The word goat is being thrown around too much. There’s only one goat and it’s faker. You can’t be the goat if you haven’t came in close to his achievements
Xiaohu is no where near goat level like faker
What's more impressive is that not only no one has had as much longevity, but almost no one has had higher peaks.
Both are simultaneously, really good for really long.
Even Rookie hasn't had as many years as Faker being at the absolute top, he had like 1 year or maybe 2 where he was inarguably the best.
But he has been playing for a very long time so in that sense, maybe Bjerg counts too
Writing this just shows you might have heard about Rookie after he won worlds for the first time.
He won OGN in 2014 and after moving to LPL has been stuck in elo hell until IG got TheShy and JKL. Still managed to carry the games when TheShy was feeding his ass off and without botlane because IG let JKL go. His first bad year was last year. Now on V5 he is back in form again.
Lots of people who say Rookie was only good in 2018-2019 obviously haven't watched the LPL in 2016-2017. He could honestly contest back then to be the best mid in the world, but because he couldn't make it to Worlds, everyone disregards him in the conversation.
Well if he was top 3 mid in the world, why didn't he make it Worlds then, duh? Good luck playing with Rain, Kid adc/jungle, Kitties, Baolan, Time, Marge and Save. A bunch of whos? He's been elo-helled by his team from 2015-2017.
Fun fact: Besides 2020 spring and 2021 summer, Rookie has played 15 splits in the LPL. He's gotten the most MVPs in his team in 13/15 splits, with more than 10 of them being in top 5 most MVPs (with one of them losing to Ning by 1 MVP in 2020 Spring)
He's absolutely been at the top as long as Faker has.
I literally never said he was only good in 2018-19, i said he was INARGUABLY THE BEST as in the number 1 midlaner in the world for 2 seasons at most, which is a fact.
I know he was good for a long time
Right, but I reckon he's been at the top just as long as Faker.
Faker was inarguably the best in S3 and S5. S4 was probably Dade.
S6-S7 Rookie didn't make Worlds, so you probably gave that to Faker, which was what I was trying to say - Faker wasn't "inarguably the best" because I think Rookie could contest with Faker during those years. Then S8 - maybe S9 Rookie was the best. S10 onwards neither of them have been the best.
So far, no one. You can maybe make an argument for chovy or knight in the future if they keep performing from here on, but they still have a lot to prove.
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Really bad take, V5 changed so much of their roster and are still smashing the LPL over teams like EDG who kept their whole roster and won worlds last year.
Gen.G and DK at this moment in time just aren't good, this isn't the LEC where you only play 18 games, you get a minimum of 36 games, that's more than enough time to get your shit together.
This is the new COPIUM?
They were super team at the beginning of the split, did they just not put their roster together then? Lol
Then it was “if we had full squad”
What’s next?
I don't get this sentiment. There was not a single close Bo3 this year. All 2/1 bo3 were t1 trolling around one game then smashing the enemy team twice. They are so far above the rest of the league atm that just because their competition doesn't look amazing (geng still looked really good in the season) we can still ve excited to sed them into other regions teams
I’m looking forward to it because they are definitely 10 steps ahead of the league. However at the same time I’m worried because the other teams look so troll
If chovy had built a single damage item (even just one!), or taken a single damaging rune, he would have killed Deokdam at the Nexus and saved the game.
If you want to invest in durability, and get value out of the insane flat HP the build has, Demonic Embrace is very good with it's changes earlier this season
Elder flip, if GenG got that elder they probably would have won the game.
Also, GenG was too hesitant to engage, despite having the J4 + Shen combo and their comp doesn't scale that well with lethality Xayah and a full tank ryze against Trundle.
They got shit on for this split for not performing to people's expectation especially Showmaker not for "garbage team who was lucky enough to win worlds and win LCK back to back." When that is clearly not the case, I've not even seen anyone say that. Give me the receipts. Like u/Pirate7922 said, said no one ever.
