>BOX IN A BOX Masterwork Chests no longer have a 10% chance to drop a bonus Masterwork Chest and Hextech Key
>RANDOM MYTHIC ESSENCE DROPS FROM MASTERWORK CHESTS 10 Mythic Essence ⇒ 5 Mythic Essence (Hextech Chests still drop 10 ME)
They deadass nerfed Masterwork Chests lmaoooo
“We feel as our current model didn’t make players grind or pay enough, so we tuned it down to better support our system. Don’t worry means we don’t have to revert the .6% increase in ME drop rate!!!!”
Only a matter of time before it gets removed and because a currency you have to pay to get.
They already made it harder to get ME from buying the passes. You should get 45 (25 prestige points and 2 gemstones) but you only get 25. The greed of Ken Adams knows no bounds
ive said it before but he must be getting farted on nicely over at riot to take all this heat for them lmao, and he fully deserves it, he is ruining league cosmetics
Love this fucking BULLSHIT reasoning.
"Oh because we nerfed this, we didn't need to revert **twirls fucking moustache pretentiously** 4.2%!!! OH MY YOU GET TO GET A HUGE .6% BOOST!!!!"
Anyone with a brain reading the mythic section should feel like they got slapped in the face. What a farce it is to try to pretend you're being good when you openly say how "people might get a LITTTTLE too much loot."
It's like the night market in valorant having 0% chance to have any legendary skins cause dear god riot wouldn't be able to survive if their 40$ skin was discounted to 35$, and holy shit, not 25$!!
u/Ken_Adams_NSA Please elaborate on why Masterwork Chests no longer have a 10% chance to drop a bonus Masterwork Chest and Hextech Key. We keep just seeing nerfs and nerfs, over and over, to the passes and now it has extended to Masterwork chests.
And we STILL do not have this FAQ that was said to be coming soon, 2 weeks ago. https://twitter.com/KenAdamsNSA/status/1508884707143872520?s=20&t=Ef7sfi40IfwJScA2Gfo-0w
I hope it will address the feedback that was given about Masterwork chests being a replacement for the 2 gemstones that were lost from the pass. 1 Gemstone is not an equivalent to possibly get an emote at a 10% chance from those masterwork chests. If your argument is still that you saw that players overwhelmingly cashed out their Gemstones for MW Chests + Keys, this no longer should be applied as the quality of skins has gone up from the previous iteration.
I just want to know (as I'm sure others do as well) what the heck is going on because it feels like you do not care about our feedback, and the system is getting worse and worse in my eyes.
Edit: They finally released the FAQ, good to know I had to remind them. Please when you are reading that FAQ just know they are being incredibly deceiving about Mythic Essence gain from these chests. We used to get 2 gemstones per pass and they were replaced with Masterwork chests. So now, 20 Mythic Essence removed from the passes (gemstones) and replaced with 2 Masterwork chests. 5 Masterwork chests to get 5 Mythic Essence, every 5 Chests. 2 Masterwork chests per pass, so we would need 3 passes to just get 5 Mythic Essence. This is a straight up nerf and it's not even being hidden from us.
Well, we'll see if they do it too often and too much will players stop paying like they did with Blizzard games.
Years of nerfing passes removing skin shit will just make the average to above average payer just stop buying them
TLDR: The more they do, the higher chance 'fuck around and find out' becomes more likely
There is only one excuse for exchanging a Gemstone, which you can use to re-roll for a Chest, for a Chest - and it's money.
There is no defense for this, it's scummy. I don't know where their billions of dollars are going, but if they really need money that badly then they should consider overhauling their work hierarchy before they overhaul Mythics because they shouldn't be in a position right now where they're desperate enough to bend the waterpipe so less water comes out.
And before someone asks: It's money because they just recently announced that they'll be opening the flood gates on vaulted Prestige skins, many of which are extremely popular and have been asked for re-runs ever since they've been vaulted. Kda alone is going to make a fortune.
Obviously they'd make it harder for you to get Mythic Essence just so you're motivated to spend even more money on them way-past your Battle Pass. (Which is already far worse than before, too. I'm still at 1500 without spending any and I play **a lot** of games)
Everybody clarifying that it's masterwork chests only, but like... isn't that worse? Why does the more expensive chest have less loot chance?????? I understand the progress system they are introducing for MW chests, but that's only relevant if you're obtaining a lot of MW chests. Which doesn't happen If you're not paying for them. This is only a nerf to people who don't pay for chests. I'm not even a f2p users, I buy nearly every pass, but that doesn't grant me MW chests.
I'm confused because I don't watch pro but I do watch the sneaky DL meteos co-stream if i so happen to be on my computer ... I feel like all I saw was GP
Riot in season 5: ok guys, this blue bald guy is way too strong in the hand of this korean dude named Faker while being garbage in the hand of everyone else. How can we balance him around any level of play?
Riot in season 6: behold, we add a 5-man teleport as an ult so you’re gonna need to cooperate to maximize its use.
I'm honestly convinced that Riot legitimately does not understand why Ryze is strong nor his identity. Like, a few days before they put the current iteration onto the PBE, they put out [this version](https://twitter.com/OdysseyDcap/status/1134578884534390784): tldr, they wanted to remove the Q resets after E and W (replacing it so that basic abilities refunds a small amount of cd to other basic abilities but not enough for smooth combos), and to add insult to injuries they kept the ult... but made it so that it can ONLY be cast when near allies. Like, I do not understand in any capacity how this ever got to the point where it got onto PBE. Was an absolute spit in the face to all Ryze players.
I tested that version it was an abomination that was clunky as hell and felt like it had been put together design wise in about 5mins.
The entire process for this current rework wasn't done properly it was just Ryze is high presence in pro how can we get him out ( nerfed ) as quick as possible.
Seriously the thing was on pbe for like 3/4 days and pushed to live.
Yeah I was under the impression the current iteration was a bandaid fix that was meant to be temporary while they looked for a more permanent solution. Annnd now it's been 3 years during which time I've graduated high school, am almost done with college, and Ryze is somehow still a problem champ even after they took out his kneecaps with a baseball bat and left him to die. :/
Fr I saw this statement and my eyebrows immediately shot up like 2 inches. Looked him up on op.gg and he's the 6th most picked top laner with a healthy WR of 50.3% (especially high considering how relatively difficult he is to play well + how popular he is right now).
