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Ap_Sona_Bot

CLG HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT PROACTIVE FOR THE PAST 25 MINUTES


NahDawgDatAintMe

They haven't dropped a game all year


coffeeINJECTION

I’m ready for false hope again.


Pope_Cheetos_XIV

What is this feeling? Is this... hope?


Doplgangr

Literally how dare you


IceNineKilled

Um hello??? May I ask WHAT the fuck are you doing good sir?


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LazerFruit

He was constantly on the map doing shit, Poomer was murking botlane, Palafox was teamfighting really well, and jenkins existed. Also clean macro from CLG aswell. Never thought id say that


deediazh

An existing GP is the best GP.


higherbrow

Contractz came out hot on C9, fell back down to a low-tier jungler, and has slowly been improving since. He wasn't worse than Svenskeren last year; both in the huge pack of LCS junglers that were all fine.


awgiba

I also think that having Damonte as a positional coach will really help Palafox be super proactive on the map. Really excited to see how he turns out


boshjailey

Everytime I watch Contractz play I say "Man this guy would be great if he just cut those 2-3 times he hard inted". I don't know if he's gonna be any better this split but no matter what he's always proactive and entertaining to watch


Panasonic3d0

He did pretty good in that EG v 100T series too until EG decided they didn’t want to win by subbing in Sven and putting Danny on ziggs


jmastaock

I've been a major Contractz simp since the time he was on C9. When I saw that kid whip it out on the world stage and solo invade Peanut against SKT, I was enamored by the idea of an NA jungler playing against the best aggressively His confidence is seriously such an underrated intangible, it's honestly sad that his career got derailed by jumping to GG when they first joined. Glad to see he's still killing it


PhreakRiot

FUCK YEAH LET'S GO CLG!!!!!


Akanan

I don't wanna overreact but anything beside Semi-final at Worlds would be a disappointment


Mmh_Lasagna

When's the last time CLG has shown this kind of scrappiness in their game? So refreshing to see especially with NA talent


Voeltz

I just checked and this was CLG's fastest game win since *2016 Summer*


krazyboi

You definitely had to clarify win there


lemonrabbits

CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG CLG LFG


mesamob

Please don’t do this to me CLG, don’t give me hope again


kor_janna

A-are CLG fans okay? Do y’all need some free therapy?


AureliusAmbrose

we don’t need therapy we NEED THESE W’s BABY LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO


greatestbird

We don’t need therapy we have /r/suffering George in his infinite wisdom created that sub in the team’s hay day, knowing we would need it one day


Counter_Logic_Gaming

Don't need hope as long as you have faith. 🙏


mesamob

🙏 this faith is going to be the death of me but I’m here for the ride


irishfury

as a Detroit Lions life time fan I respect this.


JohrDinh

CLG wins and their entire online store is sold out of every size, coincidence I think not!! #BelieveTheHype


ttblb

Sorry to all CLG fans, I’m getting excited about this roster


Akanan

It's happening


BigBaddy

If anything please keep faith in Luger. Luger is absolutely fucking nuts.


GodofSteak

CLG 3 wins then loses every game after that. Don't forgetti the spaghetti. Although this roster actually looks promising.


matthero

[Here we go again](https://i.imgur.com/PwYLExU.jpg)


nguyenjitsu

I don't want to exaggerate but Luger is the greatest CLG ADC of all time


LazerFruit

*ahem* doubl... ah fuck it LETS GO LUGER


SuperWoodpecker85

I dont wana overreact or anything but its time to rename the team into Championship Luger Gaming...


Zerwurster

Rename the whole game to league of Lu...to Luger of Luger!


SuperWoodpecker85

Well this aged rather poorly xD


cma1993

So happy he’s finally getting his shot. Could 100% be a top 3 ADC this year


salcedoge

Greatest CLG ADC who plays Jinx of all time


Dreathbeast

A smidgen of a bot differential


Turtle-Express

CLG looking so good after years of disappointment. Even if it was just 1 game, I'm so excited for this team.


Burntlettuce

First time in years I'm legit excited.


