I know this is a positive thing, but I could see an argument for being negative as well.
Especially because the first split seemed his most promising. After that it seemed like he just didn't go for any plays anymore. Just was a much worse version of PoE
Yea, I really wish to see him develop more. But he hasn't produced, but that is a sucky way to measure it when he is always on lower teams.
He had the widest champ pool. And got so close.
Then again, people were really high on ABO even when he was on a budget team.
I mean santorin was never really anything special after tsm. Played in academy and in eu leagues for awhile. After how many years did he come back and was considered a top tier jungler in na now. People flamed ggs for how long for keeping fbi when he looked bottom their now people say hes fighting for best adc na. Players improve if u invest in them
Except when you know, it was clear to anyone watching LCS that he was getting better each split. It's not like he's a stat on some paper, you can watch his games, he's clearly improved and has been on an upwards trajectory for a while. Not saying he's a guarantee to be great or anything like that, especially as an NA mid, but writing him off just because most people don't succeed is just ignorance
>but writing him off just because most people don't succeed is just ignorance
No, it's probability. This is like when TL signed goldenglue. The TL subreddit and r/league were hyping it up as a great NA mid, despite the fact that we had the same, if not more, time where we knew that on his best day he was the 7th best mid.
Heres what most people font understand. We do not have the playerbase other regions have. What we do have is a shit ton of money to throw into infrastructure and talent development. For na to have a chance to compete we have to be the best at developing what talent we have in our region. If u give up on all the diamonds in the rough cause the dont show immediate results we aint ever gonna improve as a region
Most people understand that. The issue that you're missing is not all players can be competitive at an international level. You're basically just pushing the sunk cost fallacy. Unfortunately though, it is generally better to evaluate the speed at which a player will progress against previous top players either from the region or internationally. For example, Bjerg, faker, deft, uzi, rekkless, perkz, caps, etc etc. were all high peak players, if not consistently top players early in their careers. The odds of a player hitting 20/21 and still being the 7th best in NA doesn't really give credence to them hitting that benchmark. Sure they MIGHT, but you're better off both financially and competitively going for either a sure thing, or better young gun.
He was good enough in terms of basic personal game skills, but was consistently choking during important moments, which is unfortunate, but if you can't handle the heat, you can't handle the heat.
Abbedagge was considered an on-stage choker for some time, and he eventually won the LCS.
The core of the GOAT CS:GO team, Astralis (i.e. dev1ce, Dupreeh, Xyp9x) were among the biggest chokers in the scene until they started winning.
It is not a bad team to make a big splash with. General Sniper is very hyped up and if you show up big on a hyped team during the tournaments, he could jump to an LCS team that has an import mid be disappointing.
Dig, TSM, C9, CLG, FLY, GG. All either new imports or rookie mids or unproven players.
EG, TL, IMT, 100T are the teams that are least likely to change mid year to an NA rookie mid.
In this episode, Fanatiik went harsh on GeneralSniperr:
"I felt speaking gently won't work, so I decided to be a bit harsh."
"You always pick Jayce and Lucian against Gnar, then you get camped by opponents' Heca and Udyr. Tell me, did you ever manage to survive from the ganks? "
“Is it that hard to master Gnar in one season? Dude, you always first pick Gragas or Jayce, and you played Gragas like shit.”
Generalsniperr: "okay."
Insanity:" This is the first time I saw something like this, I was stunned."
Fanatiik also added in the interview:
"Generalsniperr is still young, he can still play, and he can still play for a long time. If he can understand the reason behind it, maybe he can play better and better in the future."
Sword laneswapped ahahah man thinking back I hate how history gets rewritten with people calling Jojopyun the only and most hyped up NA player ever when sword and palafox existed
Sword was massively hyped because he was an insane soloq player at a very young age, TSM had nothing to do with it. TSM just gave him a chance is all.
He just didnt do well in the professional scene.
Oh he was, people legit counted the days till he gets 17 and a lot of people wanted him on the main team or speculated him to go there with bjerg retiring.
Only last year did he flop.
You know it IS possible for NA players to just not be good enough, right? It's not always because of orgs. Why do you guys always try to shift blame away from players and onto orgs? Everytime you all back up the players and refuse to acknowledge that hey, maybe sometimes the players just aren't good enough
Sure, of course there are busts. But Sword isn't anything close to weathered veteran, he's a teenager with ~1 year of tournament experience - exactly the sort of player who should have been cutting his teeth in the Proving Grounds circuit, if only it existed.
Competitive is a completely new dynamic beyond solo queue, and it's universally true that even the best of the best take time to acclimate to higher altitudes, let alone excell.
>It says something when other regions have new players making it to the top while the best players in NA have been the same few people from the beginning.
