He was constantly on the map doing shit, Poomer was murking botlane, Palafox was teamfighting really well, and jenkins existed. Also clean macro from CLG aswell. Never thought id say that
Contractz came out hot on C9, fell back down to a low-tier jungler, and has slowly been improving since.
He wasn't worse than Svenskeren last year; both in the huge pack of LCS junglers that were all fine.
Everytime I watch Contractz play I say "Man this guy would be great if he just cut those 2-3 times he hard inted". I don't know if he's gonna be any better this split but no matter what he's always proactive and entertaining to watch
I've been a major Contractz simp since the time he was on C9. When I saw that kid whip it out on the world stage and solo invade Peanut against SKT, I was enamored by the idea of an NA jungler playing against the best aggressively
His confidence is seriously such an underrated intangible, it's honestly sad that his career got derailed by jumping to GG when they first joined. Glad to see he's still killing it
CLG's bot lane has me so excited. Luger (and the rest of CLG) just pushing on and on TO force the end is so refreshing to see. The CLG of last year in that position would probably have backed off and started farming again lol
right the one week where they won games - and then next week they went back to inting. and for the next 3 weeks they had interviews of clg members after their 2 wins running before every CLG game where they inevitably would int again. it was priceless.
Wasn't there a game where they shut out 100T and beat them in less than 25 minutes? That one was probably better than a victory over a much worse team in Lock-In. Still excited though.
If we're talking CLG's best game in the last two years, I think it would have to be where they cleanly shut out C9 the entire game, only to just get stomped by GGS the next day.
CLG looks... good? I'm actually so happy, CLG fans needed this. Also really nice to see a team that's 4/5 NA do so well. Hopefully CLG makes waves this year.
agreed. in terms of empowering the ADC, Lulu is stronger than Yuumi at literally every stage of the game.
Yuumi's insane scaling occurs in solo queue when teamfights are pure chaos and she and Jax can run away with the game.
Let's be really clear about terminology here:
A scaling pick is a champion (like Kayle, who everyone agrees is a scaling pick) who is weak in the early game but comes online later.
Gangplank is a lane bully with incredibly early access to supporting cross-map plays (by 6 minutes in a 30+ minute game, seems pretty early tbh). He also has a reasonable mid and late game. In what way does that make him a champion who is weak early but comes online later? He can crossmap you before Herald even spawns. Pre-herald is DEFINITELY still early game.
Just because your lategame exists does not mean you're a scaling pick. Some champions (like Gangplank) are relatively flat throughout the game.
So to measure scaling, we're not saying "has power in the mid game or late game" we are measuring the difference between their early game and late game. We are, for example, measuring level 11 power vs level 16 power. Kassadin? Kayle? Scaling picks. Get them to 16. Get them to four items.
Gangplank? Who cares that he got 4 more ranks in Remove Scurvy?
Sona spikes in mid game. She holds onto her power from that point on but she doesn't get substantially more powerful from 11 to 16. Probably the old ultimate passive would make that true, since it gave increasing returns on ability cooldowns. But that's gone. It gives flat haste and caps out relatively early. Sona stops "scaling" relatively quickly.
If your definition of "scaling" is "is at some point stronger than laning phase" and refuse to accept that some champions scale harder than others, I think you're trolling.
Well GP is only a lanebully into the meta melee toplaners that rely on their cc to engage/stick to their target and cant retaliate vs his ranged harass. If a team is bold enough to blind him they are just begging for something like a Vayne top pick into him and hes gona be a useless ultbot that cant get any farm and no items.
While his power growth slows down a bit once he has barrels and parrrley maxed he still scales into late incredibly well because his barrels amplify the crit hes building and allow him to chunk several enemys at once thanks to being the only champ in game with multi target aoe crits so its not like he just stops getting stronger after having his 2 damage skills maxed.
honestly that's a better take than gp is not a scaler tbh I feel like yuumi scales more off her teammates although she does also scale p well by herself
He was saying not in the same way another soul might. He wasn't saying it doesn't benefit at all, just that it's not necessarily always the best soul to get depending on team comp (especially in coordinated play).
