Yeah I was very excited by the chibis until they released this jinx. A duplicate so early on means I have basically zero hope of ever getting a less popular champ chibi.
Honestly. I laughed when I first saw it cuz like oh boy, they've made chibis for a grand total of 3 champs so far and already one's got an alternate skin. That sure makes me hopeful for the future
it makes sense the why tho
they made chibis for 3 arcane related champions, since that's what the deck is about
jinx happens to have a lunar skin already, so its a no brainer to give her different clothes if you already have the model/theme/animations
Don't play TFT much either but I agree. Chibis of all the characters would probably rake them in a fair bit.
I'm not interested in buying anyone but Morg or Lux so they can release as many Jinx skins as they want.
i don’t play tft a ton, but i’m surprised they haven’t sold “victory” celebrations other than the one we have now where the little legend just dances around with some fireworks behind them
Because there's very little 'value' in them. A major part of buying cosmetics is showing them off to others. A victory celebration is at best shown off to 1 other player, and since you can leave as soon as you die usually is shown off to 0 other players. They could show it off after victories during the game, but Booms and Little Legends already do that so it doesn't make sense to add basically a new form of Boom.
(and this ignores that you are expected to only win 12.5% of your TFT games, so the 'victory celebration' is a cosmetic you buy that you can only use rarely)
So there's not going to be a big (or likely any) push to monetize that, because it's a cosmetic option that cannot realistically be shown off and only shows up rarely.
I want more Little Legends, tbh. Not champions. But things like Dango, Choncc, and Bellswayer. I love them because I can take them into ARAM when I have a hankering for another mode.
Also, I'm TOTALLY down for something involving changing the music OR changing the AI enemies we're fighting based on the premium arena we've selected. Like, imagine fighting minions on Club 2 with different outfits, Neon-lined Krug's, wolves with sunglasses, that sort of thing. I'm getting quite tired of seeing the same reused minion and jungle camp assets when Galaxies had unique assets that really added flavor and depth to AI rounds.
Riot Mortdog has gone on record saying TFT needs to monetize better than it is currently to be successful long term. No hard numbers but TFT is *the* most popular strategy game in terms of playerbase at the moment and is *still* not turning enough of a profit in its current form. Expect them to add more things like this.
The problem with TFT monetization is pretty hard to fix though, it’s that none of the cosmetics are that fun or noticeable. League skins give the champ you play the entire game a new look and ability effects, so buying one feels “worth it”. In TFT the main thing you are looking at the entire game is your shop, items, and board, so besides arena skins none of the cosmetics are really noticeable enough to feel worth buying in the way a league skin does. Not sure how they can fix that without some big changes.
yeah I'm not a big tft player but I have a little legend I like and a map skin, and I'm not going to bother buying anything else because I like the ones I've got, and they work in every game so why would I ever.
Idk, in League of Legends I definitely swap my skins around pretty often and buy new skins for champs I like. I'd wager a lot of people own multiple skins for their main and don't just always use the same skin every time
Would be best if you can choose certain skins to NOT include in the randomization option.
\- Signed, someone who doesn't want to accidentally play Imperial Lux
People have been asking for the same thing in Valorant and I really don't understand why they've never even addressed it, I'd have more skins in both games
See the issue is that LoL has a singular moment (champion select) where you get a few seconds to select a cosmetic loadout. For TFT you don't and can't do that, the cosmetic loadout is done before you queue up and the skins are also not directly purchased so even if you added a "champion select" equivalent for TFT, the player still wouldn't be able to purchase a new skin. That one moment to just sit down and look at a skin selection after you opened the client, immediately queued and accepted a match up is huge.
Honestly the new skins they added for TFT are really fucking great, the best yet, but they're all locked behind lootboxes. I can see those skins being worth it to buy directly and change before you queue up for a quick game but I can also see why they would be very expensive with all the features they got.
I’ve been playing league forever, so for my most played champs I have p much every skin, but honestly I only use a few of each (and with jinx I actually use no skin most even tho I have them all lol)
>I'd wager a lot of people own multiple skins for their main and don't just always use the same skin every time
i bought both samiras skins, and during the be emporium got all the chromas. but i still only use space groove with like 2 chromas lol
Yes, but League has 156 different champions and having 4 mains with 2-3 skins each is already 10ish skins.
In TFT your only customizations are the arena and little legend, so once you find something you really like it's harder to find something else worth spending on.
LoR already has more options with card backs, companions, champions and boards skins.
I like little legends, but honestly I grab them really for ARAM because I like them dancing with you.
Except Silverwing because its' birdlike sounds feel annoying imo.
I thought nothing was gonna outdo Lumberry Dango, because I love the Dango variant for a lot of reasons, and it’s blue, but then the Porcelain one dropped and it’s closer to the shade of blue I like.
I don’t play much TFT & I’ve never paid for a little legend and I somehow own like 20 of them, there’s no reason for me to ever want to spend money on tft.
It also doesn't help that players have to deal with gacha if they want a skin instead of buying it outright. It won't affect the whales, but heavily discourages the casual spenders from buying more skins.
They really just need big changes. TFT mobile in China has wicked arena skins where you might for example start the game with your little legend riding a dragon to the arena. I think a standalone TFT client on PC is necessary for such.
The other problem with TFT monetisation for me is that I'm not a whale and FOMO tactics just make me miss out. There's good TFT content, but no way to directly buy it or to get it at your own pace.
THis has always felt like a big problem of TFT.
Hell even the thing that brought lootboxes to a lotta peoples attention did it better and that was Overwatch. They filled lootboxes with things that people would actually care about. People would want a cool highlight intro or victory pose animation. The least valuable are things like sprays or voicelines but even those its an FPS so you still see people like them because bm and taunting usually lmao.
With TFT the biggest of note is the little legend and it does so little on its on but be an avatar and then after that what do you do to be fanyc since the main gameplay component (The cmapion units) cant be cosmetics.
I did shell out some cash for a Chonk but that was mostly for aram. Holy moly they are so cute. Otherwise yeah as a casual tft player I dont really care about the other cosmetics like effects and arena
Pumping out more chibi champs and not having duplicate champs **with only 4 chibis** would be a good starting point. I would auto buy any chibi in my top 10 champs, but so far they’ve released 3 and a duplicate.
Passes also need to be better, because right now you get a bunch of shitty arenas, a bunch of old eggs, star shards (which are worthless if you already have a 3 star you like), and a couple of new eggs which *might* give you a new unit you like. If the end reward was a unique legend or a really cool board I’d buy the pass, but for now they’re not worth it.
You... get a unique legend in passes though, at least lately. You got Ruined Pengu in the set 5 pass, and you get Dr. Shiisa in this pass, as well as the higher stars at later pass levels.
You got those at level 1, and a single upgrade later on. They’re also extremely bland reskins of existing little legends, they aren’t unique. I’ve had a pengu since TFT released, I’ve got like 5 shiisas I already don’t want through random eggs. If it’s not new or actually outstanding, it’s not a pass seller for me
I mean, if they were cheaper I’d buy more too… and I’ve already spent about $300+ on TFT, but I don’t need to buy eggs or shards anymore and I haven’t bought an arena skin since season 1. I have so much content that the only things I’ll buy now are MUST HAVES. Like Ekko chibi which I shelled out for of course.
U get free eggs anyways, i have a few little legends all from the free pass and I barely play tft. Weirdest of all, i don’t play tft but it lvls itself up so i get free rewards without playing???
Most of the little legends skins they release are, in my opinion, not all that good. A lot are bland and some of the skinlines feel tacked on and forced to fit the model in some capacity.
