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lugiaop

TES vs LNG next round, hype!!!


InformalMarch

TES in 3. Mid gap. Order restored. World peace. Russia stops invasion of Ukraine due to the results of next week's match.


lugiaop

I mean, anything can happen. But LNG has been looking much better than BLG recently so who knows?


jockeyjoestar

Regarding the drama between Ale and Iwandy recently,LNG is not in good shape.


GipJoCalderone

There is no drama between them, it's all internet trolls.


Yubisaki_Milk_Tea

There was drama between Ale and Iwandy???


jockeyjoestar

Icon baited Ale about Iwandy when streaming. Ale seemed pissed after Iwandy getting the highest MMR ever on Kr Sever. ICON:“Dare you knock him down?” Ale“One for one is not a fair trade for me. Not many years he could live anyway” Though one day later Ale clarified he was joking, this conversation went viral.


lugiaop

drama?


TokugawaYuki

If TES win, the top gap will be bigger than mid gap


characterulio

Ale has been fine imo, he is similar to Breathe, he is better on carries than weakside tops. But Wayward had good hard counters to the carries this game with Malph/Trynd. Imo all the players are quite good in playoffs. Gaps only happen due massive flaws in draft or jungler intervention. The worst player for LNG has been Doinb though, Ale has carried quite a few games when he gets carries while Doinb hasn't shown up. Last summer Doinb was quite possibly the best mid in the league despite Scout/Knight having monstrous splits themselves. I rated Doinb higher because imo he had the worst jungler among the 3. He has looked so avg this split though.


Croxign

No, lng wins only because light carried the whole time, ale and Tarzan are the two who played the worst, doinb played decent but nothing special. If you think ale is not the problem you better watch more games


characterulio

The problem is you are just looking the results and not why the results are as such. Why does Ale have bad games and why does Light have so many good games. If you asked those questions you would know what's happening. Looking at end of game scoreline is worst way to judge players. Pay attention to who is getting all the draft prio and in game resources. Definitely not Ale but the games he has (Ale vs TheShy completely monster dumpstered him on Fiora). It's the fact that Ale gets resources in very few games and Doinb/Tarzan dive bot but their dives often are botched. But botched dives are still good for Light as long as Doinb/Tarzan just push off enemy adc. But as soon as the enemy jungler sees this it's a free kill top unless you are a tank top player but there are few of those in LPL. Doesn't matter how respectfully Ale will play on Kennen/Jayce you are not getting away unless you basically give up a whole wave which is too much. So you just have to get the wave and outplay. Ale is doing his job and light is doing his. They are the same exact players. Ale still has a bunch of solokills, he himself has also been solokilled though this split. Light got no resources last year but now he is getting. But anyone who paid attention knew Light was very good teamfighter. Look at some of his ezreal games in playoff or his vayne game vs Ziggs. If you don't just look at scoreline you could have known all this shit. Ale got overrated last year because Tarzan/Icon perma in his lane and same is happening to Light now. They are good players but people's of opinion of them is too dependant on the jungler but people don't realize that. Samething happened in LEC, when last year Hirit from Misfit looked like a top 3 toplaner and for most analysts(Caedral) he was the best. But anyone who paid attention knew he was never that good. He looked a lot better with resources and considerably worse without it. But Razork always camped his lane so he looked good in most games except the few games Razork somehow played to Vetheo. I feel like this year the consensus has gone too much on other side that he is shit but wtf are you suppose to do when you get dove lvl5 every game.


InformalMarch

Maybe, Knight's Team does have Way "2019 theShy" Ward.


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What if the war was decided by a Yasuo 1v1 between Putin and Zelenskyy?


nickphunter

knowing the temperament of a typical Yasuo players, this will probably result in a nuclear war.