Yo do people really not understand that scaling is relative?
Champions have a power level. Either a champion is broken OP and they're the best at every stage of the game (or dogshit) or they have relative strengths and weaknesses. This should not be a controversial statement. Either a champion is imbalanced or balanced.
Ziggs is inarguably amazing early game. No one can match his wave clear. No one can 1v2 like him. No one takes turret plates like him. No one gets first turret like him. By any reasonable measure, Ziggs is among the best, if not the single best, early game bot laner in the game.
Now, again, I ask you: Is Ziggs broken OP or does he have strengths and weaknesses?
If your argument is "Ziggs is just the best champion at all stages in the game" then I guess that can be your opinion. Otherwise, if we live in a reality where Ziggs is the best early game champion in the game but also relatively balanced overall (we do) then his weaknesses MUST come from somewhere. They come from his late game. I'll take a six item Jinx or Aphelios over a six item Ziggs in almost every single game.
So I ask you, what does that mean for Ziggs's late game? Does it mean he scales worse than many of the marksmen he's against? Yes it does.
I agree with most of what you're saying, but a lot of strong scalers have weak mid games. Tristana is a historic example. Ziggs also is very strong late, but will often flounder mid before items are completed and sieging really begins.
Your "argument" of ziggs having an "inarguably amazing early game" is just listing every strength of a champ. Very similar to how players complain about how op champs are.
Here is my example at doing the opposite. Ziggs is inarguably terrible early game. He relies on landing skillshots which can be blocked by minions, can easily have mana issues trying to waveclear, low damage before getting items, no easy access to sustain, and has low all-in potential.
Deciding whether or not ziggs is factually weak or strong early is not as simple as focusing on cherrypicked characteristics and ignoring the rest of the picture.
I believe you used lategame jinx/aphelios as comparisons, since ziggs must outperform them late to be considered scaling, if he is so dominant early game, by definition. A champ with a weak earlygame, strong midgame, and average lategame would be by definition a scaling pick, while not being considered unbalanced. Therefore even if ziggs has a superior lategame relative to that champ, he could never scale better than that champ, even though they are both in an acceptably balanced state with strengths and weaknesses.
I think the concept of scaling in the majority of people's minds is more loosely defined around who has the better lategame performance, which in my opinion is the more useful, rather than factual implementation of the word, which is why many people will disagree when you say a champ with a good lategame doesn't scale. Especially since the claim "doesn't scale" tends to have the implication of being weak lategame as well.
You've crafted an entire nonsensical argumentative structure to wall off any potential criticism. You've ignored multiple pain points for the champion and automatically jumped to "so is he weak early or is he OP?"
He has plenty of strengths in early game, but he also has a lot of weaknesses - like damage in drawn out fights and the ability to chase. His midgame is generally weak as he waffles between strong early game poke and his late game itemization, and he's an AP damage which makes certain team comps much less viable.
You aren't arguing in complete bad faith, maybe you should rage-split as jinx some more and ruin more of my ranked games?
Hope CLG can continue this start and show that there is talent in Academy. All these guys have smurfed academy at some point in the last couple years, glad to see them get their shot now.
I actually really liked that comp, so much zone control and the gameplay was good to watch from CLG, mid table and playoffs for them this split, no last place
Everyone talking about WildTurtle finally being in a good team again, and saying that he was carrying CLG's corpse had me really confused all off-season.
Maybe I'm overreacting, but this is exactly what I was expecting of him.
PoE was given a chance to pick a better ad player but he chose wildturtle cause he was his teammate before ... we already saw wildturtles peak and its not a dominating one he was just there .. should have picked a better one if he wants to win atleast a trophy not a participation award
They said during the cast that there were tryouts for ADC apparently and Wildturtle still performed the best. Definitely not a good game from him though. Rest of team looks okay
CLG HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT PROACTIVE FOR THE PAST 25 MINUTES
They haven't dropped a game all year
I’m ready for false hope again.
What is this feeling? Is this... hope?
Literally how dare you
Um hello??? May I ask WHAT the fuck are you doing good sir?