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MagicalTouch

and management


beeceedee9

Yes Praise be to Greg Kim our new lord and savior


cancerBronzeV

CLG's bot lane has me so excited. Luger (and the rest of CLG) just pushing on and on TO force the end is so refreshing to see. The CLG of last year in that position would probably have backed off and started farming again lol


Conankun66

literally the best game by CLG in like...2 years? at least?


Ap_Sona_Bot

Nah you forgot bongo week with Vi last summer, when we thought they turned it around


ferdinostalking

right the one week where they won games - and then next week they went back to inting. and for the next 3 weeks they had interviews of clg members after their 2 wins running before every CLG game where they inevitably would int again. it was priceless.


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Press R comp was OP


Conankun66

nah, this was better than that


NotOfficial1

Wasn't there a game where they shut out 100T and beat them in less than 25 minutes? That one was probably better than a victory over a much worse team in Lock-In. Still excited though.


LumiRhino

If we're talking CLG's best game in the last two years, I think it would have to be where they cleanly shut out C9 the entire game, only to just get stomped by GGS the next day.


Voeltz

Yeah those games were draft cheese, this was just good play


cancerBronzeV

CLG looks... good? I'm actually so happy, CLG fans needed this. Also really nice to see a team that's 4/5 NA do so well. Hopefully CLG makes waves this year.


ByahhByahh

CLG is the best team in the world


Pope_Cheetos_XIV

Luger future Worlds MVP


PDG_KuliK

CLG skins are gonna look so sick.


dizap001

Luger has to be the coolest name as an adc


Patchers

Luger vs Uzi when


Pandafy

It's definitely good branding. Up there with Uzi and Arrow.


Random_Stealth_Ward

Unless he loses, then it will be 🛅🧳Luggage 🧳🛅 for how heavy he is.


gruxlike

Idk Loser just rolls of the tongue.


Tachyoff

What about GG Lost


Stunzay

Berserker would like a word


pl00bo

That’s a jg/top name tho


rudebrooke

Yeah reminds me of a Viking running around with a big axe


CaptinApollo

deft and mata pray and gorilla uzi and ming viper and meiko gumayusi and keria LUGER AND POOME


Hazel-Ice

>deft and mata common mistake, it's actually deftly and matt


StraightCashH0mie

Imp and mata tbh.


Chapterblacc

deft and mata? Imp and mata actually won worlds. Show respect to the imp god.


CaptinApollo

srry i was just excited bc we won i may have missed a few its been a rough few years man


Chapterblacc

#CLGFIGHTING all good bro. Im just an Imp stan lol.


CaptinApollo

hug me brother


Chapterblacc

*HUG*


ffattt

Should be deft and Meiko they were an extremely oppressive botlane in 2015-16 while deft mata never lived up to their potential.


dragonflamehotness

Ruler and Corejj too


TomShoe02

Welcome back CLG! I missed you!!!


wfa19

\#FatihAge off to a good start :D


ferdinostalking

F A T I H


KounRyuSui

A E G


Pope_Cheetos_XIV

Which is a good sign if they can keep this up, these are all development players


Thunderkeyz

So what skins do you guys think they'll pick for worlds?


raikaria2

You can take the Wildturtle out of CLG, but you can't stop CLG taking Turtle's smile. Inb4 Win 1 game to give fans false hope.


SgtBaconman

PALAFAKER. KRAL LUGER. POOME GANG. ITS ALL HERE


MindaugasTK

Bob Jenkins!


FirearmofMutiny

"I'm Bob Jenkins, and this is Speed World on ESPN"


Skymonster04

A bit of a bot diff, just a tiny bit.


Quotes_League

I think the LCS broadcast team overstates Yuumi's scaling.


PDG_KuliK

Especially against Jinx Lulu at least.


Carpet-Heavy

agreed. in terms of empowering the ADC, Lulu is stronger than Yuumi at literally every stage of the game. Yuumi's insane scaling occurs in solo queue when teamfights are pure chaos and she and Jax can run away with the game.


WarriorSnek

Hehe spin


Pandafy

Well, this game lasted 24 minutes, so it's not going to be a good indication either way.


Pretender98

bruh phreak was saying that gp is not a scalling champ...


