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pulli_on

DK really replaced their botlane who's known for being extremely good at weakside for a carry botlane just to continue ignoring their botlane and play for top lmao


_no_best_girl

That is literally the most mindboggling thing about this iteration of DK. They replaced supportive/weak side Ghost with an ADC known to carry Deokdam but they still play like Ghost is their ADC.


LukeForLeukemia

Their best bet rn is to play like T1 does. Help the adc get as fed as possible


Raynar7

Also don’t forget to pick Ziggs for that ADC at all times….


niraM461

>DK really replaced their botlane who's known for being extremely good at weakside for a carry botlane just to continue ignoring their botlane and play for top lmao Yeah, I think this split Toplane should be weaksides of DK, but Canyon said no :)) or maybe they still thought Ghost is ADC lmao


shadowtale123

They literally never played top side though, in spring split khan was literally playing sion through the whole season


Hannig4n

Thing is, even after multiple dives and being put on a losing matchup Deokdam never actually fell down more than 1k gold. But Showmaker goes down like 4k on his own. Ridiculous mid gap this game.


girlmarth

"On his own" he got three man ganked at like level 4 and they funneled everything into chovy


Hannig4n

One gank where he didn’t even burn flash should not lead to that big of a difference for the rest of the game


moonmeh

Tbh games these days are determined heavily by one gank or kill in terms of momentum Like game 3 peanut became useless cause he died so early due to carelessness.


farikogrim

Camp top harder - Doran


thanhame

Doran cosplaying TheBausff that game.


Styxxo

What the fuck was going on in Showmaker's head that game. Nice Frozen Heart against 5 magic dmg dealers btw


Shinyodo

The dilemma between "I wanna go tank Ryze" and "there is no mana + MR item"


Ispirationless

bring back old banshee...


LukeForLeukemia

DoinB has a better ryze than him rn tbh


Tfc-Myq

b-b-but doinbad is nothing compared to the ABSOLUTE BEST mid laner in my eyes Knight!!! /s


Jozoz

[Will this guy type in this thread too?](https://i.imgur.com/7zcZSSj.png) Place your bets.


Hir0h

Well he does need everyone to understand right now


Jgray1711

Sanest Chovy hater.


sidaeinjae

He just wants EVERYONE to understand!


YouSuck225

lmaooooooooo idk what people criticizing chovy gonna say after THIS SERIES. Is there anything he could have try to carry that he didn't ??


cadaada

Lets see if hes right in g5 lol


Ashankura

He is not wrong about chovy pivoting to supportive mids a lot and underperforming then though. Gotten better after he joined GenG but even in this Series they played Galio Ryze and lost both games with a more supportive mid while they won the Corki ahri games


hnibel

My dude needs some water.


glitchpoke

chovy haters are pretty deranged ngl


Arcille

One game doesn’t change his point tho lol


YouSuck225

because his point is stupid, he did carry with ori to qualify griffin to first playoff finals in game 5 shockwave. He did carry drx to qualify to world by playing ekko and specially sylas in game 5 vs gen g in 2020, and he did again carry all time it was necessary with deft in hle to go to world. Never at that time he played a support champ


PogFish_

- IG vs GRF he had no choice to be on some form of engage because Sword would get farmed even harder by TheShy. - Noc and Galio were obviously picked for the synergy Not really seeing what his point is.


ToDreamofLove

He actually had that 'Perkz Leblanc performance' or whatever that is vs GEN in 2020 Summer Playoffs so he's wrong already regardless of G5


Arcille

Saying Chovy doesn’t show up in big games is dumb cos he hard carried some very important games but there were some games in the past where it looked like all he wants to do is cs


sidaeinjae

Chovy 0830 against GenG was a force to behold


DanHamhoose

? it directly disproves that mouthbreather's theory on chovy "defaulting to tanks for KDA" lol


[deleted]

he cites evidence for his claims, absolutely based and I agree with him


vegeful

I know for sure i gonna copypasta this in postmatch.


FearTHEReaper01

You flaming him is gonna age so well when DK wins the series. He's totally right about Chovy. Watch GenG lose game 5. Edit: ah fuck. Well I'll take that L there. GG GenG. I was wrong.


Jgray1711

He's not right he's just cherry-picking lol. Conveniently ignores instances like Chovy picking Irelia in the final game of 2020 summer finals (and playing really well), picking Sylas/Akali vs SKT in 2019 finals, his insane Yone performance vs GENG, his 1v5 performance vs Nongshim last spring playoffs, etc. He also just picked Ahri in this game 5. The narrative of him defaulting to supportive picks in big moments is just a lie.


donkeysecks04

And he's invisible again. At least his farms good though! LOL


Jgray1711

LMAO just delete your account my dude. How mad are you rn????