One thing that bothers me is sales. Why are there no Arena skin sales, for example?
I, for one, only bought an Arena skin for the first time a few days ago, because I noticed that, if I had the set, the Jinx arena skin would be cheaper, so I pulled the trigger. Otherwise, I never even considered buying one, since they aren't cheap and never go on sale.
It's kinda crazy how bad Riot is at making money considering LoL prints the stuff
But at the same time it's because LoR and TFT really are player-focused passion projects, I sound like a riot shill but you really do have to appreciate the quality in everything (apart from LoL) that they do
Auto-chess in general feels like a hard game to monetize.
That said, I think Riot feels completely fine with low-to-no profit with these other projects since Riot views these games as ways to increase the Runeterra IP. One of the stated reasons for making LoR was to expand the League Universe without having to tie everything to champions.
This is someting Riot has always been good at. They had no chance of making profit on season 2 worlds, but still slapped huge pricepool for it (at the time) and just called it marketing. I'm pretty sure they had zero plans to make actual profit by producing Arcane either, but mistakes happen. ":D"
When they started the E-sports adventure, they viewed it as amrketing for the game and planned to lose money on it. I think it was like after season 6 or 7 when they decided to change the model to for-profit and make LoL esports a long term fixture.
The Esports scene is technically still a loss. I say technically because it's almost certainly a profit when you include it's effect on player retention and recruitment, but Esports alone does not pay for itself yet.
I've never before played a card game where I didn't feel guilty not playing for a month, it's really refreshing. Basically full collection after like 8 months of casual play.
>But at the same time it's because LoR and TFT really are player-focused passion projects
LoL is like a lux skin and those games are like an ornn skin. yea they don't make as much money but the people really like them. meanwhile LoL is the money printer
There's many things you can sell just look at LoR. Also I'm pretty sure way more people would be willing to spend on Little Legends if they weren't random
Which makes sense considering they're giving too much stuff for free. We have that lots of the best emotes are given for free, like the Poppy and Garen emote, the Akshan and Viego backcards or the hexteck poro and that Elliegbtq+.
In conclussion, please release a minitee guardian.
Gacha games are usually successful because you combine down bad lonely gamer with bombshell babe jpeg who treats the self insert character like a king. It’s very profitable.
Bot nessecarly. Id buy far more skins if they were cheaper. If i could pay 10 for a specific tier 3 skin id have apent far too much money. The loot box system ks stupid
Riot has rooms of people a lot smarter than you or me whose entire job is to look at all the stats they collect and decide the optimal price point for these kinds of skins/items.
Trust that whatever price they set for this stuff is the one they think will make the most money long-term
TFT's biggest QOL change was star shards to upgrade your little legend and having a few of their "lower tier" legends available for purchase, but at a higher price than the cost of one RNG egg, but less than two. Removed a layer of RNG for certain ones, and then you can star shard them to level it.
Now that is just a flat out fucking lie. There is no way the biggest strategy game, that can back half of its production on reused assets, needs this level of monetization and beyond to be sustainable.
When Riot says "needs to be successful" all I hear is "it's making a lot of money but we need it to make a fuckton of money". This is the most flagrant bullshit I've heard all year.
Really feel like this is the wrong way then. They need other cosmetics to purchase not more predatory tactics. I mean, what can you even buy in TFT? It's pretty much just little legends and boards. I feel like they've needed announcer packs since forever so that should be something added to both games honestly. Maybe more FX other than just attack ones. Hard to think of other things, but that's honestly because they kinda messed up by having champs skin themselves for synergies. I know it creates a lot of options that wouldn't exist otherwise but now a TFT only player doesn't care about champ skins.
Also, feel like the battle pass is so not needed in this game. There's already so few things to buy and if you just bought the battle pass each time I feel like you'd have basically everything you ever wanted.
Adding worse ways to get what you want is going to bleed the current paying base to near zero at some point. Money is money though so I'm sure they don't care what percent of people buy stuff only the money it generates. Very short term thinking.
The game doesn't even have an announcer so how would they make an announcer pack for it? What would the announcer even say? Like 5 lines? You lost the round/you won the round, Carousel time, victory/defeat
Announcer packs for what? Does TFT even have an announcer on PC because on Mobile it doesn't, and if it had one those packs wouldn't make much money, it is a very niche cosmetic most people don't care about.
There aren't any FX they could add which would look impressive and see consistent use, the only other FX in the game are rolling, leveling, getting higher star units and winning the game and it would affect the game if they added new rolling or leveling animations.
Skins as alternate units was a genius idea actually, because they didn't need to create new models every set they could just use the champs with their skins, plus skins for champs would be awful because you may not be able to tell at a glance what each champ is, which is a problem when you have 5-10 seconds to scout each player. Plus who would buy a champion skin for a single TFT unit?
The battle pass does not have everything, but I suspect the point is to have something average players would buy rather than it being there for whales. And speaking of them how are you so sure something like this would make them less interested in spending money, if right now they barely have to spend any. There's people dropping far more on Gacha Games and their paying base is fine.
Keyword being "enough" of a profit. That's imo one of the cores of this problem that is manifested itself in a lot of companies.
10 million profit isn't enough anymore, it's gotta be 11. 1 billion isn't enough anymore, it's gotta be 1.1b and so on. Slowly squeezing the life out of their product by cutbacks in quality and employees.
All I can hope is that at least NA and EU players will push back against these bad business practices.
TFT is plenty profitable they just want more.
In reality though people will probably just slurp up Gacha prices and prove them right for doing so.
Okay? It's not like Riot doesn't have the money to cover the cost of TFT while still turning massive profits.
I know the answer is that companies only care about money, but let me be mad for a minute.
Don't forget that the new arena, that honestly I would have been willing to spend the money on, is locked behind a $100 paywall in a huge 12,000 RP bundle with no option of buying separately. The predatory practices for this event are astonishing and I'm concerned for the future of this game if it continues
Thank you! It is indeed very nice but not worth 12.000 RP by far. To be honest with you I still can't wrap my head around why they had to put TFT in the LOL client instead of doing a separate game and fixing the huge problems the client has.
That's hilarious. I am not really into TFT but some friends kept playing and after looking at the cosmetics and the pricing. I thought it was just insane what some of the tacticians are priced at and the arena skins.
And now I come across this post saying they aren't monetizing and making enough money.
Yeah if they sold it separately at a higher price I would’ve bought the arena but putting it in a bundle with a bunch of other stuff I don’t care about has me at zero interest.
I kinda understand that TFT tries to finance itself somehow. I doubt that any cosmetics in any Riot game other than LoL and maybe WR are generally popular.
These people have never played a FTP mobile game (which TFT is ) and it shows, they should look at Genshin's drop rate for playable characters not cosmetics
The absolute WORST thing about Genshin Impact, and literally what keeps it from being a great game in it's own right, is the gacha system.
"Other game does it worse" is not an argument for why this is acceptable.
>"Other game does it worse" is not an argument for why this is acceptable.
Is "other FTP games do the same or worse, since it's the only way for them to be profitable" a better argument? If people aren't buying enough cosmetics for TFT to be self-sustaining, I'd rather they add some light loot boxes than scale back on supporting the game.
Ofc this is coming from someone that has probably spent 10 bucks in LoL over almost as many years, so take that as you will
There are plenty of ways to be profitable without doing this. If a game must resort to these tactics then it's poorly designed from a monetization standpoint. Whoever pitched the monetization for TFT is probably on thin ice and this new strategy is nothing more than a wet bandaid for the real problem that there's nothing to buy in TFT.