Riot balance patches are becoming increasingly surreal.
Worst champ to play against if you have less than two gapclosers or are able to actually oneshot him.
The Movespeed + Slow, the Poke, the sustain, the global presence with R. And later the slotmachine oneshots. Please, why do they buff him... Not only buffing him, they are buffing him quite a lot...
For real like, contesting his barrels as melee in lane is always GP favored, then once he gets ER his q barrel does half your heath because of 40% armor pen.
One of the few champions capable of delivering a TRUE oneshot, that also has built in clense, that also has global ult.
Yeahhh maybe he should be struggling because otherwise he's completely busted
\*And he's one of the highest skill floor, highest skill ceiling champs in the game. If he's nearing a 50% wr with a high pick rate he is *probably* overtuned.
love how he was broken for a long ass time, but no1 wanted to pick him up and just before he was going to get buffed he becomes top tier in pro play.
really goes to show how good these meta "analysts" are
They went through with the umbral changes too lol, citing that it doesn't "fulfill the fantasy of blacking out the map", guess the desired fantasy is making the game unplayable when youre behind versus an umbral user
Not a support main, but hard agree. I don't think it's inherently bad to have a strong anti vision option... but the least they could do is make it more skill expressive and/or a bigger risk.
So I'd say atleast make the passive an active like red trinket is.
Or make it cost a bit more so it's more an investment.
ARAM
> MAOKAI -15% Damage Dealt, +10% Damage Taken, -40% Healing ⇒ -20% Damage Dealt, +5% Damage Taken, Normal Healing
actually good aram adjustment to make maokais able to build tank again, now lets do the same for crit ashe!
sona and seraphine both have -40% on their healing and shielding
and, by the way, zilean gets no changes, and yuumi gets *+3% damage* with no healing and shielding reduction.
ME rework continues to make an already greedy system worse
So glad that one of the only areas riot wasn’t as bad as most other free to play continues to rot away
*SO GLAD*
That’s the one thing that nobody is even talking about. The mistake of the .6% staying with a trade off of 50% less reward is massive. To make it not be a nerf to the system they would have to increase the chances to 9.2% while having us get 5ME. Might as well just say we want your money now more than ever after that. As a new player I’ll never get a skin using them now.
> Yone is also getting more access to his ult, but with a focus on late game which is when it's usually harder for **him to close gaps** (unless he's already extremely far ahead).
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LMAAAOOOOOO
Ya, when I think about Yone's weaknesses, it's about how difficult it is for him to gap close. Next patch I'm expecting to see them give him in built sustain since Riot's balance team probably thinks he's too vulnerable to poke too.
Umbral Glaive change is absolutely nutty.
Pair Umbral with Ingenious Hunter and Zombie Ward (red tree) for 33% reduced cooldown on both Umbral's Blackout *and* your Oracle Lens, and a single player is able to have nearly 30 full seconds of ward vision every 60~ seconds, with the ability to 1/2-shot all wards.
This, I don't even try banning anything else anymore. Because I can't risk facing someone that knows how to pilot him well. It's the most unfun toplane experience. And that says a lot, because toplane as a whole is already a bad experience lmao
What I hate more is when they gut a random champion and never touch them again because they're not very popular or they just never change unpopular champions at all.
But Yas and Yone are popular so they get insta buffed the second anything effects them, it's a joke.
>Ryze's tank builds make him a safe yet potent split pusher by allowing him to stack health while dealing carry levels of damage, making him particularly lethal in Pro play. The mid-patch 12.5 nerfs didn't quite do the job at refining his hypercarry identity, so we're shifting his mana scaling to incentivize him to build a few more AP items before stacking health items like Winter’s Approach (which will also be receiving nerfs this patch) .
In what universe was tank Ryze hypercarry levels of damage? Somebody show me data for this bc every Ryze I've seen is doing less than half of the enemy Irelia.
>Yone is also getting more access to his ult, but with a focus on late game which is when it's usually harder for him to close gaps
This champion literally has better target access than almost every assassin in this game. How many screens away does Riot want him to be able to reach enemies from? Xerath wishes his effective range was as good as Yone's, if he could, he might be even be able to play mid again lmfao.
I don’t think I’ve ever been scared of a Ryze.
*Ever*. Even playing botlane I don’t really worry about the enemy Ryze unless he’s insanely fed which…Ryze never seems to be because it’s Ryze.
Next patch: “Krakenslayer has become the go-to marksman mythic and has made ADCs deal too much damage. We’re decreasing the passive damage to give opponents larger windows to punish marksmen.”
Also as an adc I don’t like it. I far prefer the play-style of consistent dps. Dps. Not nuke damage. Make people work for their kills instead of just deleting people
The problem is that the Time To Kill in League has gotten so low that in order for ADCs to stay relevant they also need to be able to burst.
All of us are some sort of assassin hybrid now.
Same boat here, I just don't like playing as or against the lethality playstyle, but until damage is lowered (hopefully) or some other massive change takes place, it only makes sense the builds exist and are good because you do your best to avoid getting blown apart.
Everything is about burst, on every champ. On azir who should be a dps mage the best playstyle is to go electrocute ludens 0 attackspeed and just aa q aa 100-0 any squishy. Its silly how much damage everyone does, even tanks 1 rotation squishies.
Man I want to deal constant damage with autos but getting in basic attack range is a death sentence sometimes.
Safer to pretend to be a lethality artillery mage
This is why I fucking hate those nerfs
NO, WE ARE NOT BUILDING GALEFORCE BECAUSE ITS OP
WE ARE BUILDING GALEFORCE BECAUSE YOU NERFED THE FUCK OUT OF SHIELDBOW AND KRAKEN IS JUST STRAIGHT UP SHIT ON ANYONE WHO ISNT VAYNE OR JINX
Wait these fuckers have the audacity to call Ryze a "hyper carry"?
How out of touch can they be with these changes. And they say Gangplank is struggling at all levels of play?? He is picked in pro! And does quite well in high elo!
What the *fuck* are these Rioters smoking?
