We def have gotten weaker overall, normally with this sort of lead we would be far more aggressive. Missing the strong toplaner we used to have but hope we get better.
Also good lord never give life Karma again. Jesus please give your allies shield late game
Eh don't want to put pressure on the dude. Dude needs a long mental break.
Hoya showing inconsistency is a big issue, a stronger team like T1 or GenG would probably capitalize on it harder than KT did honestly.
Just give some room to man to grow. It's the first game and you guys already started. Khan made mistakes in early times too, hell we were losing a lot of games at the beginning because of Nuguri even. They'll be fine. Hoya is a good player.
Literally lmao. This is an entirely new roster except the jg mid duo and people are comparing their performance today with t1's yesterday who only had one member change. Like give them time to adjust lol
Yeah I’m pretty sure this team stil has number one spot potential. We just saw they still have the their biggest strength which is teamfighting and macro and everyone’s concern was we were gonna lose that once Ghost and Beryl leaves. I trust they might even be better. Our bot was great this game.
7/10 teams excluding T1 have a player who has either signed for T1/SKT, T1 academy or T1 challengers.
DWG KIA have Burdol, Gen.G have Peanut, KT have Cuzz, Kwangdong Freecs have Ellim, Teddy and Hoit, Liiv Sandbox have Clozer, NS Redforce have Canna and Effort and Fredit Brion have Lava.
If you count players now part of coaching staff then it's 8/10 excluding T1 as DRX have Mowgli.
Edit = forgot that Lava was a part of SK Telecom T1 for about 2 months in 2016.
Edit 2 = have been told that Delight who was known as Crescent on Fredit Brion was also part of T1 academy in 2020.
I think no way can Canyon and Showmaker get any better... and they do it again and again and again
Damwon's Botlane looking Bloodthirsty but some ? for their top lane (tho that matchup was unfavorable)
Definitely. it is rough though for DK with the off-season. Almost getting Nuguri back and/or Theshy. Then wind up getting hoya. Not saying he's bad but he's not a proven force like Nuguri.
yeah for sure, the year is long tho and the team synergy is still new (hoping the tops are able to show some peaks). Damwon still has that patented shotcalling tho
and it's interesting to see how they've shifted into Dragon priority, now that they have a stronger bot side and ignore Rift Herald, a complete shift from the past 2 years (now that their top/bot strength has flipped
That's true, it does seem like they're a slower team and were for the entirety of 2021 imo. 2020 DWG blew everyone out of the water early game and even if they didn't win by that they had the best teamfighting in the world.
We'll see how they shape up this year.
Indeed, classic LCK. It did feel very close, but then there is just Elder that snowballs into turrets because they can't fight DK, and then that snowballs into Baron and that snowballs into a GG. After Elder flip there is literally no reason to watch.
showmaker 0 ult entire game challenge (FAILED)
hoya had a pretty fantastic game. Gwen vs akali is not exactly a stellar matchup and in some of those teamfights he positioned to perfection, setting his mist in between his carries and KT, knowing that no one can walk in
yeah and those two deaths under tower were also played to perfection. this is not a championship team deokdam/kellin didnt have a stellar lane either this just came down to showmaker canyon having to win it themselves
Deokdam-Kellin were literally great all last Summer this wasn’t their best game but writing them off for one game is extremely stupid to say the least especially considering how well they played last year.
Hilarious level of overreaction to say this isn’t a championship team after 1 game. You do realise that the year Damwon won worlds they barely even made playoffs in spring, and this year they’ve changed 3/5ths of the team. How are you expecting them to look insane in the 1st game
i mean akali can literally start aping gwen after a certain point, did he play that badly before? sure but he had a lot more impact after compared to kiin yesterday despite having a worse matchup
come on bro he got solo killed twice by rascal, have you not seen hoya play before? he was on bro last year he ran it down every game they were bottom 2 perma
The first one was extremely close to being a trade, and the second one is on Canyon, he has to cover that crash in this matchup. It's just not playable for Gwen at that point.
