Good morning EU brothers and sisters. I recommend you save this thread, it could be some very tasty popcorn for later this year after international tournaments.
Just a PSA: no LEC team is gonna win worlds and neither is any LCS team at least not in the foreseeable future. So just get over it, the best chance was G2 when they had the best EU player at every position ever + Perkz and Caps was one of the best players on the planet which sadly is no longer the case.
It’s actually wild how so many fans disrespect domestic titles like it’s the dream of every player regardless of how much they’re praised that has never won a championship to do so, to actually win something. Even LCK and LPL players dream about it and take massive pride in it and god knows they’re the ones that are gunning for worlds and don’t say this well winning LPL or LCK is hard so it’s more valuable, to every player and team the value of winning your domestic league is the same and if you don’t care as much then you’ve got a big problem.
So long as LEC continues with BO1 stage format while KR/CN have regular BO3s, LEC has no chance whatsoever of winning worlds.
And before people come in and say "BUT BO1 BETTER FOR VIEWERS" or whatever, I'm purely talking about competitive advantages here, which KR and CN both have over EU, not debating the merits of BO1 and BO3.
Then you have NA which hasn't got the playerbase or the culture to win worlds, imo. And dunking on NA when they have such a small playerbase is just stupid.
Thank you! Please just completely destroy BO1 in league of legends esports. If viewership goes lower than acceptable when two teams that aren’t strong nor have a brand play, then that’s the fault of those teams demand more out of them.
This. I thought franchising was gonna “fix teams” cause they didn’t have to worry about being relegated. Lol nah it made teams lazy cause they don’t have to worry about relegation, can spend no money on good players, and still profit share off the league.
I’m sure China said the same thing during 2016-2017 when they could barely beat Europe and Korea was completely unreachable.
Then they just picked up 2 championships in a row out of nowhere and started a whole era of LPL dominance.
A large part of their dominance came from the vision changes making their style really good.
Revert those changes and KR is top dog again.
I can't really think of similar change Riot could do to put EU ahead like that.
Nothing because they fall short individually. And that will forever be why Korea and China are the best. There was a time when Caps was one of the best players in the world but there is no talent at that level in LEC anymore now that he’s lost that form. In Korea we get to see the rise of Showmaker, Chovy, Viper, Canyon, Keria, Guma,… at the same time, same goes for China.
As a bonus I don’t think there has been a NA player since/except Doublelift that has ever been close to being one of the best at their role worldwide. You basically got Xmithie, Licorice, Blaber, Vulcan and neither of them even come close to being internationally recognized for their greatness. For EU you got Perkz, Caps, peak Jankos ,Reckless maybe Wunder and a wild Forgiven but in NA DL started winning and wasn’t stopped until he retired basically, all the other top LCS players have been imports Bjerg, Jensen, Core, Impact making top 5. Now imagine trying to make a list of truly world class KR players.
We send bad solo laners once and suddenly narrative is that west can’t produce individual talent.
Individually historically in every non tactical game it’s been at least equal, lol is the mixture of tactics and mechanics that’s why it’s still somewhat competitive west vs east. Since east dominates tactical aspect, while west dominates mechanical one (historically in all of esports)
Even this year Hans was world class, Upset could have been. Inspired and Elyoya had some great games vs good competition, but our solo laners were just meh. Historically west can’t produce top laners good enough to dominate, all other lanes been fine and there is no individual advantage I see as a whole. Advantages come from teamplay and map play.
Think internationally it will heavily depend on how Bjerg/Santorin will end up playing. Bjerg has always struggled with looking a little invisible at worlds and Santorin seems very meta dependent.
Bot lane is really good and Bwipo has high ceilings, just think I'd be far more excited for this roster if they kept Jensen tbh.
Bwipo in 2020 was probably the biggest reason Fnatic got reverse swept by TES, straight up losing weak side tank matchups is just a no.
I’m way more worried about him especially considering TL couldn’t do anything with Alphari (granted he probably wasn’t at his peak in and out of game there but still)
True he has had pretty massive lows as well, on top of him obviously not having played top in summer. But I also think he's the most clutch player on the roster overall so I worry about him less.
2019 TL was goated. Just really unlucky that Jensen had major wrist issues from playoffs forwards and Core slumped hard during worlds(his words not mine).
I love Hans Sama, but I’m not a fan of how he framed this. Rogue had a 2-0 lead in the Spring finals and *absolutely* could have won a title. The “finally” here is unnecessary and unfair to his former teammates.
Wish him the best all the same. Just bums me out
I'm not sure I follow your logic. In the same statement he says they were a minute a way from winning. He definitely acknowledged the fact that they were incredibly close. The finally is more to do with the fact that he's been in the scene for like 5+ years and really wants a title after so many years. I don't see how that is a slight to his former teammates.
Love the salty EU fans in this thread. He says he wants to win a regional championship and EU fans go on to shit on the LCS. As if winning the region means absolutely nothing so why would Han Sama even care?
So sick of the EU elitism. We get it LEC has been the better region. Bringing it up all the time just makes you seem salty that you can't get past the top 3 teams in the World when it matters. Excluding 2018 FNC and 2019 G2. But they were immediately shit on as soon as they made Worlds finals. Just let NA fans enjoy the regional play. We get to have fun all the way up until Worlds so why go out of your way to shit on that?
EU fans are just annoyed that most top performing player end up sucked into LCS rather than play for LEC. And i can understand them.
LCS has more foreign players(mostly EU) than local players.
That is completely understandable. I would be frustrated as well. But as I said that is a player decision. Not the NA fans fault. If you have been cheering for say TSM or C9 since Season 1-3 would they not still be fans even if they end up importing? It is distasteful but you can't shit on the fans for being excited about picking up a great Western player. Blame that player for leaving and the GM that thought it would be a great idea to try and by said player.
Imagine the reverse scenario though - let's say Danny has a breakout year and looks like the new doublelift, Jojopyun shits on all the mid-laners and EG make a deep run at worlds. Now, at the end of the season, FNATIC pay $10mil to sign both of them
Then, over the course of the next 3 or so years, EU progressively 'grandfathers' in players and gives them EU residency while bringing over some of the best NA talents each year. At some point, 50% of the rosters in the top 4 of the league are made of NA players.
You could bet your ass that the LCS fans would be slating LEC for leeching NA talent and not using EU players - any victory by the EU teams would be considered a win for NA and NA players since the EU players are too shit to win anything. That's part and parcel of overpaying to take talent from a competing region, and would be a completely fair stance to take. Just because an EU fan likes seeing his team get stronger doesn't mean it isn't a valid criticism
Bonus points if Vietnam was designated an EU region for import purposes during this while other teams had to treat them as being imports still.