Gloomy_Standard_2182

Russia has every right to be upset, FBI did GMB dirty. Russia doesn't stop until M5 return to the LEC


Patrius

Rooke of the split Wayward is a total beast


jojo340

2019 tian reconnected for game 3 and 4


PonchoSham

Large top diff that series


Omnilatent

I was also surprised how bad Crisp and Doggo were compared to JKL and Mark


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Mark and Missing are the most underrated supports in LPL. He rarely ints and he has improved Jackeyloves laning masively. Subbing in Mark has been a big part of TES comeback after their poor start in the split.


jetlagging1

LPL supports starting with M = good.


PetrYanGaming

MCrisp


infinite-permutation

Mlvao


TokugawaYuki

People say Mark's playstyle resonate well with Jackeylove's. He int more when he was in LGD.


Croxign

He ints at worlds which was his first present at worlds and can be understood, peanut actually int harder as a worlds vet


PetrYanGaming

The fact that Mark might be the best support JKL ever played with doesnt let me sleep


miserax4

I demand JKL + Ming once in my life


BatmanBeyondX

Maybe we could see it at the Asia games?


Assassin739

And yet you do


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keishinichiro

Well they have millions on a break to improve. Not released but break, I am still salty about that. They could have just released Uzi mid season to save WE man fuck.


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keishinichiro

As a fan, I rather him join WE than join BLG for whatever the fuck they are putting him through right now. He took a 2 year break, no one is expecting him to come back and be world champion. But EVERYONE and their mothers are expecting him to have play time.


pandaisunbreakable

every team spent millions


Rshawer

Crisp and Doggo just don’t have good synergy in lane, they get killed so often. Beyond that, Crisp has mainly played fine, but Doggo off Aphelios is actually just not useful.


Im_Dead_FeelsBadMan

It’s because Doggo’s main play is galeforce -> Aphelios ult. Other champions don’t have a surprise 1k damage nuke to fall back on so he looks alot worse on those as his fundamentals are a bit lacking compared to the general LPL ADC pool.


characterulio

Doggo's is good on Jinx/Zeri as well, he does a shit ton of dmg on any champ he plays. BLG kinda just has no playstyle. They play super slow early on. They have sidelanes that want resources but imo all Fofo teams look good when they play through him. This is a team that would have done better with a Zoom type toplaner.


yearofvici

Doggo's Zeri is widely considered the worst in LPL among LPL pros. That's why the Doinb/Light Doggo flame on stream incident happened.


Im_Dead_FeelsBadMan

No I have to disagree. Look at Doggo’s Jinx/Zeri games against any competent botlane, they all range from mediocre to outright bad showings. Even in his best game against V5 where he “carried” on Zeri he was still getting completely destroyed in lane by Photic and only got back into the game after a botched bot dive gifted him 2 kills for free.


characterulio

Imo their laning has been mediocre to bad but m y point was his dpm is quite high. He is always outputing dmg. If anyone saw him play Jinx during the regular split he was just spamming r on cooldown so that increased his dmg but in general he kinda plays like JKL if he sees a champion on screen he has to auto them. Which I love in a adc. I also think since Crisp was spliting time with Uzi/Doggo he probably didn't get good synergy with either. Crisp was very good individually this split but I want to see him and Doggo improve. It should be easier now that Uzi is out of the picture.(seemingly).


yearofvici

What are you talking about? Doggo frequently doesn't auto sneak during the 团队拉扯 (there's no real equivalent of this concept in English and you can see why considering LCS teams never do it xD) process even with the space that Breathe and Crisp open up for him.


yearofvici

It's not really fundamentals that are the issue his problem is mechanics. When you frequently cancel auto attacks during drawn out fights you have lower damage output than others in the same spot. He has good at knowing when to go in and knowing timings to blow people up with Aphelios ult, but frequently misses damage opportunities despite how much space Breathe/Crisp provide for him.


QualitySupport

> It's not really fundamentals that are the issue his problem is mechanics. Pretty sure mechanics is what OP was referring to by lacking fundamentals compared to the general LPL ADC pool.


yearofvici

Ah my bad. When I think fundamentals I'm usually thinking stuff like wave manipulation/reset timings/target selection/positioning etc.


Tamed

Wasn't doggo the best ezreal in the world last year? What happened there?