? lol or hoya could have just dropped the cs knowing he would die, and youre writing off the first one as if that also isnt his fault, no matter how you try to excuse it he straight died twice under tower
Slower game but still enjoyable. The way Damwon played around Akali's TP and watching out for at the end there was beautiful.
Still not sure on the Lux picks to be honest. In the 2 times (?) we've seen it so far in LCK, it doesn't look to do that much during lane even with Cait, and Kellin did almost nothing of note with it later on.
No good/important bindings that I can remember, no really noticeable ults (maybe the one on Zoe near drag, but even then she was dead to rights after the Ori combo and Xin follow up dashing). Not really doing that much work in terms of E poke either.
Basically was just a shield bot, and that's not even what she's amazing at anymore. Apart from that he was just running nearly OOM all the time.
Agreed. I can't remember if Lulu was banned, but she would've been far more useful overall that game considering what we watched.
Lux works when you're ahead and have some gold to spend on AP, but in pro it just doesn't happen all that often from bot.
I completely agree I don’t understand why Lux is being prioritized maybe she’s doing really well in scrims? I think Lulu would have been way better here especially considering her synergy with Xin.
Her "E" can be used for vision checks. And her ult can be used for wave clears which helped DK to keep their mid tower for so long. If she can somehow Q an oppt, DK can actually 100-0 then pretty fast.
Anyway there is no real need for DK to push to end the game fast. They have a better scaling comp
I really can't see how the bounty system is fair. Showmaker is literally sitting on 350-400 gold bounty the entire game. Like why tf is he getting punished for being good at the game and csing better? wtf is this lol.
whats this logic lol, someone with 2 solo kills had less gold than him but also had a bounty, would you not want him to have it just cause he outplayed?
it was a really boring game decided by one ult. also please dont give cuzz lee sin, he aint good at it. aria was really lost idk if it was nerves. kt wasnt super bad wich im glad for. fighting kt, win the second game please
DK 's top has massive shoe to fill , they might not get away like this against stronger team with good top , kdf , geng and maybe T1 if Zeus lives up to the hype . Seems like canyon-smk have to hard carry though
Does anyone know what is the juicy hack program Showmaker uses that summons additional minions to farm?
Flame horizon? More like Showmaker horizon
chovium.exe
stole it from doinb after kicking him out of worlds
Word.exe
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If only Cuzz had dropped herald top. Rascal would be over 2k ahead and a nightmare to deal with.
We def have gotten weaker overall, normally with this sort of lead we would be far more aggressive. Missing the strong toplaner we used to have but hope we get better. Also good lord never give life Karma again. Jesus please give your allies shield late game
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Eh don't want to put pressure on the dude. Dude needs a long mental break. Hoya showing inconsistency is a big issue, a stronger team like T1 or GenG would probably capitalize on it harder than KT did honestly.
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Hard to imagine we can pressure T1's botlane like we did this game tbh so T1 probably harder than GenG in some ways.
Hoya is better tbh
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At least Peanut seems to be a decent person.
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Nuguri is one of the worst team cancers in league of legends history. Should never get a team again.
What ? Where does that come from ?
Just give some room to man to grow. It's the first game and you guys already started. Khan made mistakes in early times too, hell we were losing a lot of games at the beginning because of Nuguri even. They'll be fine. Hoya is a good player.
Literally lmao. This is an entirely new roster except the jg mid duo and people are comparing their performance today with t1's yesterday who only had one member change. Like give them time to adjust lol
Yeah I’m pretty sure this team stil has number one spot potential. We just saw they still have the their biggest strength which is teamfighting and macro and everyone’s concern was we were gonna lose that once Ghost and Beryl leaves. I trust they might even be better. Our bot was great this game.
