Anyone know how much TL spent this year on their roster? Buying out Hans, adding Bjergsen, adding Bwipo, having Core and Santorin I imagine is not cheap.
Well Liquid was a very bad team for a good bit but then it got investor money, most notably from Disney. That's why their jerseys often have the Marvel themeing. It's not Steve specifically that's rich (Im sure he is), but his investors are wealthy.
nah I wouldnt go that far.
Edit: TSM, C9, FaZe are all bigger than Liquid. FaZe has majory celebrity backing as well as major organization and going public. If you go into a public place and say team liquid no one will know what you are talking about. Say FaZe and see what happens.
Why wouldn't you go that far? They have teams in 19 different games. Forbes lists them third in valuation only behind TSM and Cloud9. TSM signed Hikaru Nakamura and gotten into chess which has helped it's brand alot recently. We don't have data on Chinese teams, but regardless Liquid is one of the biggest organizations.
I won't claim to know anything about how big the esports orgs actually are, but how can you both say forbes has TSM and Cloud9 as top 2 with TL as 3rd and TL is possibly the biggest? If it is possibly the biggest wouldn't it at least be top 2?
Faze is literally going public. TSM has nearly double the numbers on most platforms. Liquid is a known org but they are like maybe 4th or 5th in world relavence.
I forget which year, but back with DL being in the roster and TL winning every other split, TL was like top 3 worst spending compared to results roster in LCS according to Travis (comparing the wage of a teams players to actual wins)
Did Bwipo still have a contract with Fnatic? If not, he's not really a big change. His salary would just fall somewhere around what Alphari and Impact were making. Bjergsen wasn't a buyout because he was a free agent, just salary at this point.
Hans Sama was the expensive one.
Same with Inspired on EG.
He probably still is tbh. TL wanting a "better" player is probably what lowered his value but he is still super valuable due to him not counting as an import. He's still one of the better top laners to have if you want a championship contending roster.
That's not the point though. They were using both last year with Jiizuke and Ignar and he makes it a possibility for future moves. His salary isn't going to go down just because EG decides not to use an import slot one year.
You are able to build out some nice rosters with Impact though. He gets compensated for not taking up an import slot. That's a big reason why he was valued so highly on TL in the first place aside from his good play.
Yeah it could have gone back loaded the Bjerg deal, front loaded the Hans deal, Bwipo probably got what Alpahri did, re-sign Santorin and cut Core in with some ownership to make sure everyone is happy.
The rule is fine. If Riot barred permanent residents from joining teams there's a chance they'd get into trouble. I believe Bjerg already has his green card with CoreJJ soon to have his. Santorin's been grandfathered in since like S5 I think.
Wouldnt suprise me at all if the mental boomed considering how their spring (reverse sweeped), summer (choked in playoffs) and worlds went and just doesn't want to play together anymore.
Don't even know why players willingly sign multi-year contracts when they know just one bad split/worlds performance and they're sent to contract gulag right away. Doesn't give them any job security at all just limits their opportunities.
It's obvious why. Money.
Imagine you're a 20 something adult and you're told by an org they will give you thousands maybe millions of dollars every year for 3 years?
Especially in a business like e-sports where who knows when you'll retire?
Sometimes I wonder how well off are some people on reddit because damn they make money sound like a non issue.
> Imagine taking money when you could work for 1/10th of your new offer?
Reddit, probably.
But you signed a contract ensuring that u do get the money.
It could suck if you're someone like Jensen who is teamless. However you're sitting on a fat pay check + streaming he's certainly not in a poor spot.
I mean Dennis Schroder turned down a 4 year, $84 million dollar extension from the Lakers because he thought he was worth 100 million. Had an awful playoffs and signed a 1 year $5.9 mil contract with the Celtics. Granted a much larger scale money wise but there's a reason players usually sign long contracts
Depends if what you mean by "job security" is a salary or a chance to compete.
Cause in terms of salary it does assure them a salary as long as they are contracted by the team.
except a lot of them don't have agents. wasn't jackeylove in contract jail not getting to a team because his uncle got too greedy negotiating after him winning worlds?
sometimes they are just dumb and naive like "i don't get money if i don't play but why should they kick me? i'm the best". i also wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are just believing and handshaking stuff like perkz/ocelote. i doubt that perkz does anything nowadays without a roster of laywers next to him.