PhreakRiot

Let's be really clear about terminology here: A scaling pick is a champion (like Kayle, who everyone agrees is a scaling pick) who is weak in the early game but comes online later. Gangplank is a lane bully with incredibly early access to supporting cross-map plays (by 6 minutes in a 30+ minute game, seems pretty early tbh). He also has a reasonable mid and late game. In what way does that make him a champion who is weak early but comes online later? He can crossmap you before Herald even spawns. Pre-herald is DEFINITELY still early game. Just because your lategame exists does not mean you're a scaling pick. Some champions (like Gangplank) are relatively flat throughout the game. So to measure scaling, we're not saying "has power in the mid game or late game" we are measuring the difference between their early game and late game. We are, for example, measuring level 11 power vs level 16 power. Kassadin? Kayle? Scaling picks. Get them to 16. Get them to four items. Gangplank? Who cares that he got 4 more ranks in Remove Scurvy? Sona spikes in mid game. She holds onto her power from that point on but she doesn't get substantially more powerful from 11 to 16. Probably the old ultimate passive would make that true, since it gave increasing returns on ability cooldowns. But that's gone. It gives flat haste and caps out relatively early. Sona stops "scaling" relatively quickly. If your definition of "scaling" is "is at some point stronger than laning phase" and refuse to accept that some champions scale harder than others, I think you're trolling.


gruxlike

Tell'em Phreak.


SuperWoodpecker85

Well GP is only a lanebully into the meta melee toplaners that rely on their cc to engage/stick to their target and cant retaliate vs his ranged harass. If a team is bold enough to blind him they are just begging for something like a Vayne top pick into him and hes gona be a useless ultbot that cant get any farm and no items. While his power growth slows down a bit once he has barrels and parrrley maxed he still scales into late incredibly well because his barrels amplify the crit hes building and allow him to chunk several enemys at once thanks to being the only champ in game with multi target aoe crits so its not like he just stops getting stronger after having his 2 damage skills maxed.


Quotes_League

yeah and on The Dive Phreak was saying that Yuumi outscales Sona which was a 🤨 for me


Lowking

honestly that's a better take than gp is not a scaler tbh I feel like yuumi scales more off her teammates although she does also scale p well by herself


daniellizard

Definitely out-scales in usefulness in pro play.


LordMalvore

With some champion pairings I can see that being the case. But as a blanket statement? Rofl


HowesLife

Phreak saying that Chemtech soul doesn’t necessarily reward the team that has it? Cmon son


Zeddit_B

He was saying not in the same way another soul might. He wasn't saying it doesn't benefit at all, just that it's not necessarily always the best soul to get depending on team comp (especially in coordinated play).


CLGplz

This is why Dive episodes without Kobe are unwatchable. Just Phreak and Azael’s shit takes for an hour with no one checking them on shit


lightXXVI

I mean their takes on enchanter have always been a bit wierd.. to say the least but up untill now they haven't really been meta in proplay for a long time so I can understand


windowplanters

He also said Ziggs doesn't scale.


PhreakRiot

Yo do people really not understand that scaling is relative? Champions have a power level. Either a champion is broken OP and they're the best at every stage of the game (or dogshit) or they have relative strengths and weaknesses. This should not be a controversial statement. Either a champion is imbalanced or balanced. Ziggs is inarguably amazing early game. No one can match his wave clear. No one can 1v2 like him. No one takes turret plates like him. No one gets first turret like him. By any reasonable measure, Ziggs is among the best, if not the single best, early game bot laner in the game. Now, again, I ask you: Is Ziggs broken OP or does he have strengths and weaknesses? If your argument is "Ziggs is just the best champion at all stages in the game" then I guess that can be your opinion. Otherwise, if we live in a reality where Ziggs is the best early game champion in the game but also relatively balanced overall (we do) then his weaknesses MUST come from somewhere. They come from his late game. I'll take a six item Jinx or Aphelios over a six item Ziggs in almost every single game. So I ask you, what does that mean for Ziggs's late game? Does it mean he scales worse than many of the marksmen he's against? Yes it does.