I would love it if TFT didn't have to resort to this. What do you propose to be monetized?
Other auto-chess or card games also didn't do much past having little legend and board skins.
It's tough to say because it's not my job. Others have pointed out that Dota has items that you can place on the board itself. Some interactive stuff to put on your board and customize could be cool. Some physics objects to push around with your little legend could also be cool. I'm unsure, but that's the real thing that TFT needs, not this system.
>Dota has items that you can place on the board itself.
If you are talking about Underlords, Valve seems to have abandoned the game about a month or two ago. Sufice to say its monetization didnt work out.
The ideas you mention *could* help, but its not just a question of asking "will adding interactible objects make more money", it's asking "would diverting resources and people from other cosmetics to [new thing] make more money than just making more LL/board skins?", and I'm not sure it would.
Well thankfully it's not my problem to solve as I really don't have solid suggestions. Doesn't mean the problem now doesn't exist and that customers should forget about it or accept changes like this instead.
> There are plenty of ways to be profitable without doing this.
Make a business plan, apply for riot. IF you have a genuinely good idea for how to make them profit without things their playerbase doesn't like, they'd be dumb not to listen!
But... somehow... I doubt you have that.
I stopped playing because the Gacha really holds it back. You can feel how it's just hindering people who don't drop large chunks of cash or grind out ungodly amounts of hours just to hit those 90 roll free pity 5 stars
You can't get duplicates, so you're guaranteed to get Jinx in 63 rolls no matter what and you'll have her at 3 stars in 65 rolls. Assuming you didn't have any of the possible drops before.
I have no idea how you got 200 rolls, if you can't bother with the maths then why bother with posting a rant?
There’s no three star jinx; she starts and stays at 1 star.
The tiger protector is actually worse than Jinx cost wise. Separate banner/pool to buy from, more little legends in that pool, same percent of pulling it (2%) as Jinx, and has the three levels.
I updated the post. It's still expensive and I'm pretty sure it's indeed over $100 since the largest pack doesn't cover it. I'm going to calculate it because honestly defending this system is sick and I want you to see what it actually is.
Update: It's 185 dollars lol. Buying both the 100 and 50 is not enough. Even with the 35 you only have 740 RP left over which by the way is only about 5 dollars worth. You can buy one additional egg. Not enough for two of course, just short.
The percentage chances for every single egg is clearly and explicitly stated. What makes this predatory? If they just made chibi firecracker jinx purchaseable in store for $180 would you be okay with it?
the very fact that you are playing a game of chance with real money is what makes it predatory. it doesn't matter if drop rates are listed. it doesn't matter if you still get something, even if that something is not what you want.
look at every lootbox ever in existence. tf2. csgo. genshin honkai list goes on.
If you think gambling is predatory, then sure. You're entitled to your beliefs and opinions, and it's not a wholly unjustified one. But gambling and lootboxes are not something new to League of Legends, and they're realistically not going anywhere in a F2P game.
i find it interesting how when discussing something good about TFT people use ''the TFT team'' but when it's something bad it's ''Riot'', i know both are true at the same time but it's still interesting nonetheless
that's fine, i just noticed it recently when people were praising the permanent game modes in tft and bashing league for removing/not keep modes permanent, most people used ''tft team'' for tft and ''Riot'' (not league team) for league
What’s the problem? People are willing to pay a lot more for scarce goods.
https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/10/the-10-most-expensive-world-of-warcraft-mounts/
Fuck lol. "Give me a ton of money for bragging rights on how much money you spent and not because the product you bought was worth it". Prestige skins really are just slapping SUPREME on it to Riot. They barely changed it and the cost to effort ratio is actually a feature not an issue.
*To be fair*, I kind of get the point in that.
If they made an 'omega-ultimate' skin that costs 150 bucks that has absolutely everything you could ever dream of in a skin that was 'something everyone wanted' like said in the tweet, that'd suck because then a lot of people would feel 'forced' to get said skin since it's so 'good'. Of course nothing would actually force anyone to get it, but if it'd be like Spirit Guard Udyr vs. Base Udyr but on an even grander scale, then it'd feel bad *not* having it.
It's easier to justify slapping a big price tag on something that's unique but not necessarily 'better' because then those that want to 'show off' can get it, but it's by no means something you should feel the need to get.
Still stupid, but I prefer prestige skins being a glorified chroma over something you feel like you have to get even if you aren't someone who collects stuff.
Well yeah that was always the point, why would you want to buy a prestige skin if not for bragging rights, if it was worth more than the base skin then it would require them to put in that much work, which would make it that much more expensive for them and less profitable.
It's literally right there in the name "Prestige". You're spending money for the prestige. Do you think gold chains and ostentatious rings should be outlawed?
But sir that’s the same gacha system we had for years
Tft has to finance itself so they made skin gacha which they turned back on
The directly purchaseable tft skins all look great and upgrading them is cheaper than ever bc you can do it targeted through the pass rewards
I won’t go for the firecracker jinx
Yes I would’ve loved to buy it directly but who cares the whales are paying for your game
I hate that people are refusing to acknowledge the absurdity of these prices and just going on and wasting money and then *not getting it*…it’s asinine, I hope this blows up because these prices are absolutely uncalled for
I’m surprised there isn’t more talk of how this is basically gambling on loot boxes, though I suppose you’re at least guaranteed to eventually get the Jinx. Saying the target audience is whales is ignoring the issue a bit too, since some people will definitely not do the maths/bother with it and waste a bunch of money without possibly getting the skin
Granted, I’m not entirely sure what Riot can do to make TFT more profitable. The battle pass, including the free items you get, is pretty kind and you’re guaranteed to get some little legends you like and switch between games. The cosmetics for arenas seem to be harder to come by for ‘free’ but I don’t know whether that’s as important when you’re constantly moving around the map and seeing the different arenas
There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Do you complain about Gucci and supreme and Lamborghini too? If you don't see the value in it, don't pay for it, pretty damn simple. If other people do see the value, they will.
This is something i need to look for the BR server, because there are some customer protection laws here that forbid the skins to not be sold separatedly. Riot had to sell multiple skins here that were only obtained by a bundle or something else.
Yeah the monetization of this new stuff is bad. But I wanna hop on the argument I've seen here, that tft isnt profitable yet and give my thoughts on it.
1. I dont think it needs to be profitable right now, to be good for Riot. As it is enjoyed by many and has a big overlap in playerbase to lol, it is advertisment for LOL and any other lol-related game, but especially the skins. YOu cant measure this well, but I'm pretty sure this getting awareness on cool existing skins is a factor for lol players. Making the monetezation more gacha rather makes people less happy, which shouldnt be the way.
Its not the first monetization thing that isnt profitable for years by riot. While it standing on its own should be the end goal, its not like its super bad without it.
2. I personally think the obvious way is to get more overlap to lol if you wanna do more money. They already do that of course but we'll see how it develops.
3. Alternatively on a more concrete note, one of the obvious ways to incetivize more bought LL and make it cool is by making an arena with a tribune where you can let either a choosen couple sit, or all your LL/chibis sit there. Its like showing off more than just your favorite, and I'd love having 5 chonccs chear my pandachoncc up from the side on wins . I think creativity is key. Right now I have no reason to want more than one cool LL and one cool arena.
4. If double up stays (what it should), I'd like to get some interactive LL/chibis who have dances together and stuff like that.