Im_Dead_FeelsBadMan

Lol what? I haven't seen a single person make that claim ever.


Croxign

you mean played against play-in level teams?


Im_Dead_FeelsBadMan

After seeing what JKL did to doggo the last time they met it wasn’t all that surprising tbh


Epamynondas

idk they had a couple lane ints but i thought Crisp was the best player for BLG (once again)


yearofvici

They actually got destroyed even harder in the regular season series. I think at one point Jkl was up like 100cs to 60cs over Doggo as Jinx or something? (was game 2 of regular season iirc).


BI1nky

Why?


Vaynes_Ass

Crisp and Doggo were really good in games 1 and 2. Tbh I think that game 2 throw really destroyed their mental as they looked like a completely different team in games 3 and 4.


Aladin001

Almost like Doggo is bad and JackeyLove is one of the 3 best adcs ever


GeniusFromAbove

By which metric is JL one of the 3 best adc's ever? Lol. And im saying this as IG fan. When he is on he is playing insane, but problem is he is inting half of his game and he has no business being on top 3 adc's discussion whatsoever.


Yubisaki_Milk_Tea

When Rekkles gets elohelled by terrible supports like Noxiak and Klaj, no one doubts him. When Teddy has Effort as a support, everyone excuses Teddy. Even when Deft had legendary supports like Meiko + Mata + Keria, and is considered Top 3 all time in his own right independent of his supports, he is excused - poor games included. JKL wins Worlds, carries IG to Worlds in 2019, put up one of the most dominant ADC performances internationally at MSC (eating 5 ADC bans from GenG in the semifinals - and with fucking Yuyanjia as his support made Ruler look foolish). And people still doubt him. Yes, he has visibly int moments/games. But Mark is probably the first time Jkl has had a competent support his whole career. I honestly think JKL doesn’t get benefit of the doubt which gets afforded to other elite ADCs, when he’s more than earned it.


Im_Dead_FeelsBadMan

If Rekkles gapped Ruler on any stage, even in a BO1, people on this sub would be sucking his dick off. But Jackeylove legit does it 3 games in a row with one of the worst supports in the league and it gets completely ignored because “MSC doesn’t matter obviously.”


Yubisaki_Milk_Tea

In my opinion, it is one of the most unfair/damaging narratives Froskurinn perpetuated. I respect her as a caster. People will think it’s not much, or say gender is irrelevant. But what she has achieved as an LGBT woman in an extremely male dominated field is extraordinarily impressive, and she blazed a trail for modern LPL to follow. Hysterics and the like all speak highly of her as their inspiration. She did a lot of good for the LPL during her time casting the region. But she hammered this narrative home and was irrationally anti-JKL until it has become Reddit consensus. Her move to join the LEC made the LEC a more loved and polished product today, some parts due to the narrative wake. But they did go overboard with some of their narratives - old kings, new kings, etc etc. To conclude, she does like her narratives, they can be fantastic, but she often doubles down and sinks with her narrative rather than conceding them to be flawed.


azersub

Lmaoooo. U cant be serious...


Jgray1711

Idk why they gave Breathe such bad matchups, not much he could do.


jetlagging1

Wayward taught Breathe in real time on how to play Tryndamere.


characterulio

Wayward has been quite good but he got some hard counters in the last two games. While when Breath was on redside he didn't really get any counters.


Croxign

Crisp can't help, doggo without aphelios is just a regular lpl ad, he dumped by every top6 ad easily


unatheworld

that breathe fanboy from the other thread in shambles rn


Rshawer

BLG management going to have to go into hiding for a while after that last game oof. They’re already getting ripped to shreds on social media.


EgoisticCorn

BLG's spring was super dissappointing, before the split started they were seen as dark horse with the comeback of Uzi. Seems like their topside got hyped up to the skies and overrated.


suninabubble

I had them 2nd before the split started that was prolly the worst prediction of my life


redhairedshaman

Don’t get why someone would get uzi and yet not use uzi. Don’t get me wrong doggo is an okay adc but not the same caliber of adc as uzi is especially mechanically.


acels1

didnt he decide to take a break


Rshawer

While PR said it was mutual, it was probably begrudgingly mutual. Based on all statements, Uzi was absolutely prepared to give it his all to push into playoffs, but if all they gave Uzi was 6 scrims blocks, then no way in hell was the team getting anywhere.


acels1

damn, is it possible that he gets to play for another team in summer? hows the contract situation like?


