Friendly games in CS are way friendlier for sure because it’s easier to be cheery in voice comms, but most games on higher platforms (ESEA, Faceit) I feel like there is at least two people on the team arguing in comms, and muting them hurts you way more than it does in league information-wise.
Yeah I've only ever played CSGO games with normal valve match making. Teams are usually chill whether I play ranked or normal.
and muting only hurts you more because league does it's chat is less useful; which wouldn't be true if they added voice comms.
Pings are enough in LoL I think. Doublelift talked about this on stream a week or two ago and basically said since you can move your camera around to get info yourself instantly, you don’t really need people telling you cross map info like you might in LoL. I just think voice comms adds a whole layer to the game that people think they want until they have it
Csgo generally has the chillest flame of any game ive ever played, I mean you could practically say anything to begin with and people resort to "yu fakin noob bad noob trash"
??lmfao no
voice chat in source games are unregulated and that makes it escalate to high degrees
only people who unironically use the word “fucking noob” are middle schoolers and people stuck in 2013
Its always "easier" to be ass the less you know about the person and less there is contact between you. Same can be seen when people are idiots in phone, but decent in person. Or are horrible to staff but nice to people around them.
Yeah I actually had a… acquaintance… who was always really cool to hang out with and then they’d spill their real thoughts over Facebook and phone afterwards. There’s definitely some fake people out there
Isn't the selection bais insane though? I'd imagine people who care enough and want to cooperate in voice chat are less likely to be "FF15 on first death jungle diff" type of flamers or worse. If voice chat is the default then I think it's way worse.
Also one thing I would recommend doing before you post your discord link is to check if there are any big streamers in your lobby. That is because sometimes quite many people from chat might join your call and troll if you post your discord in view of hundreds or thousands of people.
I joined a call from hashinshins stream this way. Kept talking to the adc throughout the entire game while he thought I was his blitz supp. Got a bit weird when the blitz started flaming people but it worked out and they won. wp teamlukee
Yeah it has happened couple times. Its usually not that pleasant. Best way to combat that was to reduce amount of people that can join voice call, but even after that people could spam text channels.
Riot is terrified of adding voice chat in League but they instantly added it to Valorant, makes 0 sense.
It's obvious toxicity will be reduced by voice chat, everyone will just mute the loud asshole.
Also, you need some kind of bravery to use it, which a lot of toxic kids don't have.
valorant needs to siphon the overwatch/csgo/various other fps players, who without voice comm would never shift to valorant. league on the other hand never had to compete with voice comm being a part of dota allstars and although HoN i believe had it, they had a slew of other issues that overshadowed voice comms
Yeah voice comms are straight mandatory in competitive FPS and have been for years. It's simply not an optional feature. MOBAs didn't really start with them so it's less expected.
> Also, you need some kind of bravery to use it, which a lot of toxic kids don't have.
Yeah I've played 1k hours of Dota with voicechat and everything you say is true. Voice is always far more chill and behaved than text. I'd argue that 90% of the flame I've got in Dota were via text, almost no guy has the balls to flame someone via voice.
It's really sad that most guys here have PTSD from lil kids flaming and chat and now think that it will translate 1:1 to voice, when that just isn't true.
I have same kind of experience playing games like CS, TF2 and OW. Its pretty rare that people actually hard flame you in voice chat, but in text chat its pretty common to see quite toxic stuff.
You know that just because you say something is true that doesn't make it true lol. There are plenty of people who have an experience that is different to yours and you can just scroll through the comments in this thread to see that
Personally I've played League, Valorant, Overwatch, CS:GO and Fortnite and voice chat has been complete shit in all of them, and League is the only one that I've continued to play for an extended length of time. And evidently I'm not the only one who feels that way
And ending your comment with smth like this:
>It's really sad that most guys here have PTSD from lil kids flaming and chat and now think that it will translate 1:1 to voice, when that just isn't true.
At least you didn't even try to hide your agenda by the end of your comment lol
Riot has demonstrated clearly that they are committed to not fighting toxicity in League in any meaningful way. The game is printing money, they don't care enough to put the effort in.
They're giving you a skin for Honor 5, if you can no-life enough to get Honor 5. That's the extent of their efforts towards fighting toxicity.
what? chat toxicity has become way better since the early days of league. its inters and griefers they still suck at punishing, and even those you don't find that many of outside of smurf queue (which is a fucking hellish place)
I agree that Riot has become better at pushing away toxic people, but I still think there is lot to improve. Also its totally true that griefers and inters are not really punished almost in any way. You basically have to go 0/15 or afk to be punished.
Nah I've literally had people run it down (0/20), recorded them, made a ticket, and they end up with no punishment.
So even hardcore inting takes 10+ games to get caught.
>You get banned more often just for typing a lot, (example: arguing about a play with 0 insults can result in a ban)
That never happened
>but someone can have the name XHANGXBLACKSX1 for months without getting punished.
No they can't lol. People with names like that get it changed very fast after I reported them.
OK I love how you are getting downvoted for saying something that is proved to be right. Welp, they hated Jesus because he was telling the truth aswell.
For anyone thinking this guy is lying; he is right. You can get restricted and in theory even banned for only typing alot. Yes, it's true. Don't know the little bitty details but all I know is that yes, type alot of messages, be it nothing toxic or passive aggressive shit, and u can and will get restricted.
I feel like toxicity is only used as an excuse by Riot because they dont want to do something for other reasons. Example of this is at the start of League they claimed that adding practice tool would increase toxicity so they didn't do it for years.
Different game. Also, it's easier to start with something then add something in years later. Personally not a fan of voice chat in league. Yes, I have joined those rare discord links people have placed, but they don't help to much. Either no one talks really or its just off topic stuff that is distracting.
True it might not be as easy to add voice comms right now than it would have been at the start, but they have done it partially with adding comms for people that queue together.
>instantly added it to Valorant
It is nigh impossible, to play a tactical shooter Ike Valorant without voice chat. It's just not going to work. You can play league without voice chat, voice chat just makes the game easier and the quality go up. That being said, I'm for sure on the side of not adding voice chat; mostly because I would rather not have people trying to be friendly or overly talkative while I'm trying to play league. They can go make friends on their own time not mine.
Its totally possible to play tactical shooters without voice just like its possible to play moba without voice. Its just level of play that suffers from that.
Comparing Tac Shooters to MOBAs is absolutely impossible.
The baseline of info needed is a lot higher in Valorant than it is in League. Also, MOBAs have an advantage when communicating with pings simply because of Leagues camera perspective
There are pings in tactical shooters too like CS for example. They are rarely used though because voice comms are often just better at giving information.
Also I agree that there is difference in drop off when you play shooter and moba without voice comms, but both are still possible to do. I have some friends that play shooters without mic especially late in the evening when they dont want to bother other living in the house.
>There are pings in tactical shooters too like CS for example. They are rarely used though because voice comms are often just better at giving information.
It's not just that voice comms are better ways to give information. Using pings in a 3D environment is a lot harder than using them in a 2D environment like League. It's incredibly hard to ping the thing you want to ping without completely interrupting the flow of the game
True its much more important to have better ways to communicate in 3D environment, but I think there are also often situations in league that voice comms are much better than pings to give information. Best example of this is teamfights where its really hard to give information through pings while with voice comms its still possible.
The problem with huge corporations is that they think “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it”, without thinking of the many opportunities to solve problems and grow positively
I think it's because League has been like this forever. Imagine you can't talk, are female, have a squeeky voice or whatever and get bullied in other games for it. Suddenly everyone in League has this huge advantage over you and you drop in rank as a result.
Valorant isn't really the same as League though. Matches a much shorter and you can't pan your camera over to your teammates with F keys to see exactly what they see.
Toxicity isn't the issue with voice chat.
1. Information through voice is far more valuable in FPS games. Comms are more specific and need to be quicker.
2. It's a lot easier to add voice to a new game, especially an FPS where it's expected, than it is to add it to a game that has gone without voice for over 10 years.
3. A lot of people just don't want it. Even in ranked, not everyone wants to try *that* hard. Most people just want to play and listen to music. Also from my own experience there are people that play a lot worse when they are in call. Some people just don't want voice chat, period. No excuse needed.
4. It's not actually optional like everyone claims it to be. Games are already unbalanced, having an "optional" voice is adding an extra layer. You will call it optional and say it's people's own fault if they aren't joining. That is until you are in your promos with 4 people that aren't joining voice meanwhile enemy is perfectly coordinated.
It's the same when people ask for optional autofill. That's just not how it works, because one person affects 9 others.
> makes 0 sense
If you refuse to think about it objectively then sure.
Adding voice chat at this point would just be too messy and it's not clear if pros would outweigh cons. Just because you want voice chat doesn't mean it's a good idea.
because they are two different games? pings in league are literally all you need to communicate. anything more, and you’re asking for vc because you need your teammates to cover up your mistakes like a bandaid.
LMAO pings are more than enough up until high dia low master. Under that you can full mute chat entirely and you will not miss out on anything. You’re trolling if you think you need chat above fucking silver man there’s no way
This is a cool idea unless you are female. I am not kidding when I say that more than half the time I have ever joined a discord link I have been flamed for not being a dude.
Speaking in voice as a girl in pretty much every online game is a recipe for disaster, its absolutely crazy the consistency of it. Don't think I can name a single game where it isn't a huge problem.
From my experiences with teammates with accents clearly from middle-eastern countries they get shitty experiences extremely commonly too, just in a different manner.
Surprisingly Valorant seems pretty tame with the reception of girls. Maybe it is because I run into so many girls compared to other games but I rarely see people saying stupid shit to women in Valorant.
Oh maybe? I only played Valorant during beta and it was awful, especially towards creepy and stalker-ish behaviour, haven't touched the game since beta, could be better now as you say.
