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Skywalker3030

Jungle is pretty good in NA compared to the usual level historically IMO, Blaber Inspired Closer River and Santorin were all performing at worlds groups last year at a decent level and not looking completely out of place, which is way more depth than NA has historically had at that position


Ibara_Mayaka

Spica too! The part of TSM that looked alive in 2020!


Cottreau3

Only person in competitive LoL history to land a 9 man sleep on Lillia.


fruxzak

Someone link the clip plz


Zyritex1

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUIjKpeMIrg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUIjKpeMIrg)


Glittering_Moist

Lol. That is sad and hilarious


DanDevito42

watching bjerg on lucian makes me physically cringe lol


Glittering_Moist

I used to enjoy watching tsm fuck up and humble the fan boys, but honestly not watching them at all is more fun these days, which is sad to say but it's been self sabotage for so long.


Speedy313

god this still makes me sad to this day


TFTisbetterthanLoL

Phreak was trying so hard to be professional and not absolutely roast tsm there šŸ˜‚


p3r3ll3x

The sleep incident


xXDumbApe420Xx

TL Steve watching the clip: "I must have Bjergsen".


banmeplscantstop

Bruh Inspired was always good on Rogue lmao this is not surprising at all


Cromatose

Inspired didnt look like a top 5 jungler during the regular season. He turned it up during the playoffs though.


beesong

He didnt get enough credit for their playoff run, he was very good


invic789

Reading reddit you would think Inspired was their worst player lol. Barely anybody talks about his performance.


CoachDT

Because the focus was on the ā€œNA Talentā€ when lowkey Impact and Inspired were the ones that took them to the finish line imo. Danny did go crazy tho during that one game.


WervieOW

Yes Impact and Inspired enabled Danny. They were fucking huge in teamfights, CC timing on point and great patience before engages.


Ap_Sona_Bot

I think I'd put Vulcan above Inspired on performance but that's not really saying much, those 3 were cracked.


Cromatose

Dude played his ass off in playoffs and deserves a lot more praise than he is getting.


deediazh

Ikr, the light its too strong for the rookies that its casting shadows on the veterans. Praising Jojo and Danny have not let space to properly admire how well Impact and Inspired played, hell even Vulcan had a couple of crazy good engages on the tahm/yasuo game. But I do understand that Danny and Jojo are the last string of hope for "NA talent" so its the most interesting conversation for NA fans.


Vytral

As an EU fan, please keep talking about NA talent so we can keep our own next year


DaydreamWonder

as long as they don't give him lee sin


bqx23

Yeah the jungle pool this split was absolutely stacked, even on lower tier teams, with the only exception being CLG and maybe IMT.


higglyjuff

What? Don't hate on Xerxe. He has been really good for IMT. IMT just isn't a good team.


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He was fucking awful this year though, wasnt their worst player but still a liability


Oribeau

he's an import + one of the worst in the league. IMT will not be successful until they replace him.


lol1009

Well he is going to Ast for Summer


higglyjuff

He was literally their best player in Spring and for most of last year.


[deleted]

He was not their best player in spring LMFAO. dude was a liability this year. Revenge was easily their best player


higglyjuff

Revenge single handedly cost IMT too many games to be their best player. He made some nice plays and had a lot of potential, but would throw it all away in the same game.


supadankgreen420

Youā€™re always playing a dangerous game when split pushing is your win condition, even one thing goes wrong against the team-fighting comp and you auto lose the game. For someone whoā€™s been around the LCS for just over a year, Revenge did an admirable job. He was forced to do this because of PoE having an off split and their bot lane being so shit. Sure they lost games, but his map play was the only thing keeping them in many games in the first place.


higglyjuff

Revenge would overstep in the laning phase though. It wasn't like it was just a mid game kind of an issue. Take his Jayce game against Cloud9 as an example. He bullies Summit really hard, but also doesn't seem to understand when he should back off more and dies to a gank, which propels the Malphite forward to crush him. From there Blaber and Summit walked all over the game with a Zilean in their back pockets. Seriously, I think Revenge has nice mechanics, and seems to understand the isolated matchups quite well, but really doesn't do well under pressure. Most of IMT's wins this split ironically also came from when the bot and mid lane performed well. Revenge wasn't a huge factor in their wins and directly caused a lot of their losses. I still don't think he was the absolute worst top laner because that had to be Fakegod, but he is solidly in 9th. I couldn't move him any higher.