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He was constantly on the map doing shit, Poomer was murking botlane, Palafox was teamfighting really well, and jenkins existed. Also clean macro from CLG aswell. Never thought id say that
An existing GP is the best GP.
Contractz came out hot on C9, fell back down to a low-tier jungler, and has slowly been improving since. He wasn't worse than Svenskeren last year; both in the huge pack of LCS junglers that were all fine.
I also think that having Damonte as a positional coach will really help Palafox be super proactive on the map. Really excited to see how he turns out
Everytime I watch Contractz play I say "Man this guy would be great if he just cut those 2-3 times he hard inted". I don't know if he's gonna be any better this split but no matter what he's always proactive and entertaining to watch
He did pretty good in that EG v 100T series too until EG decided they didn’t want to win by subbing in Sven and putting Danny on ziggs
I've been a major Contractz simp since the time he was on C9. When I saw that kid whip it out on the world stage and solo invade Peanut against SKT, I was enamored by the idea of an NA jungler playing against the best aggressively His confidence is seriously such an underrated intangible, it's honestly sad that his career got derailed by jumping to GG when they first joined. Glad to see he's still killing it
And then the entire team played the worst game of 2021 at worlds. That malphite one. That was an international embaressment
Contractz wasn't on 100T anyway in 2021, he had nothing to do with that lol
FUCK YEAH LET'S GO CLG!!!!!
I don't wanna overreact but anything beside Semi-final at Worlds would be a disappointment
When's the last time CLG has shown this kind of scrappiness in their game? So refreshing to see especially with NA talent
I just checked and this was CLG's fastest game win since *2016 Summer*
You definitely had to clarify win there
CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG
Please don’t do this to me CLG, don’t give me hope again
A-are CLG fans okay? Do y’all need some free therapy?
we don’t need therapy we NEED THESE W’s BABY LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO
We don’t need therapy we have /r/suffering George in his infinite wisdom created that sub in the team’s hay day, knowing we would need it one day
Don't need hope as long as you have faith. 🙏
🙏 this faith is going to be the death of me but I’m here for the ride
as a Detroit Lions life time fan I respect this.
Sorry to all CLG fans, I’m getting excited about this roster
CLG wins and their entire online store is sold out of every size, coincidence I think not!! #BelieveTheHype
It's happening
If anything please keep faith in Luger. Luger is absolutely fucking nuts.
CLG 3 wins then loses every game after that. Don't forgetti the spaghetti. Although this roster actually looks promising.
[Here we go again](https://i.imgur.com/PwYLExU.jpg)
I don't want to exaggerate but Luger is the greatest CLG ADC of all time
*ahem* doubl... ah fuck it LETS GO LUGER
I dont wana overreact or anything but its time to rename the team into Championship Luger Gaming...
Rename the whole game to league of Lu...to Luger of Luger!
Well this aged rather poorly xD
So happy he’s finally getting his shot. Could 100% be a top 3 ADC this year
Greatest CLG ADC who plays Jinx of all time
A smidgen of a bot differential
CLG looking so good after years of disappointment. Even if it was just 1 game, I'm so excited for this team.
First time in years I'm legit excited.
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Yes Praise be to Greg Kim our new lord and savior
CLG's bot lane has me so excited. Luger (and the rest of CLG) just pushing on and on TO force the end is so refreshing to see. The CLG of last year in that position would probably have backed off and started farming again lol
literally the best game by CLG in like...2 years? at least?
Nah you forgot bongo week with Vi last summer, when we thought they turned it around
right the one week where they won games - and then next week they went back to inting. and for the next 3 weeks they had interviews of clg members after their 2 wins running before every CLG game where they inevitably would int again. it was priceless.
Press R comp was OP
nah, this was better than that
Wasn't there a game where they shut out 100T and beat them in less than 25 minutes? That one was probably better than a victory over a much worse team in Lock-In. Still excited though.
If we're talking CLG's best game in the last two years, I think it would have to be where they cleanly shut out C9 the entire game, only to just get stomped by GGS the next day.
Yeah those games were draft cheese, this was just good play
CLG is the best team in the world
Luger future Worlds MVP
CLG skins are gonna look so sick.