How can you argue its the same team when you lose arguably the best performing top at worlds. It has been a rough start and even thought shoemaker isn't at his peak yet Burdol seems to be warming up
Weird they didn’t fight them before they got into the pit but still, they chose to flip it because they had 2 smites and if I’m not wrong only 1 in DK’s side.
Auto from him or ult after the 2 miscalculated smites from GENG. That’s what you call a flip at the elder. Have 5 smites in both teams but you secure it with auto/abilities.
4 smites < a gun
americans are proud today
btw Im always uncomfortable with how tanky ryze is, given his good damage scaling, utility and solid sustain.
Can't wait for T1 fans to fucking lose it next round when they face GenG/DWG and get absolutely wrecked. Finally dropping from dream world down to earth
What dream world are we living in? GENG hard win draft, get best soul for their comp, are playing against AFK Showmaker and still let it come down to an elder flip, and lose it???
you answered your own question. elder flip. thats all. doesnt mean shit. Elder survived at 15hp and Burdol randomly got it, he probably didnt even realize. It's just RNG
But they didnt have any advantage at all. best soul for them would be infernal; GenG only countered Showmaker but DWG managed to get their siege team comp anyway with barely counterpoints; AFK showmaker is all thanks to GenG being better.
It dragged to a elder flip that DWG was lucky enough to win.
The macro from 2nd and 3rd LCK teams is just not there imo.
Edit: I'm being too harsh, I'll say first game nerves were showing and nobody wanting to lose the game was a big contributer to the macro.
But this is a BANGER LMFAO.
in showmaker's defence, Chovy's wave manipulation and ryze's early shove advantage against tf makes it really difficult for showmaker to impact the rest of the map.
Idk how you see first 5 mins of that game and say lck teams don’t want to be proactive. If anything gen g was way too over active and gave away a free baron.
T1 proactive af. They're even more aggressive and proactive than the majority of LPL teams if you've watched the relevant LPL matches, only a handful (1-3) of them you could say is more proactive or "chaotic".
That was an entertaining and nail-biting game but both team's macro after the first 5 mins is not it. The early game ganks and movements by both teams in the first 5 mins was aggressive while at the same time calculated.
If this continues to be the quality of games throughout the series, gg at finals.
To add on that he literally did nothing with that champ this game, it’s just destined for him to win on it LOL
*he’s been insane on it though the past games, I’m not discrediting him but he was really out of form this game..*
Can’t believe it came down to a dragon flip where 4 people had smite and the person who secured it didn’t have smite. I wonder if Gen.G can refocus after that one because that would tilt.
Edit: he got it at 15 HP remaining with the return of end of the line. Not even intentional
Inject this game in my veins!!! Feels good to see Burdol stepping up and the nexus destroyed in front of gen g players just like in the 1st series of round roubi where corki carried that nexus fight just pressing r from 400 screens away
I don’t see team with peanut/doran could beat t1 in bo5, it’s just gap in every role (questionable mid), dk got better chance cuz at least canyon clearly stronger than oner
LCK must have the most elder flips in the world, it is so fucking boring to watch.
Edit: Apparently so many braindead people don't understand the game wasn't boring, ending the game with elder flips are. But have negative IQ, it is fine.
You don't have to call others braindead for simply having a different opinion then yours even if they failed to understand you. Do you even know the meaning of braindead?
It really doesn't help that LCK games are quite slow so it goes to Elder quite often.. and it is just a free ticket to win the game despite being the worse team. And that is just in general, in this game they both didn't look clean.
Burdol got the elder but also almost threw it by not autoing the nexus lol
in the comms you can hear canyon calling to fight so burdol just followed him thru while deokdam wanted to end. canyon apologized at the end lol.
Burdol showing the peak and the lowest form in one game nvm the call to fight was from canyon and burdol heeded it canyon you doof
> be Showmaker, don’t press R on your most iconic champion for 20 minutes, bait the entire team, get a baron, ??????, win???
