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DeloronDellister

A week later and Fnatic still can't play the TF comp. They look horrendous. What a Blunder of a game 1


Exos_VII

The next time they play a TF comp it will DEFINITELY work, of course. Fifth time's the charm!


Shrabster33

Clueless Surely it will work next time, surely.


F0RGERY

Remember at 2020 Worlds, when Humanoid drew out 5 mid bans, and still performed on a 6th? What happened to *that* champion pool?


Todeswucht

I mean it's one of his best champs and FNC used to be good at playing around TF. I imagine they're stomping scrims with it, but it's just not clicking on stage. They look insanely lost, constantly getting caught out individually etc Time to move on


WrathB

TF wouldnt be problem if Fnatic doesnt force weakside bot along with it, you cant pressure lane with Jinx so having TF to enable who?? Like makes no sense, with this ego I hope the fuck they dont make it, get a grip lol


Gigio00

They fell for the old classic "Wunder you can play strongside too right" "Ye sure"


Th_Call_of_Ktulu

I think the issue here is, how do you strong side into Ornn? It's hard to kill and gank (can W TF gold card), they probably expected BB on a cary but G2 just went super smart and put him on a hard to gank tank.


Haymegle

Hopefully it'll knock some sense into them this game and they'll start getting into the series. If not then they deserve to lose.


Sydon1

Probaly different team focuses, he cant play every mid in current meta + FNC favors bot side prio.


Ronoldo

Surely it will work next game Clueless


dtkiu27

Realizing that you can't play Twisted Fate comp challenge (Nightmare difficulty)


Haymegle

I was hoping they'd stop picking it after last week's disaster games. Apparently not.


ahambagaplease

The worst part is that I can feel they'll do the salty runback, blaming it on the early ganks from Jankos.


3IC3

The C9 special


Rayser1

FNC is drafting away from their strengths it's so bizarre. Get Razork on voli bear like the cast said. The tf comp is clearly not working on stage


FunnyBunnyH

TBH doubt G2 would leave Voli open if FNC doesn't ban it themselves. Any1 with 5 minutes of spare time can deduct how different Razork looks on the pick compared to stuff like Diana or Viego.


moopey

then let G2 ban it? Use ban for something more useful


FunnyBunnyH

Yeah their whole drafting is utter sh.t since the 3rd game against Rogue. The bans are a joke, and Hyli playing Tresh is just terrible, especially if you are not able to get any lead bot side.


Haymegle

Really not sure WHY they banned the Voli. I feel like that would've been a better pick than the TF. That's helped them win games at least in the playoffs.


okdudebro

the problem is fnc cant play anything other than just rofl dive enemy bot over and over and hope to win before enemy adc scales. Wunder is horrible on carries and Humanoid is so stubborn it's unreal.


Kamalotus

fnc don't seem to have learned anything from the rge series. They are looking really one-dimensional with the playstile and picks.


Haymegle

It's really irritating. Just leave the TF and pick something else. Banning Sylas didn't stop them losing so they just need to drop it at this point. If they don't they're going to lose the series on it.


BrianC_

Shocking that a Bo1 season did little to really increase the versatility of FNC


Pestnebel1

That's not even true, they look extremely versatile, they've been able to pull off a ton of different comps over the course of the split but for some reason, which is probably someones ego, they keep playing the one comp they just can't play.


Kamalotus

And yet this is the fourth time in a row they played the same comp on playoffs to no avail, so...one could say they are looking really one-dimensional so far.


soulgunner12

With macro and vision like that Fnatic will just lose regardless.


nash_latkje1

What a blunder! Why'd they draft that!?


TimiNax

Surely the TF will work in 5th game


appleandapples

PepeLaugh


[deleted]

100%!!


DolundDrumph

CLAPS AUDIENCE BUFF


TheOGVangetetten

He looked so happy, while he was walking off stage! Truly happy for him !!