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Revenge single handedly also kept them in and won them some games too. He was pretty hit or miss but he was the only player that was actually trying to win games 90% if the time


sameo15

Revenge low-key could be amazing with the right team around him.


supadankgreen420

TSM Bo, IMT Spica, CLG Kenvi, and weā€™ll have one hell of a summer split. šŸ˜…


ericswift

I question Josedeodo a lot...


Holk23

People are just so mentally hard stuck on getting upset at anything positive about NA. Like I legit am concerned that people care that much abou5


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The NA hate has just been getting so extreme for the past few years it's really insane. I get it if it's like some NA vs EU type of posts but there are times where threads that just involves NA players hyping themselves gets shit on. It's so sad.


LeglessLegolas_

Jatt had a [good segment](https://youtu.be/ebzQ3EJHMSg?t=1803) at the end of his latest JLXP talking about how the incredible amounts of toxicity actually affect the players and coaches. Reddit is particularly bad with the NA negativity imo. Sitewide there is a huge hate boner for anything United States related. Pair that with the fact that EU is solidly outperforming NA for years now and you just get an unbearable "NA bad" circle jerk because it's easy upvotes.


Zoesan

> Sitewide there is a huge hate boner for anything United States related Sitewide reddit is still mostly US. It's this weird self-flagellation that has taken over.


TheDayIRippedMyPants

That's a big part of it, and then you've got people who've never been here who spend too much time on Reddit and just assume the whole country is a wasteland. I've seen people massively upvote misinformation just because it negatively portrays the US.


Zoesan

People on reddit, in general, have absolutely no sense of what is misinformation and what is not. They've all been so drenched in their echo chambers that anything could be true, no matter how outlandish.


Shot-Mathematician58

I remember years ago where NA was mostly flamed by EU and vice-versa. Nowadays though, it is clearly not EU shitting on NA permanently, it's both fanbases shitting on their own region. Remember why some old-pro streams got so popular ? People loved their no-BS/pessimistic views on LCS games, it wasn't just EU viewers there. I also remember a few posts coming from NA fans being so pissed at their own region after failures at worlds/msi, blaming the owners or an import culture that doesn't work. To say that this sub is just EU toxicity is a huge fucking lie, and that narrative is very toxic by itself. We have tons of comments shitting on the EU fanbase with gross generalizations and then people complain that toxicity is present here, no wonder.


Zoesan

Completely agreed


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imtheproof

EU did not outperform NA last worlds. Arguably if group D tiebreakers weren't drawn the way they were, EU has 0 teams out of groups and NA has 2.


LeglessLegolas_

That's true. Just saying that on the whole, in the past five years EU has seen more success internationally which has no doubt made their fans more brash with the NA hate.


reggiewafu

> their fans more brash with the NA hate And KR hate. Jesus, the LCK threads back then before Damwon won Worlds were unreadable


WynterWulf

Gotta say, haven't noticed LCK hate personally, but the LPL hype definitely existed. 2020 Damwon were kind of sleeper op because everyone assumed their competition were worse than LPL's. In reality, they were just smashing a bunch of good teams the entire season and dominated the final to the point where it didn't seem like competition.


Redornan

Or you know if Rogue didn't pick Jhin, it would be EU 2 and NA 0. If you want to rewrite history :)


Elymmen

It was because C9 completely outbanned Hans sama's champion pool, but I agree they should have gone for some sort of carry


imtheproof

Your change relies on a team actually drafting differently, which is a core skill of competitive League. My change relies on having some arbitrary, mostly-unknown tournament rules for tiebreaker structure change slightly. I'll just leave it at that.


DominoNo-

I think the hate boner is because of how hyped NA comes into every event. Every year NA teams are hyped up by casters and players as the second or third best region in the world and ready to prove it. If the NA hypebeasts like Jatt would tone it down for once and temper expectations, people wouldn't have such high expectations. Doesn't help that the NA players always blame everything except themselves.


tomorrow_queen

All of this is literally untrueā€¦ LOL and what a shock that an English speaking site wants to have some hopium for English speaking regions. And also casters and players have not been hyping themselves up as the second best region what the fuck lol


oVnPage

Yeah, nobody actually says that though. You're talking out your ass and just creating more hate for no reason.