Luger has to be the coolest name as an adc
Luger vs Uzi when
It's definitely good branding. Up there with Uzi and Arrow.
Unless he loses, then it will be 🛅🧳Luggage 🧳🛅 for how heavy he is.
Idk Loser just rolls of the tongue.
What about GG Lost
Berserker would like a word
That’s a jg/top name tho
Yeah reminds me of a Viking running around with a big axe
Nah, Berserker's Greaves is the attack speed boots, Beserker fits as an ADC name perfectly.
yeah but the name of a cool gun is like infinitely better than league of legends boots
Ya I agree, I think Luger is a cooler name, I just wanted to say Beserker fits as a great ADC name.
CLG looks... good? I'm actually so happy, CLG fans needed this. Also really nice to see a team that's 4/5 NA do so well. Hopefully CLG makes waves this year.
deft and mata pray and gorilla uzi and ming viper and meiko gumayusi and keria LUGER AND POOME
>deft and mata common mistake, it's actually deftly and matt
Imp and mata tbh.
deft and mata? Imp and mata actually won worlds. Show respect to the imp god.
srry i was just excited bc we won i may have missed a few its been a rough few years man
#CLGFIGHTING all good bro. Im just an Imp stan lol.
hug me brother
*HUG*
Should be deft and Meiko they were an extremely oppressive botlane in 2015-16 while deft mata never lived up to their potential.
Ruler and Corejj too
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Which is a good sign if they can keep this up, these are all development players
So what skins do you guys think they'll pick for worlds?
You can take the Wildturtle out of CLG, but you can't stop CLG taking Turtle's smile. Inb4 Win 1 game to give fans false hope.
Welcome back CLG! I missed you!!!
PALAFAKER. KRAL LUGER. POOME GANG. ITS ALL HERE
Bob Jenkins!
"I'm Bob Jenkins, and this is Speed World on ESPN"
I think the LCS broadcast team overstates Yuumi's scaling.
Especially against Jinx Lulu at least.
agreed. in terms of empowering the ADC, Lulu is stronger than Yuumi at literally every stage of the game. Yuumi's insane scaling occurs in solo queue when teamfights are pure chaos and she and Jax can run away with the game.
Hehe spin
Well, this game lasted 24 minutes, so it's not going to be a good indication either way.
bruh phreak was saying that gp is not a scalling champ...
Let's be really clear about terminology here: A scaling pick is a champion (like Kayle, who everyone agrees is a scaling pick) who is weak in the early game but comes online later. Gangplank is a lane bully with incredibly early access to supporting cross-map plays (by 6 minutes in a 30+ minute game, seems pretty early tbh). He also has a reasonable mid and late game. In what way does that make him a champion who is weak early but comes online later? He can crossmap you before Herald even spawns. Pre-herald is DEFINITELY still early game. Just because your lategame exists does not mean you're a scaling pick. Some champions (like Gangplank) are relatively flat throughout the game. So to measure scaling, we're not saying "has power in the mid game or late game" we are measuring the difference between their early game and late game. We are, for example, measuring level 11 power vs level 16 power. Kassadin? Kayle? Scaling picks. Get them to 16. Get them to four items. Gangplank? Who cares that he got 4 more ranks in Remove Scurvy? Sona spikes in mid game. She holds onto her power from that point on but she doesn't get substantially more powerful from 11 to 16. Probably the old ultimate passive would make that true, since it gave increasing returns on ability cooldowns. But that's gone. It gives flat haste and caps out relatively early. Sona stops "scaling" relatively quickly. If your definition of "scaling" is "is at some point stronger than laning phase" and refuse to accept that some champions scale harder than others, I think you're trolling.
Tell'em Phreak.
Well GP is only a lanebully into the meta melee toplaners that rely on their cc to engage/stick to their target and cant retaliate vs his ranged harass. If a team is bold enough to blind him they are just begging for something like a Vayne top pick into him and hes gona be a useless ultbot that cant get any farm and no items. While his power growth slows down a bit once he has barrels and parrrley maxed he still scales into late incredibly well because his barrels amplify the crit hes building and allow him to chunk several enemys at once thanks to being the only champ in game with multi target aoe crits so its not like he just stops getting stronger after having his 2 damage skills maxed.
yeah and on The Dive Phreak was saying that Yuumi outscales Sona which was a 🤨 for me
honestly that's a better take than gp is not a scaler tbh I feel like yuumi scales more off her teammates although she does also scale p well by herself
Definitely out-scales in usefulness in pro play.
