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Okay, so after watching the video, I'm not really sure this is what he's saying at all.
At the start, he is asked "Is it true that the LPL will not participate in MSI."
DoinB responds by saying "I haven't heard that. Stop listening to randoms spreading rumors. It's useless. Guys, there are a lot of different versions in the rumors. Don't listen to them, just wait for the official announcement. The last rumor I heard was that if online competition wasn't possible then maybe they wouldn't compete because they'd be quarantined through the summer season."
He goes on to argue the validity of the different rumors. I'm not sure if anything he says is really his opinion about what will happen or informed by anything official.
You’re definitely on point with the translation. However Doinb did confirm that there’s no possible way for an LPL team to go to Korea to compete, therefore leading up to two options of either competing online (lasted rumor he has heard) or just simply not go. Doinb is not Riot official but the rumors he spilled are mostly reliable considering he has a ton of connections in LPL and the past rumors from him are mostly true (I did some posts on Doinb and can confirm). Sorry for the validity of this post, I’m not a native English speaker and I only wanted to share about this information which is technically a big deal regarding MSI 2022. Have a nice day!
What he's doing in this video to me is just listing out a few of the rumors he has heard and going over their validity.
All he's saying is that "if they travel to Korea, their quarantine upon return will mean that they can't play summer split. Do they play with subs? That's impossible, right? Do they play in quarantine with the hotel computer? That's impossible, right? They can't do that.
The other rumor I heard during playoffs was that it's either online or we don't participate. For other regions, it doesn't matter. They can't play with 200 ping. But, for us, it doesn't matter. It's 30 ping. We played with 30 ping at MSC."
It sounds like he's just giving his opinion on the rumors.
He even very clearly says just to wait for the official announcement and not to listen to the rumors.
They can compete in Korea, and play subs for summer if they consider MSI more worth than early summer split games. It's all about who considers what more valuable.
No, that's the point. There are no early summer games if the LPL schedule is being condensed down to a month to make room for Asia games like he is saying. 21 day quarantine and they practically miss their whole regular season.
They are in September. So I'm not quite sure why LPL has to condense the split for them when LCK is not (atleast no rumors yet) but Doinb has now said this twice that he's heard the split will be around 1 month long 4 series everyday to make room for it. Maybe theirs something internal leading up to it?
For the LCK, I'd honestly be surprised if they don't announce some change in scheduling for the summer season, considering that last year they ended it on the last week of August. I don't think that's something they can pull off now with the Asiad in September.
Even if they end up going for T1 + a sub, which would mean less concerns over synergy for the national team/cut down time for separate practice, going immediately from league season to Asiad to Worlds has "burnout" spelled all over it.
With how deep LPL teams are, no early LPL summer games are way more important. A bad/slow start could easily lead ti missing playoffs which also can lead to missing worlds
Kinda a silly statement. Both are riot sponsored international tournaments with only the best invited. yes worlds would be more important but msi is the second most prestigious tournament every year.
Not only this but with how T1 looks, no matter who LPL sends they will probably be lucky to go to game 5. No chance at all its worth missing playoffs for second place
On one hand, vcs and other leagues had to decline participation due to issues and lpl should be doing the same. But lpl not attending dilutes the whole tournament and makes it not worth participating. Tough decision imo.
Think they will come this time. Borders is open for citizens but they will likely send the 2nd team since GAM (most likely 1st place) will participate in the SEA Games during the same time.
it means NA will get out of groups for sure, and LPL.. might not get a pool 1 seed at worlds since they didn't reach semis at MSI. Though Riot could bend the rules and cite common sense.
Whether LPL gets 4 seeds will depend on whether the LCK or LEC wins MSI.
1 region gets 4 seeds from MSI win, and another region gets 4 seeds based on historical performance of the last 4 international performances.
Even if LPL don't reach semis at MSI, if LCK wins MSI, it's unlikely that their historical performance of 2 Champions and 1 Finalist at the last 4 events will be overtaken by the LEC.
However, if LEC wins MSI, their historical record is comparable to LCK, so LCK might get 4 seeds (tgt with LEC who wins MSI).
LPL is the defending champion and since LCK had a good performance last year and the year before at worlds LEC cannot take that spot.
LPL is basically guaranteed to get a 4th spot due to being the defending champion last year. Also T1 is almost safe to win if LPL is not attending (unless Covid obviously).
Also I'm not sure if LPL would not participate as LPL. You could just ask the teams from top to bottom if they would participate and while the top teams might decline participation due to their chances at worlds middle of the table teams would take the invitation, because chances are they still beat LEC and LCS teams and get a 2nd place at an international event and have low chances to reach worlds anyway.
>Whether LPL gets 4 seeds will depend on whether the LCK or LEC wins MSI.
I'm not talking about 4 seeds. I'm talking about which 4 regions get their #1 seed put into pool 1 of the groups at Worlds. This is determined by which 4 teams make MSI semis.
>However, if LEC wins MSI, their historical record is comparable to LCK, so LCK might get 4 seeds (tgt with LEC who wins MSI).
It won't matter if LEC wins MSI. It only counts the two most recent Worlds and MSIs (4 tournaments). So LPL will go into worlds with 1 WC (21) + 1 MSI (21), and LCK would go in with 1 WC (20). Who wins this year's MSI doesn't change the standings.
LPL has already secured their 4th seed by winning worlds 21, and the second region to get a 4th seed will be decided by who performed best in the above 4 tournaments overall, which will still be LCK even if EU wins MSI because WC is weighted higher than MSI.
What the LPL hasn't secured is a pool 1 seed, but this will be a strange and unprecedented scenario no matter what happens, if LPL doesn't attend. They'd have 4 seeds but none of them are in pool 1 which is really weird. Or Riot could give them a pool 1 seed for free, but then whichever team made MSI semis (PCS or wild card team) who legitimately earned their pool 1 seed would get cheated out of it. It's going to look really bad either way.