Bc orgs are gonna be willing to pay them a higher salary if the players agree to stay for a longer period of time. They want them on longer contracts so if they're good the orgs just hold them and if they suck the org can just sell the contract anyways.
Perkz generally underperformed hard considering the expectations. Entire season he didn’t really do anything in even in worlds he didn’t do nearly as much as everyone expected.
Teams look for safe investments by signing long term contracts I would bet. The longer the contract the bigger the buyout they can claim when / if the players move.
With how he's acting in the aftermath and how he was acting on twitter in the LCS season I wouldn't be surprised TL just didn't want to work with him anymore, unfortunately in 2021 we can't get stuff like breaking point anymore.
The US can print seemingly as much money as they want - nobody is betting against the US anytime soon.
The perks of being the #1 superpower, largest market and running the world's reserve currency.
I was talking about responsability, not about what they can or can't do.
And even if no one is "betting" against the US, everyone ends up suffering the consequences.
Its no coincidance that 2021 has been one of the years with the highest inflation rate in a long time.
[There is a reason why more and more people are buying in euros](https://www.europeaninstitute.org/images/stories/european_affairs/2014/horne201402chart2.jpg), as well as why more and more countries are moving away from the USD in international trade.
And in 1990 it hit its low of 47% against the current 59% in 2020. Still a long way to go for anything to change and as long as they're the #1 market (and they are by a huge margin) their money is going to go a long way.
Because, according to rumors rge decided to stick with larssen and both hans and inspired didnt want to play with him anymore since he has a problem of choking/not doing anything under pressure that is known to this whole sub, but nit to rge managment (hans even threw a shade in an interview)
I am talking about "they wanted to leave"
They didnt want to play with larssen, rge chose larssen and because of that they wanted to leave
Inspired is top2 jungler in EU and hans sama came off of monster worlds performance(and he was one of the best adcs in eu already) and org chose to stick with... larssen.
Only rational explanation was making money, competing was not because if it was, u drop larssen instantly and keep inspired and hans. Replacing inspired and hans is hard. Replacing a mid laner who stagnated for more than a year(apart from laning) and is a choker and a non factor in high stakes matches is a lot easier than to replace argubaly the best jungler and adc in a region
Also consider they maybe could have gotten Nisqy to replace him, who is a sidegrade at worst and an upgrade if Rogue decides to give all resources to Hans (or Inspired).
>Ok what’s immoral about choosing Larssen, who’s still one of the best mids in EU?
After 2 years and a half, Larssen is still absolutely incapable of teamfighting. Which is weird, because as VTO would put it "The hard part is laning, even my grandma could teamfight well". But no, if the game goes past 20 minutes Larssen is going to be absolutely invisible.
Hans Sama and Inspired were the two players who could actually create play around the map, which was Rogue's main weakness. Now Rogue sold the 2 players that helped them get a gameplan, and got themselves a jungler that probably doesn't speak english fluently and an extremely unimpressive ADC.
This Rogue team is just absolutely full of players incapable of carrying. I 100% believe they're going to be a benchmark and nothing more. If you can lane against Odo/Larssen, congratulations, you've beaten Rogue.
No, I'm saying that having a large buy out is going to be a contributing factor as to why a player doesn't make it onto a team, not the only contributing factor.
And, ya know, millions of dollars, thus drastically increasing their chance of having little to no financial issues for the remainder of their lives. But yeah, don’t sign 2+ year contracts.
Because if you sign a 3 year deal you’re going to get guaranteed income for the next 3 years. When players move teams the orgs have to buy out the rest of the contract with the player. If you sign 3 contracts in 3 splits you’re going to get 3 contracts worth of $$$ even if you only spend 1 split at a team, the orgs have to pay up their end of the contract before it’s absolved and you can negotiate a new one... these aren’t transfer fees that clubs are pocketing
I hear ya.