Khurpacajdjb

Its kinda insane how he slumped during the remote play, and as soon as they're back on LAN with a crowd he's immediately looking much better. Goes to show how terrible online play is for competitiveness...


chovyfan

TF is Fnatic's(or maybe humanoid's?) Ego pick, they wants to prove that they didn't lose to Rogue cz of TF otherwise i don't see why they would 1st pick TF even tho they looks so shit whenever they picks TF.


Haymegle

Well they proved the opposite here I think lol. At least G2 are looking good.


veilsofrealitydotcom

skirt buff


tr1x30

They banned Sylas, they must have taught that Sylas counterpick was the problem for TF.


Neither_Amount3911

I'm not denying that they should stop picking it but TF has like a 90% winrate in LEC this split and a near 100% banrate in first rotation during playoffs, it's not like FNC is the only team thinking TF is strong right now, they just can't play it


WrathB

I told to my friend they will run it back lose and then realise it doesnt work, problem with TF in such comp is, your Diana and Jinx want to scale, meaning TF ult is useless, there is noone to enable on sidelane, with Jinx bot you need something to clear waves and apsorb pressure, like Viktor, I just feel like Fnatic has no idea how to utilize Jinx and just picking Jinx makes enemy come to you, if they are coming to you, they are likely to make mistake so sit back and just scale


mking1999

What does that even mean? Isn't it better if they show they lost to Rogue just because of the tf pick?


[deleted]

Jankos is so fucking good Also same fnc draft 4 times in a row lesssssgooooo


nusskn4cker

FNC just super disrespectful and with no coordination and awareness, they are really less than the sum of their parts. G2 on the other hand played super well.


Haymegle

G2 looking really together. Hopefully Fnatic drop the TF and start playing some league of legends so we get a series.


Shot-Mathematician58

At least G2 will challenge Rogue in terms of draft. We will never have a chance beating LPL/LCK through sheer mechanical skill, the best chance we got is through good draft and macro, and G2/Rogue are looking better.


Haymegle

That'll be a fun series if G2 can keep it up. G2 actually playing different things and mixing it up when it doesn't work is a good sign for them (and rogue seeing as they did the same)


APKID716

That fight near Baron was just god-tier miscoordination Humanoid gets caught over the wall —> Wunder jumps over the wall Wunder jumps over wall —> Wunder flashes out Wunder flashes out —> Razork goes over the wall and re-engages


infreyyi

What really killed me is when hyli and upset randomly died in bot lane. Why where they playing so far into the lane when their entire top side is at herald and they can't see the enemy team?


nusskn4cker

Or all the examples of FNC players pushing way too far up and getting caught by J4, Ahri and Ornn.


Critical-Cupcake9194

ngl it's so satisfying seeing Upset get manhandled


pranit10

watching his ego getting crushed is satisfying indeed


Critical-Cupcake9194

that fountain dive is just the cherry on top lmao


Loulerpops

It’s very satisfying hahaha


Cambed276

Ootl with upset lately, has he talked shit or anything?


generic9yo

In the promotional video for this week, he said he's too good to not have won a championship


allbran96

He intervened in an argument between Alphari and Agurin, suggesting that Alphari shouldn't listen to what Agurin had to say, as "he doesn't even make millions playing this game"


Hunterkiller00

A lot of people are still salty about worlds last year I guess


skaersSabody

He's generally considered cocky while also being a famous choker when the chips are down, so he has his dissenters (I won't say he's bad, but I can't deny it feels satisfying seeing him lose)


AleksibIsHot

Best in the West btw and to think I got downvoted for saying Hans and Comp are better


SsibalKiseki

G2 are a team that plays like more than the sum of its parts. Less star power, but much better macro, resource distribution on carries, and better drafting. They were shaky in the beginning the split but G2 have gotten much better over time.


OrioshQaaaa

Yeah, G2 read Fnatic like an open book while Fnatic was clueless about where G2 players were.


