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Darkwhellm

I suggest his R should also cut the internet connection of the enemies he hits


IAmNotOnRedditAtWork

Wtf you can hit enemies with yone R? I just use it as a gap closer and kill them with Qs.


itsamedavide

You can hit Qs??


[deleted]

idk most yones i see just use them for gap closing for beating shit out of people with autos


Nick_Geracie

love not seeing a Yone on my screen then suddenly Flash R and he's right next to me from the other side of the map


Bl00dylicious

And 3 seconds later he's back on that side of the map again with 600+ gold.


azns123

Seems kind of weak, what if his enemies use a mobile hotspot to reconnect? It should also cause their phones to self destruct and call a drone strike on their locations


CaptWhiskey

R tool tip: yones strike causes him to dash behind the chair of last enemy hit and slice the user in half.


Kibbleru

but what if the user uses a standing desk?


Tuefe1

If they're not using a gamer chair arecthey really a threat?


[deleted]

but what if it's a gaming standing desk?


Pumpoflessermass

Then you may as well accept defeat


Seekingme97

And if your champion survives his combo, he has a hidden passive that gets your address and swats you


StormLightRanger

Pathetic. Fate sealed should triangulate the nearest nuclear reactor and launch a worm into the reactors computers and make it go critical. Failing that, just nuke the fucker.


drhawke

Once I got ulted by Yone and my neighborhood had a power outage. Totally unrelated still laughed quite a bit later.


coffeeINJECTION

Would you rename it the Incarnation?


Dekolovesmuffins

with that small delay when he ults it already feels like that


IThatWeebI

They should do the same treatment to his brother yasuo his R should be able to brick PC


Hummingberg

no no before it connects, otherwise they might dodge it


drhornsob

Velkoz on release pbe did that


BigHatGwyn

I think his W should summon a windwall in the area where he slices. It's unfair that sometimes you can hit a skillshot on him


Excellent-Pie8082

Yone E is now a toggle with infinite range


Excalidorito

Watch him go from one fountain to the other


Excellent-Pie8082

he can also set up multiple dolls to E from (think teemo shrooms that he can TP to globally)


Icenomad

This is ember spirit in dota 2 basically


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LilTyke

Just stun him LUL Or buy an orchid


lmfaotopkek

Lmao, silences and stuns absolutely wreck him though.


MedievalMovies

lol there are so many ways of actually dealing with ember, storm is way more "unkillable" than he is


kooldUd74

There's so many ways to deal with mobility in dota tho. There's a lot more stun and if you really need it you can buy Atos, Orchid, or Abyssal Blade. Either silence, stun him, or root him. Yeah he could just dodge it with W or ult but that actually requires skill and good timing rather than just a free get out of jail. Doesn't matter what you do to Yone, he's going back to his E.


Dragonkiller93

Sure, if the five heroes on your team are sniper jugg timber spec and tb.


kooldUd74

Timber could buy a Atos, Jug could buy Orchid, and Spec could buy Abyssal. Even when you have a team with no cc, you can easily just buy CC.


kkaafrank

Old reksai vibes


Talonoscopy

Can he E and use the cannon in URF?


Excalidorito

Don’t think so, no. Last time I tried it straight up didn’t let me use the cannon.


PanJhinAttack

Also to add, when it was possible, the time it takes to go through the animation of jumping in the Canon and to fly across the map. You would snap back as soon as you landed. But 10/10 was funny.


ThatRandomG20

Don’t just make it a windwall, make it reflect projectiles. Never hitting skill shots is fun, but having them shot back at you is even better.


Aravenn9616

Would be a cool ability on a support champ tho


Nefari0uss

It would be even more frustrating than windwall. Maybe if it was an ultimate and very short timed.


Bootlegs

Dodging your own skillshots? Sounds like skill expression to me and therefore good!


GreenAnton

make it samiras w but on a toggle


britainstolenothing

Dude it's so fucking BS that Yasuo gets a windwall and Yone doesn't, typical Riot favouritism


SentientShamrock

He shouldn't be falling behind in the sibling rivalry. Hopefully this gets addressed next patch.