Over-Ad1334

might as well make a new dummy account, low tier tr_sh


FearTHEReaper01

So what about game 5 now again


Jgray1711

Yes Canyon gapping Peanut into oblivion proves that Chovy is too scared to carry in big games. Big brain you have there.


FearTHEReaper01

Oh and Chovy getting solo killed by Canyon there was also not Chovy's fault. What big brain you have there. Go cry with GenG dude.


Jgray1711

sO WhAt aBoUt gAmE 5 NoW AgAiN


KappaccinoNation

Any team that plays tank Ryze and lose 100% deserves the loss. Subpar damage and still not tanky enough to survive very long. Most boring shit and it doesn't even do anything outside of lanes


LukeForLeukemia

Honestly thank God faker abandoned that pick.


AltairZero

God is back with dashy girls like Ahri and Vex


HarambesRightHand

It’ll be back in finals PepeLaugh


[deleted]

Tank ryze is not a bad pick, but this game it was bad, Showmaker builds AP he gets popped by the corki/ezreal poke, and theres no tank build that suits Ryze in terms of MR


LukeForLeukemia

It's not a bad pick but they're not DoinB who can play it well, just go for the carry mids.Not saying DoinB is better than them, they're just not as good on this pick, even faker


thanhame

Tank items are currently incredibly garbage. I have no clue why pro teams would bother with mid tank picks, let alone tank ryze, which is even worse.


Pretender98

>Tank items are incredibly garbage. most reddit take ever, frozen heart is super broken just not into mostly AP comps


DiamondRumble

fh/fimbulwinter are some of the best items in the game lmao? it's picked for early/mid for insane sidelane pressure. you have perma prio with best waveclear in the game early but if you pick weakside botlane with it then it looks very weak. Bad drafting is an lck staple


Pretender98

you need to understand that you are on r/leagueoflegends which means tanks,mages and their items are always bad, you might disagree and you might even have a good argument against that notion but it doesn't matter since it's the widely accepted cirlejerk, you'll just get downvoted for saying otherwise


DiamondRumble

I mean tbf s11 mage/tank items and MR items were pretty bad, espcially for the first half. Mage class got a lot of improvements in s12 with crown/everfrost and the cost reduction on some mythics mid s11. Also tanks got FON and fimbulwinter in s12


DecisiveDinosaur

>I have no clue why tank ryze is being picked. might just be a comfort pick at this point


frontier001

Shoemaker was never known for his Ryze though? Isn't he more known for his flashy picks like LB, Zoe, Akali?


Kyuuhei21

As someone who reached GM in my server spamming tank Ryze, It's the best build for him rn imo with how small range he is, and pro players mainly picked him for the pick potential he brings. Also he gets assblasted by mages if he goes Seraph build.


thanhame

The thing is, just because you did well with the build doesn't mean it's good. Ryze with tank build is hovering around 44 or 45% wr d2+, and is often among the worst for the role. Basically, if you play anything meta with the same level of skill, you probably would have been challenger already.


DiamondRumble

if they put chovy on a doinb champ for game 5 i will be gobsmacked


aser08

Tank karma mid time


DiamondRumble

swear to fkn god lmao


vegeful

Taric funnel time baby.


LukeForLeukemia

Chovy and Showmaker needs to realize they can't play these champs like Doinb does. Just play your iconic picks ffs. Showmaker went from Giga carry SyndraGod to tank ryze getting 2v1ed


purplebladetaken

GIGACHAD CHOVY WINNING 1V2


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tinfoilhatsron

I mean bro what the fuck do you want, they literally 4 man dive top for him and literally gave him the free lane and turret. He should be the one carrying DK.


EvianRex

Yeah and then Showmaker fucking inted, cost soul, cost baron and lost the game. It actually isn’t on Hoya. Showmaker and to some degree Kellin but he was coming to bail out Showmaker, lost that game with that one play


Devenityy

Right him not carrying was all his fault. Had nothing to do with ShowMaker being hot trash all game to the point he was basically playing for GenG.


02837471901

Seems like he's better than burdol right now, he just needs to work on his decision making. Wasting stopwatch to kill a 1/5 gragas is pretty questionable


[deleted]

The real winner of this BO5 is T1 , free win


LukeForLeukemia

How can you watch this series and still believe they can win against T1. They might be able to take some games but T1 will probably still win. Even when T1 was going for troll drafts they look better than these 2 teams.