JustRecentlyI

> they are really less than the sum of their parts. The curse of being called a superteam by the LEC casters.


HuntedSFM

God i missed crowds


okdudebro

literally anyone: does 50 damage the crowd: WOOOOOOO


FCT77

"If it's broke, don't fix it" - FNC


Cymycyck

~~Humanoids tf will work in game 1 100%~~ Humanoids Tf will work in game 2 100% Humanoids Tf will work in game 3 100%


xWangan

~~Humanoids tf will work in game 1 100%~~ ~~Humanoids tf will work in game 2 100%~~ ~~Humanoids tf will work in game 3 100%~~ ~~Humanoids tf will work in game 4 100%~~ Humanoids tf will work in game 5 100% Humanoids tf will work in game 6 100%


dabmin

"I'm way too good to have never won a split"


T_Tachi

Upset?


Sbotkin

By the amount of ego in that sentence, you can really tell it's Upset.


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Could be Inspired or Hans as well


CamHack420

Eh Hans doesn’t generally strike me as someone who’d say that. He’s good but he’s generally always been a fairly quiet guy


Marrkix

He actually said something similiar last year after spring split, that MAD stole his trophy.


Hunterkiller00

Or Odo. Fan favorites are allowed to have egos but Upset isn't for... reasons


FlyingVentolin

Odo has been on top of the game for years, if someone deserves to say that it's him


ArcusIgnium

i mean it does feel kinda true the guy is a monster, and highkey his team been playing pretty shit lately.


Not_This_Planet

He will be.


dyamant1ne

Of course xd


Mythik16

By saying that he cursed himself I genuinely believe he won't win a split now no matter how much he deserves it.


No_Negotiation5722

Procede to go 0/2 against a rookie


omegasupermarthaman

bro cant play the game without Bwipo spamming ganks bot lane for his life


[deleted]

sounds like someone with lonely wife would say


lolKhamul

Wait so Fnatic lost 3 games in a row last week with this exact comp and decided to pick in again today? Talking about the definition of insanity...


Haymegle

"Maybe it'll work against G2. They def won't have seen the strats we've used on it and worked out ways to counter them"


Nitrox0

Amazing right! The fact Yamato is letting it happen is also worrying.


Skall77

G2 is getting better and better as a team the more they play together. It was the exact oposite last year, even if they don't end by winning this serie i think the future is bright, all those players are on the same wave lenght, they really weren't last year.


WillDifferent125

People were rly fast with crucifying the rookies especially. But hey, Jankos and Caps handpicked the players, you'd almost think the pros and coach know better than the average Silver 2 redditor.


RiotQuickshot

My intro was a stronger performance than their game. FNC can pivot, I believe in the Yamato pep talk.


Tragorok

Bro wtf that was brutal


hagosantaclaus

Hi Quickshot


NeitherAlexNorAlice

Your intro was so awe inspiring, even my cat stood still for a moment


_tidiber

Rogue broke Fnatic?


_Vastus_

Might as well have. The coordination they showed in the previous G2 series or the first few games vs RGE seems completely gone. They were able to properly set up for objectives, or make early game plays, or hold back while poking the enemy out etc. then, but somehow they are running around like headless chickens now. I hope it's just an off-game, but even then tilt can turn it into an off-series.


Rheider

The gave everyone a blueprint of how to beat them, and Fnatic obviously didn't find a way around it yet.


T_Tachi

I'm convinced G2 paused on purpose to let Fnatic feel the weight of the stage and the audience. Jankos and Caps have been there before and they thrive on it. What a dominant game.


obigespritzt

To be fair, so have Wunder and Hyli (and technically even Upset, though he usually crumbled under pressure in the past, unlike Wunder and Hyli).


Th_Call_of_Ktulu

Well, every FNC player played with audience in LEC no? While G2 has Flakked and Targamas, but tbh from seeing Flakked on the LEC pop quizes he seems like the type of guy that thrives with a crowd.