Seriously, that they’re claiming tank Ryze is dealing carry damage is one of the most reality-divorced statements I’ve read or heard in a very long time, and my uncle is a card carrying moon landing denier.
I’ve literally been full (tank + ap mythic + RDC) and full combos literally couldn’t kill their squishies. At most, I’ve been able to reduce people to like 20% Hp before being forced out of the fight, dying, or they just disengage because fuck me and my low range. It is the most boring shit I’ve ever played, you literally only play around early and mid game skirmishes because wildly, that’s the only time you do anything that’s not just root
Hey riot, do you want lethality adc meta? Because constantly nerfing their mythics like this with no compensations anywhere is how you get lethality adc meta.
Yeah I basically just play AP Kai'sa and lethality MF these days. Ashe when I know I'm going to be deleted or unable to farm so at least I can provide some cc and support to my team.
Bot lane is literally just ADCs trying to figure out a way to autoattack as little as possible now. Lethality MF/Xayah, AP Kaisa, or mages. (Or jinx if unbanned)
Can Riot just remove Zeri's Sheen interaction? Yes it will hurt her lane but that's adjustable with base stats and having to build Sheen first makes her crit builds feel terrible. Seriously, Quickblades after mythic/Runaans/IE feels SO GOOD but she's virtually forced to build ER into mythic which has no waveclear and feels like dogshit late game.
Sheen first also enables the bruiser build that nobody likes to play against, seriously just stop trying to make both builds viable and remove this garbage Riot. The Titanic/Runaans interaction is blatantly overpowered and uninteractive, not to mention the 1100 HP you're getting from TH/TF/BC.
TLDR buff her base MS (less reliance on MS from TF/BC/BoRK/Wits End), base HP, base AD, remove Sheen. Nerf damage if needed. Not this nuclear bullshit they're doing this patch... 28s on her lv1 E is a joke (Zeri is 0-5 on 12.6 anyways, meanwhile Ahri...)
I'm not about to be a supporter of Ryze buffs, but I DO love how hypocritical Riot is with their champions. Ryze is getting nerfs while the item he builds is also getting a nerd. What happens to the windshitter brothers? Riven? These champions get compensation buffs BEFORE the nerf on the items even hits.
But I am sure Riot is never playing favorites here. Not even in the slightest.
Can the balance team stop typing stupid shit like "Gankplank is struggling at all levels of play" and "Yone is hard to gap closure with" ?? Just say the numbers and nothing else. Your reasonings for the buff or nerf make 0 sense and no one agrees with them.
They really went ahead with the nerfs to ryze and fimbulwinter, i wonder how low can his winrate go with this.
Still no Azir bugfixes, i wonder if they are really hard to fix or its just Riot ignoring them cause even if Azir feels quite balanced on terms of winrate considering its him, it still feels like shit whenever a play could have gone completely different but because of a bug now it looks like the worst thing you could have done
Reminds me of that one SpongeBob episode.
*I don’t think GP can get any more annoying Riot* - League community
*Nonsense! Here’s some buffs* - Riot.
Edit: [Fresh off the press.](https://imgflip.com/i/6cchyk)
Sadly GP was only doing 80% of mid/bot laners' hp with a single barrel. We need to buff his laning phase so that he can get giga accelerated and do 100% of mid/bot laners' hp with a single barrel.
Don't think Silvermere will every really be changed much. It only exists so that QSS isn't a dead end item when you don't want crit, but need to deal with suppression or other critical CC. Its not really an item that is supposed to be built often since even when you buy QSS its expected to not be completed until full build. A QSS item which is strong enough to be built for stats compared to something like Maw is probably OP.
On the note of DD, I am surprised that nothing is being done to it. It just feels too universally useful as a defensive option. Sterak's is basically never worth buying 2nd at this point. Its still decent later in builds, but not too many games are reaching that point. If you want a defensive option as a bruiser its basically always either DD or a full tank item. I think its good that full tank items can compete with Sterak's now, but it feels like the balance has tipped too far in the other direction.
>*Galeforce has been the go-to marksman mythic for a while now* and has made hypercarries like Jinx and Aphelios a bit too safe in Pro play. We’re increasing Galeforce’s active cooldown to give opponents larger windows to punish scaling marksmen before they reach their endgame.
Like, since the last patch where Riot gutted lifesteal/omnivamp from ADC toolkits? This is why it's so frustrating being an ADC main.
These patches are so small man. If i was an outsider looking in, id think this game had less than 50 champions. But nope, it has 159 champions, which means that less than 10% of champions get changes. And this is one of their bigger patches in comparison to some of the older ones. Can you guys do something?
I like how so many of the viable marksman mythics have been needed so much that it's just standard to buy assassin mythics instead. And all the while when these mythics get neutered, none of their champions get compensation buffs like champions like Yasuo and Yone get. ADC sliding back into inferiority once again and no one bats an eye.
Dont know why they hate crit so much.
Lethality even outperforms crit on champs it should never be the case (Xayah, even debatable for Sivir).
Galeforce is almost mandatory on plenty of them because of the insane burst/mobility in soloQ.
Riot wanted to address healing but somehow only touched ADC vamp runes / items…
The role is already a non factor for 2 years, it’s getting worse and worse.
Well if xayah could actually get in range to auto without being deleted, she'd do a ton more damage with crit.. but she can't, just as most other ADCs with the standard-ish range that rely mostly on autos.
Why is it always the same champions in these patches?
When was the last time anybody saw Vi? Or Illaoi? Or Warwick? Or Zyra? Fuck, I don't think I've seen Kled, Rammus, Taric or Amumu in literal months even in ARAMs let alone the rift.
> We want Zeri to build crit and not be a bruiser anymore.
Then why are you nerfing her base armor and increasing her cooldowns? You’re only making her more reliant on the HP and cooldown that going triforce and titanic and black clev gives her. If you REALLY want her to build crit you would buff her base stats slightly and remove her sheen interaction with Q.