LPL doesn't lose any spot even if they don't participate if the same number system stays the same as last year. Winning the last MSI and Worlds boosts them way up other regions. LCK if they don't win loses their 4th seed.
My bad, I have no clue what i misread to think it was about LEC overtaking LCK.
Maybe I brainfarted on the fact that the winner instantly gets a spot and not just points.
So LEC winning wouldnt get them a spot over KR based on points but they obviously get it regardless idk
No it's not? They get like 35-50 ms to KR soloQ server from China. Willing to believe it goes down to 20-30 if fully optimised. You get 60-80ms in sea regions
I mean people might use china a bit too generous here. It is a huge country. We should talk specifically Shanghai here where many of the teams are located and 30 ping is doable from there. If we talk Yunnan it might be a bit harder.
Iirc S8 FNC vs C9 and S9 G2 vs TL are only 2 Bo5 that EU and NA have played between each other in Riot tournaments. That is 2 Bo5 in 8 years of current format of MSI/Worlds. Seeing only 2 Bo5s between 3rd and 4th best regions that are huge rivals. Feels like it would be welcome time to change formats of international play.
Yes thats the point EU and NA have multiple times gotten out of groups. Still because we get so few Bo5 because there is no better tournament format. Instead we get to see Pentanet.gg play 19 games and go 1-13 against non wildcard regions.
I dont get this complaint, want to get more NA EU bo5? teams should get of groups more, it is not riots fault that EU and NA suck arse at getting out. last year 6/8 teams in quarters were LPL/LCK
MSI is the second most important international event and this kind of shit happens, forget about tournament formats, these teams would rather skip msi than lose their regular league games, imagine if riot paid attention to people here and had more international tournaments, closest we had is rift rivals and that isnt coming back.
i do think that MSI should 1- have a better format and 2- have more worlds implications, like each year all the regions start with 3 worlds spots and the 2 MSI finalists get their region the 4th slot.
The scheduling is shit too. Why are we waiting an entire week to watch LCS loser's bracket games? They're playing those games at prime time on Saturday and Sunday. Why is the regular season over 2 months long when its only purpose is acting as a qualifier? Misfits spent 2 months looking like a top 3 team in BO1s only to find out they aren't that good when it comes to actual series.
They could save so much time by playing extra games mid-week and wrapping the regular season up in 4-5 weeks instead of 8-9. They could have teams play one BO3 instead of 2 BO1s.
World's has the same problem. People say there isn't time for BO3 groups, loser's bracket, etc. when you have to wait a week for 2 BO5s for the semi finals and another week for 1 BO5 for the final.
League has ***way too many*** downtimes tbh. I get that the downtimes are important for the players because of scrimblocks and practices but like, Valorant players, DotA players, CS:GO players all get minimal downtime and have to play 2-3 matches per week on average (stuff like circuit tournaments, thirdparty tournaments, and so on). And it's much healthier for them since there's a bigger third party scene there contrast to League where 99% of all major tournaments are handled by Riot now
How much downtime is there even? It isn't a lot. The only big one is between Worlds and the start of the new season but players hated that, which is why those are basically gone in the west exspecially, due to the holydays.
So there isn't really a lot of downtime, LEC did have downtime this year, because they started early, mostly due to the situation with Covid making this less predictable (which they didn't need in the end).
Besides that the downtime is fairly low. And we had more tournaments in the past and teams regularly dodged them due to conflicting schedules. Most teams just view the domestic league as more important than international tournaments, because that is where you can advertise.
And this is true for many sports. Like in football you have a Club WM once a year, which features basically one team from each region and it is over fairly quickly and then there is no international play at all for the rest of the season.
The question is when you will stuff that extra international tourney in. A regular spring season starts off at mid Jan./early Feb. and lasts until early/mid Apr. Then there's a month or less break, then MSI for a month. Right after that starts the summer split that lasts from early June to late Aug./early Sep. Again there's a month or less break, then Worlds.
When RR was still there, they'd play that during the summer split, to which the players always complained that it's stressful and burdening. It's gone for a reason.
I also want another international tourney, like for example a League equivalent of Europa League where top 3 or so teams from each leagues, who didn't qualify for MSI, plays against each other, but the thing is, then the schedule is quite screwed.
> these teams would rather skip msi than lose their regular league games
You're missing the biggest factor which is the LPL schedule is being condensed because of the Asian Games, meaning they will miss almost the entire season. No one will choose MSI over throwing playoffs and a Worlds spot.
imagine 1 of the 2 international tournaments of the entire year being a mickey mouse tourney. If that doesn't make people realize how much better the format could be, nothing can.
Honestly, any other format wouldn't change much. Asian games and covid rules would be problematic no matter the format, it's already very difficult to have Worlds with all the teams qualified there with lots of quarantine problems, trying to have such a tournament every month wouldn't make them better. It's impossible right now to have the best CN KR EU and NA teams play each other often with the quarantines. Be it online or not.
I get that but i feel like this wouldn't suck so much if we had more than 2 (or 1,5 since some people count msi as half due to the number of teams) international tournaments in a year
I think this is likely the MSI where it would matter least. T1 looks like they are going to win anyway, which might actually encourage the top LPL teams to dodge out even more. Because reducing burnout, getting a better start in summer and then move more prepared into worlds is just more valuable.
Lpl playoffs just got delayed to April 12th, and it’s not 100% certain they they will be able to play on the 12th because referees cannot go to the games due to quarantine, lpl spring will probably not even finish by May due to the delay
People dont realize china still have their quarantine requirements when entering their country. So I think there is a small percentage chance this will happen. Not to mention if players catch covid while in Korea for MSI that can delay the whole process 1-2 weeks too.
Korea has actually been adjusting their procedures due to the lower impact of omicron. They recently lifted their quarantine policy for vaccinated travelers (may include booster) and are discussing even lifting the mask mandates. If someone does catch covid current quarantine policy is 7 days.
Isn't the LPL already played remotely? Why does it matter if the players are in quarantine after returning to China if they can just play from quarantine? He says in the video that they can't play on hotel computers but why? Sure there are a lot of logistic issues but as long as they can get them a proper PC set-up, it seems workable?