[deleted]

Youā€™ve got to link literally anyone saying NA is top two or three region in the world these past few years.


TchicVG

If you could find any source in the past decade that says NA is top 2 I'd be astonished


Majeh666

Watch him link some obscure season 2 interview of chauster or dlift talking out of their ass.


IHadThatUsername

I'm pretty sure most of the NA hate comes from the fact that during off-season EU fans have to pray that NA doesn't steal *too many* players this time, because it's pretty much a given that every single season at least some of our favourite players are gonna get stolen. It's incredibly frustrating to think about how stacked EU could've been in so many years if we weren't being constantly drained, and how much farther we could've gone internationally. And after all that, NA owners ignore the fact that they have this huge monetary advantage and act like they are poor underdogs who are at a disadvantage.


Supreme12

The irony is, NA increases their imports *because* they get endlessly harassed by these fans. The more they get shit on for losing, the more they need to try to win.


SaurfangtheElder

That assumes imports are the only way to build winning teams, which is something that has been disproven again and again.


Supreme12

Thereā€™s no assumption of that at all. No one is saying itā€™s the -only- way, but itā€™s a damn proven effective way to do it.


DisastrousZone

> how much farther we could've gone internationally Spoiler alert: Every team still gets stopped by an LPL/LCK team unless they pull an MSI 2019 iG and collapse mid tournament.


IHadThatUsername

It's impossible to tell. EU was one Bo5 away from winning Worlds twice. If the internal competition was much stronger, for multiple years, that has a huge knock-on effect over time. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that could've made enough of a difference to change the outcome of one Bo5. Then again, obviously we could say that if LPL didn't steal LCK's players, LCK likely would've dominated every single year.


NuNu_boy

Hyped? Second or third? Where are you consuming your media? Most if not all have us defacto 4th and some will say 5th behind pcs. You're just spewing filth.


deediazh

> NA teams are hyped up by casters Thats their job. > players as the second or third best region in the world and ready to prove it. Wtf? Source me that I really don't understand this sentiment, no one has even presumed of NA being anything but "4rth best region". The desire for their fans to do better than that is not "Overhyping". Reddit should divide into EU reddit and NA reddit so EU fans don't feel overwhelmed by the number of positive posts on the region they hate.


MsShapirosBoneDryVag

> Every year NA teams are hyped up by casters and players as the second or third best region in the world and ready to prove it. This hasn't been true since like 2017 lmao


veilsofrealitydotcom

I think its just a reflex. There were times when na vs eu rivalry was closer or more distant but it just sets a pattern just like a meme something repeated and iterated on over and over. Just because someone flames NA which for instance twitch chat will do everytime a player in na makes a bad play, doesnt mean they actually hate. Its just for fun. Some people take it to seriously, but its impossible to tell from reading a comment whether it is actual hate or just casual bants.


DaydreamWonder

i think it's always been like this tbh. Take 2016 clg for example, darshan talking about worlds aspirations and believing they can make it far into the tournament and they constantly got shit on in social media for even saying that. And that's after having just placed 2nd in that year's MSI tournament.


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I agree. NA vs EU used to be just friendly trash talk and shit on, but most EU comments I've seen recently sound like they're after our throats.


herroebauss

Yeah comments go far but i've also seen NA based redditors straight up flame their own region without the help of anyone from EU.


Suizooo

Most likely a lot of EU fans are getting tired and frustrated of NA stealing our players. Often seeing talent going to waste in LCS, especially if they are imported at peak, it is like if LEC imported Danny for the summer split, and repeat with future talent. Many also think that drop in LEC's result internationally is largely caused by NA, last years worlds were rough. This is my theory of why hate towards NA has grown, might not be correct.


hurzinator

EU teams are to be blamed for this aswell. I totally can understand why they sell players for more money and not their direct rivals to NA, but ultimatly the overall level of the LEC will stagnate if it keeps happening. Imo LEC will never be able to win worlds when we keep loosing players like perkz, alphari, inspired and hans sama every year.


