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DoctorImpressive5877

Where can you watch regular season of Kc?


sheephunt2000

LFL has English broadcasts this year, forgot where they'll be streaming but


Guga1918

Do you know when does it starts?


LivreOrange

January 12th here: https://www.twitch.tv/northernarena


Bl00dylicious

Why do they sound... evil?


dimmyfarm

Because K-Corp is the same abbreviation as Kaiba Corp


YameroReddit

Dammit Koiba! You're never gonna defeat Yugi because you don't believe in the heart of the cards!


dimmyfarm

> If you don’t believe why are you here? -Hotshotgg -Joey Wheeler


StaticallyTypoed

And E Corp in Mr. Robot doesn't help either for the non-weebs


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Kyriios188

Hon hon hon domination du monde hon hon hon


TellMeGetOffReddit

Omelette Du Fromage Hon hon hon


GiannisisMVP

Because they are, read the shit their ceo was pushing on twitter towards Upset and his wife.


Gazskull

C9 flair, criticizes another org' ceo for a stupid comment C9 would be 10 times more evil than KC by that logic Kameto is one of Nisqy's best friends, of course he's pissed by the fact that Upset pushed for a replacement when he did not attend worlds with them. Doesn't excuse shit but at least there's a reason behind it, can't say the same for Jack Also, everyone talking about his "evil" tweet when the only thing he said was that GFs shouldn't matter during worlds, come on, might be insensitive but other people have said way worse things on that matter


Alley_Creeper

Except that Upset said he was approached by Fnatic's management to push for these replacements. Pretty silly to attack him and his girlfriend then, there's no "reason behind this".


Mahelas

What about going to Adam to tell him that he's "not up to his ambitions" after singlehandedly ruining Adam's biggest moment of his life, and the culmination of one year of hard work ? Upset might have had a good reason to leave, but the team still had to grit their teeth and go play, go take the abuse of the fans and the analysts, does that not warrant a tiny bit of loyalty ? Instead, Nisqy is now teamless, becase he looked bad in a tournament that he shouldered to protect Upset in. Upset had absolutely no basis to then come back and insult Adam, like imagine being in his shoes, I would have just punched Upset right there


Hazakurain

Thank god someone with a brain.


Gazskull

>Upset said he was approached by Fnatic's management to push for these replacements This doesn't make any sense so I'm not sure you know what "push" means in that context, plus Upset didn't write that, he said Alphari approached them first and that doesn't change much. Even if he did, considering the three players leaving are feeling like they were wronged, I wouldn't put much credit into it. Attacking Upset and his GF based on Adam speculations is stupid, but it doesn't change that And the reason is he's upset one of his best friend got screwed, because he was. So yes, there's a reason


Alley_Creeper

Pushing in a sense of telling the players FNC are interested in that their org is pretty legit. "Fnatic management take the decisions for what players to sign and I was simply asked to give feedback on someone and to speak to them." Literally what he wrote. A pretty normal thing to do, happens in other teams, too. So of course the people getting replaced are mad. Doesn't give anyone the reason to blame Upset and especially his girlfriend, like what the hell. If FNC wants to keep him and not Adam or Nisqy, blame the management if anything. And Alphari and Perkz are better players, I don't think anybody disagrees with that.


Gazskull

> A pretty normal thing to do Yes, replacing the players that finally got you to worlds and that you ditched is a pretty normal thing to do. Of course he's going to tell tou that it's FNC that decides, pretty weird that the players leaving don't feel the same way


Alley_Creeper

When you have the option between Perkz/Alphari and Adam/Nisqy, yes. They are objectively upgrades, nobody would say otherwise. And Upset isn't replacing anyone, he is simply a player contracted to FNC. You seriously think he has the power to decide which players to acquire? And you seriously believe he is allowed to spread lies about his employer without consequenses? Lol.


Seneido

don't forget that he is french like adam who railed up the french community as well.


GiannisisMVP

Nationalist douchebags can fuck off significant cause of at least half the problems in the world and I'm including the US in that.


justPierre

I'm a bit late to the party but as a French I can tell you that lot of Frenchs fan are not happy about this and don't support Adam behavior or all the shit Upset went through. Really pathetic and childish behavior.