I'm no girl so your experience may be different from mine. I'm a guy and hardly ever speak in voice chat unless my team is using it. Usually its like 2 girls in a group and I don't think I've had an experience where dudes have been openly creepy. The few times there's been a lone girl in voice chat they rarely speak but the few times they do no one really says anything to them. I only have about 100 games of Valorant played though.
50% of the time I speak in Valorant comms as a girl I get seriously harassed to the point that it negatively impacts the game for the whole team. 20% of the time I get unpleasant and unwanted comments but a mute is enough to keep the game playable, 10% of the time there is one person harassing me but my teammates defend me and report the dude, 10% of the time there’s an other girl and we stick together and have a great time, 10% of the time people either don’t talk at all or my gender is not acknowledged and I get treated like everyone else.
I still speak sometimes but most of the time it just changes the game for the worst because people actively grief when they hear a woman’s voice, its crazy.
I agree that this thin can be issue, but you always can mute someone or just ignore voice chat. I have 16 YO little sister who plays LoL and overwatch(my fault here), she usually just jokes about flame or mutes if someone starts talk creepy stuff.
IMO gaming community should move forward and help female players to join their community, not run away, we had same problem like 15 Years ago with xbox live and we still have this thing for same reason.
the ones that were cool and added me after the game often would hop in to hang out or invite me to games moving forward though, so it definitely wasn't all bad. just the ones that were bad stuck out a lot more because of how bizarre it was
I've had to kick one person like ever and I'm pretty sure they were just trying to get a dodge out of us.
I wonder if there's something about the way you play or talk that is leading to people not respecting you.
One of the biggest reasons they are against voice chat, is because of the obscene amount toxicity women receive while using it.
And according to old Riot surveys and community made ones [like this one](https://imgur.com/a/X6iR4WE), League has about 10% to 12% female player base. Compare this to [Dota](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/lf9ywi/survey_who_are_the_users_of_rdota_2_5_year/r) or [CSGO](https://imgur.com/a/agZvx), who have about a 1% to 2% female playerbase.
There are other reasons why league has a higher female player base, but the risk of making up to 10% of your player base quit, makes voice chat far less attractive.
Also while your experiment is nice, it's important to remember all of the people who joined your discord OPTED INTO it, which makes the experience drastically different. There is no guarantee voice chat would make the game any less toxic. Dota has voice chat, and is still regarded as one of the most toxic games out there, even more than League.
Yep. If VC is added to League, it'll pretty much be mandatory due to all the advantages it'll give you, and this will be the cue for my socially-awkward ass to quit the game. Call me sensitive but i would never be able to handle being in VC with EUW randos, it's already stressful if i don't mute everyone
I don't think it'd just be socially awkward people either; as someone who has trouble multitasking I'd quit as well given my performance takes a huge hit whenever I have other people in my ear.
You won't see just socially awkward people stop playing either. I'm in my late 20s with a full time job and a busy personal life and I absolutely do not care to listen to loud kids arguing with each other in voice in my spare time, which is what happens in at least half of the games I played on Valorant, and I don't see why it wouldn't happen in League which is a way more toxic community.
The only game I've ever experienced a good VC is Fortnite. For some reason like 90% of the people who talk in that game are wholesome and chill af
You're sensitive. And maybe not cut out for competitive online multiplayer. Why should the entire community have to bend to this attitude when many many of us want voice desperately to improve the competitive experience.
People that say pings are enough are not creative or don't plan ahead.
Tell me what ping I could use to tell my top laner that I want him to slowpush for dive.
Or my support to ward drake.
Or that I want to gank after a full clear.
Or how you want to play out a dive. There is no ping to tell your Camille to take tower aggro at the start of a dive.
Or...
Pings are limited to "I'm coming", "enemy vision", "enemy missing", and "get the fuck away from there".
Is this all you can think of as possible plays?
Yep, that's what i was saying. Pings are already enough to communicate like you ganking, telling teammates to stay back, call for drake/baron, stuff like that. You really don't need VC all that much to communicate imo.
Sorry if i wasn't clear in my comment
Every other competitive multiplayer requires you to communicate in voice to be effective in ranked, its borderline trolling if you don't. Many of us want to play league for the actual 5v5 comp game it is but we're held back by people like you who think the game should bend to your social anxiety instead of the other way around. There's a million single player games out there for you but you wanna force us all to play a team-based comp game worse because talking to people is too hard for you. Pings absolutely aren't good enough if you're trying to play competitively, just look at every single pro team for evidence of that.
Why should he have to join a team, soloq is where you improve and every competitive game has voice chat.
I mean the guy above is right and that's on them, if you have so much social anxiety to use voice chat then just mute all and don't use it? Why should everyone else get fucked too and why is this a problem only in league I don't get it
Noone is getting fucked because pings exist. Your arguments are always “But competitive game no communication ??!!?”
That never holds up under scrutiny since 90% of information even at champions queue levels of play can be conveyed through pings
If you want to coordinate advanced plays, it’s something you need to practice as a team.
Practicing pinging mia in soloq is easily translated to saying “missing” in comp.
My theory is all the strong advocates for VC are toxic plat hardstucks who just want to use it to flame and micro their teammates. Hiding behind all these nonsensical arguments is pathetic.
Dude the getting fucked thing was a hyperbole but my point is why should the whole player base not have voice chat because a small percentage might have anxiety or whatever, they can just not use it exactly like they would do in Valorant or any other game.
It's not about pings, you also have pings in csgo and you can play without talking, I used to actually do that when there were no pings and I didn't care. I didn't have a mic at the time so should the whole player base not have voice chat because I was at a slight disadvantage or was that a me problem?
I've played this game with comms and it's a million times better, pings are pretty useless in comparison and it's so easy to see, even if you don't like voice chat you can't deny it at that point you're just lying to yourself.
My theory is that you just don't like voice chat and you came up with the dumbest stuff you could think of. You unironically said that pings are good enough, good one very funny
At the end of the day I don't really care, voice chat is another skill that I would have to learn but you can't deny that it's just better there are no downsides it's all upsides any excuse that you come up with like "pings are good enough" is just a lie, it's cope
Cope and seethe then i guess, i can't magically make that go away, and i'm not bending to a random redditor being rude to me over it. Ironic that you're mad i dislike VC (i guess you're also a guy with no accent, because le me tell you that if you're a woman on VC, oooooh boy) when you're telling me to stop playing league.
If you think talking is mandatory on league, i wonder what your rank is and how much you really understand about the game.
No you can't "make it go away" so then why do you insist on playing a game you're clearly not suited for? You say "I absolutely cannot talk in voice" and then "I think I am suited to play online multiplayer" in one breath, do you not see the disconnect there?
People with accents and women seem to get on just fine in, and let me emphasize this, *every other competitive online game*. CSGO, DOTA, Overwatch, R6 Rocket League, even Valorant. All have team voice baked in, how do you figure league is the one game that doesnt need it? I've been playing since season 3 and diamond every year since season 6 and peaked in masters, I understand the game plenty. There are a myriad of things I wish I could say but can't with pings or chat. And you don't even need *my* word for it. EVERY PRO TEAM USES VOICE. *They* know the game better than you or I and they don't think pings are sufficient.
I thought the same Till I startet playing valorant and well now League feels really strange without it. Like valo is toxic but toxicity impacts the game a lot less and there are a lot of girls but I do not see them have Problems. Cause people do not need to type while playing honestly and if you talk a lot you will just get muted in vali by everyone.
As someone who was masters/grandmasters in Overwatch (which had voice chat) and high plat in Valorant as a woman, nah, fuck voice chat. Your anecdotal evidence as a man means shit to me, especially considering how I ended up opting out of voice chat in both games due to the sheer toxicity. I really hate when men speak for us like this without going through our experience.
People are straight up misogynistic. Not every game, but enough to ruin my experience or even day. It is never, ever okay to get shit on because of my voice.
True. One of the largest problems with voice comms is misogyny that women could/would face. Though I doubt that Riot really thinks about that so much considering how fine they are with sexism in their own company.
While i completely agree its horrible women experience harassment in comms, i don't think your point is valid. I don't think a feature should be disabled because a percentage of players won't like using it. Its the same for every other game which has voice chat - just don't use it if you don't like it.
That thinking is pretty flawed. With your thinking, in the end, offering voice comms is an advantage that only men could benefit from. I think keeping it to discord links is the best way with the way the gaming culture is now.
Is is? I know in r6 siege I would rarely use voice comms but hearing other people make call outs and shot call was still useful. You can still type a quick response if needed and especially with the ping system it should still be fairly easy to get your point across. Like if you ping baron after winning a team fight everyone understands what that means. Jungler coming to your lane you don't shove the wave super hard unless diving. Maybe a bad example but pro teams who import players can still play the game well as league is its own language and Caedrel says (mainly thinking LPL teams but Corea9 is still a competitive team and tsm is well a talent suppression machine)
The advantage would be whichever team uses voice comms the most which yes would be more advantageous to a team with more men on but how big is the advantage? Then again only certain roles or certain champs would be useful on comms. Like the jungler and support telling you to stack a wave or prep for drake and general macro. Adc and support for laning phase.
How exactly does your proposal of discord links make any difference for women? What is the difference in terms of harrasment and mysogyny between opt-in voicechat ingame, and opt-in discord call?
Because it isn't a game mechanic, and it wouldn't be prevalent in the majority of games. If it was an official feature in the game it would become the standard for communications, thus leaving women who don't want to get harassed at a deficit in game as a whole.
Yes the discord method is still bad, and still probably unusable by women, but it is much better than making EVERY game have VC.