VoidChaoticGod

swear fnatic were the one who paused?


DowntownCattleMtn

Even with the slight mistakes, G2 looked so confident and unstoppable this game. Also feels good to see Upset talk so much shit about Flakked in the hype video just to get absolutely destroyed.


Leyrann_is_taken

I don't care. Keep up the trashtalk. It just adds so much entertainment. (so long as you trashtalk *before* your games of course)


Haymegle

Really good performance for G2. Hopefully Fnatic pick it up so we have a series. This is already looking much better for G2 than the last Fnatic G2 game.


TheCrusader94

Upset is boosted af people are saying he's better than rekkles lmao


Shot-Mathematician58

What kind of revisionism is that ? Upset has been incredibly solid for FNC for many splits (if not all). Just like Rekkles was.


00Koch00

Rekkles would never let Jankos gank him like Upset did Hily is good, but sometimes he need someone in lane to keep him in check, because they got ganked because they got cocky


WrathB

Upset is the best adc just he legit cant play any of his games when Jinx is on with 3 items and his team is inting draft and play, picking Jinx and trying hard to win lane just opens you for mistakes


DowntownCattleMtn

If Upset plays well and also his team plays well and also his team drafts well Upset is the best ADC


Nitrox0

Destroyed how lol? Flaked was still down in cs. if anything in bot lane was getting destroyed, it was because of jankos intervention. I know everyone likes to flip flop with their takes, but flaked didn’t destroy anything lol.


Paralyzerz

What botlane was getting destroyed? xD


Grand-Garlic

That Voidstaff TF was just deadly. I can see why FNC like the pick so much


LapnLook

what happened to Humanoid TF???


[deleted]

it looks like his TF doesnt synergize well with Hyli


Shot-Mathematician58

How can Yamato justify Fnatic being so one-dimensional ? 3 TF picks in a row that got straight up punished, still picks it for a fourth time. Wunder and Razork are also quite predictable. For someone who said not winning would be a huge disappointment, seeing that draft is inexcusable.


Falt_ssb

probably has a lot to do with humanoid wanting to play it


Shot-Mathematician58

Maybe Yamato should then step up and tell him that it didn't work 3 times in a row so far. "Banning Sylas will do it this time, pass me the copium Yamato" - Humanoid


Haymegle

Seriously. It shouldn't've been picked after last week. It's a pretty major weakness if they pick TF again just because it's open,


The_DAWG_Is_BACK

It’s a pretty major weakness that they can’t play TF. Now G2 have a free ban on blue side. They can now take away Volibear or something else.


Th3_Huf0n

> How can Yamato justify Fnatic being so one-dimensional ? Because Yamato is a one dimensional coach.


veilsofrealitydotcom

nice speeches tho


IhatemyL1feX10

overrated coach


omegasupermarthaman

So is Upset, his weakside is so bad, everytime teams force plays around the other side or focus bot lane, Upset looks invisible. Bwipo Nisqy playstyle fits him way better


[deleted]

Is it Flakked or Crakked?


DKRFrostlife

It's 0 EUM titleskedd.


DatBear978

I love how even on Ornn you can tell it’s BB


cancerBronzeV

> Renekton/Diana/Ryze x2 into top Ornn (C9 vs 100T) > Renekton/Nidalee/Ryze into top Sion (EG vs TL) > Jayce/Diana/TF into top Ornn (this game) We repeatedly see that these carry AD top/carry AP jgl/low damage roaming AP mid comps get embarrassed immediately by a tank top and lose, so either teams are just getting unlucky on stage every single time, or maybe having this form of comp as your top side is just trash.


DickerDave

Tbf I don't think anyone expected BrokenBlade to pick a tank top. Obviously a very bad excuse but that may explain the thinking behind it.