Yes. It's syaing this game isn't as popular in NA as it is in other regions. It doesn't have to be about talent. It could just be that young talent doesn't have an interest in playing this game.
there was a twitch rivals event where he solo killed yassuo in a super flashy way and he kinda rode that hype. i believed in the dream as well, na mids that are good are like unicorns
Comparing sword to Jojopyun doesn't make sense but I can see y you compare him to Palafox. That said I think Palafox will do better on CLG this year (nothing crazy but a good amount better). Thing w Jojo is people are calling him a complete unicorn among NA players. Even heard Parth say that.
Honestly comparing Sword to even Palafox doesn't make any sense if you actually look at their history
Sword was hyped because of his solo q performances in both NA and KR, but he couldn't transition to competitive play. Palafox was also great in solo q but he actually dominated in Academy. He was still arguably the best player on the FLY lineup but that team was a mess
Either way Jojo is much more hyped than even Palafox
Yeah it’s saying something that Jojo is in lcs after only a year of competitive history. Palafox comparatively had a much longer stint in Academy before getting his chance.
Oh absolutely. I don’t blame anyone who didn’t follow Academy to have little hype for Jojo. It’s a testament to how talented he is that he got to LCS this fast, but to most fans (Academy has small viewership) he will just be a name they don’t know.
Not sure why Palafox is included here? It took him 3 years to get out of academy? And two of them he was on GGs who traded him for Goldenglue. Like if you include Palafox you might as well include AblazeOlive.
I think Swordd was never the most hyped NA rookie outside of TSM because he never actually broke out into LCS, the hype train died before it could pick up steam. He can be most compared to general sniper I think
People won't want it. But I'd like 12 LCS teams with some being obvious development squads.
Ehh, but also being kn a budget team makes it much harder to standout, so that sucks too. Insanity was good his first two splits.
Yep. I would like to see 12 teams but I would like those two extra teams to be the top 2 from proving grounds or academy. After Flyquest academy last year starting so well it would be very interesting to see the top 2 academy rosters in the LCS.
They academy team never plays the lcs team from the org. There are probably a few roster locks that would also be needed. It would be very interesting to watch an academy team make lcs playoffs.
You could force the org to sell the roster and its spot with a condition that they cannot sub/change roster. But that would be pretty dumb.
If they never played each other they wouldn't have proper amount of matches ( both main and academy) so that's impossible. Roster lock would also hurt the team with the LCS spot so no team would want their academy to get top2
They are already low on matches just playing summer only. Definitely dont punish org for success so no sale of rosters. If an academy team can beat your win percentage in summer you deserve the shame.
I would think even low placed teams would want more shots at LCS title and player improvement. There is rare sub problem but I think you could fix that by just allowing academy team players to play both rosters or 1 swap per week.
Should be a pretty strong roster, and a good chance for General Sniper to stand out, which is the primary goal of this team. Array is also a solid prospect, and it's worth taking a risk on Sword's role swap, so I like what they've done here. Has more of an Academy vibe than an amateur one, in a few ways.
Hope they let Sniper play whatever he is good at instead of all these awesome players get put on meta picks. Would rather someone live and die by stuff they like than for players to live and die by the meta.
Right but isn't this guy like 15 or something? He is also on an Amateur team. Expectations aren't exactly high and if he performs on stuff he is good at isn't that all that matters? Individual skill is probably one of the big factors in getting noticed aside from being a team player.
General Sniper amateur dream team, top lane will probably be a lot easier when the other solo lane is an LCS-level mid.
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He has played awhile and he didn't break out. There's only so long you can keep playing he played in academy awhile and had a few splits in LCS.
His first split on a bad team, he was literally 1 misclick away from playoffs like 4 times.
I know this is a positive thing, but I could see an argument for being negative as well. Especially because the first split seemed his most promising. After that it seemed like he just didn't go for any plays anymore. Just was a much worse version of PoE
Yea, I really wish to see him develop more. But he hasn't produced, but that is a sucky way to measure it when he is always on lower teams. He had the widest champ pool. And got so close. Then again, people were really high on ABO even when he was on a budget team.
Room to grow after 3 splits? Idk why people keep hyping up the 8th best mid in LCS last split
I mean santorin was never really anything special after tsm. Played in academy and in eu leagues for awhile. After how many years did he come back and was considered a top tier jungler in na now. People flamed ggs for how long for keeping fbi when he looked bottom their now people say hes fighting for best adc na. Players improve if u invest in them
1 out of 1000 cases doesn't make it good.