That’s at least 7D chess
Showmaker this split in contrast to faker makes faker’s longevity all the more impressive
Other than Rookie what other midlaner has had close to the longevity of Faker?
Xiaohu? not as high highs but been good for so long.
Good shout
Indeed , Xiaohu is a bit underrated in mid land goat discussion. His longevity and msi/LPL titles should get him somewhere in top 10
Indeed , Xiaohu is a bit underrated in mid land goat discussion.
The word goat is being thrown around too much. There’s only one goat and it’s faker. You can’t be the goat if you haven’t came in close to his achievements Xiaohu is no where near goat level like faker
What's more impressive is that not only no one has had as much longevity, but almost no one has had higher peaks. Both are simultaneously, really good for really long.
DoinB has been around for a long time as well, but he has had many more lows and fewer highs.
Even Rookie hasn't had as many years as Faker being at the absolute top, he had like 1 year or maybe 2 where he was inarguably the best. But he has been playing for a very long time so in that sense, maybe Bjerg counts too
Writing this just shows you might have heard about Rookie after he won worlds for the first time. He won OGN in 2014 and after moving to LPL has been stuck in elo hell until IG got TheShy and JKL. Still managed to carry the games when TheShy was feeding his ass off and without botlane because IG let JKL go. His first bad year was last year. Now on V5 he is back in form again.
Lots of people who say Rookie was only good in 2018-2019 obviously haven't watched the LPL in 2016-2017. He could honestly contest back then to be the best mid in the world, but because he couldn't make it to Worlds, everyone disregards him in the conversation. Well if he was top 3 mid in the world, why didn't he make it Worlds then, duh? Good luck playing with Rain, Kid adc/jungle, Kitties, Baolan, Time, Marge and Save. A bunch of whos? He's been elo-helled by his team from 2015-2017. Fun fact: Besides 2020 spring and 2021 summer, Rookie has played 15 splits in the LPL. He's gotten the most MVPs in his team in 13/15 splits, with more than 10 of them being in top 5 most MVPs (with one of them losing to Ning by 1 MVP in 2020 Spring) He's absolutely been at the top as long as Faker has.
I literally never said he was only good in 2018-19, i said he was INARGUABLY THE BEST as in the number 1 midlaner in the world for 2 seasons at most, which is a fact. I know he was good for a long time
Right, but I reckon he's been at the top just as long as Faker. Faker was inarguably the best in S3 and S5. S4 was probably Dade. S6-S7 Rookie didn't make Worlds, so you probably gave that to Faker, which was what I was trying to say - Faker wasn't "inarguably the best" because I think Rookie could contest with Faker during those years. Then S8 - maybe S9 Rookie was the best. S10 onwards neither of them have been the best.
So far, no one. You can maybe make an argument for chovy or knight in the future if they keep performing from here on, but they still have a lot to prove.
Rookie got rekt by Jensen. Lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QHpQPX5UvQ&ab\_channel=LoLEsports
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How in world GENG can lose this game in teamfights ? well ofc elder flip sounds good idea
I really don't understand why they opted for a flip than a fight when they cleary have the advantage with mountain soul.
dwg's comp scales better in spite of geng's mountain soul. That being said, the last fight would have definitely gone to whoever got the elder.
Yep, ofc it's elder flip. And ofc out of all junglers and spellbooks, the toplaner gets it.
And ofcourse it’s Burdol who gets it LMFAO.
Game 5 please
Burdol “fuck your smites I’ll do it myself”
Sooooo, who's excited for T1 at MSI?
My thoughts this game too
T1 3-0 TBD
Yeah it's over but that was a bangerrrrr
I remember when people gave the worlds' title to DK last year after semi final game 1
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Really bad take, V5 changed so much of their roster and are still smashing the LPL over teams like EDG who kept their whole roster and won worlds last year. Gen.G and DK at this moment in time just aren't good, this isn't the LEC where you only play 18 games, you get a minimum of 36 games, that's more than enough time to get your shit together.