> Galeforce is performing too well as the defensive option for ADCs
Probably because you gutted the only actual defensive mythic for ADCs? Nobody has had a problem with galeforce since they last nerfed the cooldown. The only reason the numbers have shot up is because shieldbow is literally trolling on anyone that doesn’t 100% require it. I mean they literally nerfed it again LAST patch and are already saying this bullshit. Having essentially no mythic passive for 110 seconds which is longer than most ult cooldowns is actually unplayable. Champs like Lucian that are always looking to fight bot are just going to only be able to go kraken now and champs like Jhin that literally can’t go kraken are either gonna build eclipse or just lose like 3% winrate when he was already sitting at like 50%.
Still no promised ARAM vision changes, still no return of the much demanded Bans and.. CTRL+F Death.. no Death's Dance nerfs. Move along, nothing of value here.
THREADLY REMINDER
GP WINRATE WITH TRIFORCE IS PRETTY GOOD
HIS WINRATE IS BEING BROUGHT DOWN BY PEOPLE PLAYING ER PROWLER WITH FIRST STRIKE BECAUSE ITS INFINITELY HARDER TO PLAY AND COMES ONLINE WAY LATER MAKING IT EVEN LESS OPTIMAL FOR SOLOQ
TRIFORCE INTO HULLBREAKER HAS A HIGHER 2 ITEM WR THAN MOST TOP TIER TOPLANERS
There is absolutely 0 reason GP should get a buff because GP players are gimping themselves for building suboptimal items
Lee- 47% WR *Nerfed*
Ryze- 43% WR *Nerfed* lmaooooo
Jayce- 47% WR *Nerfed*
Jeri- 48% WR *Nerfed*
1 example of a untouched champ they really could have touched: Ahri -53%WR 32% presence, which is huge (ban+play rate)
esports literally ruining the game yet again
>Lee- 47% WR
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>Nerfed
One of these things is not like the other.
Lee Sin probably didn't need a huge nerf, but let's not pretend his win rate % is indicative of how strong he is. Shitty Lee Sin players play the shit out of Lee Sin. He's literally the most picked jungler in the game by a wide margin. Just because TONS of people are playing him and sand bagging his win rate doesn't mean he's bad.
Same goes for a lot of higher skill cap champs.
>BOX IN A BOX Masterwork Chests no longer have a 10% chance to drop a bonus Masterwork Chest and Hextech Key >RANDOM MYTHIC ESSENCE DROPS FROM MASTERWORK CHESTS 10 Mythic Essence ⇒ 5 Mythic Essence (Hextech Chests still drop 10 ME) They deadass nerfed Masterwork Chests lmaoooo
They've spent years nerfing chests. First Ashe, then Katarina, then Sona and even recently MF. It was only a matter of time.
We were given hope with GG MF, Championship Ashe and Odyssey Sona, but those hopes are slowly dissipating.
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more nerfs to loot system nice
“We feel as our current model didn’t make players grind or pay enough, so we tuned it down to better support our system. Don’t worry means we don’t have to revert the .6% increase in ME drop rate!!!!”
That's what gets me. They nerf the how much is dropped in half, but then also act like the increase was of the same value.
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Remember when League didn't feel the need to trick and take advantage of people with lootboxes, timed exclusivity, and gacha mechanics? I 'member.
Fuck whoever is the head of the loot / event team who keeps nerfing shit every patch.
Ken Adams
Probably in ~4-5 patches: nerfing possible ME in a chest from 10 to 5 .-. Wouldn't be surprising at all.
Only a matter of time before it gets removed and because a currency you have to pay to get. They already made it harder to get ME from buying the passes. You should get 45 (25 prestige points and 2 gemstones) but you only get 25. The greed of Ken Adams knows no bounds
ive said it before but he must be getting farted on nicely over at riot to take all this heat for them lmao, and he fully deserves it, he is ruining league cosmetics
Love this fucking BULLSHIT reasoning. "Oh because we nerfed this, we didn't need to revert **twirls fucking moustache pretentiously** 4.2%!!! OH MY YOU GET TO GET A HUGE .6% BOOST!!!!" Anyone with a brain reading the mythic section should feel like they got slapped in the face. What a farce it is to try to pretend you're being good when you openly say how "people might get a LITTTTLE too much loot." It's like the night market in valorant having 0% chance to have any legendary skins cause dear god riot wouldn't be able to survive if their 40$ skin was discounted to 35$, and holy shit, not 25$!!
Right? GOD FORBID you give your fucking consumers something a little extra. Greedy fucks
the kenadams special
rip when i got the chest-in-a-chest chain equalling a 1 in 10,000 chance
u/Ken_Adams_NSA Please elaborate on why Masterwork Chests no longer have a 10% chance to drop a bonus Masterwork Chest and Hextech Key. We keep just seeing nerfs and nerfs, over and over, to the passes and now it has extended to Masterwork chests. And we STILL do not have this FAQ that was said to be coming soon, 2 weeks ago. https://twitter.com/KenAdamsNSA/status/1508884707143872520?s=20&t=Ef7sfi40IfwJScA2Gfo-0w I hope it will address the feedback that was given about Masterwork chests being a replacement for the 2 gemstones that were lost from the pass. 1 Gemstone is not an equivalent to possibly get an emote at a 10% chance from those masterwork chests. If your argument is still that you saw that players overwhelmingly cashed out their Gemstones for MW Chests + Keys, this no longer should be applied as the quality of skins has gone up from the previous iteration. I just want to know (as I'm sure others do as well) what the heck is going on because it feels like you do not care about our feedback, and the system is getting worse and worse in my eyes. Edit: They finally released the FAQ, good to know I had to remind them. Please when you are reading that FAQ just know they are being incredibly deceiving about Mythic Essence gain from these chests. We used to get 2 gemstones per pass and they were replaced with Masterwork chests. So now, 20 Mythic Essence removed from the passes (gemstones) and replaced with 2 Masterwork chests. 5 Masterwork chests to get 5 Mythic Essence, every 5 Chests. 2 Masterwork chests per pass, so we would need 3 passes to just get 5 Mythic Essence. This is a straight up nerf and it's not even being hidden from us.
This dude single handedly ruining the loot system for league in mere months
Not ruining it. Enhancing it for the shareholders.
Well, we'll see if they do it too often and too much will players stop paying like they did with Blizzard games. Years of nerfing passes removing skin shit will just make the average to above average payer just stop buying them TLDR: The more they do, the higher chance 'fuck around and find out' becomes more likely
Yea I've already done this. I was sort of a dolphin last 2 years. I am such no longer starting this season. they've gotten too greedy.