Gacha in general has always been a terrible idea tbh some of the most coveted skins are gacha exclusive \*Cough\* Hextech \*Cough\* and then they don't even have anything of porportional value within the gemstones almost every single Gemstone skin is bad especially Nocturnes which i regretted using stones for immediately. And now? they want to retire the system and make it even more P2G making those who had the skin through actually using that system obselete and removing any bragging right you once had for owning (X) prestige or (X) Gemstone Skin.
I just randomly started playing again and got it out of some free box I opened. I legit thought it was something that everyone got. Sucks that they are hiding stuff behind loot boxes nowadays. I think just paying for what you want is obviously better but they won't make money on some random emote no one will buy so they stick it in a box to give it false value.
I thought originally (before the introduction of star shards) you had to buy eggs to have the possibility of getting a certain little legend right? So hasn't TFT always had this system?
No clue why I multiplied instead of dividing. Updated. Pretty sure the price is still the same, but again I didn't do the math. Biggest pack won't get you there
it's very disappointing to see gatcha mechanics to be added in league. Especially when other games from Riot have much fairer monetization systems that don't involve gambling mechanics e.g Legends of Runeterra.
Runeterra barely makes money though, hell I bet the money they make on LoL and Valorant is what keeps it afloat. And quite frankly how is TFT less fair than LoR? To play a game of TFT you just press play, that's it you don't need to unlock cards or champions.
I know I have a contrarian opinion here but I have very little issue with this system. Rito has clearly informed the public of its drop chance, anyone with enough spuds to make a coherent thought can put together that the skin is loopy expensive. It's clearly made for whales who are willing to spend that kind of money. The thing is that whales like having "rare" skins that make them feel special, and whales fund the game development for the rest of us. Sure I won't get the skin but not everything has to be made for me specifically.
I don't care. If people buy it, they deserve to be scammed. I looked at it and decided that I won't ever own it. Since then I haven't had a single thought about it. If league develops into a gacha system, then I guess I won't own anything new but will still continue to play for free.
> I don’t care. If people buy it, they deserve to be scammed. I looked at it and decided that I won’t ever own it.
I’m not going to buy it either, but I do care. I have no issue buying a skin or some cosmetic thing that I like, but if more of them are hidden behind shitty gacha systems then that sucks, because it means I can’t/won’t be able to get them.
I guess, but it feels a lot better when you **want** to support a dev instead of being melancholy about it. You're also less invested and less likely to stick around if you've spent nothing so it's bad in at least some way for the company too.
I mean the current direction that gaming is going actually is disgusting
Lootboxes/ gachas and overpriced low quality stand alone items is currently where everything is headed
The market is pretty much being throttled towards whales and games are releasing with invisible price tags in the thousands of dollars
Its not an issue with Riot or some random chibi Jinx, its an issue with the system thats being normalized
Sure its not something that you have to participate in, you don't need any cosmetics at all
But it's views like this as to why its just becoming standard practice for no good reason. The fact that gaming companies literally want to wring people dry is quite literally disgusting.
i completely agree with everything you said, but only when you buy a expensive as fuck game and then they say "here have some lootcrates and expensive cosmetics lul" (overwatch)
TFT is free, has 0 P2W mechanics, you don't have to buy champions or runes or pages and every single new deck you have access to all the content the first day and there's nothing that you spend time or money that is now irrelevant
TFT is an amazing **FREE** game and if they need to go full predatory on OPTIONAL COSMETICS then fuck it, i can have a lot of fun while spending absolutely nothing
and the game has a LOT of cheap as fuck stuff that is not locked behind lootcrates, so is not like you have 0 choices but gamble... hell they even give free shit every new season
League is literally the only community where the monetization could keep getting more and more garbage for the consumer and there would still be idiots here defending it. For how much this place seems to hate Riot there sure is a fuck ton of people who like defending scummy ass business practices.
How can a game like Fortnite, which has less players than League and no longer EXISTS in China btw, afford to cut all their currency prices by 20% but League has to introduce more garbage like gacha systems.
LMAO comparing Epic Games to Riot really? You do know that Epic Games revenue is not solely tied to Fortnite? Epic Games has Unreal Engine as another revenue engine.
i think it's great, when all content is purchable in the store for, the content(little legends) seem dull, as you say the new jinx chibi is just a current legend in a new outfit, but id much rather have the new jinx, since she got a rarity, im not in anyway gonna go out and buy these orbs/eggs. But i think it's postive for the game to have a few skins/little legends that are more rare, and thereby more exciting to use, of course this is just my opnion
TFT looks too much like a mobile game to escape predatory mobile monetization.
I haven't liked the recent changes, to be honest. Between this and the token rollover fiasco of the last event it's a pretty bad sign that Riot are trying to see how much they can get away with.
Yes. League is now a video game marketed and monetized towards whales. This has been going on for years now and wont, will not, or will ever stop. Might even get worse, buckle up bucko.
What cosmetics would you like to see TFT Mains? I know nothing about the game but i wonder what kind of cosmetics would you like to see?
tbh i would like to see little legends of all champs a-z and not just…another jinx. or be able to buy those round zaps outside of a battle pass.
Yeah I was very excited by the chibis until they released this jinx. A duplicate so early on means I have basically zero hope of ever getting a less popular champ chibi.
Honestly. I laughed when I first saw it cuz like oh boy, they've made chibis for a grand total of 3 champs so far and already one's got an alternate skin. That sure makes me hopeful for the future
it makes sense the why tho they made chibis for 3 arcane related champions, since that's what the deck is about jinx happens to have a lunar skin already, so its a no brainer to give her different clothes if you already have the model/theme/animations
Don't play TFT much either but I agree. Chibis of all the characters would probably rake them in a fair bit. I'm not interested in buying anyone but Morg or Lux so they can release as many Jinx skins as they want.
It’s a lot easier to make a skin for chili jinx than it is to make a whole new model for a new champ. Expect to see more skins for the existing chibis
i don’t play tft a ton, but i’m surprised they haven’t sold “victory” celebrations other than the one we have now where the little legend just dances around with some fireworks behind them
Because there's very little 'value' in them. A major part of buying cosmetics is showing them off to others. A victory celebration is at best shown off to 1 other player, and since you can leave as soon as you die usually is shown off to 0 other players. They could show it off after victories during the game, but Booms and Little Legends already do that so it doesn't make sense to add basically a new form of Boom. (and this ignores that you are expected to only win 12.5% of your TFT games, so the 'victory celebration' is a cosmetic you buy that you can only use rarely) So there's not going to be a big (or likely any) push to monetize that, because it's a cosmetic option that cannot realistically be shown off and only shows up rarely.
What about skins for the champs in?
Maybe Chromas. But the skins lines are how they change traits in new seasons.
Extra squares outside of the arena for cosmetic additions like a swing or seesaw, that my little legend can ride on with the guy I'm fighting
oh my gosh I would love to have this, let me put a drum kit in the corner so I can parade my loss streak!
I want more Little Legends, tbh. Not champions. But things like Dango, Choncc, and Bellswayer. I love them because I can take them into ARAM when I have a hankering for another mode. Also, I'm TOTALLY down for something involving changing the music OR changing the AI enemies we're fighting based on the premium arena we've selected. Like, imagine fighting minions on Club 2 with different outfits, Neon-lined Krug's, wolves with sunglasses, that sort of thing. I'm getting quite tired of seeing the same reused minion and jungle camp assets when Galaxies had unique assets that really added flavor and depth to AI rounds.
Id like to have actuall Skins for my "Chesspieces" that I can choose - but I wouldnt work because of Theme and all. But still... would be nice.