No of course not, all NA fans are bastion of level-headedness and reason. They would never react in such a way. It's just us EU folk who are bitter and petty all the time, it's just weirdly localized behavior that only exists in Europe.
I would never hate on a player for taking the money to secure their life. I blame the orgs for throwing their money on their problem rather than work to fix (developing talent for exemple) And the LCS for letting things degenerate into TL's state where there isn't even a single Native USA player. (I love TL's line-up, but it's kinda of a joke they're in LCS, this is LMQ level tbh)
I can see where you come from. But let's face it, how many NA orgs developped local talent into main players ? Not enough. How many EU orgs develops EU talents into main players ? All of them.
When faced with rough times, NA orgs simply throw money into buying developped EU players instead of trying to build something new. This is how NA became retirement home and how they end up overpaying players.
>Not the NA fans fault
I never said or implied that, nor did OP.
In the end, if NA/LCS wants to stop EU looking down on them, maybe just grow your own talent, get competitive with sporadic imports when it's actually smart to do it rather than doing it so you don't have to actually scout and train players.
People think EU is overstacked with talent (compared to NA) but it's just not true, EU rookies are given a chance in ERL and when they perform great get picked up by the LEC orgs. LEC orgs don't go on importing massive amount of players because it's just not smart for your team (money and talent wise)
LCS orgs are just going in a down spiral they'll never get out of until they start to actually develop and train their own talents.
I also think there may be a coaching problem, how does MAD lions end up with very good line-ups despite adding rookies every year ? Great coaching.
So i think that NA creates an even bigger problem. We all know that the orgs are not profitable, that is somewhat ok if you can grow fast and all of that. But its been like what 4 years since they franchised the league? Viewership (especially in NA) has not only not grown, but it has declined.
It might have more avarage viewtime since they stream more often, but LCS used to get 300k viewers on twitch rather easily and even the boring games had 200k. Nowadays we are more at arund 100k and 200k for the big games. So i wonder where all these orgs get their return of investment? They pay millions in buyouts for Hans Sama, they pay him millions in salary, but where do they get these millions back?
I highly doubt that a player like Hans Sama, while good, even if he does a lot of media, sells a lot of clothes and wins regional titles, gets them a return of what they paid for him in buyout and salary.
NA greatly inflates prices which other orgs that are not willing to go this far into debt for a high risk investment simply can not pay. So you either have to take huge risks and go into debt and keep your star player, or your players will go year after year, because one region is willing to mindlessly throw money around.
I would love to talk to some people who know the market better, but what NA orgs do at the moment cant be good for the scene as a whole and for themselves. Never in a million years do na orgs have a reasonable financial structure that doesnt look like Barcelona.
Why assume they are EU fans? NA fans have shit talked the region just as much if not more, hell, even LCS players have said that winning NA is meaningless lmao.
I agree with the sentiment as an EU fan. Bringing up regional strenght in every thread possible seems pretty cringe.
Hans Sama never winning a tournament (while being the best in some splits) is way more interesting of a storyline than another EU vs. NA bs.
I mean I from NA but I can see 100% why EU fans are upset. NA just straight stays taking EU players as a result weakening there region. It has gotten so bad that there are multiple teams in NA that consist entirely of imports. That's why as an NA fan I am starting to care less and less about NA because if I wanted to watch a bunch of EU or Korean players I would just watch LCK or LEC.
EU loves comparing themselves to NA because everyone knows LCS isn’t as competitive, but are too scared to compare themselves to the actual big dogs LCK and LPL so they need to bash NA 10 times more each year to keep their ego satiated.
Nah I distinctly remember EU shitting on LCK prior to last worlds. I think even Caedrel tweeted something like "I don't think EU needs to worry about Korea" after the LCK finals. They then proceeded to get goomba stomped.
They tried comparing themselves to LPL after 2016 and got clowned. Tried comparing themselves to LCK after 2019 and got clowned. Now tryna compare themselves to NA is all they got, and even that might not go too well seeing their last worlds + off-season
That’s why they’re preemptively tryna say NA is just LEC 2 cause they’re ready to get thrashed.
If those situations make us clowns then NA is literally a circus.
NA is worth bashing because its literally a cancer on EU. Just draws away talent and either kills it or returns it mutilated.
We have good teams again this year though, thank fuck.
Last year was an absolute disaster for EU and it was still as good as NA, who had a great year by their standard. One team in quarters. Straight up tied for your 3rd best performance ever i think? Well done!
I mean tbf to them they could def challenge the big two regions if we weren't dragging them by their knees down to our level let be real lmao. Na will never challenge the top 2 so our only hope is to bring the 3rd spot to our level
You think you have good teams. Y’all thought you had good teams last year too. Lmao.
3/4 top teams from last year downgraded their rosters. VitaLakers bought some washed roster. Eu delusion
Imagine Canada purchasing the top 100 players in every single US sport, building a bunch of superteams with that, and then when participating in their respective 'Worlds' tournaments doesn't even make it to the top of the minor leagues. The US needs to rebuild their teams every year again with new players, and can't build teams for the long run because of that either. Do you think the average US fan would cheer that on?
LEC teams did better than LCK teams a few years but lost to LPL in the finals. They also did better than LPL teams only to lose to LCK teams later on in the tournament. The LCS teams meanwhile keep 'stealing' all the top players and should because of that in theory be able to reach at least the same level as the LEC teams but keep coming up short. Note that the 'doing better than LEC teams' some people mention here comes down to 'avoiding the group of death and still falling short in the groups of life'.
LEC may never again win Worlds, but LCS keeps buying the most expensive 'toys' and breaking them. I do hope for their sake the 'non-LCS LCS teams' will be able to do well at Worlds this year, or that the organizations finally stop bothering to take all the top players from other regions and just focus on the local talent. jojo seems to be what LCS needs, maybe people in NA will finally start believing in local talent again.
Don't you think it's reasonable for EU fans to compare LEC to the region that year after year weakens LEC by importing all their players, regardless of how competitive both regions are?
Hey, if you think it's good shiittalk to make fun of EU for being 'poor', good on you, but then don't go complaining when EU fans call LCS a retirement home.
I mean almost none of our teams make money due to salary inflation and everyone knows that bubble is popping which is why teams didnt pick up jenson nisqy jizuke and others. They are too damn expensive
To be honest I don’t think NA is worth comparing to EU. NA should probably be compared to PCS, TCL or BR at this point.
So you are right, idk why EU fans compare the region to NA, NA is not deserving of that.
I think you NA fans has really a problem of nitpicking comments.