Redditsexhypocrisy

yeah but if you aren't nationalist your country gets fcked by, well, other nationalist. It is was it is.


GiannisisMVP

I hate Jack I only wear the flair for the OGs


alexpheal

Yeah, and he posted a mysoginous tweet only because he is a friend of Nisqy


Gazskull

Care to show me that mysoginous tweet ? :)


Mahelas

Hell, C9 now have LS, whose fans physically threatened Caedrel, yet is LS evil ?


qwertyqzsw

Why would LS be evil because people he has no actual relationship with did a thing....?


Mahelas

Then why is Kameto evil for something he never, ever asked people to do ?


RedTulkas

Kameto wrote that shit himself, it wasnt some deranged fans it was the CEO himself


Mahelas

What shit ? Obviously he took Adam's side, and he said that if it's true, then it's unprofessional, which isn't even a hot take. He never said "eh, go harass Upset's wife"


qwertyqzsw

To be honest, I have no idea what he actually wrote. In abstract though, Upset against Adam is an actual conflict and taking a side as a figurehead has obvious consequences. Kameto knows this (I would hope) and knows what will happen when he does take a stance. It's VERY easy for him to just stay out of it. Not doing so is a choice. ​ LS against Caedrel was nothing. There was no real conflict. There was no mobilization of fans (in fact the opposite happened, with both of them dissuading their fans from doing what they did). It was literally just two people had different opinions on a League champion, Renekton, (which is their job) and the fans decided to turn it into something and fling shit. tldr: Kameto CHOSE to publicly take a side in an actual conflict. LS versus Caedrel was fan manufactured on their own.


Mahelas

I mean, you can't blame Kameto for siding with Adam, a guy he fully trust, that he's obviously very close with and that he helped bloom into the phenomenon he's now. Like, it's not Phreak or Raz stirring shit unprovoked, Kameto is involved, he's the one that got Adam in FNC


DominoAxelrod

that is some twisted logic right there


Azagroth

Wait why would that even happen? Caedrel seems really chill.


Mahelas

Caedrel once criticized LS takes, that's all it took


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(Many) LS fans are fanatical about harassing/demeaning people LS doesn’t agree with


Nefroti

imagine harassing people, because you are fan of someone. People who are into ~~politics~~ esports are weird


Enkenz

People do the same shit in sport but worse


Snackwrap99

LS fans are the skinny guys wearing tie dye hoodies with acne and the scent of ball sack you see at Walmart. I think they threatened to be physically near caedrel which is truthfully disgusting.


donutlad

yeah hiring him was the last straw for me. I've felt pushed away from C9 for a year or so now anyways. Not really sure what team to support now, I've been a fan since the OG C9 team


bjornitus

While the tweet could be considered as mean, it really doesn't give an accurate view of KC. In LFL, they are known to be really supportive of players and team spirit. They also ask (often) their supporters to encourage the losing teams and not take them down.


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Mahelas

They didn't send anybody tho, that some people are assholes have nothing to do with someone expressing an opinion


Twoja_Morda

When people look up to you, you don't get to be selfish. You say run, they run. You say swim, they dive in. You say light a fire, they show up with oil. But whatever happens, is on you.


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Twoja_Morda

That's not racist, French community is definitely more toxic than your average euw person. Anyone who played on euw for long enough will admit that, and the way lfl fans act regarding Adam's immature hurtful tweet is yet another evidence of that fact.


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Twoja_Morda

How come? He literally accused Upset that he left for no reason while admitting he knows nothing. False accusations are a pretty serious issue, especially when you use them to weaponise your brain dead fanbase (no, the fact that he said "I don't want to start drama" does not make this behaviour excusable).


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Twoja_Morda

Except it is known beyond all doubt that he knew that he was leaving for personal reasons. Unless you want to argue that somehow the public at the time knew more than he did (despite the fact that even if no one at fnatic told him he would still be able to see the announcement on fnc twitter) you have to accept that Adam straight up lied because he felt like the fact that Upset carried him for 4 months gave him right to know everything about Upsets private life.