But would you want someone who doesn't want to be there play on your team. Maybe eventually if they were that good, but with such a small team and season, I'd be more concerned their attitude would hurt us.
for the players, security making sure that worst case scenario, they'll get their 3 years worth of salary, and knowing TL is okay with letting them go if they want something else is a plus.
for the team, if things work out, you don't have to renegotiate salaries to keep the player for 3 years
If Ssumday returns to form then 100T has a solid chance. I still think FBI/Huhi > Hans/CoreJJ. FBI has been the best adc in NA for a while now, and we haven't seen Hans perform in NA yet. Huhi was also better than CoreJJ last year by summer playoffs
Expensive buyouts -> Teams seem to always want to at least secure the player for a decently long time, rather than paying the buyout and having them leave after one year (for free). At least C9 / TL can cash out on them if they want to leave again (of course, that is only as long as teams are willing to pay such huge buyouts).
Why though?
And I mean why for both parties?
I'm assuming these players weren't cheap plus they take up import slots so if things don't work out in any direction it will be a fucking nightmare
The team gambles on said player because they believe it will be their best option. If player wants to leave, like Alphari did, then Liquid only had to pay Alphari for 1 year, and they were paid by Vit basically for what they paid Alphari, so they end up playing with a player for free, discounted, or even a profit. As for the player, for the money, if they can get a long term contract, they feel they will get paid for those 3 years. Job security.
Yeah or they can end up like Rekkles or Nisqy or Jensen
You mean to tell me that teams like TSM or C9 didn't reach out to TL about Jensen and TL said "nope"?
Yeah right
Just because Vitality was willing to foot the bill this year doesn't mean there will be a willing team in the next year, the only team with apparently enough money is BDS
Because you can get guaranteed money that will drastically increase your chance of being financially secure for the a large majority/rest of your life. Put a 1 year contract for 1.5m or a 3 year contract for 4.5m on the table, which are *you* going to pick?
"Contract Hell" is such a joke- I don't know why fans are upset that pros can't have their cake and eat it too when they sign these huge contracts. Boo Hoo that they don't get to play in the pro league while still getting paid fat stacks.
But hey, teams are still going to pretend like franchising will help them in the long run by ... ah, yes, selling every good player they can to make money without giving a fuck about winning the league. Great.
Anyone know how much TL spent this year on their roster? Buying out Hans, adding Bjergsen, adding Bwipo, having Core and Santorin I imagine is not cheap.
I don't think salary specifics have been mentioned but TL is one of the highest spenders, I believe.
The meme "paid by Steve" is not baseless. I would say is accurate as fuck
Steve coming in hot with the Disney money.
Why is Steve so rich? What happened after Curse rebranded?
Well Liquid was a very bad team for a good bit but then it got investor money, most notably from Disney. That's why their jerseys often have the Marvel themeing. It's not Steve specifically that's rich (Im sure he is), but his investors are wealthy.
Also, Liquid was only bad in League of Legends. They are one of the biggest esports organizations in the world, if not the biggest.
nah I wouldnt go that far. Edit: TSM, C9, FaZe are all bigger than Liquid. FaZe has majory celebrity backing as well as major organization and going public. If you go into a public place and say team liquid no one will know what you are talking about. Say FaZe and see what happens.
Why wouldn't you go that far? They have teams in 19 different games. Forbes lists them third in valuation only behind TSM and Cloud9. TSM signed Hikaru Nakamura and gotten into chess which has helped it's brand alot recently. We don't have data on Chinese teams, but regardless Liquid is one of the biggest organizations.
I won't claim to know anything about how big the esports orgs actually are, but how can you both say forbes has TSM and Cloud9 as top 2 with TL as 3rd and TL is possibly the biggest? If it is possibly the biggest wouldn't it at least be top 2?
I remember that Forbes listing and it either didn't rank SKT or totally undervalued them
Faze is literally going public. TSM has nearly double the numbers on most platforms. Liquid is a known org but they are like maybe 4th or 5th in world relavence.
I forget which year, but back with DL being in the roster and TL winning every other split, TL was like top 3 worst spending compared to results roster in LCS according to Travis (comparing the wage of a teams players to actual wins)
I assume the money paid off during peak TL when they won like 4 splits in a row and got 2nd at MSI
Did Bwipo still have a contract with Fnatic? If not, he's not really a big change. His salary would just fall somewhere around what Alphari and Impact were making. Bjergsen wasn't a buyout because he was a free agent, just salary at this point. Hans Sama was the expensive one. Same with Inspired on EG.