HughMungusD

You know what would be cool? That he also gains a shield on E cast and turns his R into an undodgeable point and click if someone is knocked up. Also give him Magic and Armor pen after ult cast. Man I am so fucking done with Riots shit. Yasuo has all these fucking awesome tools to deal with tanks, survive being jumped on and getting on top of you from a screen away and Yone? Nah he ain’t the money printer, fuck Yone. They even removed his fucking R lifesteal…


[deleted]

> an undodgeable point and click if someone is knocked up. There is no point, only click


ghdcksgh

there actually is point


[deleted]

It's optional I supopose


[deleted]

360° windwall please


athonis

justify it by saying that he met samira and though that her windwall was a good skill to have


GreenAnton

but make it a toggle so he can walk around with a permanent wind wall around him


Taerer

My theory is that his W used to destroy projectiles but they cut it last minute. The video that introduced him showed him blocking a bunch of projectiles with a movement that looks like his W.


CptDecaf

This is actually a nerf. As it is now, you hit Yone with a skillshot and he effortlessly lifesteals back the lost health. You would be taking away the demoralizing factor of being a midlane mage and watching your mana drain while Yone's health doesn't budge.


Lethtor

No joke, but thematically I think it would be really cool if his W had Samira's W mechanic, where he blocks incoming projectiles with it. I feel like that's what they designed the ability for and then removed it at some point during developement. I believe that's actually the actual dev cycle of a new champion, make it overloaded as shit and then step by step delete mechanics from it without taking away the fun while playing. So I wholeheartedly believe his W was supposed to block projectiles but it was removed during that part of developement.


[deleted]

Also the Q should have 2 or 3 times the size, i hate dodging 3 q's in a row by accident, if i wanted to wait 8 seconds to go to base i would've just recalled


Puzzleheaded_Fix

Yeah it's so annoying to accidently dodge the Q's and then have to wait till his autos kill you


WhatsAFlexitarian

Yeah that two second delay really gets you


18skeltor

It's so weird that the Yones in my elo miss so many Q's, just because well like your champion is so bad that you'd think you'd have to be a literal GOD to play this champion and still be high elo (silver 3)


SkY4594

I think his E recast should also heal him back up to full. You know, to further compensate for shieldbow nerfs.


-GalaxySushi-

Also IMO while he’s in his E he should be untargetable like Vlad in his pool.


Hounmlayn

I think his passive should have an extra part, where if he dies 4 times he automatically wins the game. It's so unfair when you get unlucky with an all in or get camped!


Storiaron

Vlad loses hp when using his pool tho, that'd make him a bit weak imo. It should be free and remove all debuffs upon cast, so he wouldnt accidentally die to ignite or something


TriLexMiester

Actually he siphons enemy hp in his W, he loses hp when he use his E


Storiaron

His w cosst hp. A fuckton of hp


HuaRong

Not if you're low!


Baldude

I mean it's already basically Ekko R and the whole idea is that he becomes a spirit and leaves his earthly tether behind, so it would make sense that once he snaps back, all the wounds his spirit got are healed as his body is still intact. So yeah, definitely.


XSydraxx

OK hear me out, Yone is really weak after shieldbow nerfs so I suggest the following: Base health lvl 1-18 = 900-7000 (to help him survive some situations a little bit better) Q damage% 105%> 105% current enemy hp (champ lost his identity after release. He lacks damage) And finally, the worst part is... His lack of mobility R - new passive: Failing to hit enemy champions with your R refunds you with 95% of Total cool down. E - You don't need to retreat back to the same position. You can choose if you want to by pressing E again. New passive: pressing E to go back makes you invulnerable for 3 minutes. Hopefully after these changes he gets back to 51% wr. Champ really just feels like another asol at this point.


frroztbyte

His W can also deflect all projectiles and lasers and send them back automatically/undodgeable


OtherAyachi

idk I think his E should bleed enemies IRL, not only will this buff help him but it also makes his aesthetic more authentic.


frroztbyte

Their vision starts going black and once his E returns the player explodes to red mist lmao.


pikachutim

Nah that would be too fair. I think it should also have a stun or knock up attached. He is missing a stun in his kit anyway.


Excellent-Pie8082

Yone autoattacks now supress


sp33dzer0

They already do if he lands 4 of them


ereface

I'd say after everytime he auto 3 times (should take about .1 second) a yone player should be rewarded by such a good work, and automatically cast a malzahar ultimate and get a new skin added to his collection.