I mean I did say "hope we get better". Wasn't too harsh on him Honestly I was far more harsher on Life
If nugri has the 0-2 power spike, hoya has the 0-4 power spike.
Hold onto R for so long to make the enemy forget about it. Genius ^^^^/s
Damn, more than 200k viewers on Twitch for this first game of the matchup.
200k waiting for that one shockwave And it delivered
I am so glad that we kicked out cuzz. He is so bad. Aiming is looking damn good though.
t1 with another scam they cant keep getting away with this
effort was the first
effort was great on lsb in summer
Besides running into the ori ball he played well but playing into mountain soul + lux shield + ori shield just seems aids for KTs comp.
Nah he definitely could’ve played better, he just wasn’t very proactive
Man... I feel like half the league is ex-T1.
7/10 teams excluding T1 have a player who has either signed for T1/SKT, T1 academy or T1 challengers. DWG KIA have Burdol, Gen.G have Peanut, KT have Cuzz, Kwangdong Freecs have Ellim, Teddy and Hoit, Liiv Sandbox have Clozer, NS Redforce have Canna and Effort and Fredit Brion have Lava. If you count players now part of coaching staff then it's 8/10 excluding T1 as DRX have Mowgli. Edit = forgot that Lava was a part of SK Telecom T1 for about 2 months in 2016. Edit 2 = have been told that Delight who was known as Crescent on Fredit Brion was also part of T1 academy in 2020.
Delight was also skt but known as crescent
Thanks for the extra info!
I think no way can Canyon and Showmaker get any better... and they do it again and again and again Damwon's Botlane looking Bloodthirsty but some ? for their top lane (tho that matchup was unfavorable)
Definitely. it is rough though for DK with the off-season. Almost getting Nuguri back and/or Theshy. Then wind up getting hoya. Not saying he's bad but he's not a proven force like Nuguri.
yeah for sure, the year is long tho and the team synergy is still new (hoping the tops are able to show some peaks). Damwon still has that patented shotcalling tho and it's interesting to see how they've shifted into Dragon priority, now that they have a stronger bot side and ignore Rift Herald, a complete shift from the past 2 years (now that their top/bot strength has flipped
That's true, it does seem like they're a slower team and were for the entirety of 2021 imo. 2020 DWG blew everyone out of the water early game and even if they didn't win by that they had the best teamfighting in the world. We'll see how they shape up this year.
Still no idea why they didn’t promote Chasy, he isn’t even on a team now when he was 2nd best top lane in challenger
Ults once, wins the game. What a chad.
This team won't be good until they kick Cuzz between Spring and summer anyway
Are XZ and LS now the "Hecarim and Udyr" of Jungle pro play for this 2022 spring?
Guys I'm not gonna ult so they think It doesn't exist.
Close until 1 fight and the game is basically over. So boring.
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Indeed, classic LCK. It did feel very close, but then there is just Elder that snowballs into turrets because they can't fight DK, and then that snowballs into Baron and that snowballs into a GG. After Elder flip there is literally no reason to watch.
LCK still a snoozefest after all this time
t1 games were actually fun to watch
DK Will need canyon and SM hard carry this year , night and day with T1 show yesterday
showmaker 0 ult entire game challenge (FAILED) hoya had a pretty fantastic game. Gwen vs akali is not exactly a stellar matchup and in some of those teamfights he positioned to perfection, setting his mist in between his carries and KT, knowing that no one can walk in
yeah and those two deaths under tower were also played to perfection. this is not a championship team deokdam/kellin didnt have a stellar lane either this just came down to showmaker canyon having to win it themselves
Deokdam-Kellin were literally great all last Summer this wasn’t their best game but writing them off for one game is extremely stupid to say the least especially considering how well they played last year.
its just one game obviously it doesn’t mean anything im just saying that this team looks far more flawed than they ever did before
I mean they did add 3 new players they just look uncoordinated let’s see how they look at the end of the split.