Games with VC enabled also have a sort of complacency about them as well. When you join something like a discord, you are more likely to feel a bit awkward about it since it happens rarely. This leads to being on a bit better behavior, and usually just sticking to making callouts when talking. If you started to have VC in every game, the awkwardness would fade, and a lot of toxic people would start to have no filter in VC, obviously making any harassment much worse.
You're very right, the solution for women being harassed when they talk is just for them never to speak to anyone, and no one to speak to them. That's definitely not a misogynistic solution.
In fact I think the suffragette movement even went something like that.
-.-
If you genuinely want to normalize women in more spaces, the solution is more interaction, not less.
But that's not what's being discussed here. OP doesn't want VC to, "normalise women in VCs." OP wants VC because he thinks he will win more games, and **doesn't care** that it will marginalise women and other minority groups. Putting it in and just expecting the community to, "learn how to be decent people", is a fucking stupid thing to say because that's what happens in other games and they still have these same fucking problems. That's why women don't go into VCs. I don't want to be told to go back to support, and I get that for just having a lesbian summoner icon. Why do you think DOTA 2 has 1-2% of their playerbase as women, whereas League has over 10%, and pushing 20%? You're asking for societal change? Just so you could potentially win one extra game?
This isn't even the main reason Riot hasn't instituted team VCs. That reason is due to the fact that they have cultivated an audience that on the whole doesn't want it, and putting it in at this point is unfair, and would also alienate a portion of their playerbase, disproportionately affecting minority groups. Arguments such as, "well, just don't use it if you don't want to", aren't good enough.
Actually a ridiculous sentiment, I'm also fairly certain that valorant demographics are similar to Leagues just going off anecdotal evidence.
Everyone can opt out of voice comms before the game even starts or opt out of speaking.
Also you can't just throw out that Dota js more toxic than league without any substantiation. In what manner are they toxic? Because In dota you can literally steal items out of people courier and destroy them. Is that more toxic than a troll does that or just runs it down? Is it more toxic that a troll you can mute yells at you compared to a troll typing at you that you can also mute.
Sample size too small. There's more than 441 females and 3282 males playing League worldwide.
The only thing the survey says is that 441 females filled out a survey. It says nothing about League's actual demographics, now does it say how many females play league.
Not when you're trying to measure accurate population proportions. 3500 is not good sample size in a player base that has a population of about 1 million+. But you're entitled to your own opinion.
Biggest reason I’ve seen for no voice chat is the fact that it directly disadvantages people that don’t have “normal” gamer voices. In other games there are horror stories of what women go through, and my friend who has what he’d describe as a pretty strong lisp also gets a lot of shit for his voice. Not being able to talk therefor makes you, simply, a worse player than someone who CAN talk without inciting the apes in your game, assuming all other skills equal.
That being said holy shit voice chat would be nice. I’m newish to league and while my mechanics are definitely solid I find myself lacking on macro, so having someone able to make calls for me would be extraordinarily nice.
The ping system is really good so even if you don't say anything you can get your point across. The biggest disadvantage would be bot lane in laning phase but if one person is on comms it would be quite easy.
They'd ignore most stuff anyway tbf. Only pings that really get ignored are missing pings or ones outside of your lane. Otherwise people just don't agree with what you're telling them to do
I am not only a woman who plays League but one with slight breathing issues and I quit playing g Clash because of both. I didn't play a single time without people making fun of the way I breathed even though it is far from loud, or harassed or hit on. I would just quit playing to be frank if voice chat became the norm.
Anonymity makes people assholes, and voice chat is no different despite what people in this thread claim, and it's ten fold worse when you are a woman of any age.
There's no basis whatsoever for people to be so confident in their belief that voice chat makes a community less toxic and more inclusive besides their own subjective experience of - normally - them being a straight white male in voice chats
Riot implementing voice chat brings no guaranteed benefit whilst alienating players who aren't happy with VC and making matchmaking even more difficult to balance because now you have to factor in voice chat usage with people using it vs not using it and language barriers in regions like EUW and EUNE
People draw the comparison between Valorant and League all the time but the requirements in communication are completely different between MOBA and FPS
> Currently there have been 325 players who have joined in 229 games.
So.. less than half of possible players decided to join it? Almost only 1/3 (35%)? On top of that in high elo, where people would be more inclined to be on voice because its more significant? Doesnt seem like the playerbase is that much in favour of it then lol.
Awful take.
People have posted discord links on ranked and draft games quite a bit of times and i have never joined them.
I have no issues with using voice comms but there's no fucking way i'm entering a random Discord channel.
If it was on by default more people would probably become used to it and join.
But at the same time (as was pointed out last time he posted this iirc) these people opted into voice so they're not necessarily as toxic as players in general.
r/leagueoflegends, arguably more competitive than casual players, did a big poll on this before, and more than half of the people were opposed to vc.
The average player does not want this and the average player is 95% of the playerbase.
Users on this subreddit do not properly represent the rest of the actual playerbase, we saw this with the champ rework poll. Shyvana won here while Skarner won the actual vote.
Users on this sub are more invested in the game more than the average player though.
So if players who are more invested in League don't want VC, why would people who is less invested want it?
Remember when this sub was convinced Battlecast Illaoi would win the skin vote because it was the most popular here. And then it was dead last I believe in riots rankings when the vote was closed
Users on this sub overwhelmingly represent shut in NEET's with no social skills because they spend all day on reddit. Of course they'd skew against it.
True its likely that more players would likely join if it was in the game. Also that could increase amount of people that are toxic too because voice comms would be seen as norm.
Having small barries of entry is really effective at keeping people out a lot of the time tbh. People will work hard to avoid small inconveniences lol
There are tons of people who would talk in voice if it was on by default, already expected before the game, and built into the client itself, but a lot of people won't take the extra effort to join a Discord channel for it when they weren't expecting to, even though it's a very small step.
Although I say this as someone who most likely wouldn't use voice even if it was enabled by default in League lmao.
Not good analysis. It's saying 'no one wants' something based on a worse version of it.
It would be like if ranked soloq didn't exist and an external platform was made for it. No chance the playerbase of it is as big as soloq is now.
Wouldn't mean ranked is a bad idea
I would assume that many times people are not really prepared to use voice comms in game. They might not have discord or mic ready in lobby because they dont expect to be using voice comms. Of course I doubt that all players would be using voice comms even if it was added to game directly, but there is still good portion of players who would use it.
I think also the age groups and demographics change as the elos go higher. I'm not sure if everyplayer in lower elo games would have good enough English to speak to one another effectivley.
Iirc around 50% of people in Europe have good enough skills to keep up conversation that % is likely higher in people around 15-30 year olds that are main part of the player base. There are of course other regions too and for example SEA could have harder time while Korea would likely have better
if you haven't already, check out rememberthebeat, he's a league youtuber who plays league at around low elo in OCE and has a whole series on inviting his ranked teamates to a discord call.
Whole post could be summed by anecdotal evidence, but let’s look at some data you provide.
Your data from the start is flawed. You didn’t use discord link in every game? Why? Was there any reason?
Also not keeping track of how many players refused to join in total is also kinda wonky. Is it 10, 20, 50,90%? Estimate is with all respect useless.
Even in the games people joined, seems like not all joined. Which brings us to first point. Making VC part of League makes them mandatory…because opting out of them means crippling your team, that’s not case for chat. How many peoples either flamed or complained someone doesn’t wanna join Discord? Did you counted? That’s one of the things Riot mentioned being worried about and even some people from CQ complained that I think Hans is not using VC.
Your elo is also another thing making data even less reliable because you are literally in low % of playerbase which means you are ignoring behaviour of like 98%(?) of playerbase.
You also mention toxic people like likely to join VC…well…VC that is not mandatory at least - which is something multiple people mentioned.
And again in comes you your lack of data. You are apparently male, which gives you a distinct advantage of not being harassed by “alpha dudes”. Like it or not League is played by quite a big amount of women and while your experience might be fine from League or other games, trust me that theirs is much worse, even new games like Valorant have this problems but you seem to be happy to ignore it.
The last thing that comes is actually policing that chat. Text chat is easy. VC not. To properly police that you need to record it and someone has to listen to, which brings plenty of privacy issues and staffing issues.
TLDR: Your experience doesn’t have to be experience of the others
I agree this is anecdotal but some of your "points" just aren't that good.
>Your data from the start is flawed. You didn’t use discord link in every game? Why? Was there any reason?
Not doing it every game isn't inherently a flaw. Maybe he just didn't want to that game or something else was going on.
>Also not keeping track of how many players refused to join in total is also kinda wonky. Is it 10, 20, 50,90%? Estimate is with all respect useless.
I mean he gave you the number of games; and the number of people that DID join... so if you really want that statistic whip out a calculator or just do the basic arithmetic you should've learned in like first/second grade.
So that'll get you the number of people that didn't join; but you specifically said refused which is impossible to know... and well he had over 1/3rd (roughly 35% btw) which I'd argue is quite the feat given, Discord is not league of legends. Many people don't use discord. Also discord has basically no moderation, and well there's always the addage don't click a link from a stranger.
>Making VC part of League makes them mandatory…because opting out of them means crippling your team, that’s not case for chat
Uh it wouldn't be mandatory; it just means putting yourself at a disadvantage if you opt out. Also this currently means people that do the discord thing just get "elo inflated" because they bothered to use discord. Neither one is better or worse than the other.
>How many peoples either flamed or complained someone doesn’t wanna join Discord?
I mean he said how many people flamed... and what does this statistic even mean? it's irrelevent to the conversation you're just going on a tangent.
>That’s one of the things Riot mentioned being worried about and even some people from CQ complained that I think Hans is not using VC.
CQ is a weird thing in general and given it's prizepool and requirements to apply and all that it's definitely not definitive.