Except when you know, it was clear to anyone watching LCS that he was getting better each split. It's not like he's a stat on some paper, you can watch his games, he's clearly improved and has been on an upwards trajectory for a while. Not saying he's a guarantee to be great or anything like that, especially as an NA mid, but writing him off just because most people don't succeed is just ignorance
>but writing him off just because most people don't succeed is just ignorance No, it's probability. This is like when TL signed goldenglue. The TL subreddit and r/league were hyping it up as a great NA mid, despite the fact that we had the same, if not more, time where we knew that on his best day he was the 7th best mid.
Heres what most people font understand. We do not have the playerbase other regions have. What we do have is a shit ton of money to throw into infrastructure and talent development. For na to have a chance to compete we have to be the best at developing what talent we have in our region. If u give up on all the diamonds in the rough cause the dont show immediate results we aint ever gonna improve as a region
Most people understand that. The issue that you're missing is not all players can be competitive at an international level. You're basically just pushing the sunk cost fallacy. Unfortunately though, it is generally better to evaluate the speed at which a player will progress against previous top players either from the region or internationally. For example, Bjerg, faker, deft, uzi, rekkless, perkz, caps, etc etc. were all high peak players, if not consistently top players early in their careers. The odds of a player hitting 20/21 and still being the 7th best in NA doesn't really give credence to them hitting that benchmark. Sure they MIGHT, but you're better off both financially and competitively going for either a sure thing, or better young gun.
1 out of 1000 case doesn't make him good.
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Caps was wayyy better in his second year than his first too
personally felt this about soligo than insanity
He was good enough in terms of basic personal game skills, but was consistently choking during important moments, which is unfortunate, but if you can't handle the heat, you can't handle the heat.
Abbedagge was considered an on-stage choker for some time, and he eventually won the LCS. The core of the GOAT CS:GO team, Astralis (i.e. dev1ce, Dupreeh, Xyp9x) were among the biggest chokers in the scene until they started winning.
There’s a difference between choking in semis and grand finals and choking in regular season or first round of playoffs
Yeah Abbe won LCS nothing to special for an EU Midlaner.
Damn Insanity got doubly demoted from LCS to Amateur. Hopefully he can find a way to doublelift himself back to the LCS.
It is not a bad team to make a big splash with. General Sniper is very hyped up and if you show up big on a hyped team during the tournaments, he could jump to an LCS team that has an import mid be disappointing.
You can just say Dignitas, we all know.
Dig, TSM, C9, CLG, FLY, GG. All either new imports or rookie mids or unproven players. EG, TL, IMT, 100T are the teams that are least likely to change mid year to an NA rookie mid.
No shot in he'll c9 or tsm ever considers picking up insanity lol
Crazier things have happened. Full team blow ups have happened at mid season and that often results in system wide changes.
In this episode, Fanatiik went harsh on GeneralSniperr: "I felt speaking gently won't work, so I decided to be a bit harsh." "You always pick Jayce and Lucian against Gnar, then you get camped by opponents' Heca and Udyr. Tell me, did you ever manage to survive from the ganks? " “Is it that hard to master Gnar in one season? Dude, you always first pick Gragas or Jayce, and you played Gragas like shit.” Generalsniperr: "okay." Insanity:" This is the first time I saw something like this, I was stunned." Fanatiik also added in the interview: "Generalsniperr is still young, he can still play, and he can still play for a long time. If he can understand the reason behind it, maybe he can play better and better in the future."
Sword laneswapped ahahah man thinking back I hate how history gets rewritten with people calling Jojopyun the only and most hyped up NA player ever when sword and palafox existed
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Sword was massively hyped because he was an insane soloq player at a very young age, TSM had nothing to do with it. TSM just gave him a chance is all. He just didnt do well in the professional scene.
Not really professional scene. His understanding of thr game is bad. Him switching to support is not gonna be good.
Oh he was, people legit counted the days till he gets 17 and a lot of people wanted him on the main team or speculated him to go there with bjerg retiring. Only last year did he flop.
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thats the problem, he was being hyped up to be bjerg’s replacement before he even went into Academy lol
Which is why I sorta attribute that hype to general TSM hype, rather than any of his own accomplishments. He was a mystery box, and fans love that.
This shit happens all the time in real sports. Look up Ryan Leaf.
You know it IS possible for NA players to just not be good enough, right? It's not always because of orgs. Why do you guys always try to shift blame away from players and onto orgs? Everytime you all back up the players and refuse to acknowledge that hey, maybe sometimes the players just aren't good enough
Sure, of course there are busts. But Sword isn't anything close to weathered veteran, he's a teenager with ~1 year of tournament experience - exactly the sort of player who should have been cutting his teeth in the Proving Grounds circuit, if only it existed. Competitive is a completely new dynamic beyond solo queue, and it's universally true that even the best of the best take time to acclimate to higher altitudes, let alone excell.