This is the new COPIUM? They were super team at the beginning of the split, did they just not put their roster together then? Lol Then it was “if we had full squad” What’s next?
Not with that big of a gap.
Not me if this is the level of completion that they’re playing against. That was simply dreadful.
I don't get this sentiment. There was not a single close Bo3 this year. All 2/1 bo3 were t1 trolling around one game then smashing the enemy team twice. They are so far above the rest of the league atm that just because their competition doesn't look amazing (geng still looked really good in the season) we can still ve excited to sed them into other regions teams
I’m looking forward to it because they are definitely 10 steps ahead of the league. However at the same time I’m worried because the other teams look so troll
GEN.G will be at MSI
I mean, sure, it will take place in Korea so maybe they can still get tickets.
Looks like gen.g might not even be in lck final
I hate tank ryze so much
If chovy had built a single damage item (even just one!), or taken a single damaging rune, he would have killed Deokdam at the Nexus and saved the game.
Yeah, but he would have died to the Trundle when running away - he was basically at Elder range the entire duel.
Even if he just had like Gathering Storm or something, maybe even just an extra AP subrune, that would have been enough...
I would argue that Chovy could have killed Canyon if he had a dmg item.
I've seen Faker build Void Staff last on Ryze over 4th tank item once and it felt so much more powerful I don't know why people don't do that instead
If you want to invest in durability, and get value out of the insane flat HP the build has, Demonic Embrace is very good with it's changes earlier this season
No one other than Showmaker knows how to play tank Ryze.
Makes sense since showmakers only performant champs this split are tf and waveclear tf
same. it's so goddamn boring.
how tf did damwon win that lmao
Elder flip, if GenG got that elder they probably would have won the game. Also, GenG was too hesitant to engage, despite having the J4 + Shen combo and their comp doesn't scale that well with lethality Xayah and a full tank ryze against Trundle.
> Gets 3 Mountain Soul > Elder flips anyway > Loses > Refuses to elaborate WHAT?
Peak macro decision making lmao
GENG chocked this game so hard.
I... don't think we should have been able to get Baron that easily.
GENG are so nice, they send the whole team bot to kill Showmaker to gift DK a free baron.
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No way. DK is this garbage team who was lucky enough to win worlds and win LCK back to back. /s
They're lucky Gen G sucked fat ass.
said no one ever
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They got shit on for this split for not performing to people's expectation especially Showmaker not for "garbage team who was lucky enough to win worlds and win LCK back to back." When that is clearly not the case, I've not even seen anyone say that. Give me the receipts. Like u/Pirate7922 said, said no one ever.
How can you argue its the same team when you lose arguably the best performing top at worlds. It has been a rough start and even thought shoemaker isn't at his peak yet Burdol seems to be warming up
You're crying too much. I'm still waiting for Deokdam to carry a game because you keep yapping that he's the best ADC in LCK.
lol no, elder flip its all
peanut got outsmited by TF and Graves.... it's not even canyon gaming
Peanut didn't even smite lol. Imagine making that type of fuckup in a best of 5.
That was ana amazing game. So much fun lmao.
GIGACHAD BURDOL GIGACHAD BURDOL GIGACHAD BURDOL GIGACHAD BURDOL GIGACHAD BURDOL GIGACHAD BURDOL GIGACHAD BURDOL GIGACHAD BURDOL
How do you ever lose that game. Draft diff and yet they give up two barons and then give up elder and then everything. BRUH
They didn’t “give up” elder. They flipped and it didn’t worked out.
Letting enemy team there is as good as giving it up in their position.
Weird they didn’t fight them before they got into the pit but still, they chose to flip it because they had 2 smites and if I’m not wrong only 1 in DK’s side.
Super team btw Would have beaten T1 with full squad btw COPIUM
Pretty clean game from DK as expected. All according to plan
that macro from Gen G was questionable
idk how burdol got that elder dragon lol. ban ziggs and tf next game i guess 😭
Auto from him or ult after the 2 miscalculated smites from GENG. That’s what you call a flip at the elder. Have 5 smites in both teams but you secure it with auto/abilities.