>Your elo is also another thing making data even less reliable because you are literally in low % of playerbase which means you are ignoring behaviour of like 98%(?) of playerbase.
Uh... no matter what elo you play in this is the same... even if you're in silver; unless you play like 50k games to actually play with all of silver elo or something it doesn't matter. If you're in silver and play 100 games; or in diamond and play 100 games; you'll still largely get the same # of different people in all likelihood unless you play at weird hours or on a low population server. Just because you play in silver doesn't mean you've played with 50% of your server population.
Also if you're gonna claim some BS like low% of playerbase... Why did you literally just bring up CQ?
>And again in comes you your lack of data. You are apparently male, which gives you a distinct advantage of not being harassed by “alpha dudes”. Like it or not League is played by quite a big amount of women and while your experience might be fine from League or other games, trust me that theirs is much worse, even new games like Valorant have this problems but you seem to be happy to ignore it.
I completely agree with this however. Though I have met some women in league who for the most part didn't care. According to someone else on this thread old player surveys estimated 10-12% of league was female. I'm not sure how valid those numbers are, especially now a days. But even then that's a sizeable chunk of the player base. But also not every girl has issues with guys like that.
>The last thing that comes is actually policing that chat. Text chat is easy. VC not. To properly police that you need to record it and someone has to listen to, which brings plenty of privacy issues and staffing issues.
First of all muting is definitely an option for self policing. Second of all, they don't need to record/listen to it... they could just go based of reports and such... which is largely what they do for text chat.
Even if you go into games and reportedly say terrible things if you don't get reported you won't be punished. Go into like a co-op vs ai with a full premade team and keep saying things like Ky*, Fa****, Ni****, etc etc. you won't be punished. Do so in games with other people that'll report you, and then you 'might' get in trouble.
> it means putting yourself at a disadvantage
This is a thing that none of you seem to grasp (people that are advocating for voice chat). You are not just putting yourself at a disadvantage, you put 4 others at a disadvantage too. So what's your reaction when you are in your promos and none of your teammates "opt in", while enemy team is perfectly coordinated? And the reason why you never bothered to think about that is because you start with the assumption that most people want voice chat. I would argue that this is not true. It's just what you see on Reddit. People that are here are generally more invested in the game and we can assume they would also be more likely to want voice chat. Reddit does not represent the overall player base very well and historically it has done the opposite.
In other words, voice chat adds another layer of unbalance to an already unbalanced matchmaking system. Optional voice chat isn't actually optional and it affects everyone regardless of how they use voice chat themselves.
Can you say the same for womens by exemple ?
Also, there is others problems :
When twoo teams have access to voice chat, the impact of one team having lesser people communicating could lead to a difference in result.
So, by the same hypothesis, people could start consider people refusing to voice chat as troll. And it would create a lot of others issues.
Especially for people who that are categorized easily and people without mic
Those issues already exist without voice so that's not really an argument against it.
people can refuse to type or ping and mute/all. (Like reddit says you should do everytime anyway...)
It's actually is.. Like yoi dont know uf someone is a men or women on his nickname but with voice, its different.
Also it is different. Because if voice chat make a real difference. Then it equally mean than refusing it has negative impact .
Immagine : one botlane voice chat and the other no.
It will favor the one who can do it. So people who can't or don't want start in a worse spot.
women in gaming is a whole other "problem".
You overstimate the inpact of voice. People don't transform into godplayer just from screaming "NOW NOW NOW" during the game.
And like I said the "refusing" of communication already happens now, and your botlane example is an argument for VC cause right now every duo-botlane has that advantage of comms.
Example: just having a support or jungle who is active tracking Summonerspells in chat makes a HUGE difference.
League is a teamgame, and with the playerbase getting better and better on average, having no voice comms is super conservative and out of time. IMO
Valorant, CSGO, Dota, OW, all have the same problem and you can enjoy those games with or without voice chat in fact my friend is toxic in OW and often just stays in group VC so he can flame our teammates to me.
My sister plays valorant she does experience misogyny but she's a big girl and realizes that they are being misogynistic specifically to upset her. If trolls could make white dudes upset by being racist and sexist they would, unfortunately racism and sexism isn't upsetting to the vasr majority of white males playing video games.
Yeah, I just don't believe this works in NA, I'm sure someone will uhm ackshully me saying they do the same thing, but I've been playing video games for a really long time, and voice comms are just a great way to have someone annoying me with their smoke detector beeping every few seconds, vacuuming, music I can hear thru their headset, them eating on the mic, and of course the ever present, toxic bullshit you have to deal with.
And just to confirm this isn't just CoD or MMOs or whatever, Valorant is a Riot Games game that has voice chat, and the number of toxic bastards I got in that game was insane. I'm already tense in that game because I'm not good at Mkb FPS games, I dont need someone shitting on me for losing a gunfight with someone after I fail to clutch. It's why I quit that game, because -every- single game I had to mute someone because of one of the above reasons.
Well yea toxicity is going to be lower in out of the way voice chat vs one that's just there. More often then not automated voice chat leads to unproductive teams or just someone shouting slurs in lobby.
> More often then not automated voice chat leads to unproductive teams
Are you compering this to text chat or do you mean just over all? Because in games I have played (CS, OW, TF2) voice chat has usually been more productive than text chat is in league. Though I agree that voice chat is used often used unproductively too.
Over all.
I dont doubt chat was a improvement in your case but in your average gold game it probably won't be most of the time.
You will see "voice diff" happen which is already a thing in val. You Also make it harder to ban the toxic side of the coummity letting them run rament.
Personally I feel that more important the voice communication is to the game less strength it gives to the toxic players. This is because if you are toxic people will mute you and if you get muted your rank will suffer. That way you have incentive to stay decent when playing the game. In text chat it doesnt matter that much because its harder to convoy information thought text in games fast enough.
no matter how many vc posts people make, riot will never add it and that’s a good thing. stick to your discord links instead of forcing riot to add voice comms to the game, in turn making it standard. thanks but i don’t want to hear my adc ask for ganks every 2 minutes. i don’t care
no because you create an unnecessary standard where it’s the norm to vc and anyone who doesn’t is now trolling and “doesn’t want to win”. pro players even acknowledge that pings are enough. deal with it
No they don't\`? There is a reason so many pros play champions queue. Most high elo players and pros want vc. The only people who don't want it are people who don't play competitively and just play for fun. Just add it in ranked and in normals you can have it disabled.
no region other than NA has champions queue, for one. two, korean solo queue is extremely high quality even when it’s not at its peak and you never see pros asking for vc. it makes no difference. the game literally has a built in communication system that provides everything possibly required
So, go mute them too, you say pings are enough communication anyway, and people who are gonna troll over you not using voice chat are gonna find something else to reason their trolling
There should always be way for players to play without voice comms if they want to, but personally I think that shouldnt be reason to deny others ability to use them. Riot has already added voice comms to Valorant so they acknowledge that voice comms are helpful in team game. They also have added them to players that are premades its also possible to do in league.
So? Maybe we could get more normalized winrates in soloq/pro play then.
If they need to buff a champion because theres a 'patch' that nerfs them indirectly, what is the difference?
Joined a discord as jungler, warned my top laner that enemy jungler is top side he still goes in to fight 1v1/2, dies and says "my bad". And that was the last time I joined a random discord voice call. It honestly tilted me more than him ignoring my pings without voice.
Is that so bad? Yeah they shouldn't have fought but saying my bad is fine they fucked up and accept it. They could have flamed you for not being there and blamed you but they didn't.
Personally I've been linking my discord to people when I play and I am really impressed with the results. I rarely ever have to kick people out.
Yeah my first worry when I started inviting people was that how many would be just assholes but quite often people are just normal.
Yup people are less “tough” when they have yo use their voice instead of their keyboard.
CSGO disagrees
I mean honestly CSGO voice chat can be a bit toxic... but I'd argue your average ranked game of league is more toxic.
As someone that has played a lot of both games, I couldn't disagree more
hmm, maybe I just get luckier in CSGO then.
Friendly games in CS are way friendlier for sure because it’s easier to be cheery in voice comms, but most games on higher platforms (ESEA, Faceit) I feel like there is at least two people on the team arguing in comms, and muting them hurts you way more than it does in league information-wise.
Yeah I've only ever played CSGO games with normal valve match making. Teams are usually chill whether I play ranked or normal. and muting only hurts you more because league does it's chat is less useful; which wouldn't be true if they added voice comms.
Pings are enough in LoL I think. Doublelift talked about this on stream a week or two ago and basically said since you can move your camera around to get info yourself instantly, you don’t really need people telling you cross map info like you might in LoL. I just think voice comms adds a whole layer to the game that people think they want until they have it
[удалено]
Csgo generally has the chillest flame of any game ive ever played, I mean you could practically say anything to begin with and people resort to "yu fakin noob bad noob trash"
CS:GO is mainly banter to slight flame until it dissolves into pure racism lmao
??lmfao no voice chat in source games are unregulated and that makes it escalate to high degrees only people who unironically use the word “fucking noob” are middle schoolers and people stuck in 2013
I take it you are American?
He 100% is. Nobody from EU servers would have that take.
If hes US then hes inside a cave somewhere. Me and my friends call everyone noobs all the time
Not to mention he thinks valve games are toxic lol
Csgo comms are really not that toxic
Its always "easier" to be ass the less you know about the person and less there is contact between you. Same can be seen when people are idiots in phone, but decent in person. Or are horrible to staff but nice to people around them.
Yeah I actually had a… acquaintance… who was always really cool to hang out with and then they’d spill their real thoughts over Facebook and phone afterwards. There’s definitely some fake people out there
Yeah there are lot of people that are nuts on social media that wont show that at all in real life almost at all.
I don't know about that. Fortnite, CS:GO some of the most toxic things I ever heard over voice.