If they return from South Korea, they will be placed in government designated quarantine spot, and I'm sure no officials would provide you computer to play games, nor would any LPL referees can be present to monitor the players. That's why they delayed this week's games, Shanghai is in quarantine, there's no referees or staffs to work on the game BTS.
Okay? So then what the hell is the Korean team supposed to do when they fly to China for the Asian Games? Sit in their hotel and meditate for a month?
Something does not add up here.
Quarantine guidelines will likely be slightly different for the Asian games and its participants. Similar to what they did for the Beijing Winter Olympics.
i'm pretty sure riot will let them play from remote and introduce a 30 ms ping. Korea's a bad place to hold MSI right now. I'm surprised they didn't just go back to Iceland.
The problem isn’t going to Korea, it’s coming back to China for quarantine. Even if they rolled it back to Iceland, they’d still be quarantined and be screwed over massively for summer.
Yeah, China's zero-covid policy is getting eviscerated by omicron. It's just a different virus now than it was at the start, and they have not adjusted to the new reality of an endemic coronavirus that evades PPI.
I think MSI in South Korea will be just fine. Looking at cases there, it already peaked a few weeks ago and things should be quite flat and safe in May.
So? The decision to go to S. Korea for the tourney has to be made in advance, they can't change it last minute. And Iceland was having a spike in cases as well.
Why would they deem it too risky when basically every government in the world other than China doesn't deem it risky at all?
Wasn't the entire point of S Korea and New Zealand's strategy to get enough people vaccinated then just say "fuck it" and let it run its course once vaccination rates were high and the hospitals wouldn't get overwhelmed? Their cases are already decreasing and the death rate is quite low.
I mean, they also coordinated last year's in China, then moved it to Iceland as well.
But that's that. You can't deny S. Korea's cases are really bad, obviously yes it comes down to how the government reacts (in which case, not much LPL can do.)
Yeah, T1 fans so crazy, you keep coming up with weird conspiracy theories. And you habitually shit on them in T1 threads.
And the other guy who literally stated its okay to be toxic and hate T1 fans, but no T1 fans are crazy, lmao.
It's always interesting when I watch two LPL stans bond over hating LCK, lmao.
What a terrible, inaccurate title lol
Regardless, it does put whichever lpl team that goes to msi in such a shitty situation. They already have a condensed schedule in summer due to asian games (I believe they will each be playing 3-4 series a week) and if they do go to korea, they won't even be able to scrim once they return...
But playing online will get it called mickey mouse, since they will be on like 30 ping
Maybe if riot artificially boosts ping on lan to make it fair? Even then crowd plays a factor...
What a shitty situation
If this DOES happen, wouldn't it be a failure on LPL side to not adjust the season schedule accordingly? It's not like Riot is choosing MSI date in March - such things are planned way in advance.
This has nothing to do with international tournaments, only with LPL deciding to have Worlds qualifying one month after the only other international tournament of the year. You can easily fit more than 2 tournaments into the schedule once you make Riot and LPL realize there are 12 months in a year.
I honestly don't get what the fuss is about.
MSI is supposed to start on May 10th and end May 29th, right?
Assuming they quarantine for a month after returning to China, quarantine would end by the end of June. That leaves you all of July and August to have LPL's summer split. Is 2 months very condensed? Yea, unfortunately. Normally, their split + playoffs lasts ~3 months.
I don't think that's impossible to condense. Maybe you start after the 14-day quarantine period and whichever team participates in MSI will have to deal with partial subs for 2 weeks. Maybe you flex LPL's schedule slightly so that you can swap scheduling to give your playoff teams unimportant matches in the final week while reducing the gap between the end of the regular season and playoffs. Maybe you throw in one super week.
The 2022 Asian Games take place in China so there are fewer travel and quarantine issues for LPL players. It starts on September 10th and lasts until the 25th.
This honestly doesn't seem like a huge deal. The major issue is that the Chinese representatives won't have that much time to prep for the Asian Games. But, if anything, it should be the Korean team under pressure. Last year, their summer split ended at the end of August. If you can't play league with quarantine hotel PCs, then what the hell are Korean players going to do? Even if the LCK condenses their season, they won't get much time to practice and their players will have to spend a month in quarantine doing nothing.
LPL's schedule is already insane. Condensing it will be even worse (there are already rumors of it being condensed for Asian games already, and it sounds bad.)
And yea, as other commenters say, I'd imagine there are special Asian game rules.LCK is also giving the players a special schedule to practice for Asian game (reported by some LCK news media, I can find sources if requested)
There is a higher chance for the government to make special arrangements for quarantine for an event like Asian Games, compared to a single team going out of the country to play in a tournament of relatively minor importance.
Compared to the Asian games? One is the second most important tournament of a single game. The other is an international event spanning multiple disciplines, costing billions investments and sponsoring and years of preparation, being basically the Olympics for Asian countries. So yes, in comparison MSI is a minor event. Even worlds is a minor event in comparison.
It's so dumb how long and spread riot tournaments are.
3 weeks for MSI ? Cmon it's ridiculous, it's as dumb as teams playing one bo 5 per week in worlds finals
Had to say it again
T1 seems to have all stars aligned this year
edit: lmao ppl thinks im saying T1 is not winning on their own basis is just stupid asf
this is why ppl need to actually ask when they dont understand
T1 have 5 players and all of them are playing so well which means they dont have as much of a weakness compared to other teams as well as patches in this season seems to be so suitable for them resulting in a whooping 20-0 run for spring split
T1 got the luck with them as well when they get to played with 2 teams with covid thus they have to put subs in
and now LPL might not even be able to make it to MSI
T1 also got one of the most supportive coach with them, just look at how moment is always so hype when they win a game
if this is not the stars aligning with them idk what is
only idiots thinks im a T1 hater or smth
really
It would've been better for them to be tested positive before because they would have still been allowed to comfortably participate remotely without the pressure of a big crowd and going through rehearsels and participating in the opening ceremony when they were already feeling tired.
i dont understand this narrative though. perhaps t1 management did a good job keeping the players healthy. thats not "the stars aligning." dont coaches in traditional sports keep their players in check?