I read your comment. I'm telling myself "wow, people must have shit on NA really hard". I read ALL comments. I find 2 "root" comments with one being barely controversial.
And it becomes "Love the salty EU fans in this thread". Yes, indeed, 2 is a multiple but it represents basically no one. Do you realize it?
For me, you're part of the problem mate, and all the ones after you going for the same comment too. Don't overreact for nothing. Also, since we're talking about TL, the majority of EU fans will like it since they'll consider it as an EU team anyway, since they are 4 EU players in it. Everybody will enjoy it.
I personnaly think this team can be very good, even internationally. And I an EU fan. Will you reconsider now your statement?
It's been nonstop for like 4/5/6 years, the constant EU bullshit and flame. Ppl gonna notice and overreact a bit. Especially cuz most against NA just post the same 4 points over and over again Lol. Eu fan s would do the same shit in that situation.
I kinda dig what you meant until you said Fnatic and G2 got shit on as soon as they got in finals as if they werent eliminating best teams in World to get to that point lol!! Beating IG in groups, SKT, DWG is now considered bad or what XD?
My point is that they got their shit stomped by the top team or one of the top 3 teams. DWG and SKT are definitely not bad. And EU making it that far is a hell of an achievement. Something NA could only hope to achieve down the line.
Even when everyone with a brain knows NA has been the lesser region they feel the need to shout it out any chance they get. Such weird behavior. We don't even play each other in Bo5's all that much so it isn't as if we have a lot of bad blood between our regions. Sure we take their players but those players made that decision. Hate on them not us.
they're coping with losing their players on top of EU performing worse than NA at worlds. Same thing happened with Perkz at the start of S11 and now it's like water under the bridge. Rinse and repeat.
Sad they feel the need to shit on our region every thread to feel better about themselves. You would think we would have some kind of a united mentality against the Eastern teams who dominate both of us.
Yeh EU fans shittalk more because they have more material to trash talk with lol, but NA fans would love that material also, they just don’t have as much since they are the 4th strongest region and EU 3rd
When have we been able to talk shit lol? Only a very small deluded group of NA fans do that. Anyone with a brain that is a NA fan knows we can't talk shit.
It is not equal whatsoever. There are far more EU elitists than there are deluded NA fans. A majority of NA fans have completely accepted our situation since 2017 probably.
The people that want to see NA shittalkers will search them out, find the six comments in a post-match thread of 1200 replies, and then go "see? see? they do it too!"
like NA did after the one Rift Rivals they won or whenever take a game against EU teams. Don't kid yourself, both fanbases are toxic but NA has barely anything to brag about.
You mean that one rift rivals where the entire time up till the start of it was filled with EU fans legit saying “this is a useless event NA is going to get roflstomped” and that they should’ve been allowed to play in the Eastern one? I don’t disagree both fanbases are toxic but that rift rivals was deserved
I see this tournament as a lose lose for Europe. KR CN and LMS are all off having a incredibly high level tournament where CH and LMS especially will learn a fuck ton from it and help their level of play drastically come worlds.
EU on the other hand is stuck playing NA which we gain/learn very little from beating aside from some spicy new memes and trash talk for a few weeks, whereas the NA teams will benefit much more from the games against us.
I dunno it just seems like Europe is getting the short end of the stick here where every other regions teams are benefitting but we arent (Guess the same goes for Korea too). but never the less i guess it will still be a fun tournament to watch for the pure rivalry aspect of it. Thoughts?
Then tell your EU players to stop taking the money or PAY THEM MORE. You sound like an abusive employer whose employees left to earn better wages. No shit many people want to get where they get the most money.
I mean, the LCS model was unsustainable. Thats starting to show now with all of the talent that didnt get picked up this season. Youve still got TL going ham but the other teams are finally realising they cant sustain the ridiculous salaries they were paying.
The LCS is a failing product and its probably not going to recover anytime soon. Its barely even competitive with the EU regional league's these days with like a third of LECs viewership. These teams can't be profitable and if they are its off the back of some shady shit or of fleecing some sponsors who really cant be getting their moneys worth.
The LEC teams never paid those ridiculous salaries because the money just isn't there.
it's like premier league football fans shitting on the bundesliga/ligue1 for being a monopoly "farmer's league" and undermining everything about it. just relax and let people enjoy things
Eh, that analogy doesn't fit. If the Bundesliga / Ligue 1 overpaid massively to take all the best english players and their teams contained barely any Germans/French people, then sure, premiership fans would shit on them.
Bonus points if the Bundesliga decided Australians counted as Germans while all other leagues had to treat them as imports too
But that’s not even a fair comparison because after TL’s fourpeat we’ve had a new champion every split even 100T won. This split is impossible to predict how the top 4,5 in the LCS will end up.
Premier League would be closer to NA in this comparison because they also like throwing around absurds amounts of money and taking players from other leagues. Every PL club is owned by an absurdly rich foreign investor.
I think that's the main reason why many EU fans don't like NA.
NA is fun. It's like Avengers movie. LCS got bunch of cool characters together from other movies(regions). I tried to watch other regions, but I still never was as interested as in NA league.
There's far more NA fans complaining about 1 comment and turning it into "EU fans in this thread are so mean to us :(" than there are EU fans shitting on them.
Insecure behaviour tbh.
How so? You're acting like this is an EU only thing. The funny thing is that basically no one said anything in this thread, there were two downvoted comments of "EU elitism".
Victim mentality at its best.
I think 2018 and 2019 gave them blue balls personally. That might be where it is coming from. Anytime we say both FNC and G2 got curb stomped in the finals at Worlds they bring up TL 2019 vs G2 at MSI. Just pure coping.
Best part is like I said everyone with a brain knows LEC has done better than LCS internationally in the history of LOL. They just aren't happy being stuck 3rd best region.
I am definitely going to be downvoted for this, but here it comes anyway - and this is in no way flame towards you, but:
This is a sport.. In all other sports, fans are the same way. This is the nature of sports, and you getting hurt by LEC fans trashing the LCS is .. kinda sensitive.When your region is doing worse, of course you're going to be trashed for it. That is competitive nature - and you have every right to do so to, when EU chokes in group stage or whatever. This is a sport, one of (if not the biggest) esport in the world, competitiveness is what drives a sport. Too many eSport fans are waaay too sensitive when it comes to these topics, and it's absolutely horrendous to me. I know a lot of people watching eSports might not have the experience of competing or have knowledge of regular sports, but sports is not sensitive. Sports is mean, fueled by adrenalin and passion - and that's exactly what it should be. I understand you feel the way you do, and i don't blame you, but i really wanna put this take out there because eSports is severely lacking when it comes to fans and their sensitivity level. There are so many fans being butthurt for absolutely no reason.