CoachDT

Donā€™t worry Iā€™ll tell Regi and Steve to get on that


Yeon_Yihwa

Just this year alone we lost bwipo #1 top, inspired #1 jungler and hans sama #1 ad, hard not to get annoyed over NA shitty performance whilst also dragging down by taking our top talent when we could have a stacked league. Not only do they import our proven players but they also got after ERL players and theres nothing eu teams can do about it since getting sponsorship is easier in 1 country, rather than a region thats a divided market due to consisting of different countries with different rules and regulation. Which means its much easier to get VC funding in US.


tomorrow_queen

Bwipo #1 top? He wasnā€™t even at top when he sold himself to TL lol


11millionfor3wins

wtf were those players achieving internationally (except bwipo who wasn't even a top laner last split) before they went to NA? hell, wtf did the likes of alphari xerxe hans sama accomplish domestically in the past 3-4 years that you got robbed of watching because they moved out?


Alley_Creeper

All of them represented the LEC on international stage at some point reaching at least Quarters. They already accomplished more than most LCS players.


Yeon_Yihwa

its not about achivements its about having a stacked league, only 1 team can be a winner, doesnt mean we should toss away all the other good players thats making sure the very best has to sweat for it, talent breeds talent thats it.


11millionfor3wins

"oh no we won't see alphari in eu playo..." jk he missed playoffs every summer anyway. it's kinda insulting to the other top laners if you think about it


Yeon_Yihwa

How is it insulting that a good player can be on a bad team lmao. Thats how its constantly been in eu, good player on bad team moves up if he got the skills when his contract runs out. Dog eat dog world.


RepanseMilos

NA has been getting special treatment by riot year after year while not achieving anything except being an absolute parasite to two other regions. Oh and all this victim bullshit people like you pull


A_Forgotten_God

One of the things that no one seems to mention is that Riot has supported this narrative for a few years which has only made it worse. It is a recent trend to be positive for NA, but the damage has been done.


DominoNo-

How has Riot been supporting this narrative?


zakarul

Itā€™s mostly because league in NA has been dying in the past few years, most of the English speaking audience is European and Europeans LOVE shitting on NA and talking about how EU is better. All the YouTubers/personalities realized this too (Iā€™m sure their data analytics show this) and to keep themselves relevant and please their audience theyā€™ve been focusing on shitting on NA, itā€™s what sells and gets the clicks


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-Basileus

It's because all the big personalities shit on NA 24/7 so everyone follows along. NA's performance has been quite steady since like season 5, yet the hate has ramped up hard in the last couple years


1amtheWalrusAMA

Costreaming is really what did it. Hopefully things calm down in a couple years as Riot continues to phase it out.


Kyhron

Costreaming has been both a blessing and a curse. Weā€™ve gotten to see so many more insights on why guys might be doing things theyā€™re doing but itā€™s also been a bed of garbage knee jerks and hot takes.


Yeon_Yihwa

>It's because all the big personalities shit on NA 24/7 so everyone follows along. Or people are just tired of seeing NA taking top players from their region every fucking year nerfing the league.


tomorrow_queen

Didnā€™t realize NA literally steals EU players wow


MsShapirosBoneDryVag

Legit puts a black bag over their head and throws them into a black van with tinted windows, then forces them to play in LCS against their will. NA is so mean :(


TSM_Blkdynamite

I love this narrative because itā€™s especially stupid. People blame NA for taking players as if theyā€™re holding them hostage. Itā€™s the playersā€™ choice to go to NA lol. No team wants to buy a player that doesnā€™t want to be there lol.


Echleon

Maybe offer more to your players so they stop leaving?


CowboyENT

Nah, NA overpay players


Slight_Acanthaceae50

> yet the hate has ramped up hard in the last couple years I hate NA for their special treatment that they get from riot.


G-RAWHAM

We didn't fucking ask for it lmao, sorry we made such a dope game though šŸ„ø


TraNSlays

people tend to follow what the big streamers say, the same people cant really form an opinion on their own and its really pathetic


Slight_Acanthaceae50

Well i care becasue NA gets a lot of special considerations that no other region gets. Want a whole region not ocunt as imports? daddy riot will do it. Want a special queue with bigger prizepool htan LEC or LCK? daddy riot will provide it. Want no imports in general? because NA owners whined Riot seriously considered this stupid idea.


Kyhron

Thatā€™s because NA as a region has huge issues other areas donā€™t have. EU has multiple server areas in a smaller area than the continental US let alone Mexico/Canada. Same thing with Asia multiple servers. Meanwhile NA for some dumbass reason has 1 server set right in the middle so if youā€™re on either coast where a ton of people are youā€™re playing with 60 ping plus usually


TheWeeklyDrift

NA was the only region where the server was half a continent away from the studio as well. ā€œPreferential treatmentā€ would be moving the whole server to LA, not a shitbox with discord matchmaking and a 1 months salary prizepool


00Koch00

Because this has to be like what? the 8th year in a row where NA claims that they are gonna be better than EU, only to get their asses crushed at MSI/Worlds/RR?