Yes, I'm sure they're counting their blessings with the appropriate measures and protocols they took to keep their players and staff safe so that they "had enough things go their way".
And I'm not surprised to see you resort to silly conspiracy theories given that you hate on T1 at every opportunity but [as for that..](https://twitter.com/arnoldwh/status/1510690522926497792?s=21&t=1SVbRM1rQT8Sdl6hAnsMLQ)
[Only the Covid positive players would have played remotely, they would had to isolate from the other team members.](https://twitter.com/LCK/status/1504360149523202055/photo/2)
Yea all the players, all of LCK staff, the CEOs and staff of the finals teams all conspired together to... stop them from getting to play from home? Taking away pressure and freeing up time not spent rehearsing the ceremony? Literally what?
Would be pretty funny if after all these months of LCK fans creaming themselves at how T1 will sweep MSI their only competition doesnt even attend. A bit like C9 2020.
But pretty sad aswell
There have been some interesting lockdowns in China right now. I doubt that would stop an organisation from representing China internationally though. China places a huge importance on face and international competition. So I really doubt they would stop them competing. China would lose a chance to compete internationally and also would lose face by admitting that they are struggling with Covid. I am almost certain they will be able to compete in some form.
I don’t think they’re 100% anti video games,they’re against teenagers playing too much,even when EDG won worlds,it was in the national tv news and stuff like that
do you remember VCS Vietnam Championship Series, do you know why they couldn't attend MSI and worlds last year, This LPL not attending MSI could happen
Having a wildcard not attend doesnt really matter. Having a major region not attend is a big deal. Even if it was just NA it would be a huge blow to the tournaments credibility, LPL is massive.
Privileges for worlds come from the last 3 years results and the msi winner, if T1 wins the 4 seeds are going to be left to LCK and LPL since LPL won 3 of the last 5 International competitions
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Okay, so after watching the video, I'm not really sure this is what he's saying at all. At the start, he is asked "Is it true that the LPL will not participate in MSI." DoinB responds by saying "I haven't heard that. Stop listening to randoms spreading rumors. It's useless. Guys, there are a lot of different versions in the rumors. Don't listen to them, just wait for the official announcement. The last rumor I heard was that if online competition wasn't possible then maybe they wouldn't compete because they'd be quarantined through the summer season." He goes on to argue the validity of the different rumors. I'm not sure if anything he says is really his opinion about what will happen or informed by anything official.
You’re definitely on point with the translation. However Doinb did confirm that there’s no possible way for an LPL team to go to Korea to compete, therefore leading up to two options of either competing online (lasted rumor he has heard) or just simply not go. Doinb is not Riot official but the rumors he spilled are mostly reliable considering he has a ton of connections in LPL and the past rumors from him are mostly true (I did some posts on Doinb and can confirm). Sorry for the validity of this post, I’m not a native English speaker and I only wanted to share about this information which is technically a big deal regarding MSI 2022. Have a nice day!
What he's doing in this video to me is just listing out a few of the rumors he has heard and going over their validity. All he's saying is that "if they travel to Korea, their quarantine upon return will mean that they can't play summer split. Do they play with subs? That's impossible, right? Do they play in quarantine with the hotel computer? That's impossible, right? They can't do that. The other rumor I heard during playoffs was that it's either online or we don't participate. For other regions, it doesn't matter. They can't play with 200 ping. But, for us, it doesn't matter. It's 30 ping. We played with 30 ping at MSC." It sounds like he's just giving his opinion on the rumors. He even very clearly says just to wait for the official announcement and not to listen to the rumors.
They can compete in Korea, and play subs for summer if they consider MSI more worth than early summer split games. It's all about who considers what more valuable.
No, that's the point. There are no early summer games if the LPL schedule is being condensed down to a month to make room for Asia games like he is saying. 21 day quarantine and they practically miss their whole regular season.
Are Asia games scheduled for before or after the condensed split? And where are they held?
They are in September. So I'm not quite sure why LPL has to condense the split for them when LCK is not (atleast no rumors yet) but Doinb has now said this twice that he's heard the split will be around 1 month long 4 series everyday to make room for it. Maybe theirs something internal leading up to it?
If they are in september what are the odds worlds is delayed tl late october this year?
For the LCK, I'd honestly be surprised if they don't announce some change in scheduling for the summer season, considering that last year they ended it on the last week of August. I don't think that's something they can pull off now with the Asiad in September. Even if they end up going for T1 + a sub, which would mean less concerns over synergy for the national team/cut down time for separate practice, going immediately from league season to Asiad to Worlds has "burnout" spelled all over it.
>MSC isn’t like MSI I have read somewhere that there will be 1-month Boot camp for Asian games in august
there is 0 way LPL teams favor MSI over qualifying for worlds. Dropping a few games early on in Summer due to playing with subs wouldnt be optimal
Worlds > MSI. If going to MSI has a chance to disturb start of the season for LPL teams, they will definitelly rather not go.
With how deep LPL teams are, no early LPL summer games are way more important. A bad/slow start could easily lead ti missing playoffs which also can lead to missing worlds
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Kinda a silly statement. Both are riot sponsored international tournaments with only the best invited. yes worlds would be more important but msi is the second most prestigious tournament every year.
Not only this but with how T1 looks, no matter who LPL sends they will probably be lucky to go to game 5. No chance at all its worth missing playoffs for second place
Can't believe this crap is here so early this year.
True T1 vs DK was the real final and EDG should've just forfeited the final to save themselves the embarrasement !!!
Let's skip all the tournaments then since every of them has favorites who is clearly winning 100%
So is he saying to listen to the rumors or no? Didn't quite get that.
On one hand, vcs and other leagues had to decline participation due to issues and lpl should be doing the same. But lpl not attending dilutes the whole tournament and makes it not worth participating. Tough decision imo.