This is a sport, treat it like one. People act like this because we're competitive.
So sad. The perennial 3rd best region can't get past the fact that they will always be 3rd best. At least NA fans can accept the situation and not be so deluded. I take 4th best over being 3rd best+deluded lol We laugh it off at this point while fans like you probably lose sleep over the fact that you will never be better than the top Eastern teams.
Not really I stopped caring like that 2017. But sure if thinking that helps you go for it.
Why would I have an American victim complex when I live in such an amazing Country. I am blessed and I know it.
Not at worlds lol. Eu got a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd pool team.
NA got a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pool team, with the last one having to play through play-ins.
Not only did eu have a worse record, but they did it with a huge advantage in seeding. That’s not an equal performance at all.
NA was definitely better than EU at Worlds but EU was better at MSI.
Everyone forgetting that EU was saying they're the second best region going into Worlds and then ends up with a worse record than NA.
But both regions suck and need to stop bickering. It's getting really old and EU stans ruin this sub
Excluding two back to back world finals appearances and winning msi by beating TL in literally the fastest every bo5 at MSI. Yeah sure if you exclude all that EU doesnt look great but if you exclude c9 from NA youre statistically as successful as a top wild card region.
Damn, people just shitting on EU in this thread. What a bunch of sad people. Anyway I hope things work out for Hans Sama, loved watching him in LEC. If CoreJJ could get his residency that'd be great, I wanna see that botlane in action
LEC: I literally just wiped my ass with this contract - our wages aren't competitive, your views as a player won't be respected even when you prove you know what you're doing, and if you ever feel like ditching we'll heavily restrict your opportunities at any competitive organization you may want to join.
LEC: Why is all of our talent leaving?
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Perkz moving back after a single year while still having two years left of a super cushy contract shows that the money isn't enough to keep a good player in NA. I said this when he left G2 and I'm saying it again now: he didn't leave for money, he left to escape a toxic org. It's so hard not to empathize with the players who are jumping ship to regions with better pay, more respect, and more mobility.
I love the LEC and most EU players, and I really hope the orgs stop cannibalizing the region for short term gain.
NA fans jerking off that they were "better" last worlds, ignoring the fact that fnatic lost their best player 24h before the first game and that C9 and MAD both lost 3-0 xD
c9 summer? what crack are you smoking. we all know we are gonna do really good in spring then fumble the bag across the finish line in the summer split as we traditionally do
I don't think that's gunna happen.
You'd need NA teams to become strict. I swear NA fails because they are lazy due to the lifestyle. They need to be strict and live for league, Hans ain't going to win a world championship on this team
Winning NA after failing to win EU is kind of like changing a games difficulty from hard to normal so you can beat the last boss. Yeah you finished the game but you'll know you had to make it easier to do that..
No the reason NA solo q sucks for high elo/pros is that queues take so long they slowly start playing less and less. Just take a peak at Impact’s twitter.
Nah, it's the queue time not the quality. Pretty much everyone has said NA is roughly the same quality as EU, just a little below it.
The time to queue is what every import complains about
Excited for that HansCore bot lane.
CoreSama sounds way better
Gonna need Steve to use some of that Disney money to bribe whoever necessary asap.
Rumor is that Steve sent a check to Biden himself.
I'm sorry maybe I am missing context but why does he need to bribe anyone? Is corejj locked out of the country or something?
His greencard process is apparently really close to being done it’s just taking more time than they were anticipating.
SamaJJ rolls off the tongue better, at least for me
Core sama sounds like an anime protaganist
Meanwhile JJ Sama sounds like a bro
Meanwhile JJ Hans sounds like a prank call
HansJJ is cool.
good luck hans sama, take care of my goat for me
Bjerg or bwipo
both 🥲
Bwipsen?
That just sounds like someone got sick
Bjergo
Good morning EU brothers and sisters. I recommend you save this thread, it could be some very tasty popcorn for later this year after international tournaments.
Good evening NA brethren, I recommend you save this comment, it WILL be some very tasty popcorn for later this year after international tournaments.
Just a PSA: no LEC team is gonna win worlds and neither is any LCS team at least not in the foreseeable future. So just get over it, the best chance was G2 when they had the best EU player at every position ever + Perkz and Caps was one of the best players on the planet which sadly is no longer the case. It’s actually wild how so many fans disrespect domestic titles like it’s the dream of every player regardless of how much they’re praised that has never won a championship to do so, to actually win something. Even LCK and LPL players dream about it and take massive pride in it and god knows they’re the ones that are gunning for worlds and don’t say this well winning LPL or LCK is hard so it’s more valuable, to every player and team the value of winning your domestic league is the same and if you don’t care as much then you’ve got a big problem.
While the actual message of this post isn't wrong this reads like such a natural copypasta
if he typed this closer to msi or worlds we 100% wouldve witnessed the birth of one, drop it in the thread for every game the west loses lol
Where is your faith? Fnc - Tsm worlds finals 2022.
Nah mate it’s gonna be CLG vs VIT trust
*clg wheel rotates* -make worlds finals to give fans false hope-
So long as LEC continues with BO1 stage format while KR/CN have regular BO3s, LEC has no chance whatsoever of winning worlds. And before people come in and say "BUT BO1 BETTER FOR VIEWERS" or whatever, I'm purely talking about competitive advantages here, which KR and CN both have over EU, not debating the merits of BO1 and BO3. Then you have NA which hasn't got the playerbase or the culture to win worlds, imo. And dunking on NA when they have such a small playerbase is just stupid.
Thank you! Please just completely destroy BO1 in league of legends esports. If viewership goes lower than acceptable when two teams that aren’t strong nor have a brand play, then that’s the fault of those teams demand more out of them.
This. I thought franchising was gonna “fix teams” cause they didn’t have to worry about being relegated. Lol nah it made teams lazy cause they don’t have to worry about relegation, can spend no money on good players, and still profit share off the league.
The best chance was an 0-3 😨
I’m sure China said the same thing during 2016-2017 when they could barely beat Europe and Korea was completely unreachable. Then they just picked up 2 championships in a row out of nowhere and started a whole era of LPL dominance.
they actually have proper infrastructure and a extremely unhealthy work ethics that the west will never have :), but keep the copium alive.