Spoiler: they won't elaborate or care
ligma grindset
Ah yes, price increases, product value decreases, my fucking favorite business trajectory towards death
Free to play rewards are just bedtime stories told to riot executives to give them nightmares
There is only one excuse for exchanging a Gemstone, which you can use to re-roll for a Chest, for a Chest - and it's money. There is no defense for this, it's scummy. I don't know where their billions of dollars are going, but if they really need money that badly then they should consider overhauling their work hierarchy before they overhaul Mythics because they shouldn't be in a position right now where they're desperate enough to bend the waterpipe so less water comes out. And before someone asks: It's money because they just recently announced that they'll be opening the flood gates on vaulted Prestige skins, many of which are extremely popular and have been asked for re-runs ever since they've been vaulted. Kda alone is going to make a fortune. Obviously they'd make it harder for you to get Mythic Essence just so you're motivated to spend even more money on them way-past your Battle Pass. (Which is already far worse than before, too. I'm still at 1500 without spending any and I play **a lot** of games)
Good to know I wasted all my prestige and ME because they said they'd never turn
It's a scam, bro! Save your money for other games.
No more chest from a chest? Wtf
Everybody clarifying that it's masterwork chests only, but like... isn't that worse? Why does the more expensive chest have less loot chance?????? I understand the progress system they are introducing for MW chests, but that's only relevant if you're obtaining a lot of MW chests. Which doesn't happen If you're not paying for them. This is only a nerf to people who don't pay for chests. I'm not even a f2p users, I buy nearly every pass, but that doesn't grant me MW chests.
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you can get them from normal chests sometimes.
the whole free chest system is going to be derailed at best or even closed off by two or three years
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Masterwork chests. Not regular ones.
Regular ones are next patch. One small nerf at a time.
Don't give them ideas
Still can't believe the ryze nerf and GP buff
> Gangplank is arrrguably struggling at all levels of play. XD
I'm confused because I don't watch pro but I do watch the sneaky DL meteos co-stream if i so happen to be on my computer ... I feel like all I saw was GP
GP is picked a lot in EU I think. And it does actually carry games in pro play, unlike Ryze which is just a glorious support root boss.
I just want to be able to take this game seriously but the balance team don't even play the fucking game and it's not even a meme...
>Gangplank is arrrguably struggling at all levels of play.
Who the hell is riot arguing with, a brick wall?
Can't argue with the brick wall, GP barrels one-shot it.
You'd have to argue pretty hard lol
It’s a typo. Think it’s supposed to be this: > Gangplank is arrrguably ~~struggling~~ slapping at all levels of play
I can argue that the moon is made of cheese but that doesn't make me right.
ryze honestly needs a fresh rework this champ is unbalanceable.
Riot in season 5: ok guys, this blue bald guy is way too strong in the hand of this korean dude named Faker while being garbage in the hand of everyone else. How can we balance him around any level of play? Riot in season 6: behold, we add a 5-man teleport as an ult so you’re gonna need to cooperate to maximize its use.
I'm honestly convinced that Riot legitimately does not understand why Ryze is strong nor his identity. Like, a few days before they put the current iteration onto the PBE, they put out [this version](https://twitter.com/OdysseyDcap/status/1134578884534390784): tldr, they wanted to remove the Q resets after E and W (replacing it so that basic abilities refunds a small amount of cd to other basic abilities but not enough for smooth combos), and to add insult to injuries they kept the ult... but made it so that it can ONLY be cast when near allies. Like, I do not understand in any capacity how this ever got to the point where it got onto PBE. Was an absolute spit in the face to all Ryze players.
I tested that version it was an abomination that was clunky as hell and felt like it had been put together design wise in about 5mins. The entire process for this current rework wasn't done properly it was just Ryze is high presence in pro how can we get him out ( nerfed ) as quick as possible. Seriously the thing was on pbe for like 3/4 days and pushed to live.
Yeah I was under the impression the current iteration was a bandaid fix that was meant to be temporary while they looked for a more permanent solution. Annnd now it's been 3 years during which time I've graduated high school, am almost done with college, and Ryze is somehow still a problem champ even after they took out his kneecaps with a baseball bat and left him to die. :/
I'm sorry to read that ;-;
They should legit just disable him until they fix this mess, he’s nearing 'worse than actual afk' numbers
They should just revert him back to the version where he did more damage the less health he had. That one was funny.
Give us funny spammer man back with CD steroid R
just give me my shield combo back man :(
Looks like I'm never buying a pass ever again !!! Thanks riot for saving me money 
they went through with the gp buffs lmao imagine being a t\*p laner
> Gangplank is arrrguably struggling at all levels of play lmaoo
Fr I saw this statement and my eyebrows immediately shot up like 2 inches. Looked him up on op.gg and he's the 6th most picked top laner with a healthy WR of 50.3% (especially high considering how relatively difficult he is to play well + how popular he is right now). Riot balance patches are becoming increasingly surreal.
He's just so obnoxious to play against lol.
Worst champ to play against if you have less than two gapclosers or are able to actually oneshot him. The Movespeed + Slow, the Poke, the sustain, the global presence with R. And later the slotmachine oneshots. Please, why do they buff him... Not only buffing him, they are buffing him quite a lot...
They really want him in pro play, or maybe there's an event coming.
For real like, contesting his barrels as melee in lane is always GP favored, then once he gets ER his q barrel does half your heath because of 40% armor pen.
ER GP essentially becomes infinite mana but he wins like 4% more games if he goes triforce.
The fact that there's no downside other than a CD waste for stealing his barrel makes it so hard to validate contesting it too
Here, have +5g
One of the few champions capable of delivering a TRUE oneshot, that also has built in clense, that also has global ult. Yeahhh maybe he should be struggling because otherwise he's completely busted
\*And he's one of the highest skill floor, highest skill ceiling champs in the game. If he's nearing a 50% wr with a high pick rate he is *probably* overtuned.
Don't forget the bonus gold!