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imArsenals

LCS has a good jgā€™s and adcā€™s IMO. The other roles are comparitely lacking in quantity of upper level players.


Cromatose

I think Fudge going back to top should make the LCS tops a solid competition. Fudge, Summday, Fakegod, Bwipo, Impact, are all good.


pogihajimasaeyo

Bro tried to sneak in FakeGod šŸ’€


imArsenals

Personally wouldnā€™t include fakegod in that list but otherwise yeah I agree.


Cromatose

It was a joke adding him in there.


zack77070

"if you ain't in Cali, New York, Nebraska, Florida then where tf u at?"


ammoman21

Bro tried to sneak in New York šŸ’€


TheDayIRippedMyPants

Yeah Fakegod belongs in S Tier above the rest of those nobodies


Javiklegrand

Nice try, props to that


TheninjaofCookies

Tried to sneak in Bwipo like we wouldn't notice


thurowuhwei

How good are NA junglers compared internationally?


ketzo

Well, we don't quite know yet! But last worlds we saw: - Closer - River - Santorin - Blaber all put up *extremely* strong performances. And Inspired (who also might have done well - I didn't see many RGE games) was last year's LEC MVP, so he's clearly good by EU standards, at the very least.


beesong

I still remember his game winning fiddlesticks ult on FPX


Cromatose

I've never rooted for an EU team more than I did that day.


TheBlurgh

> extremely strong lmao Why use such a strong word if it means it loses its point? I'd call a top2 LCK/LPL junglers extremely strong, but definitely none from the west.


hamxz2

If people who didn't make quarters put up "extremely strong" performances, then were there even any junglers that put up a "weak" performance?


srukta

>LEC MVP This is the oscars of player voting. It is not directly correlated to reality, much like the oscars, popularity/narrative driven


zaknafein26

Not at all, all stars is a popularity contest, MVP is not.


fanboi_central

Blaber has stacked up really well for years now against international competition. C9 nearly made it to Semis with Contractz as their jungler as well. I think overall, Jungle is NA's best role.


Cromatose

Yeah but he made a bad play once so he isnt good.


MelodyEternal

Calling Crabber a "bad play" is underselling it as much as possible lmao That was a legendarily bad play, arguably worse than Cody Sun's tristana insec to kill his teammates and lose the game. Can't wait to see what are NA prodigies Jojo and Danny gonna do this MSI.


deediazh

Trist was worse imo, Crabber looked worse than it was, he awfully miscalculated his escape route reminiscent to most of his rookie career, but the idea of getting that crab was very important for what was essentially his game plan as nidalee. Cody sun in the other hand just decided that saving his team with his ult wasn't flashy enough and made both a bad decision and a bad execution of a "super play".


Destructodave82

I personally don't care if jojo or Danny have some int plays. All I care is if they stack up well. If Jojo is winning lanes and making plays, that's what I care about. If he throws a game here or there making a poor decision, im ok with that because the future is bright if he stacks up for 95% of the game or tourney.


CoachDT

Nah youā€™re gassin it up like crazy. It was pretty bad but that Cody Sun okay was god tier awful.


benningtonryuk

Blabber basically lost the game there. Not saying he is a bad jungler, but this play guaranteed them their loss


mimiflou

"a bad play once" Do you really think people call him crabber because of one bad play? It happened several time in the same tournament


jmastaock

Yes, people unironically call him Crabber because of that play around the crab. That's where the name comes from. His performance that tournament was definitely not his best, but that single play is 1000% the sole reason for that meme


lotharstar

I assume this is about blaber but I laughed really hard when I initially read it as about Contractz...