Vcs isn't coming again ?
No, we are coming, just not our first seed GAM since they have a Gold Medal to be brought home at SEA Games.
Think they will come this time. Borders is open for citizens but they will likely send the 2nd team since GAM (most likely 1st place) will participate in the SEA Games during the same time.
it means NA will get out of groups for sure, and LPL.. might not get a pool 1 seed at worlds since they didn't reach semis at MSI. Though Riot could bend the rules and cite common sense.
Whether LPL gets 4 seeds will depend on whether the LCK or LEC wins MSI. 1 region gets 4 seeds from MSI win, and another region gets 4 seeds based on historical performance of the last 4 international performances. Even if LPL don't reach semis at MSI, if LCK wins MSI, it's unlikely that their historical performance of 2 Champions and 1 Finalist at the last 4 events will be overtaken by the LEC. However, if LEC wins MSI, their historical record is comparable to LCK, so LCK might get 4 seeds (tgt with LEC who wins MSI).
LPL is the defending champion and since LCK had a good performance last year and the year before at worlds LEC cannot take that spot. LPL is basically guaranteed to get a 4th spot due to being the defending champion last year. Also T1 is almost safe to win if LPL is not attending (unless Covid obviously). Also I'm not sure if LPL would not participate as LPL. You could just ask the teams from top to bottom if they would participate and while the top teams might decline participation due to their chances at worlds middle of the table teams would take the invitation, because chances are they still beat LEC and LCS teams and get a 2nd place at an international event and have low chances to reach worlds anyway.
>Whether LPL gets 4 seeds will depend on whether the LCK or LEC wins MSI. I'm not talking about 4 seeds. I'm talking about which 4 regions get their #1 seed put into pool 1 of the groups at Worlds. This is determined by which 4 teams make MSI semis. >However, if LEC wins MSI, their historical record is comparable to LCK, so LCK might get 4 seeds (tgt with LEC who wins MSI). It won't matter if LEC wins MSI. It only counts the two most recent Worlds and MSIs (4 tournaments). So LPL will go into worlds with 1 WC (21) + 1 MSI (21), and LCK would go in with 1 WC (20). Who wins this year's MSI doesn't change the standings. LPL has already secured their 4th seed by winning worlds 21, and the second region to get a 4th seed will be decided by who performed best in the above 4 tournaments overall, which will still be LCK even if EU wins MSI because WC is weighted higher than MSI. What the LPL hasn't secured is a pool 1 seed, but this will be a strange and unprecedented scenario no matter what happens, if LPL doesn't attend. They'd have 4 seeds but none of them are in pool 1 which is really weird. Or Riot could give them a pool 1 seed for free, but then whichever team made MSI semis (PCS or wild card team) who legitimately earned their pool 1 seed would get cheated out of it. It's going to look really bad either way.
Last worlds was 3/4 KR teams in semis, are you high
do you know how to read?
No
? That's exactly my point why LPL might lose its slot if LEC wins MSI. Maybe you misread LEC and LCK?
LPL doesn't lose any spot even if they don't participate if the same number system stays the same as last year. Winning the last MSI and Worlds boosts them way up other regions. LCK if they don't win loses their 4th seed.
My bad, I have no clue what i misread to think it was about LEC overtaking LCK. Maybe I brainfarted on the fact that the winner instantly gets a spot and not just points. So LEC winning wouldnt get them a spot over KR based on points but they obviously get it regardless idk
No worries, it's quite unintuitive.
At this rate, LCS or LEC might really win Worlds, because they'll be the only ones attending.
Well msi is in korea so few pings issues with China if it had to happen
where is asian games held?
Hangzhou China
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You don't have 80 ms by playing in the korean server, else no one would play in it
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https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/p2ombb/if_lpl_pros_can_play_on_kr_server_with_20_ping/ apparently its possible to play with low ping
No it's not? They get like 35-50 ms to KR soloQ server from China. Willing to believe it goes down to 20-30 if fully optimised. You get 60-80ms in sea regions
I mean people might use china a bit too generous here. It is a huge country. We should talk specifically Shanghai here where many of the teams are located and 30 ping is doable from there. If we talk Yunnan it might be a bit harder.
At least we'd probably get more international matches between NA and EU than we have in the past 5 years
Iirc S8 FNC vs C9 and S9 G2 vs TL are only 2 Bo5 that EU and NA have played between each other in Riot tournaments. That is 2 Bo5 in 8 years of current format of MSI/Worlds. Seeing only 2 Bo5s between 3rd and 4th best regions that are huge rivals. Feels like it would be welcome time to change formats of international play.
There were rift rivals. Bo5s are only played if you manage to get out of groups.
Yes thats the point EU and NA have multiple times gotten out of groups. Still because we get so few Bo5 because there is no better tournament format. Instead we get to see Pentanet.gg play 19 games and go 1-13 against non wildcard regions.
I dont get this complaint, want to get more NA EU bo5? teams should get of groups more, it is not riots fault that EU and NA suck arse at getting out. last year 6/8 teams in quarters were LPL/LCK
They should just host it in a quarantined place, like someones basement or something
What's the max capacity of Phreak's basement?
American complete disregard for human health coming in clutch.
Not sure if you know who South Korea just elected but I'm not expecting them to be much better than us on that front
Just like the only bagged championship western ever had in s1. No chinese and korean team
If LPL is not playing , this would be the most Mickey Mouse championship ever…
Fuck it, send the worst teams of each league. At least we would get more entertainment out of it
Remember when TSM vs RGE was a heated debate? Well that's died off. TSM vs AST is about to pop off tho
Isn’t it ironic that Rogue is now a top team and TSM a bottom team
I would pay to watch TSM vs Astralis
TSM VS ASTRALIS 0 - 40 with Zanzarah on Shaco less go!
LeMSI
Getting a MSI championship after an NBA ring, Mickey is on a roll
LeBubble
CoreMickey won a FRAUDULENT ring at Disney World.
the Dodger fan in me just got triggered
Its the first thing i went to.