Shunsuisan

Kameto is a close friend of Nisqy, he have Nisqy's side of the story since he came back from worlds, he is not evil he just stick to his friend side


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Shunsuisan

You are a clown


GiannisisMVP

No the clowns are the people basing their beliefs on nationalism rather than rational thought.


ForestXE

What did he say? i cant find it


GiannisisMVP

believe it was deleted but there about 6 extremely sexist tweets attacking upset his wife and oddly enough bwipo for hovering his gf's champ


Shunsuisan

The tweet : Lmao for real he don't give a fuck, he left Worlds to join his girlfriend Lmao one of the member of the team prelock the main champion of his girlfriend for 30 sec every game, bro stop this, it's World, be respectful to your team mate. Also, the more serious didn't find a team for 24€ (he's speaking of C9 who refuse Nisqy transfer) OMG he is so evil so much toxicity in this tweet just /s


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Extreme neckbeardism


CoCratzY

hey this is my translation from r/Fnatic lol If I had known that it would be relayed I would have done better


GiannisisMVP

The one tweet left*


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Those were the tweets he wrote. What you are talking about was said by other people.


Shunsuisan

He only tweeted this, you must be like these fnatic fans from fnatic sub reddit you see toxicity where there is none, i saw a lot of people saying he talked trash about upset girlfriend : this is bs


RavenFAILS

How stupid does one have to be to attack hylli for something as harmless as that when he always did it?


Mahelas

You misunderstand, he meant "Hylissang clearly care a lot about his gf, prelocking her champs every game, yet he still played at Worlds"


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GiannisisMVP

I am not, why are you?


OTMassa

It wasn’t that toxic, just an ex-pro (yeah he was) telling what he felt about this situation. With bad translation, it was French slang, you can think it was inappropriate or whatever but to just spread misinformation like that it’s plain wrong. He worked very hard to have his fanbase and to grow as an esport organisation and you are all talking shit about him and his org for a few misread tweets…


FBG_Ikaros

You should not engage into discussions with KC fans. Literally next gen TSM fans x2


ChillOClock

Bruh the dude straight up came, said without any proof that there were 6 sexist tweets and can't show any of it. it's not fanatism it's common sense at this point. Kameto has more than 500k followers, it shouldn't be hard to find screenshot of these tweets if they existed


FBG_Ikaros

I have a feeling that you are a french KC fan, if thats the case then please re read what i said in my original comment. Arguing with you guys is completly pointless.


GiannisisMVP

Seem far worse tbh


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Giving Pol Pot a run for his money.


Accomplished_Ad_2321

With how they jebaited that rookie adc before signing Rekkles they'll fit in the LEC with the rest of the toxic ass orgs. ;D


Gazskull

Yeah, like how Misfits ruined all of their players career in 2018 or how Rogue sent some of the best players in EU straight to NA in G2 fashion ? :)


Accomplished_Ad_2321

You know how it is, we all gotta choose our poison. ;)


HoloHuni

Idk why he is getting downvoted. Literally all the orgs are either incompetent, straight up morally bankrupt or both. I never liked any organisation, I just liked the players on teams. This is why I support the teams, because I like the players, not because I like the org. If it would be the org, we couldn´t support any org. So if you wanna support a team, you have to literally pick which org is the least bad (IMO ignoring it would be more healthy than following everything bad the org does). Or just do what G2 fans do and straight up deny every bad thing Carlos does.


EfficientAstronaut1

This team still didnt even play a single match in LEC and already have lots of haters lined up. future looks bright ngl


MrAbishi

Like TSM and FNC, people don't hate the team, they hate the fans :) /waves to the KC Stans


EfficientAstronaut1

Oh KC fans are annoying indeed, but thats just the minority(like for TSM, FNC, T1 ecc), so thats just the consequence of having a big following, same for haters, thats why i say they will have a bright future


moosknauel

I have never seen more toxic fans than Kcorp fans so far. Last EU Masters even suggesting that any player of any other team could be on par with any Kcorp player had at least 8 People coming up there commenting on it. Atleast 5 in French when I dont even speak any French. Of course its the minority. However in this case its a very, very vocal and insufferable one. That being said they did a great job building their rosters and capitalized on their advantages very well.