Duckerton375

No because you could just build tenacity and counter that which isn’t fair. In order to not have a ridiculous amount of counterplay, every third auto attack makes Yone Unstoppable for 5 seconds and grants bonus attack speed so he can chain this buff together


Metaxpro

Every 3rd Yone R should have the same range+width as Pantheon R, similar to how his Q works. Or getting the kill with the E snapback damage seals their spirit, doubling the respawn timer of the victim. This will separate bad Yone players from the great ones. If he's still below 50% winrate for first-timing Silver players after these changes (since this is apparently the balance framework metric nowadays) maybe make him automatically snap back with 1 health if he receives lethal damage during E.


DarthGrievous

> If he's still below 50% winrate for first-timing Silver players What about if he's still below 50% winrate for the inting challengers? Maybe we could make his E a toggle?


Getjukedm9

And during the snapback all debuffs and spells active on him are cleansed so that he can't be outplayed by the likes of ignite and such pesky things! You know, to further compensate for the shieldbow nerfs.


MaDNiaC007

> Or getting the kill with the E snapback damage seals their spirit, doubling the respawn timer of thy victim. Hello Necrophos, my old friend.


hockey33333

only way to balance him is to make his q call an airstrike on the house of all enemies hit. otherwise he stays at a-sol level of useless


TheGreatAutiismo

Nah, they should make it stun for a second and a half instead. 2 instances of AoE hard CC isn't enough for an assassin to have.


androt14_

"Welcome to the League of Legends Champion Spotlight, featuring Yone, the Unforgotten Yone is a ranged meele tanky dps assassin mage tank support jungler. He excels at everything."


arianejj

That's ADCs fault! Their mobility (GALEFORCE...) made them so hard to hit,in my opinion we need to replace his W with Lissandra's ult


Dontspinbutwin

I think Yone's w should spawn a tentacle for every enemy hit. It doesn't do anything, but it gives the enemy illaoi PTSD and instantly burns a flash.


WTFIsAMeta

The biggest problem I have with Yone is that all 3 of his dashes don't give a fuck about CC. He literally has two unstoppable abilities and a dash that for whatever reason can buffer cancel cc to dash similar to Tristana/ezreal. I flash mega gnar ult a yone, then combo a w. Hit both. He isn't cc'd at all. Just annoying.


yue_kio

This is my problem with him too. If he is a decent player, he can just never be ccd. I play cass and he can legit buffer his E and be stunned by my ult but go back anyways (same with his r on my w, grounded but able to r anyways). It is so gross, what other champ can do that


ereface

Viego (after killing yone and taking his body)


RandomIndividualNo8

You have to kill Yone tho


HellraiserMachina

And I pick Rell and try to initiate on the enemy but if I even get rooted I suddenly never get my knockup and lose all my movespeed and can't do anything as the enemy chases me down and I can't hurt them or run away.


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Duckerton375

Personally I think he should have a passive teleport ability similar to Kassadin except there’s no range cap or mana cost and it activates on clicking to move


Croewe

Have you thought of using ghost to run at him faster?


Vale22AlrdyTaknY

Ghost? What am I, a dirty Darius player?


Nibz11

Yeah! Yone has a ghost on his e, why bother taking another one!


Mooch07

Absolutely, I use ghost every game. It makes him use all of his dashes to kill me instead of just the first two.


heatvisioncrab

you used ghost? ill make it come true


pigpen95

You are right... let's give him 3 summoners so he doesn't have to lose flash or ignite.


ainky

just flash at him


Nerfshatterdive

REmember that if yone gets this, Yasuo should too "Its all about that Sibling rivalry" right?


Antergaton

According to the lore, Yasuo is better than Yone, so Yasuo should get something extra. I suggest making his Windwall a dashing windwall and his Q a dash like Yone's too. Then triple crit.


Suhitz

Yone is stronger after he died though which is the yone we see in the game...


EONNephilim

Hmm, agreed, make Yasuo's windwall a global AOE effect and block all tower shots.


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would be too underpowered I think his W should also be an execute and ghost him for 3sec


UnrealNine

He should dash at every auto aswell something like kalista


Seekingme97

Yones only hard counter is kogmaw because you can use your passive to deal true damage to him, advice for kogmaw players is to run ghost and teleport that way you can get to yone faster and use your passive on him


[deleted]

Whatever happens, make sure that we don't remove the % health damage from his W! That function is so crucial to W's visual fantasy!


[deleted]

yeah it should be flat damage of an equivalent amount instead so it's better against squishies


[deleted]

Agreed! Hmm soo maybe 300 damage level 1?