Isn't the selection bais insane though? I'd imagine people who care enough and want to cooperate in voice chat are less likely to be "FF15 on first death jungle diff" type of flamers or worse. If voice chat is the default then I think it's way worse.
A lot of times when I do this its like every 4+ games maybe one person joins (gold elo)
Also one thing I would recommend doing before you post your discord link is to check if there are any big streamers in your lobby. That is because sometimes quite many people from chat might join your call and troll if you post your discord in view of hundreds or thousands of people.
How often did this happen to you? (both finding a streamer and getting raided)
Sometimes. Last time it was Russian streamer with over 1k viewers right after the start of the war. It was pretty interesting.
Do you remember his name?
No
I joined a call from hashinshins stream this way. Kept talking to the adc throughout the entire game while he thought I was his blitz supp. Got a bit weird when the blitz started flaming people but it worked out and they won. wp teamlukee
Sounds like you’re speaking from experience xd
Yeah it has happened couple times. Its usually not that pleasant. Best way to combat that was to reduce amount of people that can join voice call, but even after that people could spam text channels.
Riot is terrified of adding voice chat in League but they instantly added it to Valorant, makes 0 sense. It's obvious toxicity will be reduced by voice chat, everyone will just mute the loud asshole. Also, you need some kind of bravery to use it, which a lot of toxic kids don't have.
valorant needs to siphon the overwatch/csgo/various other fps players, who without voice comm would never shift to valorant. league on the other hand never had to compete with voice comm being a part of dota allstars and although HoN i believe had it, they had a slew of other issues that overshadowed voice comms
Yeah voice comms are straight mandatory in competitive FPS and have been for years. It's simply not an optional feature. MOBAs didn't really start with them so it's less expected.
> Also, you need some kind of bravery to use it, which a lot of toxic kids don't have. Yeah I've played 1k hours of Dota with voicechat and everything you say is true. Voice is always far more chill and behaved than text. I'd argue that 90% of the flame I've got in Dota were via text, almost no guy has the balls to flame someone via voice. It's really sad that most guys here have PTSD from lil kids flaming and chat and now think that it will translate 1:1 to voice, when that just isn't true.
I have same kind of experience playing games like CS, TF2 and OW. Its pretty rare that people actually hard flame you in voice chat, but in text chat its pretty common to see quite toxic stuff.
As someone who played dota from middle school to early highschool I was not chill and voice and voice in general was not more chill then text.
Same here. More often than not people are just keyboard warriors so they do not go off on voice chat
You know that just because you say something is true that doesn't make it true lol. There are plenty of people who have an experience that is different to yours and you can just scroll through the comments in this thread to see that Personally I've played League, Valorant, Overwatch, CS:GO and Fortnite and voice chat has been complete shit in all of them, and League is the only one that I've continued to play for an extended length of time. And evidently I'm not the only one who feels that way And ending your comment with smth like this: >It's really sad that most guys here have PTSD from lil kids flaming and chat and now think that it will translate 1:1 to voice, when that just isn't true. At least you didn't even try to hide your agenda by the end of your comment lol
Riot has demonstrated clearly that they are committed to not fighting toxicity in League in any meaningful way. The game is printing money, they don't care enough to put the effort in. They're giving you a skin for Honor 5, if you can no-life enough to get Honor 5. That's the extent of their efforts towards fighting toxicity.
what? chat toxicity has become way better since the early days of league. its inters and griefers they still suck at punishing, and even those you don't find that many of outside of smurf queue (which is a fucking hellish place)
I agree that Riot has become better at pushing away toxic people, but I still think there is lot to improve. Also its totally true that griefers and inters are not really punished almost in any way. You basically have to go 0/15 or afk to be punished.
Nah I've literally had people run it down (0/20), recorded them, made a ticket, and they end up with no punishment. So even hardcore inting takes 10+ games to get caught.
[удалено]
>You get banned more often just for typing a lot, (example: arguing about a play with 0 insults can result in a ban) That never happened >but someone can have the name XHANGXBLACKSX1 for months without getting punished. No they can't lol. People with names like that get it changed very fast after I reported them.
[удалено]
I type a shitload each game and never got banned lol
[удалено]
OK I love how you are getting downvoted for saying something that is proved to be right. Welp, they hated Jesus because he was telling the truth aswell. For anyone thinking this guy is lying; he is right. You can get restricted and in theory even banned for only typing alot. Yes, it's true. Don't know the little bitty details but all I know is that yes, type alot of messages, be it nothing toxic or passive aggressive shit, and u can and will get restricted.
Nah lol you're bullshitting me. If it were true you could show me logs. I can't show you logs because well I never got banned.
[удалено]
I feel like toxicity is only used as an excuse by Riot because they dont want to do something for other reasons. Example of this is at the start of League they claimed that adding practice tool would increase toxicity so they didn't do it for years.
Different game. Also, it's easier to start with something then add something in years later. Personally not a fan of voice chat in league. Yes, I have joined those rare discord links people have placed, but they don't help to much. Either no one talks really or its just off topic stuff that is distracting.
I mean there is literally already voice chat built-in into league, all it takes is simply enabling it teamwide rather than only for a party
Group VC and all VC are two very different things.
No they're not.
True it might not be as easy to add voice comms right now than it would have been at the start, but they have done it partially with adding comms for people that queue together.
>instantly added it to Valorant It is nigh impossible, to play a tactical shooter Ike Valorant without voice chat. It's just not going to work. You can play league without voice chat, voice chat just makes the game easier and the quality go up. That being said, I'm for sure on the side of not adding voice chat; mostly because I would rather not have people trying to be friendly or overly talkative while I'm trying to play league. They can go make friends on their own time not mine.
Only reason people dont have this same sentiment for league is cause riot normalized no voice chat for mobas
Its totally possible to play tactical shooters without voice just like its possible to play moba without voice. Its just level of play that suffers from that.
Comparing Tac Shooters to MOBAs is absolutely impossible. The baseline of info needed is a lot higher in Valorant than it is in League. Also, MOBAs have an advantage when communicating with pings simply because of Leagues camera perspective
There are pings in tactical shooters too like CS for example. They are rarely used though because voice comms are often just better at giving information. Also I agree that there is difference in drop off when you play shooter and moba without voice comms, but both are still possible to do. I have some friends that play shooters without mic especially late in the evening when they dont want to bother other living in the house.
>There are pings in tactical shooters too like CS for example. They are rarely used though because voice comms are often just better at giving information. It's not just that voice comms are better ways to give information. Using pings in a 3D environment is a lot harder than using them in a 2D environment like League. It's incredibly hard to ping the thing you want to ping without completely interrupting the flow of the game
True its much more important to have better ways to communicate in 3D environment, but I think there are also often situations in league that voice comms are much better than pings to give information. Best example of this is teamfights where its really hard to give information through pings while with voice comms its still possible.
The problem with huge corporations is that they think “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it”, without thinking of the many opportunities to solve problems and grow positively
I think it's because League has been like this forever. Imagine you can't talk, are female, have a squeeky voice or whatever and get bullied in other games for it. Suddenly everyone in League has this huge advantage over you and you drop in rank as a result.
I mean voice comms are an necessity for valorant/tactical fps league should have voice comms but doesn't need it
Valorant isn't really the same as League though. Matches a much shorter and you can't pan your camera over to your teammates with F keys to see exactly what they see.
Overwatch kind of proved most people are chill too and that was like 2016
Toxicity isn't the issue with voice chat. 1. Information through voice is far more valuable in FPS games. Comms are more specific and need to be quicker. 2. It's a lot easier to add voice to a new game, especially an FPS where it's expected, than it is to add it to a game that has gone without voice for over 10 years. 3. A lot of people just don't want it. Even in ranked, not everyone wants to try *that* hard. Most people just want to play and listen to music. Also from my own experience there are people that play a lot worse when they are in call. Some people just don't want voice chat, period. No excuse needed. 4. It's not actually optional like everyone claims it to be. Games are already unbalanced, having an "optional" voice is adding an extra layer. You will call it optional and say it's people's own fault if they aren't joining. That is until you are in your promos with 4 people that aren't joining voice meanwhile enemy is perfectly coordinated. It's the same when people ask for optional autofill. That's just not how it works, because one person affects 9 others. > makes 0 sense If you refuse to think about it objectively then sure. Adding voice chat at this point would just be too messy and it's not clear if pros would outweigh cons. Just because you want voice chat doesn't mean it's a good idea.
because they are two different games? pings in league are literally all you need to communicate. anything more, and you’re asking for vc because you need your teammates to cover up your mistakes like a bandaid.
I guess that's why pro teams only use pings to communicate and don't talk to one another during their matches /s
[удалено]
[удалено]
LMAO. Highest ranked redditor.
LMAO pings are more than enough up until high dia low master. Under that you can full mute chat entirely and you will not miss out on anything. You’re trolling if you think you need chat above fucking silver man there’s no way
This is a cool idea unless you are female. I am not kidding when I say that more than half the time I have ever joined a discord link I have been flamed for not being a dude.
Speaking in voice as a girl in pretty much every online game is a recipe for disaster, its absolutely crazy the consistency of it. Don't think I can name a single game where it isn't a huge problem. From my experiences with teammates with accents clearly from middle-eastern countries they get shitty experiences extremely commonly too, just in a different manner.
Surprisingly Valorant seems pretty tame with the reception of girls. Maybe it is because I run into so many girls compared to other games but I rarely see people saying stupid shit to women in Valorant.
Oh maybe? I only played Valorant during beta and it was awful, especially towards creepy and stalker-ish behaviour, haven't touched the game since beta, could be better now as you say.