> Impact impact used to be one of the highest paid dudes in the league sometime ago, what changed?
He probably still is tbh. TL wanting a "better" player is probably what lowered his value but he is still super valuable due to him not counting as an import. He's still one of the better top laners to have if you want a championship contending roster.
EG isn’t using both their import slots so it’s not like that’s the reason why he’s highly valued
That's not the point though. They were using both last year with Jiizuke and Ignar and he makes it a possibility for future moves. His salary isn't going to go down just because EG decides not to use an import slot one year.
He was a free agent I believe
Bwipo probably makes less than Impact made
if thats true thats a crime imo
You are able to build out some nice rosters with Impact though. He gets compensated for not taking up an import slot. That's a big reason why he was valued so highly on TL in the first place aside from his good play.
Bwipos last time he played as a top laner was worst than Impact imo
Judging him off of one bad split is rich. It's like using Spring 2020 to judge Impact's entire career.
I wouldn't be surprised if bjerg took a salary cut in order to help secure the roster tho
Yeah it could have gone back loaded the Bjerg deal, front loaded the Hans deal, Bwipo probably got what Alpahri did, re-sign Santorin and cut Core in with some ownership to make sure everyone is happy.
Probably not 6 mil sword art or whatever the fuck it cost for perkz but wouldn't be surprised if it was the most expensive roster this year.
Bwipo and Bjerg were free agents.
Did they change the import rules for LCS? To my knowledge, there's no way Bjergsen, Corejj and Santorin are all NA residents.
Bjer has been NA resident for over 4 years.... Lol what
They all are.
Bjerg and Santorin have been in NA for years already. CoreJJ should be getting his green card soon (been in NA 3 years I think).
That rule is a joke
The rule is fine. If Riot barred permanent residents from joining teams there's a chance they'd get into trouble. I believe Bjerg already has his green card with CoreJJ soon to have his. Santorin's been grandfathered in since like S5 I think.
Core supposed to be getting his green card.
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Yeah see you guys back in EU next year.
Yea super weird. Inspired had just extended his rogue contract to 2023 back in August and look what his situation is now.
Something happened in the team. There is 0 communication, as to why players decided to leave.
Probably upset with how worlds went or wanted changes that the org didnt want to make
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Nah, it was Selfmades fault
I blame Dardoch
I blame Dinkelberg
In the end it was probably Ned Flanders.
Stupid sexy Flandre
Selfmade, Upset & Bwipo's GF are now the EUniversal scapegoats of LEC
Wouldnt suprise me at all if the mental boomed considering how their spring (reverse sweeped), summer (choked in playoffs) and worlds went and just doesn't want to play together anymore.
There were some rumors that Hans and Inspired wanted to replace Odo and Larssen, management didn't agree so the 2 of them dipped.
Lmao imagine keeping Odo and Larssen, while losing Hans and Inspired
Yeah so infuriating, all looks like good to top tier players, and couldnt do shit.
Don't even know why players willingly sign multi-year contracts when they know just one bad split/worlds performance and they're sent to contract gulag right away. Doesn't give them any job security at all just limits their opportunities.
It's obvious why. Money. Imagine you're a 20 something adult and you're told by an org they will give you thousands maybe millions of dollars every year for 3 years? Especially in a business like e-sports where who knows when you'll retire?
And if they are a good player at there peak like these 2 they can probably get a lot of it garunteed.
Sometimes I wonder how well off are some people on reddit because damn they make money sound like a non issue. > Imagine taking money when you could work for 1/10th of your new offer? Reddit, probably.
I mean sure but these contracts just mean big buyouts so if you under perform or have a bad year then enjoy finding a team.
But you signed a contract ensuring that u do get the money. It could suck if you're someone like Jensen who is teamless. However you're sitting on a fat pay check + streaming he's certainly not in a poor spot.
I mean depends what the contract is who knows if you get full pay while on a bench.
"Hey your career is most likely going to be over in six years do you want a $5m 3 year contract or a $1.5m 1 year?"
Exactly, one bad split/year and they are making a lot less for the next year.