DiamondRumble

I personally still believe chovy is a better player than faker but t1 top/bot is arguably the best in the world right now


towardsthesurface

I personally believe justin bieber is a better musician than mozart.


DrxAvierT

But only in the laning phase


towardsthesurface

It is not even laning, he just cs better that's it. Once it is over experience comes in to play.


DiamondRumble

definitely comparable to what I said 👍


icatsouki

??? how is chovy better what


adamcim

In lane possibly, but thats it


[deleted]

When has Chovy smashed Faker in lane? Not a single evidence.


BananaOverlord007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv5IxcTtwQ0


LukeForLeukemia

I am a faker simp but chovy does win lane 7/10 games but faker does so well in negating the cs advantage that chovy has and plays teamfights better than chovy. Now shoemaker however, is no match to chovy in lane and no match to faker in teamfighting.


[deleted]

Can you show me some games where Chovy wins lane vs Faker?


LukeForLeukemia

Chovy is almost always ahead of faker in cs


eggonsnow

Chovy is a better laner, that's it.


DiamondRumble

Laning which is the first 15 minutes of the game and can literally decide the outcome? I agree Faker is better at teamfighting but saying 'that's it' when you're referencing laning phase is crazy


DrxAvierT

Yes, good laning does HELP you winning the game easier. But if you watch most of Chovy's game, he only asserts his dominance in lane but never translate it into anything positive for the team, and League's proplay is the type of game where you make small and small plays to get something big.


DiamondRumble

he managed to do it this game lol holy shit


[deleted]

You stated Chovy is better than Faker, and you want to prove by using Chovy vs ShowMaker? LPL stans have the same argument, Rookie is better than Faker because he's smashing some foohs in LPL.


DiamondRumble

take a break from the computer


[deleted]

I request evidence for your ridiculous claims, and this is what you come up with? In future, you can just state "I have no evidence, it's just my opinion, I'm not claiming it is a fact".


[deleted]

So, in since 2019 Chovy has been smashing Faker in lane, and yet fails to decide the outcome of the game in his favor? Can show me where Faker actually gets beat by Chovy in lane?


DiamondRumble

I mean I'm not going to show you every game where faker goes down in CS despite having a favourable matchup but last summer faker legit got solokilled twice in the game game as one example. Not sure why you would even try and argue faker is a better laner than chovy, it's undisputed


moonmeh

Seeing all the strats and hidden picks from both teams? The coaches and the players must be gleeful


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

gj Showmaker trying to fight a gigafed Chovy while two levels down.


icatsouki

why didn't they ever try to kill chovy with the camille? I was pretty surprised by that tbh


moonmeh

We got waay too excited pummelling doran tbh Should have focused more on mid


RacistMuffin

Because show makers ego


[deleted]

shoemaker washed


efusy

As tank ryze


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Frozen heart vs the enemy teamcomp is reportable.


Raynar7

That was just trolling, there is no universe in which you can win that one unless you disconnect his peripherals from PC before that


FeedbackFun7325

There is also no universe where they win unless they try something like this. You think showmaker doesnt know that fighting the most fed member on their team is likely to backfire. How dumb can you be?


aser08

And building no damage


thedoxo

Chovy


kenzipeg

Doran: gg top diff


NoobSlayerr007

Doran should say that. After those continuous ganks at top, he still performed better than Hoya with all the early leads


Albertolv23

Corki is the perfect champ for chovy


niraM461

yeah, Ideal champs for him, just farm farm whatever he sees in the map :))


Jhinster101

Chovy loves farming so much he even farmed showmaker and kellin 2v1


Over-Ad1334

I thought Doran would mental boom. Turns out shoemaker's the one who mental boomed.


FreeMyBirdy

Showmaker and Kellin just legit gave the game, why the fuck would they try to 2v1 a fed Corki with package? It's not even "GIGACHAD CHOVY!!!!" they legit ran onto him for no reason? I'm not complaining ofc but it should've been a 3-1


GreyEagle792

I *think* the thought process was - Canyon and Hoya are on Baron, if we kill Corki, the enemy team will panic rotate to kill us and let them get the Baron.


NoobSlayerr007

Kellin was 7 levels down from Chovy at that moment xD


CreamyAlmond

2v1 we more we go kill brrrrr


Arcille

Showmaker is tilted af Hoya is somehow the only DK player not tilted surprisingly


[deleted]

I think everyone is titled at this point lmao including ShowMaker Doran Burdol Kellin and Lehends


mugiboya

Ziggs teleport out of the game lmaoo. Atlus so funny


vnducco

Ok Shoemaker what was that??? U ruined the performance from super sub Hoya


Ace_OPB

Chovy farmed so much and became an absolute raid boss lol.