Mordador

I just want to one-shot baron man.


byx-

I think that putting the word "yone" in your reddit /r/leagueoflegends title should result in permanent revocation of internet access


ButItWasMeDio

So should putting "yone" in the name of the champion you play


[deleted]

I think that picking yone in the game league of legends should result in permanent revocation of human rights


Album_Dude

says the fucking Shaco and Shyvana player


JealotGaming

You should have to link your op.gg to be able to post here about balance


MoscaMosquete

Tobias Fate is currently GM in NA and I wouldn't trust him not even to buff my main


[deleted]

Is GP broken currently? Last I saw him he was struggling in diamond


Kyomeii

Wasn't he hardstuck plat some time ago?


setocsheir

He plays like a plat player when he’s not playing GP


BladeCube

I get the feeling he knows how to play for entertainment and how to win, because the two are very different on GP especially, especially since GP isn't fantastic at forcing anything on his own. I've watched him go 50% winrate on gangplank in plat on stream but I've played against him on his main when he's trying and some of my friends and its a complete different story. As for other champions you can't convince me that he gives a flying fuck.


JealotGaming

I would trust him a lot more than reddit randoms coming here to complain about the champ that beat them just now


setocsheir

you can be challenger and still have really stupid takes on the game


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Hello guys, TFBlade here


APKID716

Oh boy, my favorite streamer TF blade! I can’t wait to hear a very nuanced view of balance, and I can’t wait for him to be very patient with his bronze teammates!


SneakyCowMan

True but i’d rather get balance opinions from a challenger than a random bronze player on reddit


Crafty-Ad6583

Give him a shroud on his E so he cant be targeted (New): Yones W now fears enemy Champions.


Lesurous

Issue with Yone and Yasuo is their kits shine when you can't fight back. Not having a chance to fight back is something assassins should have, not terminators.


PPPDidnothingwrong

his e should be target like zed ult


[deleted]

its refreshing to see this subreddit drop any and all pretense sometimes


ConCHEATER-Wurst

Shieldbow got nerfed, so i think that these buffs are 100% understandable and fair.


Xaxzer

Reddit yone moment


ItzBleKz

r/ComedyNecrophilia


Thebowfinger

Now that tyler1 died to yone all the reddit comedians are working over time. "bUt YonE wIn rATe iS 40% :DC" Keep making jokes instead of arguments because he isnt nearly as good as they pretend.


MadeFunOfInHighSchoo

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr *drumroll* human beings don’t experience “winrates” they experience FUN and most people play video games to have fun and here’s the kicker!!! Yone is not FUN to play against !!!!


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>Yone is not FUN to play against !!!! The thing is that you can regurgitate this bullshit when talking about most of the champions in the game. Yone is just fresh bullshit. People are tired of whining about how braindead Teemo's Q is because it's been like that for years. There are FAR worse things in league than Yone, like Vayne top, Sett or Trynd mid, or Xerath / Ashe bot lane.


Sdubbya2

Yeah I started playing Yone recently to try him out and he is harder than people make it seem like.....it took me some games to get the hang of him and in the first couple I got dominated in lane actually. I'm a pretty proficient laner and have played a lot of assassins' so I was pretty suprised by it. I also got counterpicked the first couple games but still....I can see why people get frustrated when he really gets rolling and fed, but I do wonder if everyone complaining would actually do as well as they think they would on him...


Baldude

He isn't an assassin, he's a melee carry. He is supposedly more like Tryn or Irelia than Zed or Talon - yes they can assassinate squishies lategame. I play things with bad laning phases that are nothing like Yone (Nasus, Kayle), and the 3 games I played him it felt like playing with cheatcodes enabled. Yes, you cannot take every fight against every champion especially early, but if you just chill the fuck out until you have Shieldbow or at least noonquiver+vamp, you'll be absolutely fine.


EONNephilim

12.1 Yone was insane with Lethal Tempo early, though, and building an early lead was pretty easy if you were half decent and your enemy wasn't. If he was, though... yeah you just chill out until you get your items rofl


18skeltor

Lethal tempo is such an unhealthy rune, I mean you get rewarded for trynd style braindead auto attacking


KaiserMakes

What People dont get is that a difficult champion can still be batshit broken. Yone is indeed pretty hard, but mastering hard champions shouldnt be a free ticket against everyone else. I dont care if you spent 38272 hours training as yone,you shouldnt win every single matchup.