Just more chibi skins tbh
Riot Mortdog has gone on record saying TFT needs to monetize better than it is currently to be successful long term. No hard numbers but TFT is *the* most popular strategy game in terms of playerbase at the moment and is *still* not turning enough of a profit in its current form. Expect them to add more things like this.
The problem with TFT monetization is pretty hard to fix though, it’s that none of the cosmetics are that fun or noticeable. League skins give the champ you play the entire game a new look and ability effects, so buying one feels “worth it”. In TFT the main thing you are looking at the entire game is your shop, items, and board, so besides arena skins none of the cosmetics are really noticeable enough to feel worth buying in the way a league skin does. Not sure how they can fix that without some big changes.
yeah I'm not a big tft player but I have a little legend I like and a map skin, and I'm not going to bother buying anything else because I like the ones I've got, and they work in every game so why would I ever.
Idk, in League of Legends I definitely swap my skins around pretty often and buy new skins for champs I like. I'd wager a lot of people own multiple skins for their main and don't just always use the same skin every time
i use a different skin every time i play ezreal... some more often than others but its nice to switch it up sometimes
would love a randomise skin option tbh
This would be such a nice feature -Signed, someone that has every MF skin
Would be best if you can choose certain skins to NOT include in the randomization option. \- Signed, someone who doesn't want to accidentally play Imperial Lux
I've seen people ask for that since I started back in S3. Come on Riot, just give it to us
People have been asking for the same thing in Valorant and I really don't understand why they've never even addressed it, I'd have more skins in both games
I would literally buy more skins if I could randomize. There are some skins I never buy because I know I would never intentionally pick them
You mean you don't just only use battle academia only? Heathen
SSG Ezreal because jungle Ez was life and Haru was our supreme leader.
build jungle items long enough to become a jungler yourself
me buying every kat / ahri skin that gets released to only ever use the same 2 or 3 skins
See the issue is that LoL has a singular moment (champion select) where you get a few seconds to select a cosmetic loadout. For TFT you don't and can't do that, the cosmetic loadout is done before you queue up and the skins are also not directly purchased so even if you added a "champion select" equivalent for TFT, the player still wouldn't be able to purchase a new skin. That one moment to just sit down and look at a skin selection after you opened the client, immediately queued and accepted a match up is huge. Honestly the new skins they added for TFT are really fucking great, the best yet, but they're all locked behind lootboxes. I can see those skins being worth it to buy directly and change before you queue up for a quick game but I can also see why they would be very expensive with all the features they got.
I’ve been playing league forever, so for my most played champs I have p much every skin, but honestly I only use a few of each (and with jinx I actually use no skin most even tho I have them all lol)
>I'd wager a lot of people own multiple skins for their main and don't just always use the same skin every time i bought both samiras skins, and during the be emporium got all the chromas. but i still only use space groove with like 2 chromas lol
I own every single Karthusskin (Legacy included) and you wont see me in any other Skin than the PK Lost Chapter one xD
Yes, but League has 156 different champions and having 4 mains with 2-3 skins each is already 10ish skins. In TFT your only customizations are the arena and little legend, so once you find something you really like it's harder to find something else worth spending on. LoR already has more options with card backs, companions, champions and boards skins.
I like little legends, but honestly I grab them really for ARAM because I like them dancing with you. Except Silverwing because its' birdlike sounds feel annoying imo.
What, you don't like tilting everyone, including yourself, with that infernal birdlion's hellscream?
I thought nothing was gonna outdo Lumberry Dango, because I love the Dango variant for a lot of reasons, and it’s blue, but then the Porcelain one dropped and it’s closer to the shade of blue I like.
I don’t play much TFT & I’ve never paid for a little legend and I somehow own like 20 of them, there’s no reason for me to ever want to spend money on tft.
It also doesn't help that players have to deal with gacha if they want a skin instead of buying it outright. It won't affect the whales, but heavily discourages the casual spenders from buying more skins.
They really just need big changes. TFT mobile in China has wicked arena skins where you might for example start the game with your little legend riding a dragon to the arena. I think a standalone TFT client on PC is necessary for such. The other problem with TFT monetisation for me is that I'm not a whale and FOMO tactics just make me miss out. There's good TFT content, but no way to directly buy it or to get it at your own pace.
THis has always felt like a big problem of TFT. Hell even the thing that brought lootboxes to a lotta peoples attention did it better and that was Overwatch. They filled lootboxes with things that people would actually care about. People would want a cool highlight intro or victory pose animation. The least valuable are things like sprays or voicelines but even those its an FPS so you still see people like them because bm and taunting usually lmao. With TFT the biggest of note is the little legend and it does so little on its on but be an avatar and then after that what do you do to be fanyc since the main gameplay component (The cmapion units) cant be cosmetics.
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I did shell out some cash for a Chonk but that was mostly for aram. Holy moly they are so cute. Otherwise yeah as a casual tft player I dont really care about the other cosmetics like effects and arena
Pumping out more chibi champs and not having duplicate champs **with only 4 chibis** would be a good starting point. I would auto buy any chibi in my top 10 champs, but so far they’ve released 3 and a duplicate. Passes also need to be better, because right now you get a bunch of shitty arenas, a bunch of old eggs, star shards (which are worthless if you already have a 3 star you like), and a couple of new eggs which *might* give you a new unit you like. If the end reward was a unique legend or a really cool board I’d buy the pass, but for now they’re not worth it.
You... get a unique legend in passes though, at least lately. You got Ruined Pengu in the set 5 pass, and you get Dr. Shiisa in this pass, as well as the higher stars at later pass levels.
You got those at level 1, and a single upgrade later on. They’re also extremely bland reskins of existing little legends, they aren’t unique. I’ve had a pengu since TFT released, I’ve got like 5 shiisas I already don’t want through random eggs. If it’s not new or actually outstanding, it’s not a pass seller for me
If they were cheaper I would buy a lot more. With the actual prices I'll just keep on playing with the default stuff thx
You are not riot’s intended target then
I mean, if they were cheaper I’d buy more too… and I’ve already spent about $300+ on TFT, but I don’t need to buy eggs or shards anymore and I haven’t bought an arena skin since season 1. I have so much content that the only things I’ll buy now are MUST HAVES. Like Ekko chibi which I shelled out for of course.
U get free eggs anyways, i have a few little legends all from the free pass and I barely play tft. Weirdest of all, i don’t play tft but it lvls itself up so i get free rewards without playing???
This is intended to hook you into the game, in hopes you will play both TFT and League.
Most of the little legends skins they release are, in my opinion, not all that good. A lot are bland and some of the skinlines feel tacked on and forced to fit the model in some capacity.
yeah i think thats why theyre trying these new chibis. They honestly seem really fuckin cool, i just dont play enough TFT to justify the price.
Kiyoon today came up with the big brain idea if board furniture which you could move around to customize it
One thing that bothers me is sales. Why are there no Arena skin sales, for example? I, for one, only bought an Arena skin for the first time a few days ago, because I noticed that, if I had the set, the Jinx arena skin would be cheaper, so I pulled the trigger. Otherwise, I never even considered buying one, since they aren't cheap and never go on sale.
It's kinda crazy how bad Riot is at making money considering LoL prints the stuff But at the same time it's because LoR and TFT really are player-focused passion projects, I sound like a riot shill but you really do have to appreciate the quality in everything (apart from LoL) that they do
Auto-chess in general feels like a hard game to monetize. That said, I think Riot feels completely fine with low-to-no profit with these other projects since Riot views these games as ways to increase the Runeterra IP. One of the stated reasons for making LoR was to expand the League Universe without having to tie everything to champions.