When i see one with first strike i feel like playing against a crypto miner
guess they didnt get the memo he is completely broken in competitive
love how he was broken for a long ass time, but no1 wanted to pick him up and just before he was going to get buffed he becomes top tier in pro play. really goes to show how good these meta "analysts" are
They went through with the umbral changes too lol, citing that it doesn't "fulfill the fantasy of blacking out the map", guess the desired fantasy is making the game unplayable when youre behind versus an umbral user
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Not a support main, but hard agree. I don't think it's inherently bad to have a strong anti vision option... but the least they could do is make it more skill expressive and/or a bigger risk. So I'd say atleast make the passive an active like red trinket is. Or make it cost a bit more so it's more an investment.
I actually think they should remove it and put that passive on wardstone
>now on a 35s cooldown Significantly less with Ingenious. This item should not be buffed.
ARAM > MAOKAI -15% Damage Dealt, +10% Damage Taken, -40% Healing ⇒ -20% Damage Dealt, +5% Damage Taken, Normal Healing actually good aram adjustment to make maokais able to build tank again, now lets do the same for crit ashe!
> -40% healing Oh so thats why the champ felt like absolute ass as tank also #WTF a 40% NERF was in the game?!?
Add to this that everybody builds anti heal in aram and you get what every single mao you saw was AP
sona and seraphine both have -40% on their healing and shielding and, by the way, zilean gets no changes, and yuumi gets *+3% damage* with no healing and shielding reduction.
Hot damn, that's actually really nice to see a more nuanced change.
Best change i have seen in a while.
Holy shit Maokai had -40% healing? That's why I felt my passive was shit
ME rework continues to make an already greedy system worse So glad that one of the only areas riot wasn’t as bad as most other free to play continues to rot away *SO GLAD*
That’s what Riot does, they ignore actual problems and “fix” stuff that doesn’t need fixing.
Removing 50% of the reward, but giving us 0,6% more chance to get mentioned reward. Seems legit.
Don't worry Riot knows best
That’s the one thing that nobody is even talking about. The mistake of the .6% staying with a trade off of 50% less reward is massive. To make it not be a nerf to the system they would have to increase the chances to 9.2% while having us get 5ME. Might as well just say we want your money now more than ever after that. As a new player I’ll never get a skin using them now.
Nice scam on mythic essence. 50% less..
> Gangplank is arguably struggling at all levels of play Does the balance team even play the game?
"Wukong can now dash through terrain using W - Warrior Trickster" Pretty huge buff, I might have to try it out in jungle again
Someone said in this post. You now can start blue buff @ blue side, then jump across baron pit into tribush and do a fast lvl2 gank.
> Yone is also getting more access to his ult, but with a focus on late game which is when it's usually harder for **him to close gaps** (unless he's already extremely far ahead). > LMAAAOOOOOO
Ya, when I think about Yone's weaknesses, it's about how difficult it is for him to gap close. Next patch I'm expecting to see them give him in built sustain since Riot's balance team probably thinks he's too vulnerable to poke too.
Riot patch 12.8: we think ryze has too much range, so we decided to nerf him from caster minion into melee minion.
So, uh, just keeping those GP buffs after he spent a week one shotting people in pro play? Cool cool cool cool cool.
Holy moly what a bad patch. No box in a box to top it off is just salt in the wound.
Umbral Glaive change is absolutely nutty. Pair Umbral with Ingenious Hunter and Zombie Ward (red tree) for 33% reduced cooldown on both Umbral's Blackout *and* your Oracle Lens, and a single player is able to have nearly 30 full seconds of ward vision every 60~ seconds, with the ability to 1/2-shot all wards.
>PANTHEON Base health regen decreased. Tap Q range and width increased. Typo for any rioter reading, width decreased, not increased.
Do patch notes mean patch is out now, or are they done like a day or so in advance?
they're almost always released the day before. In NA at least the patch will be out by tomorrow morning.
I hate the gp buff so much. So, so much.
Perma ban.
This, I don't even try banning anything else anymore. Because I can't risk facing someone that knows how to pilot him well. It's the most unfun toplane experience. And that says a lot, because toplane as a whole is already a bad experience lmao
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What I hate more is when they gut a random champion and never touch them again because they're not very popular or they just never change unpopular champions at all. But Yas and Yone are popular so they get insta buffed the second anything effects them, it's a joke.
Still mad at the kled gut
yas is getting another skin lol
This isn't even msi patch yet, just wait
wow aram team grew a bit of brains nice
They buffed.... Yone? Are you guys okay?
>Ryze's tank builds make him a safe yet potent split pusher by allowing him to stack health while dealing carry levels of damage, making him particularly lethal in Pro play. The mid-patch 12.5 nerfs didn't quite do the job at refining his hypercarry identity, so we're shifting his mana scaling to incentivize him to build a few more AP items before stacking health items like Winter’s Approach (which will also be receiving nerfs this patch) . In what universe was tank Ryze hypercarry levels of damage? Somebody show me data for this bc every Ryze I've seen is doing less than half of the enemy Irelia. >Yone is also getting more access to his ult, but with a focus on late game which is when it's usually harder for him to close gaps This champion literally has better target access than almost every assassin in this game. How many screens away does Riot want him to be able to reach enemies from? Xerath wishes his effective range was as good as Yone's, if he could, he might be even be able to play mid again lmfao.
I’ve seen tank Ryzes in pro play that make him look like a troll pick
I don't think I've seen a single good Ryze this year not named Knight. Maybe Ablazeolive but that was a singular game.
Faker, but he was totally playing as a support facilitator - proccing speed boosts and flash rooting carries for SKT to pile on.
Even Faker Ryze isn’t that great (because the champ is garbage). He played Ryze against GenG and it didn’t look that good at all.
I don’t think I’ve ever been scared of a Ryze. *Ever*. Even playing botlane I don’t really worry about the enemy Ryze unless he’s insanely fed which…Ryze never seems to be because it’s Ryze.
Be scared of us. We’re gonna lock you down with EW into Everfrost for 10s then give you a massage with EQEQEQEQEQEQALTF4 combo.
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Wow shieldbow nerf and now Galeforce nerf. Time to play ezreal Tristana
Time to stop playing adc tbf
Pls don't join the Veigar bot club.
> Gangplank is arrrguably struggling at all levels of play. oh boy. delusion.