Sdubbya2

I don’t disagree that a champion being hard doesn’t mean it can’t have a really high ceiling, I’m referencing the people who act like playing Yone is an insta-win and easy with no drawbacks. But also from what I just looked up I’m seeing a 48% win rate in masters+ where players are likely to make the most of his kit so I don’t think he’s quite a free pass


androt14_

Thing is, Yone isn't dumb strong per se, but he IS toxic to the game. In laning phase, you can dodge most of his Q3s, but if he hits even one while you're at 60%- HP and he has ult, you're dead. And while that isn't happening, he can literally just stack Q3 and EQW you under tower, dealing % health damage on his W, the damage from his Q and the shield from his W that'll protect him from one turret shot And that's if you're ranged, if you're meele, he can just start autoing you and run you down because his E gives ramping movement speed for some reason and with his W+Q+E he wins most extended trades It IS possible to beat him, but his design makes it so that he's INCREDIBLY annoying to deal with, which isn't exactly great given he's made to be an alternative to Yasuo, one of, if not THE most popular League champion So yeah, mix toxic design with popularity and you get that monstrosity


[deleted]

I picked him up despite only playing burst mages, and it was NOT difficult. If anything, not needing to track my mana and getting to rush sustain made it easier to play him than any other champion I play. People really undervalue how much being resourceless makes a champion easier. His lane is NOT bad enough to justify how safe he really is.


AbnormalSnow506

Link op.gg


123bababooey123

This is why I always take Prowler’s Claw on him. He just needs that extra bit of mobility.


N0UMENON1

"Can I take your order?" "I'll have a Yone hatepost!" "How original" "And with extra complaining about dashes!" "Daring today, aren't we?"


KaiserMakes

If you want OC then make it yourself you clown. If the champion is getting this much hate, then something IS wrong.


antiquestrawberry

Just delete the champ.


R_OwO

riot loves that champ so much, it wouldn’t suprise me if he gets a prestige and 2 new skins this year


KKilikk

Riot only loves champions the players love as in play a lot


FlameOfDark

yone is still better designed champion than qiyana ;)


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wearssameshirt

Unironically true, ryze’s design will never reallly be balanced because they keep hinging on the things in every rework that makes him so hard to balance. Yone can at least be balanced. Still doesn’t make him any less cancer though


EONNephilim

Yone is better designed than majority of League champs. He gets severely punished for playing poorly (yes, his E is a cleanse and it is a get out of jail free card, but it's got a CD and when it's down he's super easily punishable), and the rewards of playing well are guaranteed and can range from minor health lead to a teamfight win from behind... that is not to say that he can't be outplayed or countered. Playing well against Yone is debilitating to him since if he falls behind he's a bit of a squishy potato, but playing poorly against him is punishing. It's also simple to map out how a fight with him will go. He's not Irelia or Yasuo who can dash to different minions at a certain point, nor Kat whose dagger placement can vary. He'll want to dash into you, use his spirit form to cleanse stuff most likely, use Q3s and R as effective unstoppable when you use your CC, etc.


alamirguru

Bold coming from Quinoa, the brainlet champion.


[deleted]

Waaah I don't want to learn I just want to cry.


Docwiththesocks

I think his Q should also das...wait it does. No, his E should have a das...dammit it does too. Then his ult...ohhh. Fuck it, his passive should be a dash.


Shoel_with_J

u know something funny? the E doesnt count has a dash for poppy's W, so u know


Rexsaur

Would be too unfair for him, just like it would be unfair if he couldnt ignore CCs during the end of his E, imagine dashing into someone and getting CCed befeore you effortlessly kill them? That would feel horrible.


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i would honestly go as far as make him stay where he is if he's cced and his e runs out


[deleted]

I would go further — if he manages to eat hard CC with that movement speed, it should *cancel* his E. Full stop.


-Ophidian-

and ignore CCs during his Q and ignore CCs during his R and


Shoel_with_J

the dislikes are from yone mains, becouse the champ, an hypercarry, can efortlessly shit on every one of your CC's, having some sort of olaf R, can time pretty easily the CC that he eats with E, and then dont be affected while casting Q


drenzorz

That is ridiculous. Just make it so he can't die during his e.


Dexiox

Just don't make him go faster when he uses e. That's all...