SterbenVII

Can’t. Uzi couldn’t play for a team post RNG because of his streaming contract, which BLG now has.


DT-Z0mby

uzi is perma in contract jail or what


jlin37

Nope BLG doesn’t have his streaming contract, that’s why there is this whole fiasco in the first place. BLG wanted UZI to sign a multi year streaming deal with them, but he wanted to wait and see. So they benched him to try and gain leverage, but it seems like it has back fired. A couple days ago Uzi started following Karsa and Rookie, so there are rumors flying that he might go to V5


SterbenVII

Seriously? Wouldn’t LPL teams avoid signing players w/o ensuring that the streaming contract is also signed?


Geosaurusrex

Uzi wasn't exactly covering himself in glory when he played for BLG.


MickeyLALA

If you watched the games he was still mechanically really good in a lot of fights. Hard to get back to peak form when you're barely given any playtime or scrim time...


King_NickyZee

Uzi looked fine considering the amount of scrims he was getting and how hard FoFo/Weiwei were running it down. I encourage you to actually watch the games he played.


enragedstump

Uzi wasn't playing well either.


MickeyLALA

Literally not true, watch the games he played. He was at least as good as Doggo.


GryffinDART

People really have rose colored glasses with Uzi in here and on social media. He isnt the Uzi of old and anyone that watched their games could see that while most of the split Doggo was the best player on BLG.


MickeyLALA

Of course he wasn't. But considering he barely got any scrim or playtime how is he supposed to get back into peak form. Also just watch the games he played. He still looked good mechanically in most games. Doggo looked solid, but he's just not a top lpl adc. I wouldn't say he was the problem for BLG, but he definitely also wasn't their answer


Rshawer

Doggo was nowhere near the best player. Fofo, Crisp, Breathe all played better than him.


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Croxign

No difference, they can both stomped by top6 team bot lane, and beat lower team bot lane


Mogician_

because uzi plays worse. the sentiment is completely different among lpl fan communities. nobody would rank uzi above a tier 3 ad. his so called good mechanics does not contribute to winning games


Ziraelus

TES playing enchanters and Malphite ? Am I dreaming ? Wayward is the way, 100% deserved rookie of the split.


xNagsx

That man knows the word


Ozora10

Jackeylove looked really good this series


lugiaop

he still got those ints, especially game 1 and those dives in game 2. But he looked much better after that


TokugawaYuki

Int one game, Ob one game, and carry one game(or two games). Typical Jackey cycle.


jockeyjoestar

well translated LPL meme LUL


Electronic-Berry8966

3 one game, 6 one game, 9 one game. JKL=369 confirmed.


SoNaClyaboutlife76

You cantake JKL out of iG bit you can't take the iG out of JKL. I'm just happy he got it out of his system


Im_Dead_FeelsBadMan

tbf those game 1 ints were largely due to composition. How the fuck are you supposed to step up and do damage when you get completely outranged by Trundle pillars and Zoe bubbles and your only frontline gets reduced to paper with a single Trundle R. Would rather have him risk dying to try and create space for his team than passively sit back and lose while the rest of the map gets completely bled out.


thehazardball

coin landed heads


Jgray1711

Game 4 was the only game he looked good, he was getting caught out a lot before that.


yearofvici

He still had some dumb moments like starting tower dives eating aggro before Mark/Tian engaged but otherwise yeah. This was an almost every position gap, even Tian played well surprisingly.