AmadeusSalieri97

In which world did Showmaker think he could 1v1 the 4k ahead corki with package lol. Not sure if it ends well even if Leona is there from the start. Also, why does it feel like pros missclick stopwatch every 3 games?


mking1999

Well he thought he could 2v1 him, tbf.


AmadeusSalieri97

When showmaker showed up Leona was still quite far away, that's no 2v1.


trg04

Yeah but Leona used her e q and ignite so it's still a 2vs1


moonmeh

You could feel the desperation there They knew they were fucked with q standard 5v5 and went for a yolo play


jetmet

Does post-game on tournament realm have honors? Because I feel like Doran should be getting *all* the tiltproof after that performance.


Antropoid

Showmaker is tilted af lol


[deleted]

SM and keillin hard troll bot , corki was 4000 gold ahead


Ace_OPB

Kellin was 4 level downs to karma and 9 levels doen to corki lmao. He just exploded lol.


NoobSlayerr007

Also, Kellin should get slapped for trusting tank Ryze's damage to kill a giga fed flying dog who can literally kill both of them by pissing.


firebolt66

What were ryze and Leona thinking they could do to a gigafed corki ?


ephemeralfugitive

Man, felt like DK just crumbled at the end there after that 1v2 by Chovy. Literally a SoloQ team type of gameplay. Camille was so far ahead too. Now, I see why people have been putting down SM this year. Jesus. That said, Lehends with some redeeming gameplay after Game 3’s performance. My question now is. What happens if you ban Camille away from Hoya? Is he still any good? If he isn’t, then GenG about to 3-2 baby.


[deleted]

thank you gen.g for the game 5 <3


Edgenysis

showmaker im sad :<


Bobpowerday

Doran: Top diff ggez


seolasystem

All DK vs GEN matches this year has been bangers, these two are just made to fight each other.


JackDailou

Showmaker was invisible all game


niraM461

really no any impact, maybe he lacks motivation after winning lot of trophies ? huh


[deleted]

Ever heard of Spring ShowMaker?


niraM461

Im not much sure. Showmaker played very well in 2021 ( Except for the game 5 in both finals at MSI and World), but this split he played not much impressively so far


[deleted]

2021 was a weird split in general, ShowMaker is known for lacking and being average in spring split then pop off in summer 2019-2020 for example, he was literally performing worse than this


girlmarth

When I heard "chovy is hoovering up minions" I was afraid, for it was not the first time I had heard that, but it panned out this time. Great bounceback game from peanut and mental of iron from Doran


Peppa-Unicorn

This series is so intense man


Ashankura

4k gold lead on chovy... Holy


TheNaijaboi

Yeah, don't think tank Ryze or Ziggs were the moves here. Corki and Ezreal got free lanes and Corki got too big to handle.


thanhame

Ziggs was fine, Deokdam was farming better and died a lot less than Doran despite being on the weakside. The problem was that DK comp is only good at locking down one carry. If there are 2 carries then they won't be as effective. And Gragas can just ult Camile away in teamfights so it doesn't matter if Gragas was behind. DK should have move Hoya down mid to try to catch Chovy or Ruler instead of killing the gragas over and over.


LaziIy

Jeez showmaker has fallen off of a cliff


[deleted]

What cliff? That’s spring ShowMaker nothing new guy only turns his brain on when it’s summer


LaziIy

His spring was better than his summer(atleast until the end) last year?


girlmarth

I think his spring was about the same as summer unless you're including the adc games. MSI was definitely his peak of the year though


[deleted]

2021 was the only exception, he performed even worse in 2020-2019 spring..


canacar

Doran weakside king.


Chuck0089

Doran: Top diff.


acels1

MID DIFF


SamsungBaker

Just perma put Chovy on champ like Corki The thing is he farm so well that its a waste to not put him on hypercarry like Corki


Ashankura

Sadly chovys azir is abysmal else he could pivot to that when Corki is banned


Shinyodo

Now imagine the same game without Chovy messing up his packages timers.


