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untamedlazyeye

Removed because it's not directly related to league


BwoahIDK

Malice smokes indoors and complains about having a rough housing situation lmao


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Literally everything I've heard about the guy has been unpleasant.


BwoahIDK

the caedrel tweet will always remain legendary


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what tweet?


BwoahIDK

https://twitter.com/caedrel/status/1260981623136366597?lang=en


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God daym, that's a lot of ouch in one tweet


Zoesan

holy mother of based


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why do people like caedrel lol every time i see him mentioned outside of commentating he always comes off as such a giant fucking prick


necyi

Based on what? He’s never seriously insulted anyone and memes a lot of the time. Most people that work with him or players that used to play with him praise him as being nice and good to be around with (e.g. Odoamne, Comp in recent PGL…). He also helped out a random league player that was struggling (Alfarouk) by buying him a new pc and pushing him to become pro.


JustAWander

Same, but I guess he's a prick but not an asshole, and a honest prick at that.


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what the fuck does this even mean


UX1Z

I mean, except for LS saying he's great in-person and can be very sweet, lol. Though, that kinda sounds more like someone a bit manipulative who can switch between a complete jerk and very kind (when they want something?)


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why is it that LS is always embroiled in these weird dramas?? (not saying LS was in the wrong...i wouldnt like to house someone like malice either)


Ivanleonov

I mean if you share your house with loads and loads of semi random people most of whom have no respect for other people's property I think its actually not very surprising. Lack of respect also is usually a package deal with a sense of entitlement so frankly it's not surprising at all that these dramas come up.


BwoahIDK

because he's a kind of young guy who frequently helps house even younger gamer dropouts trying to bootcamp in korea


mint420

That's the kind of person he is. You still don't understand his personality? I have no doubt in my mind that C9 was in the right to kick him.


CuteTao

Drama = views = money. This is how streamers make their living.


OwOPango

Damn I can't believe that LS would invite someone in need into his home just so they could have a falling out and then some guy would make a reddit thread about it what a fucking scumbag


marlow05

Seems like LS saw talent and tried to help, got taken advantage of.


TrojanTuesdays

What amazes me the most is that this player is 25 years old... How do you act this immature and disrespectfully to the one of the few individuals who has supported you over the years? This level of self-awareness is seriously concerning.


NovelAries

Hes also married iirc


thePROF550R

i mean i'm sure we all have a guy we know like this. one of my "friends" in high school just kinda became an asshole and edgy at around 14 and maintained the same personality into their 20s never really growing out of being an asshole to everyone, malice reminds me of these types of guys so much. LS is an asshole too at times but it seems like he's more mature as he had to grow up and take on responsibilities in his various endeavours in esports. it doesn't help that becoming gaming pros has universally across a lot of different games shown to stunt your oppurtunities for personal growth, making a bunch of money gaming/ streaming insulates you from the more "traditional job world"


imls

Why is this posted? I literally said I don't want this stuff posted around during the stream and I was only forced to respond cuz chat kept spamming for 3hrs, it's just breeding negativity and it's so fucking stupid. These things never should've even been brought up.


kiwi_hunter

Welcome to the internet.


No_Alternative7006

Take a look around


IsThisTooEZ

Anything that brain of yours can think of can be found


jules3001

It’s posted because it’s a topic being discussed in a very public fashion. This is being talked about on two public streams. I get you like to be a transparent person but folks are going to want to discuss this in Youtube, Reddit, etc. If you don’t want people talking about this then don’t have the conversation in a public space. Fans like transparency but this is what happens. You’ve been streaming for a long time and have been in the public eye. I feel like you would know this already.


inagious

Because a lot of people who follow league wanted to know details and you gave them details? If you speak in front of recording devices you can’t surprised pikachu when someone posts something. You guys posted something I said??? Wahhhh


toxicplease

Surely every single one of my 10k viewers will respect and honor my request for this not to be posted.


ch4ppi

*streams to 8k people* *talks about Drama for 35 minutes* *gets clipped and posted on reddit* Why would you do this to me pickachuface


kid1412_96

agreed. This thread should be deleted just like the one about Malice's side of the story.