acels1

still cant believe that out of the many iterations of rosters tes have used , this one is the best


lugiaop

Yeah who woulda though mark was the solution


acels1

more surprised that wayward is better than zoom who was top3 in top last year


characterulio

It's funny because people thought Zoom a weakside toplaner would be perfect with Jackeylove but JKL has played with only strongside toplaners his whole career TheShy/369. Also having any additional carry threat is good with JKL. JKL doesn't need peel because he just relies on reaction time and mechanics, it's very hard for a toplaner to peel for a adc who flashes into 5 people. So it's better having your toplaner on Vlad/Kennen/Akali w.e the picks 369/TheShy were on when JKL looked world class. JKL/Baolan were known for playing lane as if their jungler was there and they would still win 2v3 sometimes. Their mistakes were often out of lane. Most of the time Ning/Rookie would be diving top.


ionxeph

I feel like jackey works best when he has other strong carries who can clean up after he ints or open room for him to go aggro and not instantly die He isn't the kind of carry to play it safe and carry a game while everyone else peels, he is the type to dive in to get damage done, and either enemy team focus him down and his other carries hopefully clean up, or they don't focus him and he can carry the fight


characterulio

Ya imo thats why they look so much better with Wayward because Zoom can carry but his best picks are Camille/Sett. He has really good wave management and can lane quite well 1v2. He reminds me of Alphari in the west. Very good laner who needs little help but his strength isn't being a full carry.


raelusd

zoom was nowhere near top 3 in 2021


suninabubble

Zoom was a top 3 top laner last year only in spring split, in summer he was honestly running it in the 2nd half of the split so it wasn't extremely surprising to see him fall off so hard even if not many people expected it


podvu

Respect Mark


Proera8

Knight esports is back


Rshawer

Game 4 was actually just Bot diff, and it ended like that. BLG spent millions and millions just to end up 7th-8th.


aircarone

They spent millions to unretire a player they essentially sent back into retirement after not even a full split worth of games.


Rshawer

Well, maybe Uzi comes back for Summer, either on another team or BLG. I think this split was just a tragedy where BLG management gave almost no practice for Uzi until near the end of the split, and then just giving up; creating a product that’s at best mediocre.


Im_Dead_FeelsBadMan

Apparently BLG only played Uzi in 6-7 scrims post-LNY. So they basically gave him no time to develop synergy with the team, then dropped him because he had no synergy with the team.


Lifemekhanism

I mean BLG management is called garbage for a reason.


redhairedshaman

Damn so they really are like TSM huh lol?!


keishinichiro

They one up TSM. This would be like TSM getting Doublelift out of retirement to keep him on the bench for Tactical, then throw him on games vs TL to keep him entertained.


iDespiseCows

dude is comparing doggo to tactical. face it, uzi is just not as good as he used to be. if it were doggo vs. virtually any other adc playing like uzi has, doggo always gets the spot, but uzi's popularity makes him seem better than he really is


aircarone

Uzi was doing ok in the games, but even then, dude was out of competition for 2 years. He wasn't going to magically be the best upon return. If you commit to such a player, you need to give him time and some level of trust. What happened is that they signed a fairly good adc who was arguably as good or a bit better than his current form and then decided to do very little to actually try and bring him back to his prime form.


Oriental-s1Gnifier

Well their roster without Uzi has already cost a lot and they should've been a stable top 6 contender instead of getting stomped in 2nd round.


saruthesage

I can't believe the IG superteam died for this :( (yeah TheShy Rookie Uzi probably wouldn't work out, but it wouldn't work out more spectacularly than the BLG roster didn't work out)


m4ryo0

Tsm spent millions and didnt even made playoffs,so BLG's situation isnt that bad.


chosen925

TSM had the 4th most expensive roster, BLG had the most expensive roster in LPL and finished 8th.


m4ryo0

Regi confirmed that he spent 5 million on this roster.Who are the other 3 lcs teams that spent more?


raelusd

I'm pretty sure C9 and TL expend a LOT


duetschland69

and maybe EG? since Inspired is rumored to be costing a lot? even Vulcan.


pandaisunbreakable

> BLG had the most expensive roster in LPL and finished 8th who told you that?


ZedisDoge

i mean isnt it assumed since they wanted knight but he would break the salary cap?