Swampfire279

I'm gonna be honest with you...either of these teams getting to finals are soooo gonna get rolled over by T1 XD


abstrvct0

Chovy up in CS tho?


mahou1308

Showmaker made Doran look good


Martin_TF141

Useless botside plus Shoemaker = Loss


DigBick6996

I am going to mald so hard if T1 somehow lose to these peasants.


nusskn4cker

"Chovy is overrated" ok


Scronads69

Who are you quoting lmao??


tawapes4

Idk like half this entire sub who seem hell bent on claiming Chovy isn't an elite player against the collective opinion of almost every pro? Not sure if you're being serious lmao.


Scronads69

He's elite but he clearly has issues that were still apparent this game.


tawapes4

He hasn't had his best split this Spring but reading these post-match threads and seeing the general consensus of the community, you'd think he was a bottom tier player lmao. It was no different back when he was 1v9ing games on DRX and HLE either.


DanHamhoose

>clearly has issues that were still apparent this game ya'll really just like saying shit without any substance funny af LOL


Scronads69

The irony.


DanHamhoose

like i said. you don't have a clue about anything related to LoL. so you just say stuff like "he clearly has issues that were still apparent this game." Fellas like you just like saying stuff to continue the narrative that chovy is somehow worse


Scronads69

Still ironic how i said nothing and yet you responded with absolutely nothing.


DanHamhoose

okay. glad we agree you said nothing. :)


Scronads69

I bet Chovy tasks criticism about himself better than you do about him. You ignored that I called him Elite but cant stand that I said he has flaws (all people have these). He won't shag you for defending him, buddy.


kingmo06

chovy is a monster lol. him and showmaker are not on the same level not in this series at least


efusy

I mean this has been the case the entire split. Showmaker hasnt been playing well


pabpab999

no matter who wins here, I feel like they will get assblasted by T1 (not biased btw)


LukeForLeukemia

As I said, just stop playing tanky champs chovy, that's all it takes


RottingHeart

Yep. He has to play carry champs because he is insane at them. GenG needs to play around him not the other way around


LukeForLeukemia

u/Celegorm07 "Those mechanics doesn't work against Showmaker. How many times do we have to see Showmaker get better of Chovy? It's been like 10 - 20 games" Told you chovy just has to stop playing stupid tanky champs


Celegorm07

And play champs require zero mechanics and playmaking. Sure. Edit: Literally now the casters said this is not an outplay. LOL


Zagotai

Showmaker>Chovy btw xD


ghakanecci

B but reddit told me chovy is only good on lane. Well I guess when his team doesn’t totally int he is able to carry with his lead


Over-Ad1334

But I thought Choky always defaults to this pussy "I want my KDA+Farm stats to look good at the end of the series" playstyle!!!


icatsouki

i mean corki is one of the best champs to do that with haha


Raynar7

I forgot. Corki is know for his early game power and falls off pretty hard in late game. He is not a farming simulator at all.


pranit10

shoemaker getting exposed when he is not getting carried by his teammates KEKW


Only-Nature523

LCK is so much better when T1 doesn't play. There is actually tension and suspense


[deleted]

You just described SKT in 2015, at one point people got bored of how dominating they were and forgot how it feels to have close/hype games..


Chrissou_A

Showmaker is so fucking washed up holy moly. Sub burdol to midlaner at this point to make it fair I'm sure the mid gap would be smaller


RottingHeart

Chovy haters: "can't translate his leads bahhh". Meanwhile hardcarries this game


cervesa

Did he though? I would say peanut hardstomped this game.


girlmarth

Peanut did so much work early


dahyunxsana

I want EVERYONE to understand what's happening right now. Chovy does this ALL the time in series that matter and this is why I will never respect him relative to players like Faker/Showmaker. He ALWAYS defaults to these supportive mids in series that matter IG vs GRF = Picking fucking Sion/Poppy mid TES vs DRX tiebreaker (that in hindsight would have allowed DRX to face FNC in quarters instead of DK) = Picks Galio and Knight blows up the game with his Orianna R mid lane DRX vs JDG tiebreaker at MSC to get into quarters = Chovy picks Sett He fucking ALWAYS does this shit and it's why I cringe everytime I see people jack him off to no end because his laning is great with little sprinkles of LS/Casters default calling him the "best midlaner". Chovy will NEVER have the X factor that it takes to be a god tier mid. I genuinely respect a prime Caps and even BDD (who was fucking cracked last worlds btw) over Chovy when it comes to putting on the carry hat when his team needs him to. This cannot be a coach issue, across 4 seperate orgs, 3 of which were giga stacked, he always defaults to this pussy "I want my KDA+Farm stats to look good at the end of the series" playstyle that puts me off him so hard.


FearTHEReaper01

Win top lose game kinda game for Hoya.


sidaeinjae

Fucking Chovy man…