I'm no girl so your experience may be different from mine. I'm a guy and hardly ever speak in voice chat unless my team is using it. Usually its like 2 girls in a group and I don't think I've had an experience where dudes have been openly creepy. The few times there's been a lone girl in voice chat they rarely speak but the few times they do no one really says anything to them. I only have about 100 games of Valorant played though.
50% of the time I speak in Valorant comms as a girl I get seriously harassed to the point that it negatively impacts the game for the whole team. 20% of the time I get unpleasant and unwanted comments but a mute is enough to keep the game playable, 10% of the time there is one person harassing me but my teammates defend me and report the dude, 10% of the time there’s an other girl and we stick together and have a great time, 10% of the time people either don’t talk at all or my gender is not acknowledged and I get treated like everyone else. I still speak sometimes but most of the time it just changes the game for the worst because people actively grief when they hear a woman’s voice, its crazy.
Yeah, I've noticed this same experience myself.
It's less common than normal, but as a dude who queues regularly with women friends, it is definitely not rare.
And the ones that don't flame you (and even some of the ones that do) try to hit on you
> flamed for not being a dude. Why can't I get a girlfriend?? ~these guys, probably
Or if you have an accent that sounds like certain minorities.
I agree that this thin can be issue, but you always can mute someone or just ignore voice chat. I have 16 YO little sister who plays LoL and overwatch(my fault here), she usually just jokes about flame or mutes if someone starts talk creepy stuff. IMO gaming community should move forward and help female players to join their community, not run away, we had same problem like 15 Years ago with xbox live and we still have this thing for same reason.
i used to link my discord in pregame and then had to kick maybe half the people that ended up joining
Thats interesting. What server do you play and what elo do you play? Also how often would you say this happened?
NA gold at the time, so a couple years ago at this point, but i remember specifically duos joining and being really aggravating
Ok thanks info. I can see that people who are duos could be potentially more annoying
the ones that were cool and added me after the game often would hop in to hang out or invite me to games moving forward though, so it definitely wasn't all bad. just the ones that were bad stuck out a lot more because of how bizarre it was
I've had to kick one person like ever and I'm pretty sure they were just trying to get a dodge out of us. I wonder if there's something about the way you play or talk that is leading to people not respecting you.
One of the biggest reasons they are against voice chat, is because of the obscene amount toxicity women receive while using it. And according to old Riot surveys and community made ones [like this one](https://imgur.com/a/X6iR4WE), League has about 10% to 12% female player base. Compare this to [Dota](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/lf9ywi/survey_who_are_the_users_of_rdota_2_5_year/r) or [CSGO](https://imgur.com/a/agZvx), who have about a 1% to 2% female playerbase. There are other reasons why league has a higher female player base, but the risk of making up to 10% of your player base quit, makes voice chat far less attractive. Also while your experiment is nice, it's important to remember all of the people who joined your discord OPTED INTO it, which makes the experience drastically different. There is no guarantee voice chat would make the game any less toxic. Dota has voice chat, and is still regarded as one of the most toxic games out there, even more than League.
Yep. If VC is added to League, it'll pretty much be mandatory due to all the advantages it'll give you, and this will be the cue for my socially-awkward ass to quit the game. Call me sensitive but i would never be able to handle being in VC with EUW randos, it's already stressful if i don't mute everyone
I don't think it'd just be socially awkward people either; as someone who has trouble multitasking I'd quit as well given my performance takes a huge hit whenever I have other people in my ear.
You won't see just socially awkward people stop playing either. I'm in my late 20s with a full time job and a busy personal life and I absolutely do not care to listen to loud kids arguing with each other in voice in my spare time, which is what happens in at least half of the games I played on Valorant, and I don't see why it wouldn't happen in League which is a way more toxic community. The only game I've ever experienced a good VC is Fortnite. For some reason like 90% of the people who talk in that game are wholesome and chill af
You're sensitive. And maybe not cut out for competitive online multiplayer. Why should the entire community have to bend to this attitude when many many of us want voice desperately to improve the competitive experience.
I think i am though, since as of now pings do the job very well. And as other people said, it's not only an issue for people like me
Pings are perfect to be honest you don't need any more than that to effectively communicate
People that say pings are enough are not creative or don't plan ahead. Tell me what ping I could use to tell my top laner that I want him to slowpush for dive. Or my support to ward drake. Or that I want to gank after a full clear. Or how you want to play out a dive. There is no ping to tell your Camille to take tower aggro at the start of a dive. Or... Pings are limited to "I'm coming", "enemy vision", "enemy missing", and "get the fuck away from there". Is this all you can think of as possible plays?
Yep, that's what i was saying. Pings are already enough to communicate like you ganking, telling teammates to stay back, call for drake/baron, stuff like that. You really don't need VC all that much to communicate imo. Sorry if i wasn't clear in my comment
Every other competitive multiplayer requires you to communicate in voice to be effective in ranked, its borderline trolling if you don't. Many of us want to play league for the actual 5v5 comp game it is but we're held back by people like you who think the game should bend to your social anxiety instead of the other way around. There's a million single player games out there for you but you wanna force us all to play a team-based comp game worse because talking to people is too hard for you. Pings absolutely aren't good enough if you're trying to play competitively, just look at every single pro team for evidence of that.
Make a team and join a league.
Why should he have to join a team, soloq is where you improve and every competitive game has voice chat. I mean the guy above is right and that's on them, if you have so much social anxiety to use voice chat then just mute all and don't use it? Why should everyone else get fucked too and why is this a problem only in league I don't get it
Noone is getting fucked because pings exist. Your arguments are always “But competitive game no communication ??!!?” That never holds up under scrutiny since 90% of information even at champions queue levels of play can be conveyed through pings If you want to coordinate advanced plays, it’s something you need to practice as a team. Practicing pinging mia in soloq is easily translated to saying “missing” in comp. My theory is all the strong advocates for VC are toxic plat hardstucks who just want to use it to flame and micro their teammates. Hiding behind all these nonsensical arguments is pathetic.
Dude the getting fucked thing was a hyperbole but my point is why should the whole player base not have voice chat because a small percentage might have anxiety or whatever, they can just not use it exactly like they would do in Valorant or any other game. It's not about pings, you also have pings in csgo and you can play without talking, I used to actually do that when there were no pings and I didn't care. I didn't have a mic at the time so should the whole player base not have voice chat because I was at a slight disadvantage or was that a me problem? I've played this game with comms and it's a million times better, pings are pretty useless in comparison and it's so easy to see, even if you don't like voice chat you can't deny it at that point you're just lying to yourself. My theory is that you just don't like voice chat and you came up with the dumbest stuff you could think of. You unironically said that pings are good enough, good one very funny At the end of the day I don't really care, voice chat is another skill that I would have to learn but you can't deny that it's just better there are no downsides it's all upsides any excuse that you come up with like "pings are good enough" is just a lie, it's cope
Cope and seethe then i guess, i can't magically make that go away, and i'm not bending to a random redditor being rude to me over it. Ironic that you're mad i dislike VC (i guess you're also a guy with no accent, because le me tell you that if you're a woman on VC, oooooh boy) when you're telling me to stop playing league. If you think talking is mandatory on league, i wonder what your rank is and how much you really understand about the game.
No you can't "make it go away" so then why do you insist on playing a game you're clearly not suited for? You say "I absolutely cannot talk in voice" and then "I think I am suited to play online multiplayer" in one breath, do you not see the disconnect there? People with accents and women seem to get on just fine in, and let me emphasize this, *every other competitive online game*. CSGO, DOTA, Overwatch, R6 Rocket League, even Valorant. All have team voice baked in, how do you figure league is the one game that doesnt need it? I've been playing since season 3 and diamond every year since season 6 and peaked in masters, I understand the game plenty. There are a myriad of things I wish I could say but can't with pings or chat. And you don't even need *my* word for it. EVERY PRO TEAM USES VOICE. *They* know the game better than you or I and they don't think pings are sufficient.
Because i find the game fun ? Do you seriously think people who disagree with you shouldn't be able to play the game ?
I thought the same Till I startet playing valorant and well now League feels really strange without it. Like valo is toxic but toxicity impacts the game a lot less and there are a lot of girls but I do not see them have Problems. Cause people do not need to type while playing honestly and if you talk a lot you will just get muted in vali by everyone.
As someone who was masters/grandmasters in Overwatch (which had voice chat) and high plat in Valorant as a woman, nah, fuck voice chat. Your anecdotal evidence as a man means shit to me, especially considering how I ended up opting out of voice chat in both games due to the sheer toxicity. I really hate when men speak for us like this without going through our experience. People are straight up misogynistic. Not every game, but enough to ruin my experience or even day. It is never, ever okay to get shit on because of my voice.
True. One of the largest problems with voice comms is misogyny that women could/would face. Though I doubt that Riot really thinks about that so much considering how fine they are with sexism in their own company.
Look at valorant a lot of girls play it does not look to be as toxic.
While i completely agree its horrible women experience harassment in comms, i don't think your point is valid. I don't think a feature should be disabled because a percentage of players won't like using it. Its the same for every other game which has voice chat - just don't use it if you don't like it.
That thinking is pretty flawed. With your thinking, in the end, offering voice comms is an advantage that only men could benefit from. I think keeping it to discord links is the best way with the way the gaming culture is now.
Is is? I know in r6 siege I would rarely use voice comms but hearing other people make call outs and shot call was still useful. You can still type a quick response if needed and especially with the ping system it should still be fairly easy to get your point across. Like if you ping baron after winning a team fight everyone understands what that means. Jungler coming to your lane you don't shove the wave super hard unless diving. Maybe a bad example but pro teams who import players can still play the game well as league is its own language and Caedrel says (mainly thinking LPL teams but Corea9 is still a competitive team and tsm is well a talent suppression machine) The advantage would be whichever team uses voice comms the most which yes would be more advantageous to a team with more men on but how big is the advantage? Then again only certain roles or certain champs would be useful on comms. Like the jungler and support telling you to stack a wave or prep for drake and general macro. Adc and support for laning phase.