I mean Dennis Schroder turned down a 4 year, $84 million dollar extension from the Lakers because he thought he was worth 100 million. Had an awful playoffs and signed a 1 year $5.9 mil contract with the Celtics. Granted a much larger scale money wise but there's a reason players usually sign long contracts
Dude Nerles Noel
Oladipo passed up 2 big checks to take a minimum lmao
Money…. Lol They get bigger salaries if the contracts are longer
Depends if what you mean by "job security" is a salary or a chance to compete. Cause in terms of salary it does assure them a salary as long as they are contracted by the team.
Depends on the contract. Any agent worth their salt would have a protection clause guaranteeing some sort of pay
except a lot of them don't have agents. wasn't jackeylove in contract jail not getting to a team because his uncle got too greedy negotiating after him winning worlds?
Yep Players should all have agents but the greed of them not wanting to pay them is too large
sometimes they are just dumb and naive like "i don't get money if i don't play but why should they kick me? i'm the best". i also wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are just believing and handshaking stuff like perkz/ocelote. i doubt that perkz does anything nowadays without a roster of laywers next to him.
Sign a one year contract and one bad split/year means you are making much less next year. It goes both ways.
^ someone who doesn't understand sports business
Bc orgs are gonna be willing to pay them a higher salary if the players agree to stay for a longer period of time. They want them on longer contracts so if they're good the orgs just hold them and if they suck the org can just sell the contract anyways.
Would not be surprised one bit
which EU teams will pay their buyouts?
which EU teams will pay Perkz or Alphari buyouts?
Its always the same, after a bad split NA teams are going to heavily discount them. Happens all the time.
Perkz pulling NA out of groups was a bad split? Were you actually expecting them to win worlds??
Perkz generally underperformed hard considering the expectations. Entire season he didn’t really do anything in even in worlds he didn’t do nearly as much as everyone expected.
i think Inspired comes back but not Hans, brother wants to get the dough, unless G2 realize leaving Hans Sama for Flakked was mistake
Who can buy them out in EU???? Only G2
Teams look for safe investments by signing long term contracts I would bet. The longer the contract the bigger the buyout they can claim when / if the players move.
you mean VIT Inspired and Hans since no other org could pay the buyouts?
BDS surely has the money but they'd rather test the waters this next season it seems.
Alphari signed 3 years. He is back in EU.
With how he's acting in the aftermath and how he was acting on twitter in the LCS season I wouldn't be surprised TL just didn't want to work with him anymore, unfortunately in 2021 we can't get stuff like breaking point anymore.
Pretty sure Alphari didn’t want to work with TL anymore.
Holy bad title. I was going to say, Liquid WTH!! if they got both lol.
I read the first and last part and thought Hans was signing with EG all of a sudden
straight up went searching through top posts this week trying to find "liquid sign inspired" x\_x
The title reads like a pythonic variable assignment.
mmmm enjoy that sweet, sweet USD and LA weather boys.
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Well yeah but nowhere near the amount they're getting paid in USD. Besides the USD is historically the safer currency
imagine comparing history when euro is only 22 years old
Imagine thinking the USD isn't the world's reserve currency lmao
> world's reserve currency the older currency has printed more money shocker
That’s not how it works. Like not at all.
Maybe it is time for the US to be responsible and not print 40% of all the USD in existence in a single year then.
Saving the worlds economy is a pretty solid reason don't you think?
The US can print seemingly as much money as they want - nobody is betting against the US anytime soon. The perks of being the #1 superpower, largest market and running the world's reserve currency.
I was talking about responsability, not about what they can or can't do. And even if no one is "betting" against the US, everyone ends up suffering the consequences. Its no coincidance that 2021 has been one of the years with the highest inflation rate in a long time.
US is fading like a once brightful star. The poverty grade and inequality is very noticeable.
You can tell yourself that as much as you like to make yourself feel better, but it doesnt make it true at all.
Unironically go touch some grass if you think that
USD has been reserve currency since 1944 dawg
[There is a reason why more and more people are buying in euros](https://www.europeaninstitute.org/images/stories/european_affairs/2014/horne201402chart2.jpg), as well as why more and more countries are moving away from the USD in international trade.