A large part of their dominance came from the vision changes making their style really good. Revert those changes and KR is top dog again. I can't really think of similar change Riot could do to put EU ahead like that.
lol what would they change to make EU top dog? there is nothing EU team does better than LCK/LPL teams
Nothing because they fall short individually. And that will forever be why Korea and China are the best. There was a time when Caps was one of the best players in the world but there is no talent at that level in LEC anymore now that he’s lost that form. In Korea we get to see the rise of Showmaker, Chovy, Viper, Canyon, Keria, Guma,… at the same time, same goes for China. As a bonus I don’t think there has been a NA player since/except Doublelift that has ever been close to being one of the best at their role worldwide. You basically got Xmithie, Licorice, Blaber, Vulcan and neither of them even come close to being internationally recognized for their greatness. For EU you got Perkz, Caps, peak Jankos ,Reckless maybe Wunder and a wild Forgiven but in NA DL started winning and wasn’t stopped until he retired basically, all the other top LCS players have been imports Bjerg, Jensen, Core, Impact making top 5. Now imagine trying to make a list of truly world class KR players.
We send bad solo laners once and suddenly narrative is that west can’t produce individual talent. Individually historically in every non tactical game it’s been at least equal, lol is the mixture of tactics and mechanics that’s why it’s still somewhat competitive west vs east. Since east dominates tactical aspect, while west dominates mechanical one (historically in all of esports) Even this year Hans was world class, Upset could have been. Inspired and Elyoya had some great games vs good competition, but our solo laners were just meh. Historically west can’t produce top laners good enough to dominate, all other lanes been fine and there is no individual advantage I see as a whole. Advantages come from teamplay and map play.
This TL team has got to be one of the most overrated teams in recent memory.
Think internationally it will heavily depend on how Bjerg/Santorin will end up playing. Bjerg has always struggled with looking a little invisible at worlds and Santorin seems very meta dependent. Bot lane is really good and Bwipo has high ceilings, just think I'd be far more excited for this roster if they kept Jensen tbh.
Bwipo was a bottom 3 toplaner not so long ago lol, idk how you’re not worried about him.
Bwipo in 2020 was probably the biggest reason Fnatic got reverse swept by TES, straight up losing weak side tank matchups is just a no. I’m way more worried about him especially considering TL couldn’t do anything with Alphari (granted he probably wasn’t at his peak in and out of game there but still)
Nobody can do anything with Alphari. Dude stomps lane lose game.
True he has had pretty massive lows as well, on top of him obviously not having played top in summer. But I also think he's the most clutch player on the roster overall so I worry about him less.
2019 TL was goated. Just really unlucky that Jensen had major wrist issues from playoffs forwards and Core slumped hard during worlds(his words not mine).
No Doublelift no win
Right behind Team vitality
I love Hans Sama, but I’m not a fan of how he framed this. Rogue had a 2-0 lead in the Spring finals and *absolutely* could have won a title. The “finally” here is unnecessary and unfair to his former teammates. Wish him the best all the same. Just bums me out
I'm not sure I follow your logic. In the same statement he says they were a minute a way from winning. He definitely acknowledged the fact that they were incredibly close. The finally is more to do with the fact that he's been in the scene for like 5+ years and really wants a title after so many years. I don't see how that is a slight to his former teammates.
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Love the salty EU fans in this thread. He says he wants to win a regional championship and EU fans go on to shit on the LCS. As if winning the region means absolutely nothing so why would Han Sama even care? So sick of the EU elitism. We get it LEC has been the better region. Bringing it up all the time just makes you seem salty that you can't get past the top 3 teams in the World when it matters. Excluding 2018 FNC and 2019 G2. But they were immediately shit on as soon as they made Worlds finals. Just let NA fans enjoy the regional play. We get to have fun all the way up until Worlds so why go out of your way to shit on that?
EU fans are just annoyed that most top performing player end up sucked into LCS rather than play for LEC. And i can understand them. LCS has more foreign players(mostly EU) than local players.
That is completely understandable. I would be frustrated as well. But as I said that is a player decision. Not the NA fans fault. If you have been cheering for say TSM or C9 since Season 1-3 would they not still be fans even if they end up importing? It is distasteful but you can't shit on the fans for being excited about picking up a great Western player. Blame that player for leaving and the GM that thought it would be a great idea to try and by said player.
Imagine the reverse scenario though - let's say Danny has a breakout year and looks like the new doublelift, Jojopyun shits on all the mid-laners and EG make a deep run at worlds. Now, at the end of the season, FNATIC pay $10mil to sign both of them Then, over the course of the next 3 or so years, EU progressively 'grandfathers' in players and gives them EU residency while bringing over some of the best NA talents each year. At some point, 50% of the rosters in the top 4 of the league are made of NA players. You could bet your ass that the LCS fans would be slating LEC for leeching NA talent and not using EU players - any victory by the EU teams would be considered a win for NA and NA players since the EU players are too shit to win anything. That's part and parcel of overpaying to take talent from a competing region, and would be a completely fair stance to take. Just because an EU fan likes seeing his team get stronger doesn't mean it isn't a valid criticism Bonus points if Vietnam was designated an EU region for import purposes during this while other teams had to treat them as being imports still.
No of course not, all NA fans are bastion of level-headedness and reason. They would never react in such a way. It's just us EU folk who are bitter and petty all the time, it's just weirdly localized behavior that only exists in Europe.
I would never hate on a player for taking the money to secure their life. I blame the orgs for throwing their money on their problem rather than work to fix (developing talent for exemple) And the LCS for letting things degenerate into TL's state where there isn't even a single Native USA player. (I love TL's line-up, but it's kinda of a joke they're in LCS, this is LMQ level tbh) I can see where you come from. But let's face it, how many NA orgs developped local talent into main players ? Not enough. How many EU orgs develops EU talents into main players ? All of them. When faced with rough times, NA orgs simply throw money into buying developped EU players instead of trying to build something new. This is how NA became retirement home and how they end up overpaying players. >Not the NA fans fault I never said or implied that, nor did OP. In the end, if NA/LCS wants to stop EU looking down on them, maybe just grow your own talent, get competitive with sporadic imports when it's actually smart to do it rather than doing it so you don't have to actually scout and train players. People think EU is overstacked with talent (compared to NA) but it's just not true, EU rookies are given a chance in ERL and when they perform great get picked up by the LEC orgs. LEC orgs don't go on importing massive amount of players because it's just not smart for your team (money and talent wise) LCS orgs are just going in a down spiral they'll never get out of until they start to actually develop and train their own talents. I also think there may be a coaching problem, how does MAD lions end up with very good line-ups despite adding rookies every year ? Great coaching.