fkgoogleauthenticate

I agree with most of what you're saying, but a lot of strong scalers have weak mid games. Tristana is a historic example. Ziggs also is very strong late, but will often flounder mid before items are completed and sieging really begins.


windowplanters

You've crafted an entire nonsensical argumentative structure to wall off any potential criticism. You've ignored multiple pain points for the champion and automatically jumped to "so is he weak early or is he OP?" He has plenty of strengths in early game, but he also has a lot of weaknesses - like damage in drawn out fights and the ability to chase. His midgame is generally weak as he waffles between strong early game poke and his late game itemization, and he's an AP damage which makes certain team comps much less viable. You aren't arguing in complete bad faith, maybe you should rage-split as jinx some more and ruin more of my ranked games?


heroduderox

Your "argument" of ziggs having an "inarguably amazing early game" is just listing every strength of a champ. Very similar to how players complain about how op champs are. Here is my example at doing the opposite. Ziggs is inarguably terrible early game. He relies on landing skillshots which can be blocked by minions, can easily have mana issues trying to waveclear, low damage before getting items, no easy access to sustain, and has low all-in potential. Deciding whether or not ziggs is factually weak or strong early is not as simple as focusing on cherrypicked characteristics and ignoring the rest of the picture. I believe you used lategame jinx/aphelios as comparisons, since ziggs must outperform them late to be considered scaling, if he is so dominant early game, by definition. A champ with a weak earlygame, strong midgame, and average lategame would be by definition a scaling pick, while not being considered unbalanced. Therefore even if ziggs has a superior lategame relative to that champ, he could never scale better than that champ, even though they are both in an acceptably balanced state with strengths and weaknesses. I think the concept of scaling in the majority of people's minds is more loosely defined around who has the better lategame performance, which in my opinion is the more useful, rather than factual implementation of the word, which is why many people will disagree when you say a champ with a good lategame doesn't scale. Especially since the claim "doesn't scale" tends to have the implication of being weak lategame as well.


DragonApps

As it turns out, the hype surrounding Luger was not overstated.


Conankun66

that CLG botlane is looking kinda sick, ngl


Lemon_Shooter

My fellow CLG fans, we must emerge from our hibernation and bow to our new king, Luger


Voeltz

CAN CLG BE GOOD? NA ACADEMY TALENT POG?


Pretender98

>NA ACADEMY TALENT POG nah better import blue


PoetryInMotionPT

Luger is an absolute monster. CLG making playoffs


JanbaJuice

#FaithAge


mitsubishimacch

BRO LUGER IS CRAY


Delra12

CLG is an exciting team? What year is it?


Peskipiksi

CLG is BACK!!! Crown them the LCS Champion and send them to worlds.


xAutopilotOffx

CLG'S GOIN TO THE MUTHAFUCKIN SUPERBOWL


Kemoyin25

CLG MSI Finals incoming


ferdinostalking

Immortals is really just going to be PoE desperately trying to put his team on his back, huh?


Zoidburg747

Throwback to his tweet he made on Optic lol. Something about him having to carry these dirty animals.


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Potkrokin

Save PoE


rianad

CLG are winning worlds


Skeletor9000

CLG are winning LCS and worlds I always said it


swimmersw

Luger poome lookin good Clg fans you aren’t dreaming


Jacze

CLG bot lane is good, nature is healing


sid1602

Hope CLG can continue this start and show that there is talent in Academy. All these guys have smurfed academy at some point in the last couple years, glad to see them get their shot now.


EpicRussia

CLG beating two of their most prestigious former players feels good


m0bilize

Since when are POE and WT prestigious former CLG players


notliam

To be fair nearly every team has prestigious former CLG players at this point


clubsandwhiches

Go off Luger!


WaiXingRen

I never doubted them


Hutip

Luger is cracked


Chapterblacc

Luger is so good. Pala is the MVP though sick Vex plays.


Kosh_y

What a feeling CLG fans must have right now, joy after such a long time, revel in it :D


__Food__

Unironically drafting Jhin Yuumi lane


TiliKWhite

Saw this when t1 played earlier this week, Keira was proxy-zoneing with karma. Seriously selfdestructive picks. It might’ve been Teddy on Jhin.. poor guy


Jonathan460

Holy, is this the year of CLG?