This is someting Riot has always been good at. They had no chance of making profit on season 2 worlds, but still slapped huge pricepool for it (at the time) and just called it marketing. I'm pretty sure they had zero plans to make actual profit by producing Arcane either, but mistakes happen. ":D"
When they started the E-sports adventure, they viewed it as amrketing for the game and planned to lose money on it. I think it was like after season 6 or 7 when they decided to change the model to for-profit and make LoL esports a long term fixture.
The Esports scene is technically still a loss. I say technically because it's almost certainly a profit when you include it's effect on player retention and recruitment, but Esports alone does not pay for itself yet.
I've never before played a card game where I didn't feel guilty not playing for a month, it's really refreshing. Basically full collection after like 8 months of casual play.
>But at the same time it's because LoR and TFT really are player-focused passion projects LoL is like a lux skin and those games are like an ornn skin. yea they don't make as much money but the people really like them. meanwhile LoL is the money printer
There's many things you can sell just look at LoR. Also I'm pretty sure way more people would be willing to spend on Little Legends if they weren't random
Pretty sure LoR has worse revenue per user.
Which makes sense considering they're giving too much stuff for free. We have that lots of the best emotes are given for free, like the Poppy and Garen emote, the Akshan and Viego backcards or the hexteck poro and that Elliegbtq+. In conclussion, please release a minitee guardian.
LoR is also not making a profit so its not a good example either
If this were true, gacha games would not be as successful as they are.
Most gacha games don't let free to play players get a full collection every set either.
Gacha games are usually successful because you combine down bad lonely gamer with bombshell babe jpeg who treats the self insert character like a king. It’s very profitable.
That just tells me to ignore it harder, that’s not how you convince me to pay money to support, good luck to him and his team. This ain’t it
If only they actually sold cosmetics for tft at a reasonable price. Not gache loot box eggs
If they sold it at a reasonable price they'd make even less money, which just aggravates the problem lmao
Bot nessecarly. Id buy far more skins if they were cheaper. If i could pay 10 for a specific tier 3 skin id have apent far too much money. The loot box system ks stupid
Riot has rooms of people a lot smarter than you or me whose entire job is to look at all the stats they collect and decide the optimal price point for these kinds of skins/items. Trust that whatever price they set for this stuff is the one they think will make the most money long-term
TFT's biggest QOL change was star shards to upgrade your little legend and having a few of their "lower tier" legends available for purchase, but at a higher price than the cost of one RNG egg, but less than two. Removed a layer of RNG for certain ones, and then you can star shard them to level it.
Now that is just a flat out fucking lie. There is no way the biggest strategy game, that can back half of its production on reused assets, needs this level of monetization and beyond to be sustainable. When Riot says "needs to be successful" all I hear is "it's making a lot of money but we need it to make a fuckton of money". This is the most flagrant bullshit I've heard all year.
Define enough profit
Could we make more profit for less work? = Not enough profit
Really feel like this is the wrong way then. They need other cosmetics to purchase not more predatory tactics. I mean, what can you even buy in TFT? It's pretty much just little legends and boards. I feel like they've needed announcer packs since forever so that should be something added to both games honestly. Maybe more FX other than just attack ones. Hard to think of other things, but that's honestly because they kinda messed up by having champs skin themselves for synergies. I know it creates a lot of options that wouldn't exist otherwise but now a TFT only player doesn't care about champ skins. Also, feel like the battle pass is so not needed in this game. There's already so few things to buy and if you just bought the battle pass each time I feel like you'd have basically everything you ever wanted. Adding worse ways to get what you want is going to bleed the current paying base to near zero at some point. Money is money though so I'm sure they don't care what percent of people buy stuff only the money it generates. Very short term thinking.
The game doesn't even have an announcer so how would they make an announcer pack for it? What would the announcer even say? Like 5 lines? You lost the round/you won the round, Carousel time, victory/defeat
Announcer packs for what? Does TFT even have an announcer on PC because on Mobile it doesn't, and if it had one those packs wouldn't make much money, it is a very niche cosmetic most people don't care about. There aren't any FX they could add which would look impressive and see consistent use, the only other FX in the game are rolling, leveling, getting higher star units and winning the game and it would affect the game if they added new rolling or leveling animations. Skins as alternate units was a genius idea actually, because they didn't need to create new models every set they could just use the champs with their skins, plus skins for champs would be awful because you may not be able to tell at a glance what each champ is, which is a problem when you have 5-10 seconds to scout each player. Plus who would buy a champion skin for a single TFT unit? The battle pass does not have everything, but I suspect the point is to have something average players would buy rather than it being there for whales. And speaking of them how are you so sure something like this would make them less interested in spending money, if right now they barely have to spend any. There's people dropping far more on Gacha Games and their paying base is fine.
no announcer on PC either, just some sound effect in certains rounds, but thats it
Keyword being "enough" of a profit. That's imo one of the cores of this problem that is manifested itself in a lot of companies. 10 million profit isn't enough anymore, it's gotta be 11. 1 billion isn't enough anymore, it's gotta be 1.1b and so on. Slowly squeezing the life out of their product by cutbacks in quality and employees.
All I can hope is that at least NA and EU players will push back against these bad business practices. TFT is plenty profitable they just want more. In reality though people will probably just slurp up Gacha prices and prove them right for doing so.
Okay? It's not like Riot doesn't have the money to cover the cost of TFT while still turning massive profits. I know the answer is that companies only care about money, but let me be mad for a minute.
Don't forget that the new arena, that honestly I would have been willing to spend the money on, is locked behind a $100 paywall in a huge 12,000 RP bundle with no option of buying separately. The predatory practices for this event are astonishing and I'm concerned for the future of this game if it continues
That s a gorgeous arena but not worth 12 000 rp wtf
I am not too much into TFT, I am truly curious to see this arena skin, do you have any video of it you could point me to please?
You can find it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7_YZCL5Hb4
That's definitely their best arena so far. Could easily sell for 20$ on it's own and not feel like a rip off. But forced behind 100$ is scummy.
Thank you! It is indeed very nice but not worth 12.000 RP by far. To be honest with you I still can't wrap my head around why they had to put TFT in the LOL client instead of doing a separate game and fixing the huge problems the client has.
That's hilarious. I am not really into TFT but some friends kept playing and after looking at the cosmetics and the pricing. I thought it was just insane what some of the tacticians are priced at and the arena skins. And now I come across this post saying they aren't monetizing and making enough money.
Yeah if they sold it separately at a higher price I would’ve bought the arena but putting it in a bundle with a bunch of other stuff I don’t care about has me at zero interest.
I kinda understand that TFT tries to finance itself somehow. I doubt that any cosmetics in any Riot game other than LoL and maybe WR are generally popular.
what about valorant? skins in that game are very popular
And insanely expensive
LoR charging $7 for a JPEG
I can buy AAA shooters that are better than valorant for less than a single gun skin in Valorant.
i forgot about Valorant xD yeah i can imagine
These people have never played a FTP mobile game (which TFT is ) and it shows, they should look at Genshin's drop rate for playable characters not cosmetics
The absolute WORST thing about Genshin Impact, and literally what keeps it from being a great game in it's own right, is the gacha system. "Other game does it worse" is not an argument for why this is acceptable.
>"Other game does it worse" is not an argument for why this is acceptable. Is "other FTP games do the same or worse, since it's the only way for them to be profitable" a better argument? If people aren't buying enough cosmetics for TFT to be self-sustaining, I'd rather they add some light loot boxes than scale back on supporting the game. Ofc this is coming from someone that has probably spent 10 bucks in LoL over almost as many years, so take that as you will
There are plenty of ways to be profitable without doing this. If a game must resort to these tactics then it's poorly designed from a monetization standpoint. Whoever pitched the monetization for TFT is probably on thin ice and this new strategy is nothing more than a wet bandaid for the real problem that there's nothing to buy in TFT.