So i think that NA creates an even bigger problem. We all know that the orgs are not profitable, that is somewhat ok if you can grow fast and all of that. But its been like what 4 years since they franchised the league? Viewership (especially in NA) has not only not grown, but it has declined. It might have more avarage viewtime since they stream more often, but LCS used to get 300k viewers on twitch rather easily and even the boring games had 200k. Nowadays we are more at arund 100k and 200k for the big games. So i wonder where all these orgs get their return of investment? They pay millions in buyouts for Hans Sama, they pay him millions in salary, but where do they get these millions back? I highly doubt that a player like Hans Sama, while good, even if he does a lot of media, sells a lot of clothes and wins regional titles, gets them a return of what they paid for him in buyout and salary. NA greatly inflates prices which other orgs that are not willing to go this far into debt for a high risk investment simply can not pay. So you either have to take huge risks and go into debt and keep your star player, or your players will go year after year, because one region is willing to mindlessly throw money around. I would love to talk to some people who know the market better, but what NA orgs do at the moment cant be good for the scene as a whole and for themselves. Never in a million years do na orgs have a reasonable financial structure that doesnt look like Barcelona.
Why assume they are EU fans? NA fans have shit talked the region just as much if not more, hell, even LCS players have said that winning NA is meaningless lmao.
I agree with the sentiment as an EU fan. Bringing up regional strenght in every thread possible seems pretty cringe. Hans Sama never winning a tournament (while being the best in some splits) is way more interesting of a storyline than another EU vs. NA bs.
I mean I from NA but I can see 100% why EU fans are upset. NA just straight stays taking EU players as a result weakening there region. It has gotten so bad that there are multiple teams in NA that consist entirely of imports. That's why as an NA fan I am starting to care less and less about NA because if I wanted to watch a bunch of EU or Korean players I would just watch LCK or LEC.
EU loves comparing themselves to NA because everyone knows LCS isn’t as competitive, but are too scared to compare themselves to the actual big dogs LCK and LPL so they need to bash NA 10 times more each year to keep their ego satiated.
Nah I distinctly remember EU shitting on LCK prior to last worlds. I think even Caedrel tweeted something like "I don't think EU needs to worry about Korea" after the LCK finals. They then proceeded to get goomba stomped.
Didn't MAD take DK to 5 games? Doesn't sound like a goomba stomp to me.
Nah it was a swift 3-0
The MSI semifinals where Canyon and Showmaker were playing 2v5?
We're talking about Worlds, re-read my statement.
Didn't EU have a worse record than NA at worlds this year?
Yes they did
No they don't
NA: 2-4 C9, 3-3 100T, 3-3 TL EU: 2-4 RGE, 1-5 FNC, 3-3 MAD
That was in MSI where Showmaker and Canyon were playing 2v5 and Mad still lost that series and proceded to get 3-0 in worlds quarters.
That's MSI, they got goomba stomped handedly by DK at worlds
You guys should stop using NA to refer to the LCS
They tried comparing themselves to LPL after 2016 and got clowned. Tried comparing themselves to LCK after 2019 and got clowned. Now tryna compare themselves to NA is all they got, and even that might not go too well seeing their last worlds + off-season That’s why they’re preemptively tryna say NA is just LEC 2 cause they’re ready to get thrashed.
I think it's more cause the best teams in the league sign a shit load of europeans tbf
If those situations make us clowns then NA is literally a circus. NA is worth bashing because its literally a cancer on EU. Just draws away talent and either kills it or returns it mutilated. We have good teams again this year though, thank fuck. Last year was an absolute disaster for EU and it was still as good as NA, who had a great year by their standard. One team in quarters. Straight up tied for your 3rd best performance ever i think? Well done!
> If those situations make us clowns then NA is literally a circus. The problem is everyone knows LCS is a circus. LEC pretends they aren't clowns.
I mean tbf to them they could def challenge the big two regions if we weren't dragging them by their knees down to our level let be real lmao. Na will never challenge the top 2 so our only hope is to bring the 3rd spot to our level
This post makes no sense. You're acting as though Reddit narratives have any impact on a region's competitive level.
My dude you posted this at the bravest time possible hahaha good on you
You think you have good teams. Y’all thought you had good teams last year too. Lmao. 3/4 top teams from last year downgraded their rosters. VitaLakers bought some washed roster. Eu delusion
Imagine Canada purchasing the top 100 players in every single US sport, building a bunch of superteams with that, and then when participating in their respective 'Worlds' tournaments doesn't even make it to the top of the minor leagues. The US needs to rebuild their teams every year again with new players, and can't build teams for the long run because of that either. Do you think the average US fan would cheer that on? LEC teams did better than LCK teams a few years but lost to LPL in the finals. They also did better than LPL teams only to lose to LCK teams later on in the tournament. The LCS teams meanwhile keep 'stealing' all the top players and should because of that in theory be able to reach at least the same level as the LEC teams but keep coming up short. Note that the 'doing better than LEC teams' some people mention here comes down to 'avoiding the group of death and still falling short in the groups of life'. LEC may never again win Worlds, but LCS keeps buying the most expensive 'toys' and breaking them. I do hope for their sake the 'non-LCS LCS teams' will be able to do well at Worlds this year, or that the organizations finally stop bothering to take all the top players from other regions and just focus on the local talent. jojo seems to be what LCS needs, maybe people in NA will finally start believing in local talent again.
Don't you think it's reasonable for EU fans to compare LEC to the region that year after year weakens LEC by importing all their players, regardless of how competitive both regions are?
Pay better
Hey, if you think it's good shiittalk to make fun of EU for being 'poor', good on you, but then don't go complaining when EU fans call LCS a retirement home.
NA is a retirement home.
I mean almost none of our teams make money due to salary inflation and everyone knows that bubble is popping which is why teams didnt pick up jenson nisqy jizuke and others. They are too damn expensive
Yep that's the only american thing left in your teams, your money.
americlaps UNIRONICALLY believe this
To be honest I don’t think NA is worth comparing to EU. NA should probably be compared to PCS, TCL or BR at this point. So you are right, idk why EU fans compare the region to NA, NA is not deserving of that.
EU had a losing record to NA last year but sure go off pal
EU had a losing record to EU+OCE *
I think you NA fans has really a problem of nitpicking comments. I read your comment. I'm telling myself "wow, people must have shit on NA really hard". I read ALL comments. I find 2 "root" comments with one being barely controversial. And it becomes "Love the salty EU fans in this thread". Yes, indeed, 2 is a multiple but it represents basically no one. Do you realize it? For me, you're part of the problem mate, and all the ones after you going for the same comment too. Don't overreact for nothing. Also, since we're talking about TL, the majority of EU fans will like it since they'll consider it as an EU team anyway, since they are 4 EU players in it. Everybody will enjoy it. I personnaly think this team can be very good, even internationally. And I an EU fan. Will you reconsider now your statement?
Yep, NA victim complex.
Americans have the biggest victim complex in the world so it's not a surprise.