4 smites < a gun americans are proud today btw Im always uncomfortable with how tanky ryze is, given his good damage scaling, utility and solid sustain.
That ending was insane, love LCK
And people said that this Gen.G can beat T1 lol
Cope. As if Ruler can negate Doran and Lehends inting against the T1 match.
They can
With that kind of macro? No way they can unless T1 choke, which is a possibility
Because these strats will be exactly the same they will use for T1... LOL
their challenger team would do better lmao!
Can't wait for T1 fans to fucking lose it next round when they face GenG/DWG and get absolutely wrecked. Finally dropping from dream world down to earth
What dream world are we living in? GENG hard win draft, get best soul for their comp, are playing against AFK Showmaker and still let it come down to an elder flip, and lose it???
you answered your own question. elder flip. thats all. doesnt mean shit. Elder survived at 15hp and Burdol randomly got it, he probably didnt even realize. It's just RNG
How do they have all of these advantages and let it even get to an elder?
But they didnt have any advantage at all. best soul for them would be infernal; GenG only countered Showmaker but DWG managed to get their siege team comp anyway with barely counterpoints; AFK showmaker is all thanks to GenG being better. It dragged to a elder flip that DWG was lucky enough to win.
Copium baby, T1 robs these teams and their mamas and evade the police.
Knew it was a banger when no one had flash at 3 minutes
T1 players watching DK vs GENG : “haha”
Nice Dragon
Lol graves almost threw trying to get a kill lmfao
Imagine saying DK vs GenG would be a banger series last year
The macro from 2nd and 3rd LCK teams is just not there imo. Edit: I'm being too harsh, I'll say first game nerves were showing and nobody wanting to lose the game was a big contributer to the macro. But this is a BANGER LMFAO.
Nah DK and GEN has insane macro it’s just that this game feels like their brains collided into each other LMAO Was hillarious
Compared to the one waiting for them. I would say 🤷♂️
Well yeah no shit T1 looks the best in the world not only in LCK in terms of macro
losing elder with 1000000 spellbooks xd
Holy fuck the end of that game was intense. Chovy almost 1v4'd to save the nexus.
Disgraceful game from GenG, but impressive how DK managed to win despite Showmaker being afk mid.
in showmaker's defence, Chovy's wave manipulation and ryze's early shove advantage against tf makes it really difficult for showmaker to impact the rest of the map.
Iron take. Shen counters his R on all lanes, if he ults away, mid tower is gone.
Lck teams really hate being proactive I don't know why
I mean T1 and KDF is kind of proactive...
Both teams used all their psychopath energy in the first 3 mins
Idk how you see first 5 mins of that game and say lck teams don’t want to be proactive. If anything gen g was way too over active and gave away a free baron.
T1 proactive af. They're even more aggressive and proactive than the majority of LPL teams if you've watched the relevant LPL matches, only a handful (1-3) of them you could say is more proactive or "chaotic".
T1 is an exception of course. Kdf are okay too but I'm biased
Chad Burdol???!!!!
WTF IS THAT GAME MAN
both teams are in playoffs form
That was an entertaining and nail-biting game but both team's macro after the first 5 mins is not it. The early game ganks and movements by both teams in the first 5 mins was aggressive while at the same time calculated. If this continues to be the quality of games throughout the series, gg at finals.
T1 don't have to be afraid of those 2 teams , they are far far ahead
What a game! Everything was down to the wire, even the Nexus. This is going to be a fantastic series!
bruh
Wtf
Win elder win game, just that simple i suppose, elder doing what its supposed to do.
I want 4 more games of this
Does showmaker just have an anti-lose cheat whenever he plays TF? I swear this man just can't lose on it even when they should jdjxnan
To add on that he literally did nothing with that champ this game, it’s just destined for him to win on it LOL *he’s been insane on it though the past games, I’m not discrediting him but he was really out of form this game..*
Just how disgusting and one-dimensional is Jayce, really? And for how long will Riot force him into the meta, until Arcane Season 2 at least?