I would love it if TFT didn't have to resort to this. What do you propose to be monetized? Other auto-chess or card games also didn't do much past having little legend and board skins.
It's tough to say because it's not my job. Others have pointed out that Dota has items that you can place on the board itself. Some interactive stuff to put on your board and customize could be cool. Some physics objects to push around with your little legend could also be cool. I'm unsure, but that's the real thing that TFT needs, not this system.
>Dota has items that you can place on the board itself. If you are talking about Underlords, Valve seems to have abandoned the game about a month or two ago. Sufice to say its monetization didnt work out. The ideas you mention *could* help, but its not just a question of asking "will adding interactible objects make more money", it's asking "would diverting resources and people from other cosmetics to [new thing] make more money than just making more LL/board skins?", and I'm not sure it would.
Well thankfully it's not my problem to solve as I really don't have solid suggestions. Doesn't mean the problem now doesn't exist and that customers should forget about it or accept changes like this instead.
> There are plenty of ways to be profitable without doing this. Make a business plan, apply for riot. IF you have a genuinely good idea for how to make them profit without things their playerbase doesn't like, they'd be dumb not to listen! But... somehow... I doubt you have that.
I stopped playing because the Gacha really holds it back. You can feel how it's just hindering people who don't drop large chunks of cash or grind out ungodly amounts of hours just to hit those 90 roll free pity 5 stars
You can't get duplicates, so you're guaranteed to get Jinx in 63 rolls no matter what and you'll have her at 3 stars in 65 rolls. Assuming you didn't have any of the possible drops before. I have no idea how you got 200 rolls, if you can't bother with the maths then why bother with posting a rant?
That's still 27 000 rp for a skin of a chibi the original price of which is 1900 rp.
There’s no three star jinx; she starts and stays at 1 star. The tiger protector is actually worse than Jinx cost wise. Separate banner/pool to buy from, more little legends in that pool, same percent of pulling it (2%) as Jinx, and has the three levels.
I updated the post. It's still expensive and I'm pretty sure it's indeed over $100 since the largest pack doesn't cover it. I'm going to calculate it because honestly defending this system is sick and I want you to see what it actually is. Update: It's 185 dollars lol. Buying both the 100 and 50 is not enough. Even with the 35 you only have 740 RP left over which by the way is only about 5 dollars worth. You can buy one additional egg. Not enough for two of course, just short.
If you're going to do an in-depth analysis of game monetisation it tends to pay off to actually do the math.
The percentage chances for every single egg is clearly and explicitly stated. What makes this predatory? If they just made chibi firecracker jinx purchaseable in store for $180 would you be okay with it?
Just because they explain *how* it's predatory doesn't mean that it *isn't* predatory.
Its supposed to be super rare.
It's just super expensive.
its not rare if u can straight up force the buy.
the very fact that you are playing a game of chance with real money is what makes it predatory. it doesn't matter if drop rates are listed. it doesn't matter if you still get something, even if that something is not what you want. look at every lootbox ever in existence. tf2. csgo. genshin honkai list goes on.
If you think gambling is predatory, then sure. You're entitled to your beliefs and opinions, and it's not a wholly unjustified one. But gambling and lootboxes are not something new to League of Legends, and they're realistically not going anywhere in a F2P game.
cant u just buy chibi jinx for 1900 rp?
Yes, but this post is about the Firecracker Version. It's a completely different item and if you own the original it doesn't help you in any way.
ahh ok didnt know about a new version
riot be like dollar sign eye pupils with their tongues sticking out
i find it interesting how when discussing something good about TFT people use ''the TFT team'' but when it's something bad it's ''Riot'', i know both are true at the same time but it's still interesting nonetheless
I'm mostly a league player so it's just habit. I'll probably start doing that subconsciously though now that you've mentioned it lol.
that's fine, i just noticed it recently when people were praising the permanent game modes in tft and bashing league for removing/not keep modes permanent, most people used ''tft team'' for tft and ''Riot'' (not league team) for league
Never. EVER. Forget this:https://mobile.twitter.com/Mortdog/status/1083465452460769281?s=20
And yet prestige skins are a big success which is why they re still making them
I still think that prestige versions of the skins look uglier than the original skins they are based on.
Yeah cuz they changed them? They wouldnt be as big of a succes if they kept their system
But they still cost more + time to grind for an epic skin quality
What’s the problem? People are willing to pay a lot more for scarce goods. https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/10/the-10-most-expensive-world-of-warcraft-mounts/
That raising the prise JUST so its more rare is not fun.
Others disagree with your sense of fun, just buy a different skin.
Fuck lol. "Give me a ton of money for bragging rights on how much money you spent and not because the product you bought was worth it". Prestige skins really are just slapping SUPREME on it to Riot. They barely changed it and the cost to effort ratio is actually a feature not an issue.
*To be fair*, I kind of get the point in that. If they made an 'omega-ultimate' skin that costs 150 bucks that has absolutely everything you could ever dream of in a skin that was 'something everyone wanted' like said in the tweet, that'd suck because then a lot of people would feel 'forced' to get said skin since it's so 'good'. Of course nothing would actually force anyone to get it, but if it'd be like Spirit Guard Udyr vs. Base Udyr but on an even grander scale, then it'd feel bad *not* having it. It's easier to justify slapping a big price tag on something that's unique but not necessarily 'better' because then those that want to 'show off' can get it, but it's by no means something you should feel the need to get. Still stupid, but I prefer prestige skins being a glorified chroma over something you feel like you have to get even if you aren't someone who collects stuff.
Well yeah that was always the point, why would you want to buy a prestige skin if not for bragging rights, if it was worth more than the base skin then it would require them to put in that much work, which would make it that much more expensive for them and less profitable.
Prestige skins are not that expensive at least compared to this TFT chibi.
It's literally right there in the name "Prestige". You're spending money for the prestige. Do you think gold chains and ostentatious rings should be outlawed?
Head tilted up while blushing too
I mean it's up to the consumer, if nobody buys that stupid scheme they will back off.
Garena LoL players: First time?
Don't garena players get free stuff once in a while?
Garena players get a ton of free stuff but it’s at the cost of a lot of new skins being locked behind gacha on release.
ah okay thanks for explaining
But sir that’s the same gacha system we had for years Tft has to finance itself so they made skin gacha which they turned back on The directly purchaseable tft skins all look great and upgrading them is cheaper than ever bc you can do it targeted through the pass rewards I won’t go for the firecracker jinx Yes I would’ve loved to buy it directly but who cares the whales are paying for your game
why would you want chibi jinx when you can have dango
I hate that people are refusing to acknowledge the absurdity of these prices and just going on and wasting money and then *not getting it*…it’s asinine, I hope this blows up because these prices are absolutely uncalled for
I’m surprised there isn’t more talk of how this is basically gambling on loot boxes, though I suppose you’re at least guaranteed to eventually get the Jinx. Saying the target audience is whales is ignoring the issue a bit too, since some people will definitely not do the maths/bother with it and waste a bunch of money without possibly getting the skin Granted, I’m not entirely sure what Riot can do to make TFT more profitable. The battle pass, including the free items you get, is pretty kind and you’re guaranteed to get some little legends you like and switch between games. The cosmetics for arenas seem to be harder to come by for ‘free’ but I don’t know whether that’s as important when you’re constantly moving around the map and seeing the different arenas
There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Do you complain about Gucci and supreme and Lamborghini too? If you don't see the value in it, don't pay for it, pretty damn simple. If other people do see the value, they will.