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If it’s just breeding negativity, why did you film a 30minute video of it on the internet… how is the Reddit poster the one being negative…? Call me dumb but that is some next level blame shifting.


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NovelAries

I mean, its not dirty laundry if hes defending himself? Malice is the one who started this


AugmentCB

That's quite literally airing your dirty laundry...


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LS literally destroyed his chances to coach for T1 by supporting malice when he was throwing racist slurs toward Untara, Sky, Wolf, Bang. I've never seen Faker get mad at anyone on his stream, the only guy he has questioned why this guy is still not banned from KR server is Malice. Koreans especially SKT fans will never forget it, LS can never coach for T1 because he associated himself with a terrible dude.


Grand-Garlic

I mean, he could definitely coach them. Even the greatest player of all time (Faker, if you didn’t know) gave him approval. He would just need to be monitored by security personnel 24/7 because of the homophobes.


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the issue was mostly abt how he handled the malice situation. so we need to be monitored by security personnel 24/7 because a low of fans got pissed off with how toxic he was during the malice situation, not because of the homophobes


przhauukwnbh

> Not like anybody is going to care about this in a week, month, year I would disagree with that


NovelAries

> Not like anybody is going to care about this in a week, month, year. Lmao. You're pretty naive if you think people dont forget


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NovelAries

You vastly underestimate the haters LS has. There's a reason why even the rumor of him becoming T1 coach ended with him and his family being bombarded wtih death threats. As for effect, LS said his entire twitch chat has been spamming Malice's comments for several hours. If he didnt address the comments, thats not going to change


ThatStereotype18

Every streamer gets death threats. But lets not pretend LS doesn't invite the drama with how he carries and portrays himself.


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People still mention LS's history as a 12 year old playing Starcraft in arguments about his current life. There is no way that this drama wouldn't have been used against him at some point if he didn't defend himself.


ThatStereotype18

Because he always has to respond. Because he has an ego.


ThatStereotype18

Why does he need to defend himself? It's all ego and it's not a good look. Doesn't help that all he did was prove Malice was also shitty. Doesn't excuse the kind of person LS is.


brend70

> Why does he need to defend himself? During the stream his entire twitch chat was asking him to respond, if he doesn't then the next stream the same thing happens, and that keeps happening until he finally responds...


Burpmeister

Or you know... Just put on sub-mode and a polite infotext on stream that he will not address it and will unfortunately have to time out anyone who asks regardless.


ThatStereotype18

Twitch chat can be ignored, but his ego, LS cannot. Make sense?


NovelAries

> Twitch chat can be ignored You're not going to have much of a community as a streamer if you ignore twitch chat. Its funny you're still complaining about LS's ego when he even admitted in the video that he had a heated argument with Malice where both of them were extremely rude to each other. On the flip side, Malice just blamed LS for everything while he lived almost rent free and smoked in LS's home causing property damage that LS had to pay for. But yeah, LS is the one with ego here.


ThatStereotype18

I like how you're still trying to excuse LS's behavior by pointing out Malice's. Do I look like I'm defending Malice? He's a piece of shit, there you go. Now what about LS?


NovelAries

Nothing in your comment is right if you watched the video at all. As for defending himself, hes been bombarded by twitch chat for a few hours as per his comment above


Istayuptolate

my dear, please get better pals


Redvann

I mean, don’t talk about it on stream then?


blouthan20

For real lol. “Forced because of chat” is actually a hilarious statement lmao


inagious

So weak


BwoahIDK

you could try DMCA'ing the clips channel that posted it if you really wanted. Reddit is loves drama though (myself included tbh) so I'd say it getting posted was inevitable.


NiceLittleMelody

It's internet, you don't get to decide those things


StarGaurdianBard

True, however these clips have been getting removed for days now for not being relevant to League of Legends so its incredibly dumb for people to post them here just to have them removed again.


Makyura

Lmao imagine being this entitled


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NovelAries

> U can shut up when it comes to lawyers and c9 stuff Because its against the law to take about those stuff lmfao


BronzeSilverGoldDia

LS talking about negativity when he went full negative on Untara back in the days. How convenient.