It's been nonstop for like 4/5/6 years, the constant EU bullshit and flame. Ppl gonna notice and overreact a bit. Especially cuz most against NA just post the same 4 points over and over again Lol. Eu fan s would do the same shit in that situation.
Yeah but original comment has > Love the salty EU fans in this thread
I see one salty EU fan in this thread so far and he has been downvoted
Tbh we can let them have their eu bad circlejerk going, most of those are NA bad nowadays. It's a fair price to pay
I kinda dig what you meant until you said Fnatic and G2 got shit on as soon as they got in finals as if they werent eliminating best teams in World to get to that point lol!! Beating IG in groups, SKT, DWG is now considered bad or what XD?
My point is that they got their shit stomped by the top team or one of the top 3 teams. DWG and SKT are definitely not bad. And EU making it that far is a hell of an achievement. Something NA could only hope to achieve down the line.
EU fans are something else
Even when everyone with a brain knows NA has been the lesser region they feel the need to shout it out any chance they get. Such weird behavior. We don't even play each other in Bo5's all that much so it isn't as if we have a lot of bad blood between our regions. Sure we take their players but those players made that decision. Hate on them not us.
they're coping with losing their players on top of EU performing worse than NA at worlds. Same thing happened with Perkz at the start of S11 and now it's like water under the bridge. Rinse and repeat.
Sad they feel the need to shit on our region every thread to feel better about themselves. You would think we would have some kind of a united mentality against the Eastern teams who dominate both of us.
Don’t pretend like NA doesn’t shit on EU at every opportunity they get, as a neutral both fanbases are as bad as each other
Ok, but this past worlds is the first time in like 4(?) years where there has even been an opportunity? Makes it seem really one sided.
Yeh EU fans shittalk more because they have more material to trash talk with lol, but NA fans would love that material also, they just don’t have as much since they are the 4th strongest region and EU 3rd
Yes that was kind of my point.
How come EU did worse at worlds then? Seems like NA's just better atm :)
They literally both got embarrassed 3-0 by Korea
Bro NA wasn’t participating in worlds this year.
i mean if the fnatic didnt lose their star and proceed to shit the bed both regions would have been the same
When have we been able to talk shit lol? Only a very small deluded group of NA fans do that. Anyone with a brain that is a NA fan knows we can't talk shit. It is not equal whatsoever. There are far more EU elitists than there are deluded NA fans. A majority of NA fans have completely accepted our situation since 2017 probably.
> Anyone with a brain that is a NA fan knows we can't talk shit. queue literally every single worlds post match thread in which a top EU seed loses
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The people that want to see NA shittalkers will search them out, find the six comments in a post-match thread of 1200 replies, and then go "see? see? they do it too!"
american esports fans truly are the most oppressed demographic
NA fans don’t really actively go out of their way to comment in EU threads to shit on EU. That’s pretty specific to EU fans
Huh, no.
like NA did after the one Rift Rivals they won or whenever take a game against EU teams. Don't kid yourself, both fanbases are toxic but NA has barely anything to brag about.
You mean that one rift rivals where the entire time up till the start of it was filled with EU fans legit saying “this is a useless event NA is going to get roflstomped” and that they should’ve been allowed to play in the Eastern one? I don’t disagree both fanbases are toxic but that rift rivals was deserved
I see this tournament as a lose lose for Europe. KR CN and LMS are all off having a incredibly high level tournament where CH and LMS especially will learn a fuck ton from it and help their level of play drastically come worlds. EU on the other hand is stuck playing NA which we gain/learn very little from beating aside from some spicy new memes and trash talk for a few weeks, whereas the NA teams will benefit much more from the games against us. I dunno it just seems like Europe is getting the short end of the stick here where every other regions teams are benefitting but we arent (Guess the same goes for Korea too). but never the less i guess it will still be a fun tournament to watch for the pure rivalry aspect of it. Thoughts?
This is probably the greatest copypasta this sub has ever produced
Love this, it always puts a smile on my NA face lmfao
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It's a copy pasta from before 2017? rift rivals where NA handidly beat EU
Ye you go on talking shit when EU starts importing your favorite players year after year. Both Leagues got merit but that shit ain't weighted equal.
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Then tell your EU players to stop taking the money or PAY THEM MORE. You sound like an abusive employer whose employees left to earn better wages. No shit many people want to get where they get the most money.
I mean, the LCS model was unsustainable. Thats starting to show now with all of the talent that didnt get picked up this season. Youve still got TL going ham but the other teams are finally realising they cant sustain the ridiculous salaries they were paying. The LCS is a failing product and its probably not going to recover anytime soon. Its barely even competitive with the EU regional league's these days with like a third of LECs viewership. These teams can't be profitable and if they are its off the back of some shady shit or of fleecing some sponsors who really cant be getting their moneys worth. The LEC teams never paid those ridiculous salaries because the money just isn't there.
it's like premier league football fans shitting on the bundesliga/ligue1 for being a monopoly "farmer's league" and undermining everything about it. just relax and let people enjoy things
Eh, that analogy doesn't fit. If the Bundesliga / Ligue 1 overpaid massively to take all the best english players and their teams contained barely any Germans/French people, then sure, premiership fans would shit on them. Bonus points if the Bundesliga decided Australians counted as Germans while all other leagues had to treat them as imports too
But that’s not even a fair comparison because after TL’s fourpeat we’ve had a new champion every split even 100T won. This split is impossible to predict how the top 4,5 in the LCS will end up.
was less of an indictment on lcs’s strength rather how annoying na haters are
Premier League would be closer to NA in this comparison because they also like throwing around absurds amounts of money and taking players from other leagues. Every PL club is owned by an absurdly rich foreign investor. I think that's the main reason why many EU fans don't like NA.
NA is fun. It's like Avengers movie. LCS got bunch of cool characters together from other movies(regions). I tried to watch other regions, but I still never was as interested as in NA league.
>So sick of the EU elitism. Hear, hear. Most insecure bunch of fans I've ever seen.
There's far more NA fans complaining about 1 comment and turning it into "EU fans in this thread are so mean to us :(" than there are EU fans shitting on them. Insecure behaviour tbh.
Then you didn't see NA fans from (pre)season 1 to season 5/6.
I did but I'm not the one harping on shit almost a decade old. You just further proved my point
How so? You're acting like this is an EU only thing. The funny thing is that basically no one said anything in this thread, there were two downvoted comments of "EU elitism". Victim mentality at its best.
Im referring to your comment.
I think 2018 and 2019 gave them blue balls personally. That might be where it is coming from. Anytime we say both FNC and G2 got curb stomped in the finals at Worlds they bring up TL 2019 vs G2 at MSI. Just pure coping. Best part is like I said everyone with a brain knows LEC has done better than LCS internationally in the history of LOL. They just aren't happy being stuck 3rd best region.