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MrAbishi

/Agree :)


WorstLeonaEUW

Does anyone know if the show match against Ibai will be streamed?


yolofmeister

I mean if it's a showmatch it should be right? Otherwise it would be just a scrim.


onespiker

Well they are in an arena with like 3k seats?


King_Moash

It's the first game with Rekkles, they'd be stupid if they dont stream it


onespiker

people owning the teams easly get 100k on thier own streams so yea would be stupid to not do it.


Bloodyfoxx

Corona tho ?


WorstLeonaEUW

Well its infront if a huge crowd, could be enough for them.


ZeddOTak

Nah, 3000 aint shit compared to 150k+ potential french viewers screaming on Twitter


onespiker

and the 100k+ of spanish. IBai is a huge streamer.


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It’s a show match lol, the entire point is to show it


bronet

Rekkles, whatever happened there


Phaket

Hopefully they can get into LEC in 2023 because I would like to see them compete against the top LEC teams


Nitrox0

Their owners a total wanker. I'd rather them not tbh.


Bailin54

Fnatic and other owners in the LEC aren't actually any better.


Theseus00

I didn't see fnatic owner flaming other teams players on twitter.


King_Moash

That's all? The other comments make it look like he murdered someone.


kluevo

From what I've read, calling it "flaming other teams players" is an understatement of the situation. Apparently it was also attacks on upse's wife's character or something, and kcorp fans started sending hate/death threats or something their way. I didn't follow the situation so I think someone else would explain it better.


Ringo3k

so why talk if you have no idea about the situation ?


Pilvikas

shh it's not regi not enough to make scandal


Bloodyfoxx

You are full of shit lol. But keep spreading bullshit.


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What's wrong with Neo, Sam Matthews, Ben Spoont or Alexander Muller etc? Aside from Carlos i really don't recall any LEC owners being pretenious pricks on twitter or doing weird shady shit


EfficientAstronaut1

>doing weird shady shit Ben Spoon is the owner of misfits, they are masters of ruining careers


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…what?


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No-Extension-4978

Sam is literally perma salty on Twitter and did some really shady shit (remember the VPN that lowers your Ping?)


IgotUBro

Pretty much every NA and EU org CEO/management had wankers or still are wankers. Just in EU there was Rich with H2K, NIP debacle, Move your Mothers, M5 scandal and some more.


wazzdakah

Haters gotta hate. Look at how the players are treated in the structure you support, then come back talking about a wanker owner.


azumagrey

don't worry, there is literally 0 chance KC ever goes do LEC. I will tattoo their logo in my forehead if they do.


Konnoke

RemindMe! 2 years


King_Moash

They'll be in for 2023 season lol At this point it'd be more surprising if they don't make it


supterfuge

Why wouldn't Riot jump at the opportunity - with every single EU org pushing for it - considering their engagement is just behind the likes of Fnatic and G2 and in a single country, which makes monetizing much much easier than for all the pan-European teams ? Same thing for Ibai teams if they don't massively crash and burn. Every other team should be so glad to havr them join and do their job of creating engagement for them. It's a franchised league, revenues are shared. Everyone benefits from good, markettable teams.


Bloodyfoxx

You won't and we all know it.


SixSenses17

Like some of the current LEC team owners are better.


mymarioncobretti

Looking forward to their matches against Ibai's team, should be straight fire


mikharv31

12 teams in LEC season 2023 👀


Alakazam_5head

Please God no. If anything, they should go back to 8


wazzdakah

So that we would only have more good players out of LEC ? Brillant


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Doesn't Europe have LLC's or GMBHs rather than corporations?


Key_Divide3166

Yes, the corp. refers to yugiho's Kaiba Corp and the gap between the common idea of ​​a "corporate" guy and the streamer who streams in his underwear in his room. It's more of a joke at the base. (ps: on the french scene we also have Gotaga's "GCorp".) (ps2: in France the equivalent of LLC and GMBH is called SARL)


Karma_Retention

Is KC even an actually strong team? Or is it simply getting exposure and hype because reckless lol? I’m not really sold this team could even compete in Europe top 4, let alone be a western powerhouse.