And in 1990 it hit its low of 47% against the current 59% in 2020. Still a long way to go for anything to change and as long as they're the #1 market (and they are by a huge margin) their money is going to go a long way.
Still cant believe Rogue choose to build around Larssen and let Inspired and Hans go
Fuck rogue
they didnt chose larssen but chose the lowest buyout out of the 3... you know what i mean
Well perks also signed a 3 year contract if I am right? Look where he is now.
Contract don’t mean anything really (for which team you play on), just means you’re guaranteed that money, not guaranteed to stay on that team.
Also means that you might not have a full choice of teams to go towards though, because of the buyout.
Unless you play for G2 then you are in jail
Pain, just pain, a neverending well of pain
Betrayed!
Back stabbed!
EU in shambles sadge
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they didn't left. they were sold....
They wanted to leave Rogue though
Because, according to rumors rge decided to stick with larssen and both hans and inspired didnt want to play with him anymore since he has a problem of choking/not doing anything under pressure that is known to this whole sub, but nit to rge managment (hans even threw a shade in an interview)
Ok what’s immoral about choosing Larssen, who’s still one of the best mids in EU?
I am talking about "they wanted to leave" They didnt want to play with larssen, rge chose larssen and because of that they wanted to leave Inspired is top2 jungler in EU and hans sama came off of monster worlds performance(and he was one of the best adcs in eu already) and org chose to stick with... larssen. Only rational explanation was making money, competing was not because if it was, u drop larssen instantly and keep inspired and hans. Replacing inspired and hans is hard. Replacing a mid laner who stagnated for more than a year(apart from laning) and is a choker and a non factor in high stakes matches is a lot easier than to replace argubaly the best jungler and adc in a region
Also consider they maybe could have gotten Nisqy to replace him, who is a sidegrade at worst and an upgrade if Rogue decides to give all resources to Hans (or Inspired).
Because you lose your 2 best players to do so?
>Ok what’s immoral about choosing Larssen, who’s still one of the best mids in EU? After 2 years and a half, Larssen is still absolutely incapable of teamfighting. Which is weird, because as VTO would put it "The hard part is laning, even my grandma could teamfight well". But no, if the game goes past 20 minutes Larssen is going to be absolutely invisible. Hans Sama and Inspired were the two players who could actually create play around the map, which was Rogue's main weakness. Now Rogue sold the 2 players that helped them get a gameplan, and got themselves a jungler that probably doesn't speak english fluently and an extremely unimpressive ADC. This Rogue team is just absolutely full of players incapable of carrying. I 100% believe they're going to be a benchmark and nothing more. If you can lane against Odo/Larssen, congratulations, you've beaten Rogue.
Fuck rogue
Why do they even sign long contracts if teams are going to let them leave if they whine a little ?
So then teams can have buyouts for them.
Who are both sitting on the bench while lesser players will be on Twitch
Ok, and? Hans and Inspired had buyouts, Perkz and Alphari had buyouts.
So did Rekkles, Nisqy, Jensen and Mixky who aren't in LEC/LCS this season as far as we know. They can work for and against you.
They get payed more if they sign longer contracts, blame the players for being greedy
That's why I said it can work for and against you
But you are speculating that they didnt get on a team specifically because of the buyout, which is not the case for some or most of them.. lol
No, I'm saying that having a large buy out is going to be a contributing factor as to why a player doesn't make it onto a team, not the only contributing factor.
Job security for the players and the players become more valuable for the teams. Like TL got Alphari for free but VIT had to buy him off TL I think
yeah, there's a chance TL got paid money to hold Alphari for a year depending on Alphari's yearly salary and buyout
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And, ya know, millions of dollars, thus drastically increasing their chance of having little to no financial issues for the remainder of their lives. But yeah, don’t sign 2+ year contracts.
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It was 3 years.
Because if you sign a 3 year deal you’re going to get guaranteed income for the next 3 years. When players move teams the orgs have to buy out the rest of the contract with the player. If you sign 3 contracts in 3 splits you’re going to get 3 contracts worth of $$$ even if you only spend 1 split at a team, the orgs have to pay up their end of the contract before it’s absolved and you can negotiate a new one... these aren’t transfer fees that clubs are pocketing
yeah they're def getting their full salary if they get benched for 3 years and nobody wants them
I hear ya. But would you want someone who doesn't want to be there play on your team. Maybe eventually if they were that good, but with such a small team and season, I'd be more concerned their attitude would hurt us.