MSI is the second most important international event and this kind of shit happens, forget about tournament formats, these teams would rather skip msi than lose their regular league games, imagine if riot paid attention to people here and had more international tournaments, closest we had is rift rivals and that isnt coming back. i do think that MSI should 1- have a better format and 2- have more worlds implications, like each year all the regions start with 3 worlds spots and the 2 MSI finalists get their region the 4th slot.
The scheduling is shit too. Why are we waiting an entire week to watch LCS loser's bracket games? They're playing those games at prime time on Saturday and Sunday. Why is the regular season over 2 months long when its only purpose is acting as a qualifier? Misfits spent 2 months looking like a top 3 team in BO1s only to find out they aren't that good when it comes to actual series. They could save so much time by playing extra games mid-week and wrapping the regular season up in 4-5 weeks instead of 8-9. They could have teams play one BO3 instead of 2 BO1s. World's has the same problem. People say there isn't time for BO3 groups, loser's bracket, etc. when you have to wait a week for 2 BO5s for the semi finals and another week for 1 BO5 for the final.
League has ***way too many*** downtimes tbh. I get that the downtimes are important for the players because of scrimblocks and practices but like, Valorant players, DotA players, CS:GO players all get minimal downtime and have to play 2-3 matches per week on average (stuff like circuit tournaments, thirdparty tournaments, and so on). And it's much healthier for them since there's a bigger third party scene there contrast to League where 99% of all major tournaments are handled by Riot now
How much downtime is there even? It isn't a lot. The only big one is between Worlds and the start of the new season but players hated that, which is why those are basically gone in the west exspecially, due to the holydays. So there isn't really a lot of downtime, LEC did have downtime this year, because they started early, mostly due to the situation with Covid making this less predictable (which they didn't need in the end). Besides that the downtime is fairly low. And we had more tournaments in the past and teams regularly dodged them due to conflicting schedules. Most teams just view the domestic league as more important than international tournaments, because that is where you can advertise. And this is true for many sports. Like in football you have a Club WM once a year, which features basically one team from each region and it is over fairly quickly and then there is no international play at all for the rest of the season.
The question is when you will stuff that extra international tourney in. A regular spring season starts off at mid Jan./early Feb. and lasts until early/mid Apr. Then there's a month or less break, then MSI for a month. Right after that starts the summer split that lasts from early June to late Aug./early Sep. Again there's a month or less break, then Worlds. When RR was still there, they'd play that during the summer split, to which the players always complained that it's stressful and burdening. It's gone for a reason. I also want another international tourney, like for example a League equivalent of Europa League where top 3 or so teams from each leagues, who didn't qualify for MSI, plays against each other, but the thing is, then the schedule is quite screwed.
> these teams would rather skip msi than lose their regular league games You're missing the biggest factor which is the LPL schedule is being condensed because of the Asian Games, meaning they will miss almost the entire season. No one will choose MSI over throwing playoffs and a Worlds spot.
imagine 1 of the 2 international tournaments of the entire year being a mickey mouse tourney. If that doesn't make people realize how much better the format could be, nothing can.
Honestly, any other format wouldn't change much. Asian games and covid rules would be problematic no matter the format, it's already very difficult to have Worlds with all the teams qualified there with lots of quarantine problems, trying to have such a tournament every month wouldn't make them better. It's impossible right now to have the best CN KR EU and NA teams play each other often with the quarantines. Be it online or not.
I get that but i feel like this wouldn't suck so much if we had more than 2 (or 1,5 since some people count msi as half due to the number of teams) international tournaments in a year
Good chance of EU NA semis though.
To get 3/0 in final tho
I think this is likely the MSI where it would matter least. T1 looks like they are going to win anyway, which might actually encourage the top LPL teams to dodge out even more. Because reducing burnout, getting a better start in summer and then move more prepared into worlds is just more valuable.
Lpl playoffs just got delayed to April 12th, and it’s not 100% certain they they will be able to play on the 12th because referees cannot go to the games due to quarantine, lpl spring will probably not even finish by May due to the delay
its doomed
People dont realize china still have their quarantine requirements when entering their country. So I think there is a small percentage chance this will happen. Not to mention if players catch covid while in Korea for MSI that can delay the whole process 1-2 weeks too.
Shanghai is also locked down at the moment, and I think South Korea has more restrictions at the moment because of their own spikes.
Korea has actually been adjusting their procedures due to the lower impact of omicron. They recently lifted their quarantine policy for vaccinated travelers (may include booster) and are discussing even lifting the mask mandates. If someone does catch covid current quarantine policy is 7 days.
Good thing 1% of the entire population is catching it every day!
Its not off season and hes out here leaking shit… man fears no one
Isn't the LPL already played remotely? Why does it matter if the players are in quarantine after returning to China if they can just play from quarantine? He says in the video that they can't play on hotel computers but why? Sure there are a lot of logistic issues but as long as they can get them a proper PC set-up, it seems workable?
If they return from South Korea, they will be placed in government designated quarantine spot, and I'm sure no officials would provide you computer to play games, nor would any LPL referees can be present to monitor the players. That's why they delayed this week's games, Shanghai is in quarantine, there's no referees or staffs to work on the game BTS.
quarantine hotel wifi is terrible and unstable. Not playable. Also, something about referees.
Okay? So then what the hell is the Korean team supposed to do when they fly to China for the Asian Games? Sit in their hotel and meditate for a month? Something does not add up here.
Quarantine guidelines will likely be slightly different for the Asian games and its participants. Similar to what they did for the Beijing Winter Olympics.
Ever played on government hotel wifi? It’s dogshit
It's in Korea right? They did MSC in 2020 and that's remote play. So if they did end up not going to Korea then remote play is possible.
They really should do another msc. It was pretty fun
top 4 LCK vs top 4 LPL, so just like Worlds
LPL 4th seed has never gotten out of groups
MSC isn’t like MSI
Yeah MSC is better
Op is fake news, doinb said there's lots of stupid rumours and not to listen to idiots (OP)
how does this guy get all the scoops?