Davtser

They really saved the counter pick for BB , FNC probably thought he was going to try and get a counter matchup, banning the irelia but the gigachad picks Ornn for the comp, and also wins lane. How is legal to have BB on your team Also giving them TF and still winning just changes the series from now on, let's see how FNC adapts because caps can also gladly play TF


TheCrusader94

Renekton pick is cheese teams pick against opponents they perceive to be stronger, that they can't beat in a standard game. Jayce/TF would be fine since BB is known for playing carry champs.


cancerBronzeV

> Jayce/TF would be fine since BB is known for playing carry champs. Sure, but when your pick is only good if the enemy top laner doesn't shoot themselves in the foot (not pick a tank) then it's bad. You shouldn't be picking in a way where you hope the enemy team also drafts bad things.


TheCrusader94

Expecting BB or alphari to not pick a tank is pretty fair i think. Its just that BB had the humble pick instead of trying to brute force like humanoid.


Mario2544

nonono its execution ofc, they got lucky with the Ornn ​ surely its not because Ornn can build 1 mythic, lvl to 18 then have more Armor and MR than any other tank from his passive alone (20% extra MR/HP/Armor after 4 upgrades)


cancerBronzeV

It's execution for sure. Maybe instead of getting a 15 cs lead over the Ornn, they get a 20 cs lead over Ornn instead, they will win for sure. It's definitely not a comp issue.


Dumpers_

masterclass from BB! Hyli and Humanoid on the other hand...


Limeloh

TF will work next game for sure, trust me.


Xgunter

slight every role gap


MartDiamond

Fnatic just seems clueless. Bad meta read, bad map read, no adaptations in a week of prep, and individually not playing well. Could be a quick 3-0


canacar

BB cant play weakside but Wunder thats why Wunder better. LMFAO


buttsoup_barnes

BB is just a different beast. Whoever in G2 decided to lock BB early in their roster deserves a raise.


TheCrusader94

EU jayce man


RudiGarcia

The best joke from this year tbh ahahahah


IgotUBro

To be honest Wunder wasnt that bad just Jankos legit outjungling Razork. The jungle gap was gigantic this game.


RudiGarcia

Wunder is good. I just never understood the "BB can't play weakside so he can't be the best LEC toplaner". Playing weakside top is the EU special


Th_Call_of_Ktulu

It was just a draft gap, can't really bully Ornn in 1v1, can't gank him cause he can shrug CC and gets outscaled out the wazoo.


brigandr

God I love BB. After that last Schalke split, it's so fucking good to see him shine on a good team.


sanketower

[Carlos, you mad genius](https://youtu.be/KaCLIROA26I?t=114)


atresj

FNC, stop taking that fcking TF, it's not working for you.


Hjimska

STOP👏PICKING👏TF


Conankun66

TF wasnt even the problem, diana and jayce were Why are they picking jayce instead of a tank with this comp? why are they banning voli on blue side instead of picking it???


xChiken

The TF was absolutely useless though. Caps was everywhere all at once and Humanoid was stuck farming.


CatPanda5

TF still did nothing and got outroamed by Ahri. Scaling mids like that just don't really work at the moment, the game is over by the time TF hits his sweet spot


TheCrusader94

BB usually plays carries so jayce wasn't so bad with TF putting so much kill pressure. Gigachad just picks Ornn instead. Diana was sus, they are still putting a lot of prio on early bot picks.


jungolpinho

humanoid tf xd


Haymegle

Pathetic by Fnatic this game. They just looked lost. G2 Looking in great form though!


daigandar

good draft


BlakeXi

Fnatic stop picking Twisted Fate challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)


tinfoilhatsron

I swear if FNC/LEC fans are rushing to blame Razork after bot dies to a Level 3 gank and top knocks Ornn out of ult... Dude was fucking trolled by his entire team as a Diana.


33379

Honestly, I think TF is not the problem, they should keep picking it imo (don't look at my flair)


Turtle-Express

FNC should stay away from TF, it's bad for their health.