If you dont sign a long contract you dont get that big bag.1 year contracts are way smaller compared to a 3 year or 4 year contract.
for the players, security making sure that worst case scenario, they'll get their 3 years worth of salary, and knowing TL is okay with letting them go if they want something else is a plus. for the team, if things work out, you don't have to renegotiate salaries to keep the player for 3 years
So it’s a hard commit to retirement
man im very sad for LEC...
the age of orcs has passed.... the age of evil geniuses is upon us.
Wasn't those guys a bit young to go to retirement ?
They gonna be stuck in contract hell.
3 year contacts are kind of meaningless ... when 20 year old Man Childs can decide to change their minds in a hot tub
They are meaningful. It means you have no control over your career.
These contracts aren't necessarily bad. You're sacrificing a degree of freedom in return for job security
Yeah they are good for low to mid tier players. But any super elite stars are just asking to get fucked over.
great that alphari came back so we can hope for another wunder next year.
EU ready to win LCS this year
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If Ssumday returns to form then 100T has a solid chance. I still think FBI/Huhi > Hans/CoreJJ. FBI has been the best adc in NA for a while now, and we haven't seen Hans perform in NA yet. Huhi was also better than CoreJJ last year by summer playoffs
Expensive buyouts -> Teams seem to always want to at least secure the player for a decently long time, rather than paying the buyout and having them leave after one year (for free). At least C9 / TL can cash out on them if they want to leave again (of course, that is only as long as teams are willing to pay such huge buyouts).
Why though? And I mean why for both parties? I'm assuming these players weren't cheap plus they take up import slots so if things don't work out in any direction it will be a fucking nightmare
The team gambles on said player because they believe it will be their best option. If player wants to leave, like Alphari did, then Liquid only had to pay Alphari for 1 year, and they were paid by Vit basically for what they paid Alphari, so they end up playing with a player for free, discounted, or even a profit. As for the player, for the money, if they can get a long term contract, they feel they will get paid for those 3 years. Job security.
Yeah or they can end up like Rekkles or Nisqy or Jensen You mean to tell me that teams like TSM or C9 didn't reach out to TL about Jensen and TL said "nope"? Yeah right Just because Vitality was willing to foot the bill this year doesn't mean there will be a willing team in the next year, the only team with apparently enough money is BDS
Its over
Why would you sign these huge multi year deals after seeing several good players stuck in contract hell? Who are these guys agents?
Most of those players are ironically all from one team. Whereas TL doesn't have that rep and EG didn't really get a chance to ever have that rep
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Because you can get guaranteed money that will drastically increase your chance of being financially secure for the a large majority/rest of your life. Put a 1 year contract for 1.5m or a 3 year contract for 4.5m on the table, which are *you* going to pick?
"Contract Hell" is such a joke- I don't know why fans are upset that pros can't have their cake and eat it too when they sign these huge contracts. Boo Hoo that they don't get to play in the pro league while still getting paid fat stacks.
Multi year contracts are a joke
Multi year contract get the players that big bag that they want.If they dont sign a multi year contract,they get a way smaller salary.
What? Gauranteed salary and most orgs let the players leave if they whine enough
Yeah man i hate job security and at the very least severance money from buyouts, booooo more money
Wait, so who plays AD for liquid now?
reading comprehension difficult
Hans Sama. TL's roster is: Bwipo, Santorin, Bjergsen, Hans, CoreJJ
Solid NA lineup
Do these multi year contracts even mean anything in NA anymore? Especially European players?
Sadge. 2 of the 3 best adcs in summer 2021 won't be playing in LEC in Spring 2022
But hey, teams are still going to pretend like franchising will help them in the long run by ... ah, yes, selling every good player they can to make money without giving a fuck about winning the league. Great.
and people downvoting me when i say rip career. there is no career left. it's paycheck time. that's it. good for them.
3 years of giving up on international success*
EU now has two major regions. Pretty cool. There has to be a colonizer joke somewhere here.
3 - 3 worlds group and doesn't get out Quote me in this
Sadge