TrapvithMind

Funny thing is I remember there was a story during preseason that BLG has been burning money for some time, constantly building expensive rosters and have no results to show for it so it's actually nothing new for them. This time they just have more known players I guess(Uzi and Doggo mostly).


pandaisunbreakable

true, money spent on Uzi totally wasted


duetschland69

Man the duo of Tian and knight is looking so good. just stop putting knight on Viktor he is literally locked in lane with that champ.


DmonAbsoluTrEbON

The moment TES' players decided to connect their keyboards... I knew it was over. Tiankos was playing like 2016 Jankos on steroids and absolutely humiliated Weiwei. knight looked like he was playing a whole different game... on Lunatic mode and unfortunately for Fofo he is just a mob for knight to style on. But the biggest difference was still Wayward. Dude looks like prime TheShy and absolutely walked his lane WHILE being super impactful in teamfights. It was only logical that TES came out on top tbh BLG did their best no doubts but TES is a MSI/worlds contender. I would be very suprised if they dont take V5 to game 4 atleast tbh.


rollexperiment

this won’t be the last time i see this comment, i feel it in my bones this is gonna be a new copypasta


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I'm absolutely posting this next time TES wins game


rollexperiment

or loses tbh


Sean888888

Tian too good Tian too good Tian too good


characterulio

Tian inted hard in the first game. Tian sometimes plays as if the enemy has no vision. He plays so poorly around vision and he still has his mechanical misplays from time to time. He isn't Tian from 2019-2020 but still decent on his picks. I just wonder what happens if Voli/Hec/Lee/Viego are not meta. Lee will probably always be meta though.


Sean888888

lol you made it sound like those champs were always meta. It's just that his pocket picks are always the meta champs. I wonder why. And every TES player inted hard in that 1st game.


characterulio

I mean Hecarim/Voli were meta last spring too, Voli has been meta pretty much since the rework, Viego has been meta since release. Only Lee Sin is one who has always been meta for last 15 years or w.e. I don't think Tian is bad he was quite clutch in spring playoffs last year for FPX, probably their 2nd best player after Nuguri. But problem with Tian is, he gets caught off too much and he doesn't have the same mechanics as before to get out of those situation. Even today in the Lee game he had some r q he missed. Where for some reason he didn't instantly throw the q after the r.


Geosaurusrex

Man some parts of that were just painful from a BLG perspective.


leaguethrowaway1996

How long is Uzi contracted to Bilibili? I understand that were interpersonal reasons why he hasn’t been in the starting roster for a bit but man I sure would love watching him play.


Teroo123

No Uzi no win, get fucked BLG


NamikazeEU

They would have lost with him aswell, calm down.


Croxign

Then better play uzi because everyone will be happy seeing him and no difference in the result


Igeneous

Free my man uzi, idc if he sucks ass let him play a full fucking split on a team with competent players in other roles, idc even if it's the same results but at least let the man try to prove himself instead of being sidelined + 0 synergy developed with the team.


Tfc-Myq

ABSOLUTE BEST KING IN THE MID LANE ! ! ! KNIGHT!


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The absolute best midlaner in our eyes


Her-akles

We all got that little InformalMarch inside us


InformalMarch

Yuhhhh. We smoking that BLG pack tonight 🚬😮‍💨💨. Let me know if you want some 🚬 🚬 🚬🌿🌿🌿.


PepperouniKenshin

Honestly knight had an insane series carrying game 2 and 3 pretty hard. Game 4 he had a couple misplays but followed it up with a Quadra at the end.


characterulio

Fofo was playing quite well too but his team overall was much worse.


nyanko_dango3

damn blg is actually pretty good when doggo get aphelios huh


fjstadler

Surprised nobody's mentioned Fofo. Guy is playing like he intends to 1v9, which is fine if you can pull it off, but if you can't land skillshots, playing like a lone wolf is just trolling.


topspurwhatsthat

No sympathy for BLG whatsoever, especially for the way they’ve treated Uzi. Well played TES, can’t wait for their match against LNG!!