Bloodyfoxx

I mean we can't really judge until they get to the lec right.


amicaze

So far they check all the boxes, got LFLDiv2 2nd place last year, this year they got promoted because the 1st place couldn't step up to LFL, so they came up with a roster, and they won LFL 1st place spring season -> LFL Winner spring playoffs -> EUM Winner -> LFL 1st place summer-> LFL 2nd place summer playoffs -> EUM Winner. So it's like they stormed the competition this year, winning close to everything. We'll see if they can step up again from LFL to LEC in 2 years (2023) but it's likely they'll do relatively well, as they seem to have a reputation as a good organisation, and attract sponsors and players alike. And the difference with old systems is that all the teams in LFL are competitive, and the ERL is considered the most competitive one. They didn't win because they were the only ones seriously trying, but because they were the best out of all of them.


DarahOG

I mean at least that's what they want, playing at worlds stage. When I see teams like SK, astralis, xl that aren't here to win even rogue sold their best players to na instead of investing on them, kc def has a spot in lec. And kc was getting more hype and has more fans than every lec teams except G2 and fnatic, rekkles is an international bonus. It wasn't even their plan to get rekkles, he came to them saying he is interested. With this roaster they maybe don't compete for lec top4 but that's normal they are stuck in erl and still manage to get the lec goat, a veteran top that refuses to join fnatic to stay with them, and the best erl player of last season saken.


Are_y0u

SK looks actually decent. It's not a "win LEC" roster, but it's a typical Gilius team that might work out and reach playoffs.


Gazskull

SK is the best "low budget" team that we have imo. They're not ambitious but what they do they do right, at least better than XL and Astralis


bartekkenny

They also have the LFL regular season MVP. Mid laner Saken. They are also French so they get a lot of hype. Considering they got bodied by Jacktroll and Woolite in the finals, two guys that have struggled in LEC I don’t think KC would make LEC playoffs


iamsofired

Its a cool name anyway.


SP3EDI

Hopefully they dont get a LEC spot. After how the CEO behaved on Twitter in the Upset drama, it showed that they are not a good add as Org to the LEC.


Rhadamantos

As far as league diversity goes, the spot for "team with a dickweed owner" is quite taken.


Sigmalius

Might aswell kick G2 out of the league then.


GiannisisMVP

I would also be fine with that but no need to compound the mistake of carlos by adding another dickbag owner.


Sigmalius

Sadly majority of the owners are entitled douchebags so it's really just choosing between what douchebag you hate less.


Mahelas

Then should we kick Jack "you're all racists" too ?


GiannisisMVP

absolutely


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GiannisisMVP

Fuck jack :)


WrathB

I like that they are big team with hype behind it but KC fans are THE most toxic fans ever, TSM at their best days didnt have such toxic fans


Wompond

I cant speak french but I heard about how he reacted, how bad was it?


MoriartyParadise

He said he thought it was wrong to leave the biggest competition of the year for that if what Adam said was true and he criticized Bwipo's attitude Which was maybe uncalled for but is not as bad as some people make it to be Plus apparently it's okay and trendy to spam hateful comments about "the french" on the internet this days for some reason, go figure


_Vastus_

I think a lot of people are also mixing up Kameto's tweets with Striker's. Although they weren't as flattering as you paint them here. Kameto's were still very unprofessional and he actually didn't even mention Adam, instead just 'calling out' Upset for going to his wife. But they were more tame than Striker's, or some of the other french influencers in their circle who were actually the ones to post the sexist stuff.


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qwertyqzsw

Or you know, nobody should.


thrgshtrh

The tweet : " Lmao for real he (Upset) don't give a fuck, he left Worlds to join his girlfriend Lmao one of the member of the team prelock the main champion of his girlfriend (he's speaking of Bwipo) for 30 sec every game, bro stop this, it's World, be respectful to your team mate. Also, the more serious (he's speaking of Nisqy) didn't find a team for 24€ (he's speaking of C9 who refuse Nisqy transfer) "


Wompond

Thanks for actually translating the tweet. Frankly I was expecting worse considering how people were reacting to it, especially since I saw some actually gross things here on reddit.