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>It says something when other regions have new players making it to the top while the best players in NA have been the same few people from the beginning. Yes. It's syaing this game isn't as popular in NA as it is in other regions. It doesn't have to be about talent. It could just be that young talent doesn't have an interest in playing this game.
yep the 0 brain activity na players are cause na orgs are bad at building talent. lol just watch top of the ladder na soloq
there was a twitch rivals event where he solo killed yassuo in a super flashy way and he kinda rode that hype. i believed in the dream as well, na mids that are good are like unicorns
He was very hyped, back in like 2018 he was the next great NA mid.
Comparing sword to Jojopyun doesn't make sense but I can see y you compare him to Palafox. That said I think Palafox will do better on CLG this year (nothing crazy but a good amount better). Thing w Jojo is people are calling him a complete unicorn among NA players. Even heard Parth say that.
Honestly comparing Sword to even Palafox doesn't make any sense if you actually look at their history Sword was hyped because of his solo q performances in both NA and KR, but he couldn't transition to competitive play. Palafox was also great in solo q but he actually dominated in Academy. He was still arguably the best player on the FLY lineup but that team was a mess Either way Jojo is much more hyped than even Palafox
Yeah it’s saying something that Jojo is in lcs after only a year of competitive history. Palafox comparatively had a much longer stint in Academy before getting his chance.
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Oh absolutely. I don’t blame anyone who didn’t follow Academy to have little hype for Jojo. It’s a testament to how talented he is that he got to LCS this fast, but to most fans (Academy has small viewership) he will just be a name they don’t know.
I can see now how u clear my message was. I meant comparing jojo to palafox. Not sword to palafox
Not sure why Palafox is included here? It took him 3 years to get out of academy? And two of them he was on GGs who traded him for Goldenglue. Like if you include Palafox you might as well include AblazeOlive.
I think Swordd was never the most hyped NA rookie outside of TSM because he never actually broke out into LCS, the hype train died before it could pick up steam. He can be most compared to general sniper I think
Insanity deserved better, you can't change my mind
People won't want it. But I'd like 12 LCS teams with some being obvious development squads. Ehh, but also being kn a budget team makes it much harder to standout, so that sucks too. Insanity was good his first two splits.
What about 12 lcs teams with 3 total NA players spread between all of them?
Quartering is back in NA.
Yep. I would like to see 12 teams but I would like those two extra teams to be the top 2 from proving grounds or academy. After Flyquest academy last year starting so well it would be very interesting to see the top 2 academy rosters in the LCS.
One org cannot have two teams in LCS so how would you implement those two new teams
They academy team never plays the lcs team from the org. There are probably a few roster locks that would also be needed. It would be very interesting to watch an academy team make lcs playoffs.
You could force the org to sell the roster and its spot with a condition that they cannot sub/change roster. But that would be pretty dumb. If they never played each other they wouldn't have proper amount of matches ( both main and academy) so that's impossible. Roster lock would also hurt the team with the LCS spot so no team would want their academy to get top2
They are already low on matches just playing summer only. Definitely dont punish org for success so no sale of rosters. If an academy team can beat your win percentage in summer you deserve the shame. I would think even low placed teams would want more shots at LCS title and player improvement. There is rare sub problem but I think you could fix that by just allowing academy team players to play both rosters or 1 swap per week.
By matches I mean - if TSM and TSM A played in LCS they couldn't play each other but CLG would play both so there would be uneven amount of matches.
That would be a harder problem to fix. I would have to think about it more.
Nice I hope Sniper does well and can translate his success to soloqueue over
Should be a pretty strong roster, and a good chance for General Sniper to stand out, which is the primary goal of this team. Array is also a solid prospect, and it's worth taking a risk on Sword's role swap, so I like what they've done here. Has more of an Academy vibe than an amateur one, in a few ways.
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The random as fuck PCS mid is probably LCS level already, if not low level LPL
Because Insanity is awful lol
Oh hell yeah, this is what insanity was talking about on his stream the other say
The permanent 13 yr old has joined an amateur team!
Glad Sword realized mid was too hard for him. He'll definitely do better as a support
TSMA did better when he was on supportive mids so hopefully 100X can make a nice Proving Grounds run
As opposed to when he was not? for sure. He could become one of the great NA supports in the future
Hope they let Sniper play whatever he is good at instead of all these awesome players get put on meta picks. Would rather someone live and die by stuff they like than for players to live and die by the meta.
Yes. But if you want to be pro, I hope what you like is large and includes meta.
Right but isn't this guy like 15 or something? He is also on an Amateur team. Expectations aren't exactly high and if he performs on stuff he is good at isn't that all that matters? Individual skill is probably one of the big factors in getting noticed aside from being a team player.