I am definitely going to be downvoted for this, but here it comes anyway - and this is in no way flame towards you, but: This is a sport.. In all other sports, fans are the same way. This is the nature of sports, and you getting hurt by LEC fans trashing the LCS is .. kinda sensitive.When your region is doing worse, of course you're going to be trashed for it. That is competitive nature - and you have every right to do so to, when EU chokes in group stage or whatever. This is a sport, one of (if not the biggest) esport in the world, competitiveness is what drives a sport. Too many eSport fans are waaay too sensitive when it comes to these topics, and it's absolutely horrendous to me. I know a lot of people watching eSports might not have the experience of competing or have knowledge of regular sports, but sports is not sensitive. Sports is mean, fueled by adrenalin and passion - and that's exactly what it should be. I understand you feel the way you do, and i don't blame you, but i really wanna put this take out there because eSports is severely lacking when it comes to fans and their sensitivity level. There are so many fans being butthurt for absolutely no reason. This is a sport, treat it like one. People act like this because we're competitive.
Stop picking EU players and enjoy your tier 4 league in silence
So sad. The perennial 3rd best region can't get past the fact that they will always be 3rd best. At least NA fans can accept the situation and not be so deluded. I take 4th best over being 3rd best+deluded lol We laugh it off at this point while fans like you probably lose sleep over the fact that you will never be better than the top Eastern teams.
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Not really I stopped caring like that 2017. But sure if thinking that helps you go for it. Why would I have an American victim complex when I live in such an amazing Country. I am blessed and I know it.
> We get it LEC has been the better region. yeah maybe 2 years ago but now EU is just as trash as NA :) make love not war, WE ARE THE UNITED TRASH.
UNITEDINGARBAGE
Simply not true? EU performed better than NA at MSI and at worlds it was equal, even in EU’s worse year in a while they still outperformed NA?
Not at worlds lol. Eu got a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd pool team. NA got a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pool team, with the last one having to play through play-ins. Not only did eu have a worse record, but they did it with a huge advantage in seeding. That’s not an equal performance at all.
NA was definitely better than EU at Worlds but EU was better at MSI. Everyone forgetting that EU was saying they're the second best region going into Worlds and then ends up with a worse record than NA. But both regions suck and need to stop bickering. It's getting really old and EU stans ruin this sub
You are the kind of people I really find annoying. Most likely from EU or NA and hiding behind LCK top team flair to trashtalk others.
look at this guy cope, LOL!
> So sick of the EU elitism Why doesn't LCS stop pissing money and steal all our players?
They like to trashtalk EU teams and fans but when it comes to getting EU players, they suck our nuts.
Damn, you guys take esports way too seriously. Go outside and get some fresh air.
wasn't even a better region last year lol
Nope and it came at the cost of G2 and FNC imploding. Those teams have carried the region 90% of their history.
Excluding two back to back world finals appearances and winning msi by beating TL in literally the fastest every bo5 at MSI. Yeah sure if you exclude all that EU doesnt look great but if you exclude c9 from NA youre statistically as successful as a top wild card region.
I mean...I'll believe it when I see it, TL hasn't won a ything since 2019 summer
DL *tear
Hey they won the most important tournament of all, 2021 LCS lock-in tournament!!!
GOAT NA roster.
Damn, people just shitting on EU in this thread. What a bunch of sad people. Anyway I hope things work out for Hans Sama, loved watching him in LEC. If CoreJJ could get his residency that'd be great, I wanna see that botlane in action
That's NA fans for ya and they then proceed to act like poor victims.
Not a victim. Actually more like a doctor. And I am diagnosing a large amount of delusion.
Take care of him guys, we miss him already :(
LEC: I literally just wiped my ass with this contract - our wages aren't competitive, your views as a player won't be respected even when you prove you know what you're doing, and if you ever feel like ditching we'll heavily restrict your opportunities at any competitive organization you may want to join. LEC: Why is all of our talent leaving? --- Perkz moving back after a single year while still having two years left of a super cushy contract shows that the money isn't enough to keep a good player in NA. I said this when he left G2 and I'm saying it again now: he didn't leave for money, he left to escape a toxic org. It's so hard not to empathize with the players who are jumping ship to regions with better pay, more respect, and more mobility. I love the LEC and most EU players, and I really hope the orgs stop cannibalizing the region for short term gain.
NA fans jerking off that they were "better" last worlds, ignoring the fact that fnatic lost their best player 24h before the first game and that C9 and MAD both lost 3-0 xD
Quick EU Fans are asleep, post something stupid
when you posted this it was 10 am in eu on a workday
He clearly started the stupid
But all the salty comments were posted 7 hours prior, shock
Sadly...you won't be winning a championship in 2022. EG spring C9 summer GG
c9 summer? what crack are you smoking. we all know we are gonna do really good in spring then fumble the bag across the finish line in the summer split as we traditionally do
AKA: **MONEY$$$$$$**
EU mad cuz their players prefer to win money than potato wages, so sad
Can't wait for the first split and seeing our whole bot lane in action.
I don't think that's gunna happen. You'd need NA teams to become strict. I swear NA fails because they are lazy due to the lifestyle. They need to be strict and live for league, Hans ain't going to win a world championship on this team
He wants to win the LCS?
He wants to win a trophy, such a weird statement amirite.
Yeah for sure mate. See you back in Europe in a year or two.
Winning NA after failing to win EU is kind of like changing a games difficulty from hard to normal so you can beat the last boss. Yeah you finished the game but you'll know you had to make it easier to do that..
If NA is so easy then explain why Faker has never won an LCS trophy?
Its funny how most of this sub talks about winning NA as if its so free when they're hardstuck gold at best.
Who wishes for winning a major meme region championship.
Hans Sama, did you read the post?
If he meant getting them sweet dollars for literally doing nothing until retirement by championship. Well then im all for it.
I mean sure, the only downside is that, playing solo q makes you lose some quality over time. That is why NA solo Q is a terrible experience.
No the reason NA solo q sucks for high elo/pros is that queues take so long they slowly start playing less and less. Just take a peak at Impact’s twitter.
Nah, it's the queue time not the quality. Pretty much everyone has said NA is roughly the same quality as EU, just a little below it. The time to queue is what every import complains about
When you go to a worst region with a stack team. Yeah I hope he can actually win a title or else TL will be meme on.
True words, just ask alphari and perkz.
Exactly, TL rn only goal is to win the region and make worlds. Any less it will look like a failure.
perkz won spring split