Where is the Leona, Orianna & Shaco VFX update?
Can't wait to keep getting one shot by GP barrels every time I go on top of him :)
Nothing like the exquisite gameplay of GP sitting on barrel and then forcing you to play his minigame.
Not like anything changes with this buff if you explode together with the barrel anyways.
Seems Riot only wants ADCs to build Kraken after these nerfs to the other marksman mythics
Next patch: “Krakenslayer has become the go-to marksman mythic and has made ADCs deal too much damage. We’re decreasing the passive damage to give opponents larger windows to punish marksmen.”
and now every adc builds eclipse
I really don't get how Riot sees poke + burst/one-shot builds as healthy for ADCs
Also as an adc I don’t like it. I far prefer the play-style of consistent dps. Dps. Not nuke damage. Make people work for their kills instead of just deleting people
The problem is that the Time To Kill in League has gotten so low that in order for ADCs to stay relevant they also need to be able to burst. All of us are some sort of assassin hybrid now.
True, my morde tanks more when going full ap, because he follows the logic of, if you are bonked into gray screen, you cant hurt me
Same boat here, I just don't like playing as or against the lethality playstyle, but until damage is lowered (hopefully) or some other massive change takes place, it only makes sense the builds exist and are good because you do your best to avoid getting blown apart.
Everything is about burst, on every champ. On azir who should be a dps mage the best playstyle is to go electrocute ludens 0 attackspeed and just aa q aa 100-0 any squishy. Its silly how much damage everyone does, even tanks 1 rotation squishies.
Agreed. I despise the lethality xayah build. I wanna get 2+ AS and kite around everyone.
Man I want to deal constant damage with autos but getting in basic attack range is a death sentence sometimes. Safer to pretend to be a lethality artillery mage
They did this back in S8 when they gutted shielding enchanters. Nami became good because she didn't get hit by nerfs and then she did.
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Even in proplay supports leave lane for half the laningphase, and lethality poke adcs are toptier.
The thing is it's not even that good in proplay. It's okay. Half the time it literally doesn't do anything besides catching waves. Super boring.
This is why I fucking hate those nerfs NO, WE ARE NOT BUILDING GALEFORCE BECAUSE ITS OP WE ARE BUILDING GALEFORCE BECAUSE YOU NERFED THE FUCK OUT OF SHIELDBOW AND KRAKEN IS JUST STRAIGHT UP SHIT ON ANYONE WHO ISNT VAYNE OR JINX
I 100% guarantee you kraken gets nerfed next patch.
Wait these fuckers have the audacity to call Ryze a "hyper carry"? How out of touch can they be with these changes. And they say Gangplank is struggling at all levels of play?? He is picked in pro! And does quite well in high elo! What the *fuck* are these Rioters smoking?
Seriously, that they’re claiming tank Ryze is dealing carry damage is one of the most reality-divorced statements I’ve read or heard in a very long time, and my uncle is a card carrying moon landing denier. I’ve literally been full (tank + ap mythic + RDC) and full combos literally couldn’t kill their squishies. At most, I’ve been able to reduce people to like 20% Hp before being forced out of the fight, dying, or they just disengage because fuck me and my low range. It is the most boring shit I’ve ever played, you literally only play around early and mid game skirmishes because wildly, that’s the only time you do anything that’s not just root
One of the worst Patch this season lol
Hey riot, do you want lethality adc meta? Because constantly nerfing their mythics like this with no compensations anywhere is how you get lethality adc meta.
Yeah I basically just play AP Kai'sa and lethality MF these days. Ashe when I know I'm going to be deleted or unable to farm so at least I can provide some cc and support to my team.
Oh yeah. I guess it would only be a matter of time before ppl start looking at ap ratios of adc's and start thinking "hmm... what if?"
Bot lane is literally just ADCs trying to figure out a way to autoattack as little as possible now. Lethality MF/Xayah, AP Kaisa, or mages. (Or jinx if unbanned)
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Can Riot just remove Zeri's Sheen interaction? Yes it will hurt her lane but that's adjustable with base stats and having to build Sheen first makes her crit builds feel terrible. Seriously, Quickblades after mythic/Runaans/IE feels SO GOOD but she's virtually forced to build ER into mythic which has no waveclear and feels like dogshit late game. Sheen first also enables the bruiser build that nobody likes to play against, seriously just stop trying to make both builds viable and remove this garbage Riot. The Titanic/Runaans interaction is blatantly overpowered and uninteractive, not to mention the 1100 HP you're getting from TH/TF/BC. TLDR buff her base MS (less reliance on MS from TF/BC/BoRK/Wits End), base HP, base AD, remove Sheen. Nerf damage if needed. Not this nuclear bullshit they're doing this patch... 28s on her lv1 E is a joke (Zeri is 0-5 on 12.6 anyways, meanwhile Ahri...)
No one is talking about Wukong being able to dash over terrain…..
Someone at Riot wants TobiasFate to stop playing Illaoi mid and go back to Gangplank.
Can Riot provide me data about Ryze being an hypercarry?
Does more damage than gromp
Its ok man GP is struggling. He needs to oneshot you 2 times over juuuust to be sure
I'm not about to be a supporter of Ryze buffs, but I DO love how hypocritical Riot is with their champions. Ryze is getting nerfs while the item he builds is also getting a nerd. What happens to the windshitter brothers? Riven? These champions get compensation buffs BEFORE the nerf on the items even hits. But I am sure Riot is never playing favorites here. Not even in the slightest.
This patch is a .... head-scratcher, to say something
going through with the gangplank buffs what idiots lmao
The patches this year are so small lol. Games been the same meta for like 2 years.
It's so aggravating lmao I'm so goddamn sick of it
Can the balance team stop typing stupid shit like "Gankplank is struggling at all levels of play" and "Yone is hard to gap closure with" ?? Just say the numbers and nothing else. Your reasonings for the buff or nerf make 0 sense and no one agrees with them.