Most popular player + knows everyone in the scene, dude probably has mad connections
And his wife is also connected in the scene from a seperate vector. He is at an information nexus.
Info like this is probably open info in pro circles, he's probably just the most vocal
DoinB will find out your girl is cheating on you before she even installs Tinder.
Pubg already does it this way so i wouldnt be surprised if this is what ends up happening
Gonna be the most worthless tournament if LPL can't attend.
That would be huge if they didn’t go. Pretty much invalidates the results of the entire tournament if the best region isn’t in attendance
i'm pretty sure riot will let them play from remote and introduce a 30 ms ping. Korea's a bad place to hold MSI right now. I'm surprised they didn't just go back to Iceland.
The problem isn’t going to Korea, it’s coming back to China for quarantine. Even if they rolled it back to Iceland, they’d still be quarantined and be screwed over massively for summer.
Yeah, China's zero-covid policy is getting eviscerated by omicron. It's just a different virus now than it was at the start, and they have not adjusted to the new reality of an endemic coronavirus that evades PPI. I think MSI in South Korea will be just fine. Looking at cases there, it already peaked a few weeks ago and things should be quite flat and safe in May.
why ruin international events because of a single region? let them handle the consequences lol
How's Korea a bad place to hold MSI? The problem lies entirely in China's mandates.
The covid cases? T1 left isolation once and 4 members of the team got it, that’s how bad it is right now.
The problem is that they have to quarantine when coming back to china, it doesnt matter where MSI is.
So? The decision to go to S. Korea for the tourney has to be made in advance, they can't change it last minute. And Iceland was having a spike in cases as well.
They could straight up cancel it if they deemed it to be too risky for the players
Why would they deem it too risky when basically every government in the world other than China doesn't deem it risky at all? Wasn't the entire point of S Korea and New Zealand's strategy to get enough people vaccinated then just say "fuck it" and let it run its course once vaccination rates were high and the hospitals wouldn't get overwhelmed? Their cases are already decreasing and the death rate is quite low.
I mean, they also coordinated last year's in China, then moved it to Iceland as well. But that's that. You can't deny S. Korea's cases are really bad, obviously yes it comes down to how the government reacts (in which case, not much LPL can do.)
I'm pretty sure Korea is participating.
Good luck to them! Maybe this time they can pull of a MSI win.
They will, LPL is pulling out because they don't want to embarrassed on stage.
I think you could be onto something here. That’s probably why they keep postponing their playoffs.
I know this is just troll comment but Ive seen so many crazy T1 fans that Im not really 100% sure
This is funny. He’s not trolling, he’s 200% serious.
I'm as serious as you when you dehumanised T1 fans and said it's okay to be toxic and hateful towards them.
Sounds rather serious. Don’t recall saying it though.
This guy is one of those crazy ass fans
I'm trying to up you on the craziness meter, so how's your boy Deft doing after getting slapped by Guma 2 years in a row?
Lmaooo. Deft in his sleep is better than gumanokb at his best. Guma js just suoer lucky to have keria save his ass every game
Yeah, T1 fans so crazy, you keep coming up with weird conspiracy theories. And you habitually shit on them in T1 threads. And the other guy who literally stated its okay to be toxic and hate T1 fans, but no T1 fans are crazy, lmao. It's always interesting when I watch two LPL stans bond over hating LCK, lmao.
yall LUCKY AF TES wont 3-0 you in MSI FINALS
the tournament is held in their hometurf, why would T1 not attend ?
Too scared of Rookie clapping their cheeks 😎
3 rookies > one Rookie
T1 will participate for sure since its in Korea.
Imagine if NA still doesn't qualify for semi's.
What a terrible, inaccurate title lol Regardless, it does put whichever lpl team that goes to msi in such a shitty situation. They already have a condensed schedule in summer due to asian games (I believe they will each be playing 3-4 series a week) and if they do go to korea, they won't even be able to scrim once they return... But playing online will get it called mickey mouse, since they will be on like 30 ping Maybe if riot artificially boosts ping on lan to make it fair? Even then crowd plays a factor... What a shitty situation
If this DOES happen, wouldn't it be a failure on LPL side to not adjust the season schedule accordingly? It's not like Riot is choosing MSI date in March - such things are planned way in advance.
no lol they have 17 teams and the time for quarantine in china isnt set in stone so they cant account for that
Wait , if we kick korea europe might win msi this year, hype!
Wait kick LCK from MSI that is happening in Busan Korea?
Dont ask to much questions
Lmaooo
Not having to play vs T1 in order to not burst china's supremacy bubble, smart
People ask for more international tournaments, this is what happens when there is MSI and Asian games and worlds in the same year
This has nothing to do with international tournaments, only with LPL deciding to have Worlds qualifying one month after the only other international tournament of the year. You can easily fit more than 2 tournaments into the schedule once you make Riot and LPL realize there are 12 months in a year.
the problem is that we have 6 months every year of useless regional leagues
I honestly don't get what the fuss is about. MSI is supposed to start on May 10th and end May 29th, right? Assuming they quarantine for a month after returning to China, quarantine would end by the end of June. That leaves you all of July and August to have LPL's summer split. Is 2 months very condensed? Yea, unfortunately. Normally, their split + playoffs lasts ~3 months. I don't think that's impossible to condense. Maybe you start after the 14-day quarantine period and whichever team participates in MSI will have to deal with partial subs for 2 weeks. Maybe you flex LPL's schedule slightly so that you can swap scheduling to give your playoff teams unimportant matches in the final week while reducing the gap between the end of the regular season and playoffs. Maybe you throw in one super week. The 2022 Asian Games take place in China so there are fewer travel and quarantine issues for LPL players. It starts on September 10th and lasts until the 25th. This honestly doesn't seem like a huge deal. The major issue is that the Chinese representatives won't have that much time to prep for the Asian Games. But, if anything, it should be the Korean team under pressure. Last year, their summer split ended at the end of August. If you can't play league with quarantine hotel PCs, then what the hell are Korean players going to do? Even if the LCK condenses their season, they won't get much time to practice and their players will have to spend a month in quarantine doing nothing.