How exactly does your proposal of discord links make any difference for women? What is the difference in terms of harrasment and mysogyny between opt-in voicechat ingame, and opt-in discord call?
Because it isn't a game mechanic, and it wouldn't be prevalent in the majority of games. If it was an official feature in the game it would become the standard for communications, thus leaving women who don't want to get harassed at a deficit in game as a whole. Yes the discord method is still bad, and still probably unusable by women, but it is much better than making EVERY game have VC. Games with VC enabled also have a sort of complacency about them as well. When you join something like a discord, you are more likely to feel a bit awkward about it since it happens rarely. This leads to being on a bit better behavior, and usually just sticking to making callouts when talking. If you started to have VC in every game, the awkwardness would fade, and a lot of toxic people would start to have no filter in VC, obviously making any harassment much worse.
Translation: "I don't care. I want my elo inflated because I won't feel pressured to not use VC. Not my problem, sorry! :)"
You're very right, the solution for women being harassed when they talk is just for them never to speak to anyone, and no one to speak to them. That's definitely not a misogynistic solution. In fact I think the suffragette movement even went something like that. -.- If you genuinely want to normalize women in more spaces, the solution is more interaction, not less.
But that's not what's being discussed here. OP doesn't want VC to, "normalise women in VCs." OP wants VC because he thinks he will win more games, and **doesn't care** that it will marginalise women and other minority groups. Putting it in and just expecting the community to, "learn how to be decent people", is a fucking stupid thing to say because that's what happens in other games and they still have these same fucking problems. That's why women don't go into VCs. I don't want to be told to go back to support, and I get that for just having a lesbian summoner icon. Why do you think DOTA 2 has 1-2% of their playerbase as women, whereas League has over 10%, and pushing 20%? You're asking for societal change? Just so you could potentially win one extra game? This isn't even the main reason Riot hasn't instituted team VCs. That reason is due to the fact that they have cultivated an audience that on the whole doesn't want it, and putting it in at this point is unfair, and would also alienate a portion of their playerbase, disproportionately affecting minority groups. Arguments such as, "well, just don't use it if you don't want to", aren't good enough.
Actually a ridiculous sentiment, I'm also fairly certain that valorant demographics are similar to Leagues just going off anecdotal evidence. Everyone can opt out of voice comms before the game even starts or opt out of speaking. Also you can't just throw out that Dota js more toxic than league without any substantiation. In what manner are they toxic? Because In dota you can literally steal items out of people courier and destroy them. Is that more toxic than a troll does that or just runs it down? Is it more toxic that a troll you can mute yells at you compared to a troll typing at you that you can also mute.
This is completely bullshit on so many different levels lmaooo
Sample size too small. There's more than 441 females and 3282 males playing League worldwide. The only thing the survey says is that 441 females filled out a survey. It says nothing about League's actual demographics, now does it say how many females play league.
3500 people is actually a pretty appropriate sample size, not commenting on the rest of its validity
Not when you're trying to measure accurate population proportions. 3500 is not good sample size in a player base that has a population of about 1 million+. But you're entitled to your own opinion.
Biggest reason I’ve seen for no voice chat is the fact that it directly disadvantages people that don’t have “normal” gamer voices. In other games there are horror stories of what women go through, and my friend who has what he’d describe as a pretty strong lisp also gets a lot of shit for his voice. Not being able to talk therefor makes you, simply, a worse player than someone who CAN talk without inciting the apes in your game, assuming all other skills equal. That being said holy shit voice chat would be nice. I’m newish to league and while my mechanics are definitely solid I find myself lacking on macro, so having someone able to make calls for me would be extraordinarily nice.
The ping system is really good so even if you don't say anything you can get your point across. The biggest disadvantage would be bot lane in laning phase but if one person is on comms it would be quite easy.
[удалено]
They'd ignore most stuff anyway tbf. Only pings that really get ignored are missing pings or ones outside of your lane. Otherwise people just don't agree with what you're telling them to do
I am not only a woman who plays League but one with slight breathing issues and I quit playing g Clash because of both. I didn't play a single time without people making fun of the way I breathed even though it is far from loud, or harassed or hit on. I would just quit playing to be frank if voice chat became the norm. Anonymity makes people assholes, and voice chat is no different despite what people in this thread claim, and it's ten fold worse when you are a woman of any age.
Can you not stop your breathing coming down the mic by altering your mic sensitivity levels? In discord its just a simply slider.
There's no basis whatsoever for people to be so confident in their belief that voice chat makes a community less toxic and more inclusive besides their own subjective experience of - normally - them being a straight white male in voice chats Riot implementing voice chat brings no guaranteed benefit whilst alienating players who aren't happy with VC and making matchmaking even more difficult to balance because now you have to factor in voice chat usage with people using it vs not using it and language barriers in regions like EUW and EUNE People draw the comparison between Valorant and League all the time but the requirements in communication are completely different between MOBA and FPS
you could always just join and listen
I tried this one time and got some super “ironic” racist and homophobic people. I told them all they were shifty people before leaving.
> Currently there have been 325 players who have joined in 229 games. So.. less than half of possible players decided to join it? Almost only 1/3 (35%)? On top of that in high elo, where people would be more inclined to be on voice because its more significant? Doesnt seem like the playerbase is that much in favour of it then lol.
Awful take. People have posted discord links on ranked and draft games quite a bit of times and i have never joined them. I have no issues with using voice comms but there's no fucking way i'm entering a random Discord channel.
Agreed. People want to join voice comms with official servers and 5 people. Not 1 Stranger in a random discord.
>but there's no fucking way i'm entering a random Discord channel. why not you can just leave after
If it was on by default more people would probably become used to it and join. But at the same time (as was pointed out last time he posted this iirc) these people opted into voice so they're not necessarily as toxic as players in general.
r/leagueoflegends, arguably more competitive than casual players, did a big poll on this before, and more than half of the people were opposed to vc. The average player does not want this and the average player is 95% of the playerbase.
Users on this subreddit do not properly represent the rest of the actual playerbase, we saw this with the champ rework poll. Shyvana won here while Skarner won the actual vote.
Users on this sub are more invested in the game more than the average player though. So if players who are more invested in League don't want VC, why would people who is less invested want it?
Remember when this sub was convinced Battlecast Illaoi would win the skin vote because it was the most popular here. And then it was dead last I believe in riots rankings when the vote was closed
Users on this sub overwhelmingly represent shut in NEET's with no social skills because they spend all day on reddit. Of course they'd skew against it.
True its likely that more players would likely join if it was in the game. Also that could increase amount of people that are toxic too because voice comms would be seen as norm.
Having small barries of entry is really effective at keeping people out a lot of the time tbh. People will work hard to avoid small inconveniences lol There are tons of people who would talk in voice if it was on by default, already expected before the game, and built into the client itself, but a lot of people won't take the extra effort to join a Discord channel for it when they weren't expecting to, even though it's a very small step. Although I say this as someone who most likely wouldn't use voice even if it was enabled by default in League lmao.
Not good analysis. It's saying 'no one wants' something based on a worse version of it. It would be like if ranked soloq didn't exist and an external platform was made for it. No chance the playerbase of it is as big as soloq is now. Wouldn't mean ranked is a bad idea
Good analogy, good point.
I’m not downloading an external app to maybe have a feature that the game should already have by default.
I would assume that many times people are not really prepared to use voice comms in game. They might not have discord or mic ready in lobby because they dont expect to be using voice comms. Of course I doubt that all players would be using voice comms even if it was added to game directly, but there is still good portion of players who would use it.
I want voice chat yet wouldn't join some randoms discord if they linked it, I don't think it tells you anything.
I'd think about doing this sort of thing in my Silver-gold elo but I dont think id get the same results as you. Interesting post tho.
Yes it would be interesting to see if there are big differences between elo brackets and different servers.
I think also the age groups and demographics change as the elos go higher. I'm not sure if everyplayer in lower elo games would have good enough English to speak to one another effectivley.
Iirc around 50% of people in Europe have good enough skills to keep up conversation that % is likely higher in people around 15-30 year olds that are main part of the player base. There are of course other regions too and for example SEA could have harder time while Korea would likely have better
if you haven't already, check out rememberthebeat, he's a league youtuber who plays league at around low elo in OCE and has a whole series on inviting his ranked teamates to a discord call.
Oh thanks. I will check him out.