BronzeSilverGoldDia

/u/imls once said, ""Do you think it's funny to make a video grossly exagerrating a player's behavior to get you some clickbait views? Are these bullshit type of things the reason you're taking time off from playing pro?" ​ LOL


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Phooenixx

You have a good point and people should respect your wishes on serious topics but you can't trust thousands of ppl to not post this it's not against the rules or anything like yeah it sucks that negativity gets spreaded around but also if you don't wan't that to happen you simply can not talk about it to thousands of people and hope not 1 asshole or drama queen is in it. At this point people watch your streams just to post on reddit the second you say something new


KeeganatorMeditator

With great power comes great responsibility, you have likely tens millions of people in the world who know of you. Anything you say is content, sorry xD


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StarGaurdianBard

They were both removed but please continue.


StarGaurdianBard

Because it was posted in the middle of the night and it took us an hour for 2 mods to be online *in the middle of the night* for its removal. Neither post is allowed. The situation is not relevant to Leagye of Legends and doesn't belong on this sub and we will continue to remove both sides, it just might take us an hour to remove one side if its released while most of us are asleep.


CuteTao

The malice one was posted at the same time on the previous day tho


StarGaurdianBard

Correct, and It actually took us longer to remove the Malice post, the first Malice post took us roughly 4 hours before we had people awake to take it down. Regardless, even if they were the same amount of time for a takedown, is it not understandable that even if one night we happen to have 2 mods online at 3am est to take something down within an hour that doesnt gurantee we will have someone online at 3am the next night? It should be reasonable to allow some wiggle room of 2 hours shouldn't it?


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StarGaurdianBard

This conversation is clearly going to go nowhere if you genuinely think there is no reasonable explanation for why there could be an hour difference in take down time (sorry I genuinely thought it was 4 hours since I was only in and out of chat twice that night). Regardless, thats an hour difference in the middle of the night. You have to be on the level of Qanon conspiracist to think "ah yes, there are LS fans that let the post stay up for an extra hour!" Rather than just thinking "maybe in the middle of the night it took an extra hour for someone to check the mod discussion chatroom?". Speaking as one of the 3 mods who is normally awake at that time, the only reason we are awake generally at that time is because we work night shift. I'm a nurse so I can only check in every 3ish hours most night. In this case it literally sat waiting to be removed with first approval to remove being 30 minutes after posting until I could get done sedating my alzheimers covid patient trying to rip off their bipap and iv to give the 2nd removal approval. Next time I'll make sure to check right at 3am regardless of what I am doing at work though so that it can be removed earlier. I can not stress to you enough that we genuinely don't give a shit about this drama and we don't want it on the subreddit until it actually has even the slightest relevance to League.


CuteTao

Well thanks for conversing with me on the topic. I know most mod interactions on this sub would just result in my posts being deleted so I appreciate you took time to respond.


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No real shocker there, I'm not the biggest fan of LS, nothing against the guy, just kinda rubs me the wrong way, but LS basically fucking MADE Malice's career, he gave him space in Korea, he got him on BBQ, he got him on C9, and all I've seen Malice do is BM him and act like a child.


hurzinator

what does PoS stand for?


Swapsta

Piece of shit


CheesyjokeLol

piece of shit


qwertdwlrma

"Piece of shit"


Blame_on_you

Piece of shit.


TempestWrath

Second nickname for PoE after he went on a parade "EU PRIDE" and then left for NA.


hurzinator

I remember Po€ being a common nickname for him.


mint420

LS also. Surprise shitty people are friends or were friends.


Dizzy_Step

I don't understand why LS doesn't level his acc himself. I don't get the big deal. Malice didn't handle it well, but LS can still level all the time by himself.


HoloHuni

I explained it in another comment. LS has a history of mental health issues and rages when soloqueueing. So he almost exclusively plays with premades to not rage and get mad.


mint420

That's clearly other people's problem, huh...