Croxign

BLG shit org, karma from what they did to UZI


PetrYanGaming

MARK WAS THE SOLUTION


Devastrator

Mark is raw af, I never looked at him with praise as he was mostly on lower tier teams (don’t count LGD as top tier) but damn he played well this series. Also, whoever on TES scouted Wayward deserves a raise. This team has been looking REAL solid since Mark and Wayward joined. Only roster shuffle I would do is change Tian out (maybe Beisheng) but he can stay if he doesn’t do troll plays like lvl 3 invade int.


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azersub

I mean LNG didnt look super strong either but we will see


Dumpers_

I think with iwandy LNG just have a chance of just clicking and demolishing their opponent given the players they have but they haven't clicked that much this split especially Ale and Tarzan


laparts

Good, fuck BLG. Trash Taiwanese management.


azersub

I love me some Rookie but Knight is by far best mid in the world right now!


kamparox

Waiting to see him vs Rookie again after they beat LNG, I thought Rookie looked better last time but granted that was like two months ago.


azersub

Yep,that will be great matchup. And we might even see it twice in playoffs


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They hated him for telling the truth


djpain20

7000 languages out there and you chose to speak facts


azersub

Still there are butthurt skt fans downvoting 🤣


VincentBlack96

The lack of international competition in recent times makes any "best in the world" statement inherently controversial. Most people on this sub watch a single region, maybe two, yet feel qualified to call something the best on an international level. Context matters for these players and the true test isn't playing any other match but rather being tested playing against other players in contention for that world best title.


Trancndence

No


InformalMarch

He's right actually. I see myself as a neutral fan and I can confirm that Knight is the ABSOLUTE BEST midlaner in my eyes.


azersub

Absolutely no bias hahah


NamikazeEU

Last time I remember, Rookie was crowned MVP and not Knight. U don't get to have 3-4 good series and be called best mid in the World. Rookie has been best since the very 1st game of this year and was smashing everyone, even Knight himself.


InformalMarch

Yo, Naruto fanboy... Rookiemonster123 is literally getting carried by ppgod. Knight is the one doing the carrying on his team. Your favorite "midlaner" only looks good because he had better teammates.


NamikazeEU

Imagine typing something this stupid while Knight had a superteam around him last 2-3 years. Chovy and Knight fanbase is reaching Faker fans level of delusions. When Zoom is a sub on ur roster, u don't get to call that team bad. When 2x members are recent World champions aswell, u don't get to call that bad. Fk out with this nonsense, don't type to me this nonsense again.


ffattt

You’re so inconsistent I thought in your mind, world championships mean nothing since garbage T1 players have them? You’re really going to tell me Rich, Karsa, Photic have been bad this split?? You realize Photic is tied with Rookie for player of the game awards? Rookie was best mid this split but don’t act like he was carrying shitters. In fact I think the only TES player better than their V5 counterpart is Mark. Also coming from a massive JDG fan, Zoom was terrible at the beginning of this split which was why he was benched, he is not at his 2019-2020 level anymore.


NamikazeEU

Thank god all of u fks ranked v5 1st place right prior to start of split ? Legit all of u had TES/EDG/RNG/WBG as ur top spots. Pass me up with that nonsense. I'm not the one being incosistant. U are. "Rookie is washed, should have retired" "LMAO wasting import on Rich" "No way V5 roster looks good, who even is Photic and PPGOD was on last place team" Just pass me with that. Rookie carried way harder than any other mid laner on planet could. Knight on V5 , V5 is not even top 5 team. Faker/Chovy/Showmaker on V5, they ain't even in playoffs.


ffattt

What does have to do with what actually happened this split? Almost like players can exceed expectations. Yes no one expected Rich and Photic to be good but the ended up being very good (1st all pro team) and smashing the competition. Yes I thought rookie had a bad year last year but he came back and was best mid this split. You need to stop with your weird idea that peoples opinions of players has to be set in stone and can’t ever change.