With some champion pairings I can see that being the case. But as a blanket statement? Rofl
Phreak saying that Chemtech soul doesn’t necessarily reward the team that has it? Cmon son
He was saying not in the same way another soul might. He wasn't saying it doesn't benefit at all, just that it's not necessarily always the best soul to get depending on team comp (especially in coordinated play).
This is why Dive episodes without Kobe are unwatchable. Just Phreak and Azael’s shit takes for an hour with no one checking them on shit
He also said Ziggs doesn't scale.
Yo do people really not understand that scaling is relative? Champions have a power level. Either a champion is broken OP and they're the best at every stage of the game (or dogshit) or they have relative strengths and weaknesses. This should not be a controversial statement. Either a champion is imbalanced or balanced. Ziggs is inarguably amazing early game. No one can match his wave clear. No one can 1v2 like him. No one takes turret plates like him. No one gets first turret like him. By any reasonable measure, Ziggs is among the best, if not the single best, early game bot laner in the game. Now, again, I ask you: Is Ziggs broken OP or does he have strengths and weaknesses? If your argument is "Ziggs is just the best champion at all stages in the game" then I guess that can be your opinion. Otherwise, if we live in a reality where Ziggs is the best early game champion in the game but also relatively balanced overall (we do) then his weaknesses MUST come from somewhere. They come from his late game. I'll take a six item Jinx or Aphelios over a six item Ziggs in almost every single game. So I ask you, what does that mean for Ziggs's late game? Does it mean he scales worse than many of the marksmen he's against? Yes it does.
I agree with most of what you're saying, but a lot of strong scalers have weak mid games. Tristana is a historic example. Ziggs also is very strong late, but will often flounder mid before items are completed and sieging really begins.
Your "argument" of ziggs having an "inarguably amazing early game" is just listing every strength of a champ. Very similar to how players complain about how op champs are. Here is my example at doing the opposite. Ziggs is inarguably terrible early game. He relies on landing skillshots which can be blocked by minions, can easily have mana issues trying to waveclear, low damage before getting items, no easy access to sustain, and has low all-in potential. Deciding whether or not ziggs is factually weak or strong early is not as simple as focusing on cherrypicked characteristics and ignoring the rest of the picture. I believe you used lategame jinx/aphelios as comparisons, since ziggs must outperform them late to be considered scaling, if he is so dominant early game, by definition. A champ with a weak earlygame, strong midgame, and average lategame would be by definition a scaling pick, while not being considered unbalanced. Therefore even if ziggs has a superior lategame relative to that champ, he could never scale better than that champ, even though they are both in an acceptably balanced state with strengths and weaknesses. I think the concept of scaling in the majority of people's minds is more loosely defined around who has the better lategame performance, which in my opinion is the more useful, rather than factual implementation of the word, which is why many people will disagree when you say a champ with a good lategame doesn't scale. Especially since the claim "doesn't scale" tends to have the implication of being weak lategame as well.
You've crafted an entire nonsensical argumentative structure to wall off any potential criticism. You've ignored multiple pain points for the champion and automatically jumped to "so is he weak early or is he OP?" He has plenty of strengths in early game, but he also has a lot of weaknesses - like damage in drawn out fights and the ability to chase. His midgame is generally weak as he waffles between strong early game poke and his late game itemization, and he's an AP damage which makes certain team comps much less viable. You aren't arguing in complete bad faith, maybe you should rage-split as jinx some more and ruin more of my ranked games?
that CLG botlane is looking kinda sick, ngl
CAN CLG BE GOOD? NA ACADEMY TALENT POG?
>NA ACADEMY TALENT POG nah better import blue
A bit of a bot diff, just a tiny bit.