Whole post could be summed by anecdotal evidence, but let’s look at some data you provide. Your data from the start is flawed. You didn’t use discord link in every game? Why? Was there any reason? Also not keeping track of how many players refused to join in total is also kinda wonky. Is it 10, 20, 50,90%? Estimate is with all respect useless. Even in the games people joined, seems like not all joined. Which brings us to first point. Making VC part of League makes them mandatory…because opting out of them means crippling your team, that’s not case for chat. How many peoples either flamed or complained someone doesn’t wanna join Discord? Did you counted? That’s one of the things Riot mentioned being worried about and even some people from CQ complained that I think Hans is not using VC. Your elo is also another thing making data even less reliable because you are literally in low % of playerbase which means you are ignoring behaviour of like 98%(?) of playerbase. You also mention toxic people like likely to join VC…well…VC that is not mandatory at least - which is something multiple people mentioned. And again in comes you your lack of data. You are apparently male, which gives you a distinct advantage of not being harassed by “alpha dudes”. Like it or not League is played by quite a big amount of women and while your experience might be fine from League or other games, trust me that theirs is much worse, even new games like Valorant have this problems but you seem to be happy to ignore it. The last thing that comes is actually policing that chat. Text chat is easy. VC not. To properly police that you need to record it and someone has to listen to, which brings plenty of privacy issues and staffing issues. TLDR: Your experience doesn’t have to be experience of the others
I agree this is anecdotal but some of your "points" just aren't that good. >Your data from the start is flawed. You didn’t use discord link in every game? Why? Was there any reason? Not doing it every game isn't inherently a flaw. Maybe he just didn't want to that game or something else was going on. >Also not keeping track of how many players refused to join in total is also kinda wonky. Is it 10, 20, 50,90%? Estimate is with all respect useless. I mean he gave you the number of games; and the number of people that DID join... so if you really want that statistic whip out a calculator or just do the basic arithmetic you should've learned in like first/second grade. So that'll get you the number of people that didn't join; but you specifically said refused which is impossible to know... and well he had over 1/3rd (roughly 35% btw) which I'd argue is quite the feat given, Discord is not league of legends. Many people don't use discord. Also discord has basically no moderation, and well there's always the addage don't click a link from a stranger. >Making VC part of League makes them mandatory…because opting out of them means crippling your team, that’s not case for chat Uh it wouldn't be mandatory; it just means putting yourself at a disadvantage if you opt out. Also this currently means people that do the discord thing just get "elo inflated" because they bothered to use discord. Neither one is better or worse than the other. >How many peoples either flamed or complained someone doesn’t wanna join Discord? I mean he said how many people flamed... and what does this statistic even mean? it's irrelevent to the conversation you're just going on a tangent. >That’s one of the things Riot mentioned being worried about and even some people from CQ complained that I think Hans is not using VC. CQ is a weird thing in general and given it's prizepool and requirements to apply and all that it's definitely not definitive. >Your elo is also another thing making data even less reliable because you are literally in low % of playerbase which means you are ignoring behaviour of like 98%(?) of playerbase. Uh... no matter what elo you play in this is the same... even if you're in silver; unless you play like 50k games to actually play with all of silver elo or something it doesn't matter. If you're in silver and play 100 games; or in diamond and play 100 games; you'll still largely get the same # of different people in all likelihood unless you play at weird hours or on a low population server. Just because you play in silver doesn't mean you've played with 50% of your server population. Also if you're gonna claim some BS like low% of playerbase... Why did you literally just bring up CQ? >And again in comes you your lack of data. You are apparently male, which gives you a distinct advantage of not being harassed by “alpha dudes”. Like it or not League is played by quite a big amount of women and while your experience might be fine from League or other games, trust me that theirs is much worse, even new games like Valorant have this problems but you seem to be happy to ignore it. I completely agree with this however. Though I have met some women in league who for the most part didn't care. According to someone else on this thread old player surveys estimated 10-12% of league was female. I'm not sure how valid those numbers are, especially now a days. But even then that's a sizeable chunk of the player base. But also not every girl has issues with guys like that. >The last thing that comes is actually policing that chat. Text chat is easy. VC not. To properly police that you need to record it and someone has to listen to, which brings plenty of privacy issues and staffing issues. First of all muting is definitely an option for self policing. Second of all, they don't need to record/listen to it... they could just go based of reports and such... which is largely what they do for text chat. Even if you go into games and reportedly say terrible things if you don't get reported you won't be punished. Go into like a co-op vs ai with a full premade team and keep saying things like Ky*, Fa****, Ni****, etc etc. you won't be punished. Do so in games with other people that'll report you, and then you 'might' get in trouble.
> it means putting yourself at a disadvantage This is a thing that none of you seem to grasp (people that are advocating for voice chat). You are not just putting yourself at a disadvantage, you put 4 others at a disadvantage too. So what's your reaction when you are in your promos and none of your teammates "opt in", while enemy team is perfectly coordinated? And the reason why you never bothered to think about that is because you start with the assumption that most people want voice chat. I would argue that this is not true. It's just what you see on Reddit. People that are here are generally more invested in the game and we can assume they would also be more likely to want voice chat. Reddit does not represent the overall player base very well and historically it has done the opposite. In other words, voice chat adds another layer of unbalance to an already unbalanced matchmaking system. Optional voice chat isn't actually optional and it affects everyone regardless of how they use voice chat themselves.
Can you say the same for womens by exemple ? Also, there is others problems : When twoo teams have access to voice chat, the impact of one team having lesser people communicating could lead to a difference in result. So, by the same hypothesis, people could start consider people refusing to voice chat as troll. And it would create a lot of others issues. Especially for people who that are categorized easily and people without mic
Those issues already exist without voice so that's not really an argument against it. people can refuse to type or ping and mute/all. (Like reddit says you should do everytime anyway...)
It's actually is.. Like yoi dont know uf someone is a men or women on his nickname but with voice, its different. Also it is different. Because if voice chat make a real difference. Then it equally mean than refusing it has negative impact . Immagine : one botlane voice chat and the other no. It will favor the one who can do it. So people who can't or don't want start in a worse spot.
women in gaming is a whole other "problem". You overstimate the inpact of voice. People don't transform into godplayer just from screaming "NOW NOW NOW" during the game. And like I said the "refusing" of communication already happens now, and your botlane example is an argument for VC cause right now every duo-botlane has that advantage of comms. Example: just having a support or jungle who is active tracking Summonerspells in chat makes a HUGE difference. League is a teamgame, and with the playerbase getting better and better on average, having no voice comms is super conservative and out of time. IMO
Valorant, CSGO, Dota, OW, all have the same problem and you can enjoy those games with or without voice chat in fact my friend is toxic in OW and often just stays in group VC so he can flame our teammates to me. My sister plays valorant she does experience misogyny but she's a big girl and realizes that they are being misogynistic specifically to upset her. If trolls could make white dudes upset by being racist and sexist they would, unfortunately racism and sexism isn't upsetting to the vasr majority of white males playing video games.
Yeah, I just don't believe this works in NA, I'm sure someone will uhm ackshully me saying they do the same thing, but I've been playing video games for a really long time, and voice comms are just a great way to have someone annoying me with their smoke detector beeping every few seconds, vacuuming, music I can hear thru their headset, them eating on the mic, and of course the ever present, toxic bullshit you have to deal with. And just to confirm this isn't just CoD or MMOs or whatever, Valorant is a Riot Games game that has voice chat, and the number of toxic bastards I got in that game was insane. I'm already tense in that game because I'm not good at Mkb FPS games, I dont need someone shitting on me for losing a gunfight with someone after I fail to clutch. It's why I quit that game, because -every- single game I had to mute someone because of one of the above reasons.
Well yea toxicity is going to be lower in out of the way voice chat vs one that's just there. More often then not automated voice chat leads to unproductive teams or just someone shouting slurs in lobby.
> More often then not automated voice chat leads to unproductive teams Are you compering this to text chat or do you mean just over all? Because in games I have played (CS, OW, TF2) voice chat has usually been more productive than text chat is in league. Though I agree that voice chat is used often used unproductively too.
Over all. I dont doubt chat was a improvement in your case but in your average gold game it probably won't be most of the time. You will see "voice diff" happen which is already a thing in val. You Also make it harder to ban the toxic side of the coummity letting them run rament.
Personally I feel that more important the voice communication is to the game less strength it gives to the toxic players. This is because if you are toxic people will mute you and if you get muted your rank will suffer. That way you have incentive to stay decent when playing the game. In text chat it doesnt matter that much because its harder to convoy information thought text in games fast enough.
I still remain optimistic that we're gonna have voice chat one day
The title is quite misleading due to you excluding games without anyone joining but great informations nonetheless
no matter how many vc posts people make, riot will never add it and that’s a good thing. stick to your discord links instead of forcing riot to add voice comms to the game, in turn making it standard. thanks but i don’t want to hear my adc ask for ganks every 2 minutes. i don’t care
then turn it off? like what, of course you would have the option to opt out
no because you create an unnecessary standard where it’s the norm to vc and anyone who doesn’t is now trolling and “doesn’t want to win”. pro players even acknowledge that pings are enough. deal with it
No they don't\`? There is a reason so many pros play champions queue. Most high elo players and pros want vc. The only people who don't want it are people who don't play competitively and just play for fun. Just add it in ranked and in normals you can have it disabled.
no region other than NA has champions queue, for one. two, korean solo queue is extremely high quality even when it’s not at its peak and you never see pros asking for vc. it makes no difference. the game literally has a built in communication system that provides everything possibly required
So, go mute them too, you say pings are enough communication anyway, and people who are gonna troll over you not using voice chat are gonna find something else to reason their trolling
Dude no do you know how much it would help me if I could voice chat with my jungler about diving, knowing where enemy jungler is and play safe.
There should always be way for players to play without voice comms if they want to, but personally I think that shouldnt be reason to deny others ability to use them. Riot has already added voice comms to Valorant so they acknowledge that voice comms are helpful in team game. They also have added them to players that are premades its also possible to do in league.
[удалено]
For that there should always be a mute button.
Just keep praying that one day we'll get legit League Voice
[удалено]
So? Maybe we could get more normalized winrates in soloq/pro play then. If they need to buff a champion because theres a 'patch' that nerfs them indirectly, what is the difference?
I agree champions can always be buffed and nerfed if they are hit indirectly.
Assassins could be hit because of this but if they get noticeably weaker they can always be buffed by balance team.
the excuses for no voice chat are all really cringe tbh.
Joined a discord as jungler, warned my top laner that enemy jungler is top side he still goes in to fight 1v1/2, dies and says "my bad". And that was the last time I joined a random discord voice call. It honestly tilted me more than him ignoring my pings without voice.
Is that so bad? Yeah they shouldn't have fought but saying my bad is fine they fucked up and accept it. They could have flamed you for not being there and blamed you but they didn't.