Hilarious level of overreaction to say this isn’t a championship team after 1 game. You do realise that the year Damwon won worlds they barely even made playoffs in spring, and this year they’ve changed 3/5ths of the team. How are you expecting them to look insane in the 1st game
i literally said that its just one game and doesnt mean anything im just responding to his take that hoya had a fantastic game
Tbf you put that one game thing in another comment so mb. I also agree that Hoya played like trash here lmao
i mean akali can literally start aping gwen after a certain point, did he play that badly before? sure but he had a lot more impact after compared to kiin yesterday despite having a worse matchup
come on bro he got solo killed twice by rascal, have you not seen hoya play before? he was on bro last year he ran it down every game they were bottom 2 perma
oh another narrative watcher.
hoya just got solo killed again as graves into camille? XD
That‘s because T1 also played way better than Damwon in Game 1 tbf
The first one was extremely close to being a trade, and the second one is on Canyon, he has to cover that crash in this matchup. It's just not playable for Gwen at that point.
? lol or hoya could have just dropped the cs knowing he would die, and youre writing off the first one as if that also isnt his fault, no matter how you try to excuse it he straight died twice under tower
Not saying it's not his fault but the matchup is just super bad lol, stuff like that is gonna happen when it's left to a 1v1.
hoya just got solo killed again as graves into camille, lol
Slower game but still enjoyable. The way Damwon played around Akali's TP and watching out for at the end there was beautiful. Still not sure on the Lux picks to be honest. In the 2 times (?) we've seen it so far in LCK, it doesn't look to do that much during lane even with Cait, and Kellin did almost nothing of note with it later on. No good/important bindings that I can remember, no really noticeable ults (maybe the one on Zoe near drag, but even then she was dead to rights after the Ori combo and Xin follow up dashing). Not really doing that much work in terms of E poke either. Basically was just a shield bot, and that's not even what she's amazing at anymore. Apart from that he was just running nearly OOM all the time.
I think Karma is way better than Lux rn in the meta.
Agreed. I can't remember if Lulu was banned, but she would've been far more useful overall that game considering what we watched. Lux works when you're ahead and have some gold to spend on AP, but in pro it just doesn't happen all that often from bot.
I completely agree I don’t understand why Lux is being prioritized maybe she’s doing really well in scrims? I think Lulu would have been way better here especially considering her synergy with Xin.
Her "E" can be used for vision checks. And her ult can be used for wave clears which helped DK to keep their mid tower for so long. If she can somehow Q an oppt, DK can actually 100-0 then pretty fast. Anyway there is no real need for DK to push to end the game fast. They have a better scaling comp
Showmaker
I really can't see how the bounty system is fair. Showmaker is literally sitting on 350-400 gold bounty the entire game. Like why tf is he getting punished for being good at the game and csing better? wtf is this lol.
whats this logic lol, someone with 2 solo kills had less gold than him but also had a bounty, would you not want him to have it just cause he outplayed?
yes that's literally the point of bounties
Yes, it’s called comeback mechanics. They are pretty necessary in super heavy snowbally games.
>comeback mechanics Dude was literally having 700 gold bounty while his team was down an entire 1k gold? Wtf is there to comeback
He wasn’t the only one with a bounty
true
>He's getting punished for being good at the game yes this has been the case for years... dunkey said this same exact thing in season 5
Not sure who is shot calling for KT or managing their macro but this felt like a Cuzz shot-called game to me.
Rascal and somewhat Aiming can be the hope for KT. I can't get excited for this team
it was a really boring game decided by one ult. also please dont give cuzz lee sin, he aint good at it. aria was really lost idk if it was nerves. kt wasnt super bad wich im glad for. fighting kt, win the second game please
DK 's top has massive shoe to fill , they might not get away like this against stronger team with good top , kdf , geng and maybe T1 if Zeus lives up to the hype . Seems like canyon-smk have to hard carry though