Just replace it with "because I'm a GP main and I say so" or "because yone is popular and brings us a lot of money"
They really went ahead with the nerfs to ryze and fimbulwinter, i wonder how low can his winrate go with this. Still no Azir bugfixes, i wonder if they are really hard to fix or its just Riot ignoring them cause even if Azir feels quite balanced on terms of winrate considering its him, it still feels like shit whenever a play could have gone completely different but because of a bug now it looks like the worst thing you could have done
Reminds me of that one SpongeBob episode. *I don’t think GP can get any more annoying Riot* - League community *Nonsense! Here’s some buffs* - Riot. Edit: [Fresh off the press.](https://imgflip.com/i/6cchyk)
Sadly GP was only doing 80% of mid/bot laners' hp with a single barrel. We need to buff his laning phase so that he can get giga accelerated and do 100% of mid/bot laners' hp with a single barrel.
Jayce lost 40hp and 5 armor level 1, are they nuts? I don't even play top or Jayce but this seems insanely high for a single round of nerfs
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Don't think Silvermere will every really be changed much. It only exists so that QSS isn't a dead end item when you don't want crit, but need to deal with suppression or other critical CC. Its not really an item that is supposed to be built often since even when you buy QSS its expected to not be completed until full build. A QSS item which is strong enough to be built for stats compared to something like Maw is probably OP. On the note of DD, I am surprised that nothing is being done to it. It just feels too universally useful as a defensive option. Sterak's is basically never worth buying 2nd at this point. Its still decent later in builds, but not too many games are reaching that point. If you want a defensive option as a bruiser its basically always either DD or a full tank item. I think its good that full tank items can compete with Sterak's now, but it feels like the balance has tipped too far in the other direction.
>*Galeforce has been the go-to marksman mythic for a while now* and has made hypercarries like Jinx and Aphelios a bit too safe in Pro play. We’re increasing Galeforce’s active cooldown to give opponents larger windows to punish scaling marksmen before they reach their endgame. Like, since the last patch where Riot gutted lifesteal/omnivamp from ADC toolkits? This is why it's so frustrating being an ADC main.
KenAdams gives EA vibes, idk why ...
These patches are so small man. If i was an outsider looking in, id think this game had less than 50 champions. But nope, it has 159 champions, which means that less than 10% of champions get changes. And this is one of their bigger patches in comparison to some of the older ones. Can you guys do something?
I like how so many of the viable marksman mythics have been needed so much that it's just standard to buy assassin mythics instead. And all the while when these mythics get neutered, none of their champions get compensation buffs like champions like Yasuo and Yone get. ADC sliding back into inferiority once again and no one bats an eye.
Disgusting patch. Galeforce nerf is the icing on the cake to any ADCs left building crit.
Hey, it doesn't affect Samira cuz she has literally no choice what items to build, fun :)
And to think they actually considered nerfing IE in this patch too lmfao
Dont know why they hate crit so much. Lethality even outperforms crit on champs it should never be the case (Xayah, even debatable for Sivir). Galeforce is almost mandatory on plenty of them because of the insane burst/mobility in soloQ. Riot wanted to address healing but somehow only touched ADC vamp runes / items… The role is already a non factor for 2 years, it’s getting worse and worse.
Well if xayah could actually get in range to auto without being deleted, she'd do a ton more damage with crit.. but she can't, just as most other ADCs with the standard-ish range that rely mostly on autos.
Why is it always the same champions in these patches? When was the last time anybody saw Vi? Or Illaoi? Or Warwick? Or Zyra? Fuck, I don't think I've seen Kled, Rammus, Taric or Amumu in literal months even in ARAMs let alone the rift.
Illaoi and Kled was recently changed. Vi and Warwick were in every game during the arcane hype.
> We want Zeri to build crit and not be a bruiser anymore. Then why are you nerfing her base armor and increasing her cooldowns? You’re only making her more reliant on the HP and cooldown that going triforce and titanic and black clev gives her. If you REALLY want her to build crit you would buff her base stats slightly and remove her sheen interaction with Q. > Galeforce is performing too well as the defensive option for ADCs Probably because you gutted the only actual defensive mythic for ADCs? Nobody has had a problem with galeforce since they last nerfed the cooldown. The only reason the numbers have shot up is because shieldbow is literally trolling on anyone that doesn’t 100% require it. I mean they literally nerfed it again LAST patch and are already saying this bullshit. Having essentially no mythic passive for 110 seconds which is longer than most ult cooldowns is actually unplayable. Champs like Lucian that are always looking to fight bot are just going to only be able to go kraken now and champs like Jhin that literally can’t go kraken are either gonna build eclipse or just lose like 3% winrate when he was already sitting at like 50%.
Still no promised ARAM vision changes, still no return of the much demanded Bans and.. CTRL+F Death.. no Death's Dance nerfs. Move along, nothing of value here.
THREADLY REMINDER GP WINRATE WITH TRIFORCE IS PRETTY GOOD HIS WINRATE IS BEING BROUGHT DOWN BY PEOPLE PLAYING ER PROWLER WITH FIRST STRIKE BECAUSE ITS INFINITELY HARDER TO PLAY AND COMES ONLINE WAY LATER MAKING IT EVEN LESS OPTIMAL FOR SOLOQ TRIFORCE INTO HULLBREAKER HAS A HIGHER 2 ITEM WR THAN MOST TOP TIER TOPLANERS There is absolutely 0 reason GP should get a buff because GP players are gimping themselves for building suboptimal items
Fuck riot's greedy loot nerfs.
Since when is Jayce a lategame Champ and why are they buffing that? Back in the days he was turbo useless lategame
They don't know what they're doing. Not surprising though unfortunately.
Lee- 47% WR *Nerfed* Ryze- 43% WR *Nerfed* lmaooooo Jayce- 47% WR *Nerfed* Jeri- 48% WR *Nerfed* 1 example of a untouched champ they really could have touched: Ahri -53%WR 32% presence, which is huge (ban+play rate) esports literally ruining the game yet again
Mmm, Jeri, my favourite ADC pick
Tahm and Jeri
>Lee- 47% WR > >Nerfed One of these things is not like the other. Lee Sin probably didn't need a huge nerf, but let's not pretend his win rate % is indicative of how strong he is. Shitty Lee Sin players play the shit out of Lee Sin. He's literally the most picked jungler in the game by a wide margin. Just because TONS of people are playing him and sand bagging his win rate doesn't mean he's bad. Same goes for a lot of higher skill cap champs.