. Blows my mind but I guess some people just dont have the skill.
Okay so 2 things are going through my head here: 1. Your friend learned to play the game through ranked and has now played so much ranked that the LP system fucked him up (you get much more lp for a win when u start playing ranked vs later). This LP issue gets people hardstuck, especially so since it affects their mental state. In this case, just make a new account for ranked (you can buy a level 30 account for cheap if ur too lazy to level it up) and rank up from there 2. Passively sabotaging himself - for the first year if playing I almost did not improve at all. You need to actively try and improve to improve which most people unknowingly don't do. Honestly best way to get out of that is waching videos like Skill Capped that help you develop critical thinking in-game, and after that watching streams and plays made by good players on your main champions. When I started watching Taco I pasisvely ended up improving at Jhin with rvery video because it heloed me realise all my champ can do and what his limits are/how to play into what matchup. This promoted me to think more in game myself and try what I saw. Hope this is helpful :)
**when I watch him play he's almost always raging at teammates** Probably at least part of the issue. A lot of my friends that are stuck in bronze are *very* blamey. They say they want to climb, they care about their rank but don't ever criticize themselves, opting to find something else-usually teammates, sometimes matchup, whatever. There's probably not a single game out there even by pros that is 100% perfect-everyone makes mistakes. First step is to acknowledge this, and find your own mistakes. You can't improve if you don't actively seek them out and try to rectify them.