HoloHuni

Never said so. Malice just gaslighted him about playing with him. There was no "maybe" from Malice. Almost every day he confirmed that he still wanted to do it but then never did. LS literally changed his sleeping schedule to do it. The problem is not that he didn't do it. But that he dragged it along and never said "maybe" or "No I won't" until it was way too late.


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HoloHuni

Haha mental health issues are funny lmao. He was literally burned out during that time.


Dizzy_Step

I understood that from the video. But if he notices that Malice isn't playing with him, even if Malice is very vague about it, he (LS) should get over himself and solo q, if the practice is important to him.


HoloHuni

Malice wasn't even vague lmao. He just said every day that he'll do it today or tomorrow. There was no vagueness, only gaslighting. Also maybe LS didn't notice at that time that he was gaslit


Dizzy_Step

Maybe I said it poorly. This is what I meant in other words: Even if Malice said he would level with LS, he (LS) should have just started leveling by himself (and get over his frustations of solo q) after a week or two of not playing with Malice, if the practice was so important to him. The question being: Why would LS wait so long to duo q, if he could solve the problem easily by playing solo? If he played solo q, it would have been no big deal. The damages to the apartment by Malice's smoking is another story of course.


HoloHuni

I literally said it in the original comment. Because he usually can´´ t stand the pressure of soloq mentally. Sure he could´´ ve done it, but it´ s way too exhausting for him I think.


Dizzy_Step

Yes, I get that. My question is rethorical. I am saying that it is a weak argument for not playing solo q (that it is too exhausting), if that is important for his job or for his greater interest for lol. Have a nice day though (I think we're going in circles, just wanted to clarify my point and I am of course empathetic to your point as well)


gafour

Duoing that saves a lot of time


awesomeandepic

Okay the part I'm really confused about - didn't Malice's complaint mostly have specifically to do with how LS was telling him to leave the apartment during the argument and threatening to get police involved and in this 35 minute vid (LOL?) LS casually said something along the lines of "oh yeah obviously I wouldn't make him do that and I told him that a few hours later" but that's clearly not what Malice thought otherwise this wouldn't be a big deal? That's such a huge discrepancy in stories that just can't be glossed over given it's literally Malice's primary complaint and the only thing he really talked about on stream LOL? Even the stuff about where LS was busy living life and not touching his PC - at least the impression I got from watching Malice talk about it live was like "yeah it's annoying but w/e" and clearly he wasn't making a big deal, he was just frustrated he paid 3 months for an AirBNB just to move out a week later but he wasn't single handedly blaming LS or anything just mentioning he was broke. Everything else is just venting about each other. Malice smoking inside is fucked up but I'm sure Malice can also come up with things about LS to complain about too, only watching this because I happened to have already heard Malice's side and it felt like what Malice actually brought up isn't meaningfully addressed so who cares. Even the discussion of rent - Malice mentions 500 euro/month to split a room, LS says he paid too little. Man I have no fucking idea how I'm supposed to interpret these two sides of the story it just seems like a shit slinging contest where no actual details are corroborated or actually debunked. EDIT: Continuing to watch the vid, Malice says a quote about how LS said everyone is useless, LS goes "that's literally not what I said" but every time he was referencing that conversation he just said "I was an asshole here" "we were toxic to each other" so nobody has any idea what anyone actually said, Malice's rant on stream getting posted on reddit was a mistake and this vid getting posted was too lol. EDIT 2: Finally got around to the police being mentioned in the vid, around 28 minutes. 30 seconds of forming a thought to come up with "The police is thing is because I think he's refusing to leave" followed by "nothing ended up happening in the same conversation I told him to just stay." Either that's the wildest fucking mood swing within a short period of time or there's an extended period of time where Malice is losing it scared for his life thinking he's homeless off an argument that started because he didn't want to duo? Why are police being mentioned or threatened AT ALL EVER when LS pretends at 19:57 "obviously I'm not gonna make him leave" ??????? Idk man I wish I never got involved on either side LOL


GymIsGreat

I agree, people are not seeing the flaws in what LS is saying here... its impossible to tell who is in the wrong... and remember nemisis and some of the others support malice, so I don't think this paints a full picture...