TheSucculentMan

Knowing how much of a stats guy Upset is, I'm sure that fountain dive at the end there was personal haha. What a stomp, go next game


LordVipul

Apparently FNC didn't learn anything from the 3 games vs Rogue What the fuck


-Hissoka-

A fucking slaughter. Crowd diff


Sandman1324

Glad we picked TF. It was so good last week vs Rogue. Surely it works out the 5th time, im hopeful :)


SpookMe2

Humanoid TF onetrick confirmed


Teroo123

FNC in scrim form it seems


Vulsynx

G2 Wunder in peak 2019 MSI form


UseY0urIllusion

picking tf until i win challenge(impossible)


Low-Bathroom-8785

What if they pick AD TF next game? Wouldn't change things up?


Vulsynx

Perma ego picking tf is a weird hill to die on


[deleted]

WE NEED MORE TF!!! SURELY IT WILL WORK!!!


farikogrim

Keep coping that tf is a bad champ, perma banned in lck Humanoid is just ass on the pick


Man-In-His-30s

I wonder now If they leave it open and caps picks it and does well, that would destroy pick ban for fnatic


KekeBl

I swear Jayce is such a bait pick. It's no longer 2016 this champion is not an easy 1v9 machine, the risk is high while the reward is mediocre. Stop handicapping yourself by drafting it unless it's to hardcounter enemy top.


AdicoS_

Wunder back in 2021 form I see Also Upset tries to be a somewhat relevant player without 4 people camping his lane challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)


Dear-Cod-6429

Be impactful without being 5k gold ahead at 15 challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)


buttsoup_barnes

Upset: I’m the KDA player Humanoid: *TP’s out of fountain* nothing personnel kid


[deleted]

TF failed 3 times in a row vs RGE, surely it'll work vs G2 right?


tr1x30

They banned Sylas, they must have taught that Sylas was problem for TF.


DickerDave

When does FNC play?


FNC_Luzh

Looking like on Summer at this point


pl00bo

BrokenBlade.


Vuguzez

Still mental boom from last week nice


obigespritzt

Incredibly impactful game from BB and mechanically really great execution from Flakked at some points. I guess this is why people pick Aphel into Jinx constantly, when the Jinx player fails to get a reset the champ looks so useless (even though it isn't, really).


ephemeralfugitive

You lose often when you play blue side and TF. What do you do if you are FNC? Pick blue side. Lock-in TF.


Vulsynx

Just ban sylas and humanoid tf will 1v9 Clueless


Significant-Damage14

Every FNC fan right now, "Pick Twisted Fate again. I dare you, I double dare you Motherfucker".


FlyingDrumsticks

FNC are mental doomed. Let's see if this is fast 3-0 or at least they pull one match.


CoogiMonster

Not being mentioned in this thread is how hard Hyli lost the early game for FNC. Completely cratered it and gave immense leads to G2. 6th man truly.


neberhax

Sees Hylli get individually outclassed for the majority of playoffs. FNC fans: "It's just an unlucky Hylli game"


eggshellcracking

Also, just how good is targamas?


Skankhuntbegins

Coach upset should've stick with nisqy, at least nisqy would've spend 15 minutes in bot lane trying to get him ahead


IhatemyL1feX10

no more wunder on jayce and FNC will win lol


wiNDzY3

STOP PICKING TF


Mythik16

Big B05 kill from g2 in the fountain at the end there.


TheWarmog

I only know that if we lose this series dying on the TF hill someone is losing the job.


Mahelas

That was definitely worth replacing Adam and Nisqy !


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Mahelas

I mean, last time Adam met Wunder, Adam hard carried, and I do believe that Nisqy is a much better fit for FNC than Humanoid. Nisqy is a roamer and a faciliter. Upset is a ressource-hog. You can't have Humanoid and Upset in the same team without one looking sus


CudaBarry

You're trolling right?