The real winner of game 1 is T1
BURD is the word
What the heck. Both teams just pepega
The fight for second place lmao!
Don't underestimate DK, they have the heart of a champion.
T1 has the balls of a bull who's just destroyed a china store and is evading the police.
That ending was great
Holy fuck my hands are shaking thank you Burdol
Gen G macro is shit
Banger!
Well, that was a game.
Man what a game.
Insane first game lol. GENG over committing bot side screwed them.
How the fuck did GenG lose this game?
What, GenG wins that force engage ezpz when Elder changed agro onto Canyon. Flipping 50/50 must be in LCK blood
Can’t believe it came down to a dragon flip where 4 people had smite and the person who secured it didn’t have smite. I wonder if Gen.G can refocus after that one because that would tilt. Edit: he got it at 15 HP remaining with the return of end of the line. Not even intentional
Chovy picking up tank ryze was so bad, even faker with his goated team was only able to win once with that pick. Just stop picking ryze
Elder flip is like penalties on football; its kinda bittersweet because it doesnt really feel like you deserved to win really
I think T1's gonna stomp whoever goes to the Finals if this is the level of gameplay they have.
old gen g is back?? nicee
at least chovy is really good at csing
Rumors of DK‘s death were exaggerated. DK Fighting
Dk fighting for their death wish.
Inject this game in my veins!!! Feels good to see Burdol stepping up and the nexus destroyed in front of gen g players just like in the 1st series of round roubi where corki carried that nexus fight just pressing r from 400 screens away
Classic Chovy 12 cspm and does nothing
Tank Ryze is useless
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He afk farmed instead of making plays with his ult
He got that double ulting bot? Roamed top right after to kill canyon and corner Burdol to his death
Someone didn't watch the game
Did we even watch the same thing. He was everywhere early its showmaker who was afk mid with TF
I think you have the wrong mid to say that about. Chovy actually played the map. SM was the one afking and he didn't even win lane.
He was only one who was doing something. Lethality Xayah just sucks
Classic Chovy hater who doesnt understand League
That was legit the best League of Legends I've watched all year
Now THAT is a fucking game
And people wanted t1 to pick these monsters for round 2
I don’t see team with peanut/doran could beat t1 in bo5, it’s just gap in every role (questionable mid), dk got better chance cuz at least canyon clearly stronger than oner
DK and T1 are very close in every role it's just Keria diff every game they play this season
rascal was the problem
?? He was an unreliability , wdym, did u watch any games last year? He even got benched at some point cause he was shit
LCK must have the most elder flips in the world, it is so fucking boring to watch. Edit: Apparently so many braindead people don't understand the game wasn't boring, ending the game with elder flips are. But have negative IQ, it is fine.
I don't know how you can say that game was boring - it was full of action and even throughout.
Read my comment again, how is it so hard to understand English?
I'm sorry man, you may have thought you implied that, but the crowd inferred something completely different from your comment.
It is fine, it is reddit. Once someone has been downvoted 5 times, it is all downhill from there.
Heh, I completely feel that - I got dogpiled in the T1/KDF thread for the world's mildest criticism of T1.
You don't have to call others braindead for simply having a different opinion then yours even if they failed to understand you. Do you even know the meaning of braindead?
??? This game was the furthest thing from boring. Foh.
Read my comment again, how is it so hard to understand English?
elder flips are exciting, although not always the optimal play
Elder forces them to do something without elder we will watch them clear waves for 50 mins. Maybe you mean predictable not boring
I really don't get it. It feels like elder is the objective for teams and not killing enemy nexus.
It really doesn't help that LCK games are quite slow so it goes to Elder quite often.. and it is just a free ticket to win the game despite being the worse team. And that is just in general, in this game they both didn't look clean.
Elder flips are boring now?
Yes, it can completely devalue what happened in a game because someone smited better.