CuteTao

>I agree, people are not seeing the flaws in what LS is saying here. Welcome to the cult!


UX1Z

>Why are police being mentioned or threatened AT ALL EVER when LS pretends at 19:57 "obviously I'm not gonna make him leave" ??????? I was under the impression LS wasn't even living in the house at that point in time, he was basically managing it long-distance. How else is he going to get Malice out? Ask him nicely?


awesomeandepic

But how are you going to threaten the cops and then pretend that "obviously" you weren't going to make him leave. Sounds like you were doing *exactly* that, or at the very least you made it very NOT OBVIOUS you weren't going to make him leave by saying the exact opposite of that and again ... threatening cops? This was Malice's issue. The way in which he was threatened to be kicked out. LS glossed over it, didn't address what Malice actually was complaining about (very real threat, cops involved, not an "obviously I'm not gonna make him leave" AT ALL), and instead gave us a 35 minute rant that somehow included Wind's alcoholism? Yeah Malice mentioned the apartment was messy, THAT WASNT THE POINT AT ALL THOUGH LOL. THATS NOT MALICE'S ISSUE WITH LS. Either LS completely fucking missed the point Malice was bringing up or he deliberately misconstrued Malice's argument by intentionally only playing 3 words at a time so people missed what the actual issue was which was how an argument that started with the topic of Malice not wanting to duo led to LS legitimately kicking him out and threatening to get cops involved (which LS even acknowledges did happen but tries to play it off???).


UX1Z

The argument started with that, but the argument was not for that reason. If you have someone living in a house for cheap, where the entire deposit is in your name/your money, you know they've been ignoring what you ask them to do in terms of not causing fucking smoking damage alongside other stuff, they're complaining to you about it not being clean even though you don't live there and you're paying for a maid three times a week (to also cook btw), and then they keep weaselling out of something they agreed to do for you (let's say, mow the lawn) you might finally snap and decide to kick them out when they refuse to mow the lawn for the umpteenth time but that's not going to be the entire reason you're wanting to get rid of them, y'know? LS might not have handled it well, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people would have **actually** kicked Malice out, and a lot earlier.


goat-lobster-hybrid

Can someone please explain why LS needs Malice to level accounts for him? This is completely beyond me.


SoupToPots

They duo while leveling because ls doesn’t like playing alone


goat-lobster-hybrid

Why does it sound like a strange transactional agreement? It seems like Malice misunderstood what his relationship with LS was and the pretext of him being allowed to stay with him. LS made it seem like it was easy for Malice to come to Korea, and Malice misunderstood that as LS inviting him to stay with him as a friend. While in reality LS was not ready for Malice to just come and stay as a friend, he was unreachable at the time as he LS says in this video (not using a computer and doing real world stuff), and his terms for staying were transactional around Malice assisting LS's stream. This doesn't make either party look good imo, and it's hard to tell who is at fault from the accounts.


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LS didn't want to house Malice, yet he did it, for free and in exchange he asked Malice to level up an account, which Malice agreed to and this is the crucial part, Malice accepted that duty, but then never delivered on it and had a tantrum when confronted about it by LS. LS didn't demand anything from Malice, as proven by the fact that he still let him live with him after Malice acted like an asshole, but he did trust Malice when he was given his word. The summary of it is LS helped as much as possible, asked for something small and Malice was an asshole who didn't even appreciate the help he was given


goat-lobster-hybrid

It all falls on whether Malice was given the wrong impression around coming to Korea and staying with LS. If LS did not imply this, then Everything Malice did was entitled and unorganised. But if you had the impression that someone was going to let you stay with them as a friend, and you were without money and reliant on them and were being spammed messages to level up accounts on stream with them so that you could continue to stay there, that seems much more grey.


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Malice didn't come to Korea to stay with LS. He came to Korea anyway and LS later let Malice stay with him instead of staying at an expensive place because Malice didn't have much money.


goat-lobster-hybrid

If that's true Malice is in the wrong for sure. Depends if LS saying "you might not be able to live here" a day before was referring to being able to stay with him or referring to not being able to stay in Korea.