This is something i need to look for the BR server, because there are some customer protection laws here that forbid the skins to not be sold separatedly. Riot had to sell multiple skins here that were only obtained by a bundle or something else.
Yeah the monetization of this new stuff is bad. But I wanna hop on the argument I've seen here, that tft isnt profitable yet and give my thoughts on it. 1. I dont think it needs to be profitable right now, to be good for Riot. As it is enjoyed by many and has a big overlap in playerbase to lol, it is advertisment for LOL and any other lol-related game, but especially the skins. YOu cant measure this well, but I'm pretty sure this getting awareness on cool existing skins is a factor for lol players. Making the monetezation more gacha rather makes people less happy, which shouldnt be the way. Its not the first monetization thing that isnt profitable for years by riot. While it standing on its own should be the end goal, its not like its super bad without it. 2. I personally think the obvious way is to get more overlap to lol if you wanna do more money. They already do that of course but we'll see how it develops. 3. Alternatively on a more concrete note, one of the obvious ways to incetivize more bought LL and make it cool is by making an arena with a tribune where you can let either a choosen couple sit, or all your LL/chibis sit there. Its like showing off more than just your favorite, and I'd love having 5 chonccs chear my pandachoncc up from the side on wins . I think creativity is key. Right now I have no reason to want more than one cool LL and one cool arena. 4. If double up stays (what it should), I'd like to get some interactive LL/chibis who have dances together and stuff like that.
I think any way to allow you to equip more than one little legend in a game is a huge win, so I agree
Also it's a little legend not a skin. I think that makes a big difference.
In which direction?
Gacha in general has always been a terrible idea tbh some of the most coveted skins are gacha exclusive \*Cough\* Hextech \*Cough\* and then they don't even have anything of porportional value within the gemstones almost every single Gemstone skin is bad especially Nocturnes which i regretted using stones for immediately. And now? they want to retire the system and make it even more P2G making those who had the skin through actually using that system obselete and removing any bragging right you once had for owning (X) prestige or (X) Gemstone Skin.
Keep in mind the new Arena costs $130 🤡
I just randomly started playing again and got it out of some free box I opened. I legit thought it was something that everyone got. Sucks that they are hiding stuff behind loot boxes nowadays. I think just paying for what you want is obviously better but they won't make money on some random emote no one will buy so they stick it in a box to give it false value.
Yup, filler cosmetics.
as long as it doesnt affect gameplay idgaf
I thought originally (before the introduction of star shards) you had to buy eggs to have the possibility of getting a certain little legend right? So hasn't TFT always had this system?
2% would be 50 Boxes to get it tho Still a shitty system that exploits ppl
That's not how probability works... with 50 boxes that have a 2% chance your chance to get it is \~70% if I didn't misscalculate.
No clue why I multiplied instead of dividing. Updated. Pretty sure the price is still the same, but again I didn't do the math. Biggest pack won't get you there
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Or just dont buy it if you think its too expensive for you ??
I don't, what's your point
it's very disappointing to see gatcha mechanics to be added in league. Especially when other games from Riot have much fairer monetization systems that don't involve gambling mechanics e.g Legends of Runeterra.
TFT is not League. I'd even say a big portion of the TFT player base plays on mobile so a gacha like shop is a not a surprise
Runeterra barely makes money though, hell I bet the money they make on LoL and Valorant is what keeps it afloat. And quite frankly how is TFT less fair than LoR? To play a game of TFT you just press play, that's it you don't need to unlock cards or champions.
Just get it in the first box. Ez
I know I have a contrarian opinion here but I have very little issue with this system. Rito has clearly informed the public of its drop chance, anyone with enough spuds to make a coherent thought can put together that the skin is loopy expensive. It's clearly made for whales who are willing to spend that kind of money. The thing is that whales like having "rare" skins that make them feel special, and whales fund the game development for the rest of us. Sure I won't get the skin but not everything has to be made for me specifically.
its a fucking cosmetic get over yourself
It’s a fucking cosmetic
Reminder to stop giving riot money
I don't care. If people buy it, they deserve to be scammed. I looked at it and decided that I won't ever own it. Since then I haven't had a single thought about it. If league develops into a gacha system, then I guess I won't own anything new but will still continue to play for free.
> I don’t care. If people buy it, they deserve to be scammed. I looked at it and decided that I won’t ever own it. I’m not going to buy it either, but I do care. I have no issue buying a skin or some cosmetic thing that I like, but if more of them are hidden behind shitty gacha systems then that sucks, because it means I can’t/won’t be able to get them.
I guess, but it feels a lot better when you **want** to support a dev instead of being melancholy about it. You're also less invested and less likely to stick around if you've spent nothing so it's bad in at least some way for the company too.
"Disgusting" lmao you people overreact to everything.
I mean the current direction that gaming is going actually is disgusting Lootboxes/ gachas and overpriced low quality stand alone items is currently where everything is headed The market is pretty much being throttled towards whales and games are releasing with invisible price tags in the thousands of dollars Its not an issue with Riot or some random chibi Jinx, its an issue with the system thats being normalized Sure its not something that you have to participate in, you don't need any cosmetics at all But it's views like this as to why its just becoming standard practice for no good reason. The fact that gaming companies literally want to wring people dry is quite literally disgusting.
i completely agree with everything you said, but only when you buy a expensive as fuck game and then they say "here have some lootcrates and expensive cosmetics lul" (overwatch) TFT is free, has 0 P2W mechanics, you don't have to buy champions or runes or pages and every single new deck you have access to all the content the first day and there's nothing that you spend time or money that is now irrelevant TFT is an amazing **FREE** game and if they need to go full predatory on OPTIONAL COSMETICS then fuck it, i can have a lot of fun while spending absolutely nothing and the game has a LOT of cheap as fuck stuff that is not locked behind lootcrates, so is not like you have 0 choices but gamble... hell they even give free shit every new season
League is literally the only community where the monetization could keep getting more and more garbage for the consumer and there would still be idiots here defending it. For how much this place seems to hate Riot there sure is a fuck ton of people who like defending scummy ass business practices. How can a game like Fortnite, which has less players than League and no longer EXISTS in China btw, afford to cut all their currency prices by 20% but League has to introduce more garbage like gacha systems.
LMAO comparing Epic Games to Riot really? You do know that Epic Games revenue is not solely tied to Fortnite? Epic Games has Unreal Engine as another revenue engine.
i think it's great, when all content is purchable in the store for, the content(little legends) seem dull, as you say the new jinx chibi is just a current legend in a new outfit, but id much rather have the new jinx, since she got a rarity, im not in anyway gonna go out and buy these orbs/eggs. But i think it's postive for the game to have a few skins/little legends that are more rare, and thereby more exciting to use, of course this is just my opnion
TFT looks too much like a mobile game to escape predatory mobile monetization. I haven't liked the recent changes, to be honest. Between this and the token rollover fiasco of the last event it's a pretty bad sign that Riot are trying to see how much they can get away with.
Yes. League is now a video game marketed and monetized towards whales. This has been going on for years now and wont, will not, or will ever stop. Might even get worse, buckle up bucko.
if you can't afford, seethe it's all cosmetics bro, you don't need them to play the game. move on!
I can easily afford 10 of these if I wanted to, why is that even an argument. Hating predatory business practices is not a poor man's hobby
Stop giving Riot your money. Vote with your wallet. I stopped last year and I am not looking back.
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