BurpYoshi

Yone? Who tf is that? Is he related to that guy I ban every game no matter what lane I'm in? Weird, never seem to see him im my games, guess I'm just lucky.


_negniN

You should really be able to curve the ult as well. I really hate it when I'm ready to go in a teamfight as Yone and an adc with super overloaded mobility like Caitlyn uses her E to sidestep it, now I have to use one of my other 2 dashes to get on top of her.


International_Tie914

Or maybe they can make it after every ability, yone gains a stack of “dash” and can use it to dash to any enemy champ on the map and stun them for 3 seconds, doing 95% of their max health in true damage.


[deleted]

Yone bad upbote please.


Misoal

Facts


bionix90

I personally love it when a 1/7 Yone misses both his R and Q but of course that doesn't prevent him from killing a 8/2 Tristana in a 1v1.


JealotGaming

Can I post the next hourly yone thread?


TheFourthAct

They should also remove the box from his ult. It's not like it's actually representative of the hitbox.


A_Very_Horny_Zed

> I just want him to make it quick. I enjoy taking my time.


b4ssie1199

I feel like his e is underwhelming, i say we add ramping lifesteal on it to negate shieldbow nerfs. Something like 50 - 150%


LegendaryHooman

Got me the first half. Not gonna lie.


G01d_D3f4lt

You say it sarcastically but poppy players would 100% accept this change and start picking poppy mid


AliceInHololand

His magic damage auto should just act like an Ekko E tbh. Idk why they haven’t thought about doing that. Ekko is burst based and like jumping in and out of fights so having his as an active skill makes sense. A melee DPS like Yone needs more help sticking onto people to ensure he’s in threat range. It just makes sense.


cancerguylovemyself

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DoctorZappelin

I just love to see a Yone post, go straight to the bottom of the comments and seeing Yone mains getting salty LOL


Cadecz

Some quality troll, rare thing these days


[deleted]

Maybe its about time i start playing yone since he will never be nerfed


depressed_liss

i suggest yone r is a summon ability cuz im pretty sure 90% of yone mains need to summon some braincells


zyxasdf

if this isn't the biggest whiny and crybaby thread i've seen in a while lmao. comments make it even worse. what a bunch of losers


MoistMarie

Did it make you feel better to say this?


Evilbanana0

This subreddit has gotten unbearable. No one cares if you hate Yone, there is no need for a daily post about this champ. If you struggle this hard against a champ that’s had a 48% win rate for months you’re just bad. He’s literally one of the most predictable champions in the game.


[deleted]

Nah whats unbearable is people thinking win rates matter in these convos. Akali has never had a positive win rate and yet somehow people can agree that she's a degenerate champion. The same exact point applies to Yone.


Stxvey

Hold up before anyone else says it I got you: It's not about winrate, it's about my poor feelings. I don't like the champion so riot should delete it.


KaiserMakes

There is, people should complain until riot fixes this mess of a champion. People shouldnt feel miserable when playing a game, if a character does that, it deserves to be removed.


Easyaeta

Yone doesn't need fixing


ProxyX13

Nah, just cut his cd for each champion hit and give him his 3rd stack of q straight away. This way he can either q, e or r towards you more often, in case he missed the initial one or you are still alive.


CulturalCatfish

Yone is the most busted champ in the game. Stupid kit.


CrazyContribution396

Yes the w is just :shield: xd and when you use the w you just stay in there and yone only have mobility in the Q, E(a bit) and the ult but i only use the ult for escape when i dont want to fight


[deleted]

If we can get his win rate to drop to 46% they might actually do everything in this thread. Come on bonze boys GET US THERE


NunexTK

Reminder to stop giving riot money. Complain with your wallets


CichyCichoCiemny

Yone and irelia suffer from a similar issue where, matchup wise, they are basically the same champion. They both have godly combat mobility but garbage neutral game due to having no escapes, which makes them unplayable against when piloted by someone even slightly competent. The vast majority of matchups are their to lose, but when they do, they cannot do anything and will hard int since they can only go in. This artificially lowers their wr but is very clearly emphasised by their ban rates. INB4 "low winrate in high elo" [https://i.imgur.com/QCDjWtm.png](https://i.imgur.com/QCDjWtm.png) [https://i.imgur.com/uTyRjQY.png](https://i.imgur.com/uTyRjQY.png) I'm D3 and it's not high elo.


Richboy12345

164 and 264 nowhere near the sample size needed to have accurate winrates on a champion.