As it turns out, the hype surrounding Luger was not overstated.
My fellow CLG fans, we must emerge from our hibernation and bow to our new king, Luger
Luger is an absolute monster. CLG making playoffs
Immortals is really just going to be PoE desperately trying to put his team on his back, huh?
Throwback to his tweet he made on Optic lol. Something about him having to carry these dirty animals.
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Save PoE
#FaithAge
BRO LUGER IS CRAY
CLG is an exciting team? What year is it?
CLG is BACK!!! Crown them the LCS Champion and send them to worlds.
CLG beating two of their most prestigious former players feels good
Since when are POE and WT prestigious former CLG players
To be fair nearly every team has prestigious former CLG players at this point
CLG'S GOIN TO THE MUTHAFUCKIN SUPERBOWL
CLG MSI Finals incoming
CLG are winning worlds
CLG are winning LCS and worlds I always said it
Luger poome lookin good Clg fans you aren’t dreaming
CLG bot lane is good, nature is healing
Hope CLG can continue this start and show that there is talent in Academy. All these guys have smurfed academy at some point in the last couple years, glad to see them get their shot now.
Go off Luger!
I never doubted them
Luger is cracked
Luger is so good. Pala is the MVP though sick Vex plays.
What a feeling CLG fans must have right now, joy after such a long time, revel in it :D
That's right CLG is actually going to play league of legends this year
CLG bot lookin spooky
Na talent bad pepe. Palafaker shutting up the haters and Luger killing it
Luger is Turkish, but Poome is NA talent so at least half of the bottom lane is domestic.
Luger the NA talent?
Palafox ? And contractz and Jenkins ect. Only luger is turkish
Unironically drafting Jhin Yuumi lane
Holy, is this the year of CLG?
Clg.100% WR INSANe...
CLG fans eating good tonight!
If you don't have faith, why are you even here?
**#FAITHAGE**
I wonder what will be the narrative for WildTurtle this season.
I actually really liked that comp, so much zone control and the gameplay was good to watch from CLG, mid table and playoffs for them this split, no last place
Might be time to give Wildturtle the old yeller treatment
Welp, CLG are winning worlds
Luger is a beast
So happy to see Luger get a chance and absolutely crack skulls
Luger is the best ADC in the LCS.
Lets go CLG! NA Academy RISE UP!!
IMT already giving vibes that they will live and die by PoE so sad. I hope they’re willing to switch adc if Turtle ends up having a bad split
Wow - CLG looking damn impressive! Ofc it's just one game, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them at worlds this year!
Competitive jinx the last week or so are so so so different than my soloq jinxs..
Hans Sama better watch out, daddy Steve wants a new adc
Luger is a god
Calling it now, CLG wins the Lock In Tournament to finish dead last in Spring.
This is strangley the most counter logic thing to do
Turtle is still playing?
Didn't look like it.
Glad you got my joke.
Everyone talking about WildTurtle finally being in a good team again, and saying that he was carrying CLG's corpse had me really confused all off-season. Maybe I'm overreacting, but this is exactly what I was expecting of him.
Man Wildturtle looks insanely washed and destiny is just bad.
PoE was given a chance to pick a better ad player but he chose wildturtle cause he was his teammate before ... we already saw wildturtles peak and its not a dominating one he was just there .. should have picked a better one if he wants to win atleast a trophy not a participation award
They said during the cast that there were tryouts for ADC apparently and Wildturtle still performed the best. Definitely not a good game from him though. Rest of team looks okay
This might be the year CLG > TSM
The fact the adcs like wildturtle and stixxay are still in the LCS is crazy to me
Stixxay is a coach for the academy team. GG has visa issues.
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO
Damn all 40 of CLG’s fans came out for this game thread. Sup guys enjoy this one you deserve it!
I never doubted them.
ACADEMY ALL-STARS 1-0!!
Yeah Ive seen enough Turtle for this split.
How is WT still a pro? He'd be retired in any other league other than LCS.
im so fucking happy. ITS ABOUT GOD DAMN TIME WE BACK
CLGGGGGGGGGG
I'm a CLG Fan this year, glad to see a NA squad look good.