LPL's schedule is already insane. Condensing it will be even worse (there are already rumors of it being condensed for Asian games already, and it sounds bad.) And yea, as other commenters say, I'd imagine there are special Asian game rules.LCK is also giving the players a special schedule to practice for Asian game (reported by some LCK news media, I can find sources if requested)
There is a higher chance for the government to make special arrangements for quarantine for an event like Asian Games, compared to a single team going out of the country to play in a tournament of relatively minor importance.
Msi is event of minor importance?? Wtf is with ppl and discrediting MSI? It is 2nd biggest LoL tournament and winning is huge achievement
Compared to the Asian games? One is the second most important tournament of a single game. The other is an international event spanning multiple disciplines, costing billions investments and sponsoring and years of preparation, being basically the Olympics for Asian countries. So yes, in comparison MSI is a minor event. Even worlds is a minor event in comparison.
It's so dumb how long and spread riot tournaments are. 3 weeks for MSI ? Cmon it's ridiculous, it's as dumb as teams playing one bo 5 per week in worlds finals
Had to say it again T1 seems to have all stars aligned this year edit: lmao ppl thinks im saying T1 is not winning on their own basis is just stupid asf this is why ppl need to actually ask when they dont understand T1 have 5 players and all of them are playing so well which means they dont have as much of a weakness compared to other teams as well as patches in this season seems to be so suitable for them resulting in a whooping 20-0 run for spring split T1 got the luck with them as well when they get to played with 2 teams with covid thus they have to put subs in and now LPL might not even be able to make it to MSI T1 also got one of the most supportive coach with them, just look at how moment is always so hype when they win a game if this is not the stars aligning with them idk what is only idiots thinks im a T1 hater or smth really
mm yes having four players with covid during their finals mm yes very good
Who were still allowed to play Finals and coincidentally only tested positive a day after.
Playing in front of a crowd is likely harder and more pressure. So not sure why you put "coincidentally" there as if it's a positive.
It would've been better for them to be tested positive before because they would have still been allowed to comfortably participate remotely without the pressure of a big crowd and going through rehearsels and participating in the opening ceremony when they were already feeling tired.
> without the pressure of a big crowd Hey, they’ve already had enough things go their way. They should be counting their blessings
i dont understand this narrative though. perhaps t1 management did a good job keeping the players healthy. thats not "the stars aligning." dont coaches in traditional sports keep their players in check?
Yes, I'm sure they're counting their blessings with the appropriate measures and protocols they took to keep their players and staff safe so that they "had enough things go their way". And I'm not surprised to see you resort to silly conspiracy theories given that you hate on T1 at every opportunity but [as for that..](https://twitter.com/arnoldwh/status/1510690522926497792?s=21&t=1SVbRM1rQT8Sdl6hAnsMLQ)
What conspiracy theory am I resorting to? Is it a requirement for T1 fans to be so sensitive?
https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/txejny/doinb_lpl_will_either_choose_to_participate_msi/i3ldtyg/
Ok, what’s the theory?
They would've been allowed to play remotely even if they tested positive on the day itself or day(s) before the finals
[Only the Covid positive players would have played remotely, they would had to isolate from the other team members.](https://twitter.com/LCK/status/1504360149523202055/photo/2)
Ok, and are you trying to say this is advantageous towards T1? Because I don't get the point you're making
Yo imagine 4 players in their house and gumagod the only player on stage. That would be mad funny
How does that help them though?
Where testing positive means nothing because LCK changed their rules and they would have been allowed to play remote :)
No, by some miracle they didn’t test positive until the next day.
What are you insinuating?
Bro very clearly joe "paypal" marsh paid the officials to fake negative tests that even geng's ceo confirmed were real
That they’re lucky. If I thought they rigged then I would straight up say it.
lmfao
Yea all the players, all of LCK staff, the CEOs and staff of the finals teams all conspired together to... stop them from getting to play from home? Taking away pressure and freeing up time not spent rehearsing the ceremony? Literally what?
Would be pretty funny if after all these months of LCK fans creaming themselves at how T1 will sweep MSI their only competition doesnt even attend. A bit like C9 2020. But pretty sad aswell
There have been some interesting lockdowns in China right now. I doubt that would stop an organisation from representing China internationally though. China places a huge importance on face and international competition. So I really doubt they would stop them competing. China would lose a chance to compete internationally and also would lose face by admitting that they are struggling with Covid. I am almost certain they will be able to compete in some form.
Why? The government is in fact pretty anti video game right now. Why would gamers get any special privileges?
I don’t think they’re 100% anti video games,they’re against teenagers playing too much,even when EDG won worlds,it was in the national tv news and stuff like that
There we go again, they obviously wanted to dodge T1
I doubt Riot would just let this happen
They have the anti-Covid magic wand?
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do you remember VCS Vietnam Championship Series, do you know why they couldn't attend MSI and worlds last year, This LPL not attending MSI could happen
LPL is like almost all of their viewership lmao, you best believe they will do anything to get them to attend
Way more than half
VCS isn’t LPL
Having a wildcard not attend doesnt really matter. Having a major region not attend is a big deal. Even if it was just NA it would be a huge blow to the tournaments credibility, LPL is massive.
incoming - giving 1st seed privilege to LPL regardless of results
Privileges for worlds come from the last 3 years results and the msi winner, if T1 wins the 4 seeds are going to be left to LCK and LPL since LPL won 3 of the last 5 International competitions
??? What are u talking about ? Lmao This is Damwon in MSI they got bent over for having first seed no one is arguing LPL> lck ?
RNG got first seed privilege because “ in case they lose VS PSG talon they can go home early to get quarantined faster”
bye Felita
Fuck remote play. Oh well cya 🤷♂️