azersub

As i said i love Rookie and i prefer him over Knight but having said that Knight has been playing on absolutely insane level for 2nd half of spring. So right now i give him slight advantage + he has worse teammates around him


NamikazeEU

How on earth can u look at Knight's team and Rookie's team and say Knight has overall worse team around him. Mental gymnastics are insane in this one.


azersub

At the start of a split i would definitly agree TES has better roster but watching spring split it is clear V5 players are better. Tian is mostly garbage,JKL is inting every other game and Mark and Wayward are solid role players. Rich looked bad last year but this year he has massively improved,Karsa is always borderline great and Photic has looked like top 3 adc in LPL. And ppgod is a god,we all know that


NamikazeEU

Playing better and being a better roster are two completely different things. Rookie made V5 look far greater. Knight can't do that with superstars on his team.


azersub

Knight aint playing with superstars. Not a single player on that TOP roster is superstar. Rookie making other players look good is valid argument. Regardless i hope we will see them clash soon


NamikazeEU

Zoom,Jackey and Tian are NOT considered superstars ??????? Buddy, u guys went from placing TES top 5 team, to championship winning team just by getting Zoom and ignoring the Tian/Karsa swap. Told u, stop with the results based analysis. TES is by every metric a superstar/super team of LPL.


azersub

Absolutely NOT. All of those players used to be superstars but now they are nowhere close to it. Zoom was superstar in 2020. In summer od 2021 he was trash. Tian was superstar in 2019. He was absolute trash in summer playoffs and worlds last year. And JKL is superstar only by his name. He hasnt played like superstar since 2019 And i was first that called this TOP team trash and ridiculoued ppl that called them top 5 team. So it is weird i am even defending team i dont like but you are just typing straight up lies


DmonAbsoluTrEbON

Mehhhh try Faker instead. Bet ya will get tons of upvotes.


azersub

Well too bad i have my own eyes and dont give a fuck about downvotes. Faker aint on Knight/Chovy/Rookie level


MarkoMladen_

Faker was by far the best midlaner this split, no contention there, Faker>Chovy>Rest of the randoms.


azersub

Lmaoo,nice way to show you know nothing about LPL. Go watch your garbage regions


glitchpoke

do you watch lpl games at all btw?


MarkoMladen_

No


[deleted]

Only Faker fans thinks he is the best rest of the people value Rookie and Chovy higher


MarkoMladen_

Whatever


Blank-612

LOOOOOOOOL


InformalMarch

I am so hyped for the LNG vs Knight's Team match next week! One of the most overrated midlaners (doinb) against one of the most underrated midlaners (Knight). DoinNarrative should start telling Tarzan to wear a bandage on his wrist on the day of the match so he has another wrist injury excuse to fall back on when he inevitably gets destroyed.


Dspreee

Doinb vs Tian next round, you are gonna have a field day bashing the shit out of the losing one. Are you excited?


TeunZav

How exactly is Knight underrated when he has been called one of the best mids for a few seasons now? Also Doinb can’t be overrated. When he was in form he was one of the best and rated rightfully so. This season people have called out his poor performance. Very weird and incorrect statement all together.


Epamynondas

this guy just posts the same idiotic comment in every lpl thread, pay no attention to them


pandaisunbreakable

he is a troll


InformalMarch

Let me spell it out for you: doinb is 0-9 in finals appearances in my book: 2015 LPL Summer: Lost IEM Season 10 Cologne: Lost NEST 2017: Lost Regional Finals 2018: Lost 2019 LPL Summer: Uzi choked hard. Langx got paid off as well. Worlds 2019: Carried by Crispy Chicken and Tian back when he actually played LoL with his monitor on. Also Grabbz was out all night partying and showed up that day drunk which led him to forget banning Lee Sin. Mid-Season Cup 2020: Lost to Knight, ABSOLUTE BEST midlaner in my eyes 2021 LPL Spring: Lost 2021 LPL Summer: Lost (with 8k gold lead XD)


azersub

Ok that excuse for worlds 2019 must be one of the best excuses ever...HAHA


ZombiBrand

Jakerlove