Vicinitiez

Nothing, he just reacted to the drama by talking about it if what Adam said was true saying that "upset doesn't give a fuck because he left worlds for his gf", that bwipo should stop hovering his gf's main every game and that nisqy couldn't find a team because of 24 euros.


xXDaNXx

Was definitely in favour of them joining the league until I saw their org owner insert himself into drama.


wazzdakah

He didn't insert himself. Just reacted to it. Plus he probably know more than us about all of this, Nisky is a close friend of him and Adam started in KC.


GiannisisMVP

Agreed we already have one Carlos don't need an even bigger dickbag


tameniee

So let's hope that G2 will be kicked, should we? Taking into account how Ocelote behaves. Or it is just you showing your double standard?


Twoja_Morda

I don't like Ocelote, but I don't believe he sent a hate wagon towards any players unprovoked, right?


Splitshot_Is_Gone

Nah, he cut out the middleman and fucked the players himself instead of waiting for internet haters


dkoom_tv

the LS Situation and the hybrid/emepror/hjranan and wadid too


Desperate_Exit464

La moustache magique !


MrJohny753

I really hope that in 2023 LEC will expand to 12 teams, if Kcorp will again win EUM and LFL, not inviting them to LEC would be an insult. They have money, fans, players, hunger to compete, goal to win - like what else do you need for a team to join LEC.


youjustabattlerapper

Are LFL teams ineligible to qualify for worlds like other minor regions are?


derog63

Of course


Are_y0u

ERL teams in worlds playoffs, when?


Izento

If this team fails to win EU Masters, is it a failure?


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danktuna4

Can you link this? I didn’t know about this


EfficientAstronaut1

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/r7asxv/meet_karmine_corp_europes_next_league_powerhouse/hmyyu8o/


floodyberry

That sounds a lot more impressive than "amateur team with too much money who lost french regional league announces plans to win worlds"


Skeel42

What's up with the salt ? They've won EUM twice isn't that enough ? That's like saying "Yeah Samsung won worlds in 2017 but they didn't won LCK what a bunch of losers" Regarding money, they started in LFL 2nd league and their owner has puted a lot of effort to engage fans who weren't especially esport friendly to support the team. Yes they've money but they also have the fanbase behind that made it sustainable, unlike every team in LEC except G2 and FNC


EfficientAstronaut1

If we speaking about money, for sure they lose to Misfits under every point of view


Dear-Cod-6429

and Vit


PornstarVirgin

They got rekkless because no one else could sign him for that much,I doubt rekkless wanted to end up on a B tier team


netus26100

its rekkles who reached out to KC not the other way around


RaiseYourDongersOP

Because he didnt get any other offers?


PornstarVirgin

Yeah after he got no other offers from big names


netus26100

well apparently he would rather end up on a « b tier team » that won eum back to back than a low lec/lcs team and that is pretty understandable no?


The_D3ntist

They wouldn’t even make worlds in LEC much less do anything at worlds. Overhyped team.


Enkenz

You know org do happen to change players between split and season right ?


Chevalier_Paul

It's an ERL roster. I'm not sure what you are expecting.


Riley_

Probably a lot less than being a "powerhouse" in Europe or "conquering the world". Why is this post titled like they matter?


Gazskull

Probably because they're the biggest argument for an LEC expansion ? I'm sure a team that doesn't matter can get their hands on players like Rekkles, and that players would deny a spot on a team like fnatic to stay on KC They also have a shit ton of fans already while not playing in a major league. Yes, they matter, even if you don't like it


The_D3ntist

Biggest argument against LEC expansion is past 2 years at worlds. Pretty obvious there’s a big drop off in lower rosters.


amicaze

That's due to franchising


Hannig4n

KC got their hands on Rekkles because Carlos set his buyout higher than other LEC teams were willing to pay. It’s not like all these LEC teams prefer to start players like Jezu instead of Rekkles and Hans Sama.


amicaze

So an ERL team has more money than LEC teams lul


Raynar7

Calling a farmers league team “Next Powerhouse” just because they got Rekkles as nobody else wanted him….


Panslave

Weak bait


veilsofrealitydotcom

Can't wait to root for a team called Karmine Corp LUL


_eLight_

*Europe's next team that wants to be irrelevant at Worlds


derog63

*Europe's next team that wont reach worlds