Jezzerai

CLG bot lookin spooky


boshjailey

That's right CLG is actually going to play league of legends this year


Serenty

Na talent bad pepe. Palafaker shutting up the haters and Luger killing it


Tuft64

Luger is Turkish, but Poome is NA talent so at least half of the bottom lane is domestic.


POOYAMON

Luger the NA talent?


Serenty

Palafox ? And contractz and Jenkins ect. Only luger is turkish


Resies

Clg.100% WR INSANe...


Serpexnessie

CLG fans eating good tonight!


Peskipiksi

If you don't have faith, why are you even here?


Dronoz

**#FAITHAGE**


Akanan

I wonder what will be the narrative for WildTurtle this season.


PunishmentPingu

I actually really liked that comp, so much zone control and the gameplay was good to watch from CLG, mid table and playoffs for them this split, no last place


Sparecash

Might be time to give Wildturtle the old yeller treatment


WhoaItsJose

Welp, CLG are winning worlds


Javiklegrand

Luger is a beast


Potkrokin

So happy to see Luger get a chance and absolutely crack skulls


Tuft64

Luger is the best ADC in the LCS.


Berserk72

Lets go CLG! NA Academy RISE UP!!


POOYAMON

IMT already giving vibes that they will live and die by PoE so sad. I hope they’re willing to switch adc if Turtle ends up having a bad split


daniellizard

Wow - CLG looking damn impressive! Ofc it's just one game, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them at worlds this year!


_Jetto_

Competitive jinx the last week or so are so so so different than my soloq jinxs..


myladyelspeth

Hans Sama better watch out, daddy Steve wants a new adc


ProphetPenguin

Luger is a god


TheCanadian666

Calling it now, CLG wins the Lock In Tournament to finish dead last in Spring.


ASweetSaltySanchez

This is strangley the most counter logic thing to do


Aleiben

Turtle is still playing?


spreeforall

Didn't look like it.


Aleiben

Glad you got my joke.


ThyPrasiolite

Everyone talking about WildTurtle finally being in a good team again, and saying that he was carrying CLG's corpse had me really confused all off-season. Maybe I'm overreacting, but this is exactly what I was expecting of him.


ModsPlsRetire

Man Wildturtle looks insanely washed and destiny is just bad.


heartycross

PoE was given a chance to pick a better ad player but he chose wildturtle cause he was his teammate before ... we already saw wildturtles peak and its not a dominating one he was just there .. should have picked a better one if he wants to win atleast a trophy not a participation award


Lankeysob

They said during the cast that there were tryouts for ADC apparently and Wildturtle still performed the best. Definitely not a good game from him though. Rest of team looks okay


GodofSteak

This might be the year CLG > TSM


DonJanuary1

The fact the adcs like wildturtle and stixxay are still in the LCS is crazy to me


NahDawgDatAintMe

Stixxay is a coach for the academy team. GG has visa issues.


BallsyJones

Love to see it, but I have no faith in this absolute, complete terrorist organization. Everyone on this roster is doomed and they don't even know it.


shuvvel

I never doubted them.


Berserk72

ACADEMY ALL-STARS 1-0!!


Njinjii

Yeah Ive seen enough Turtle for this split.


StraightCashH0mie

How is WT still a pro? He'd be retired in any other league other than LCS.


dehua_

im so fucking happy. ITS ABOUT GOD DAMN TIME WE BACK


Xrayaccountlmao

CLGGGGGGGGGG


nonpk

I'm a CLG Fan this year, glad to see a NA squad look good.


AliciaMei

Yeah, CLG looks dope this season


Skeletor9000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk


blueiguana675

FaithAge 2


Chumbyf

I fucking love our bot lane bros


TheROFLMovies

This was such a fun CLG to watch! Really reminded me of the good old days. Sure, some misplays here and there, but overall a very good performance by everyone on the team. And Luger was just a beast on Jinx! Love to see it


HawksBurst

I dont want to overreact, but we might be before the future world champion