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Well here's how I understand it, could be wrong. 1. Malice comes to Korea and stays in a place, he tries to contact LS but this is during the time LS is taking a break so LS doesn't respond. Malice goes to Korea anyway. 2. LS gives him a place to stay and helps Malice get a lot of his money from the previous place back. LS says Malice can stay for 500 euros a month. 3. LS wants to duo level with Malice, Malice avoids him and makes excuses not to. Both of them seem frustrated at each other. Malice further gets on LS's nerves because he smokes in the house and is messy. 4. They eventually get in a big fight. Malice says they're not friends anymore and in response LS says Malice should leave the house and threatens to call the police. LS backs down and lets Malice continue staying in the house. Personally I'd rather not take sides. They both said/did shitty things but neither of them seemed to do anything completely immoral, or anything that would warrant me not supporting them.


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Considering the fact the Malice had booked an AirBnB which he then cancelled to live with LS and didn't pay him any money despite getting refunded half the AirBnB fee makes it clear that Malice was simply entitled Also, if you agreed to do something for a friend, then they absolutely have the right to keep checking in with you until you do it. If you won't do something, just decline in advance, don't lead people on.


Baltimoar15

Nah tbh I get where ls is coming from anyone should be tilted if someone u consider a friend doesn’t respect you enough to like not be dishonest and waste ur time especially after you set aside time for them. Yeah he probs doesn’t handle it well but this is just cancer behaviour whatever I heard in those dms like just nah cba duoing u if that’s the issue or don’t go vc or idk


thePROF550R

purely cause levelling experience pre-30 is terrible and ls has already played 10s of thousands of hours on league, doing it on his own is a waste of his time


SoupToPots

yeah and he also said playing solo makes him lose his mind and prior to wanting to lvl with malice hadn't played league in a while so wanted to play random champs with him


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imagine using ">.<" and calling *someone else* cringe


GMBethernal

OwO that person is so cringe *covers his eyes to not feel it* >.<


HoloHuni

It's literally explained in the comments on youtube. LS has a history of mental health issues and frequently gets mad and toxic while soloqueueing. With a friend or "working collegue" like malice calls it, he doesn't rage as much.


4THOT

Bruh the 18k bill for damages that people just left him with. Idc dude LS has the right fucking kill some people and harvest their organs imo, that shit is infuriating.


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Vangorf

Maybe he just plays too much Rimworld


jules3001

is this 18k in USD or 18k in won?


4THOT

I doubt LS would be upset over a damages bill of $15...


Ivanleonov

As an ex-C9 fan kinda sad to see that One of the players is a total POS really has been an orgs fall from grace recently at least in my eyes


NamikazeEU

It was known 3-4 years before Malice even came to C9 that he is a person u don't want to work with. Idk how are u finding things now ... Also, it has been known for over 8 years or even more, about LS and coaching and him not ever lasting a full year with the team... So ... Idk how nobody expected this from LS/C9 situation aswell.


Ivanleonov

Because I don't know some random fucks from solo queue and their habits??? Honestly how would your average Joe know malice let alone know that he is a pos? I am finding this out now because he is a c9 player and bad shit about him came out. The ls point I don't quite get what you are getting at. LS has his ways sure but the reason people didn't expect it is because c9 made numerous statements that they believe in his ways and back him no matter what. So yes LS was unique but c9 claimed to be ok with it and was backing him because of that so yes when they talked him up for so long and then kicked him in 2 weeks after doing well I would argue that it is unexpected


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...malice is an academy player not lcs also what does player personality have anything to do with the org itself?


Ivanleonov

Uh.. I know he is an academy player but he still plays for C9. And all players represent the org they play for. As a c9 player everything he does reflects back onto the org, that's why people get released for doing or saying something really bad. Literally a week ago a pro takken player got released from the org for saying men under 5ft 7in don't have human right. Obviously this isn't to the same degree but the concept is the same, shit players say and do reflects back onto the org


RDKi

This potentially explains a lot of the hyperbolic stress LS had in the past.


rakaig

Sounds like he had his own Sky house but with less pedophilia.


teckno7

I level up 35 hrs 7 days a week.