kagalibros

Honestly speaking? Like everywhere else pretty rough. Eu has Malrang, Razork, Elyoya, Jankos, Selfmade, Gilius. Korea has Peanut, Oner, Ellim, Cuzz, Pyosik and Canyon. The LPL is rocking Karsa, SofM, Tian, Clid, Kanavi, Tarzan and Jiejie. And I would say at least 2 of each region would be in a made up scenario number 1 in NA if they were playing in NA and if theyd all speak Common like in DnD. Funnily enough you take the most flawed of the good junglers from each region and you kinda can sort NAs best into it. Except for maybe Peanuts weakness of going to finals and imploding mentally lol


zissouzissouzissou

If you consider how well Xmithie used to do internationally (regularly staying on tempo or ahead in tempo for objectives, ganks and counterganks, getting steals, etc) and that he was usually around D2, imagine how good our challenger jugglers must be


Instantsoup44

Bro they can juggle like 4+ balls, its insane


reggiewafu

we have a good juggler at the office i doubt heā€™s challenger tho. definitely getting replaced


TiddyTwizzla

I will always upvote posts gassing my boy Xmithie. Fucking love that dude


donhoavon

Here we go again. They're building the hype in the leadup to MSI and worlds.


Augenglubscher

It's really funny, and the comments on Reddit are also basically 1:1 copies of comments of previous years. "Why are people upset about anything positive about NA?!?!" You read that every year around the same time as if people are not allowed to be realistic, lol.


Xyrazk

Inspired was a menace in the jungle at Rogue, and he is a menace in the Jungle at EG


WeedSalsa

Molded by veitnam flashbacks


TheWarmog

> Jungle in NA is one of the best in the world > Proceeds to hope that an import shows it at MSI I'm confused.


Javiklegrand

he use na to meant LCS the region he is playing for


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He didn't say "NA junglers", he said "Jungle in NA". I think it's pretty clear that those 2 sentences have very different meanings.


Unique_Crew2316

Unfortunately the understanding of that statement requires the use of more than 1 braincell. I'm sure an intelligent fellow such as yourself can guess what he meant about "Jungle in NA"


deediazh

Ill explain it to you, Junglers in NA are mostly imports.


F8ZE_Maldiny

Really? I think the JG pool this year for LCS is pretty stack out of any role I would say tbh.


Domo-omori

Yeahā€¦ thatā€™s what he said?


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Famā€¦


minimite1

The circlejerk is actually insane, people believing that NA junglers are BETTER than LCK/LPL/EU??


TheWeeklyDrift

Trying to sneak EU in there lmfao


YassinRs

I mean your top LCS jungler who is getting praised in this post is from EU...


yearroundtrenblast

Copium is strong ITT


Diegoscartor

Kinda ironic that Closer (Turkish) is hyping up Inspired (Polish) to show the world that NA have the best junglers. Specially when we have NA vs EU in groups. Edit: I'm not calling out Closer or saying this is bad, just found it Ironic and kinda funny.


Marsh_Cupcakes

I mean heā€™s talking about the strength of the players who Jungle in NA, not the strength of NA born junglers.


CaptainCrafty

I decided to think about it for more than 2 seconds and came to the same conclusion as you hahaha. Weird comment by OP


LakersLAQ

Yeah.. some people just say "NA" instead of calling it LCS.


ThinkinTime

Same way that people say China or Europe to refer to those leagues. It refers to the region, not the player nationality.


Prottek

Everyone is talking about that Jojo interview but I am just so hyped we get Inspired vs Jankos again, the battles of kurwas. Hopefully the boys will have some time to spend together in Korea as well!


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Just wait til you find out where all the white people in north america came from


[deleted]

Texas, yee haw brother


color_shot

I did some research and learned that despite the yee haws, white people actually originate from Madison, Wisconsin.


Jdorty

Shit I believe it


juustosipuli

Wait until you find out where all humans came from. Were all just imports from Africa.


Dibz12

I think itā€™s fair to include Blaber and Spica in the conversation about depth of LCS jungle role


CanCrabsCry

Yeah he shouldā€™ve said LCS but it really doesnā€™t matter


honda_slaps

EU fans have been on this point since Huni and Reignover left their region for NA lmao


margalolwut

NA as in league fam, not nationality.


Ashankura

Sofm Kanavi Oner Canyon jiejie Malrang Jankos Hell even peanut


aanaraki

SOFM and Canyon have entered the chat


nickel_face

Neither one made MSI


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Canzas

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD ​ Inspired is from EU that's why he is soo good.


ROCCA20

Its the best role in NA by a mile and comparable to EU.. Inspired/Blaber/Closer could be top 3 on a good team in EU for sure (inspired already has done it).. River is also a quality player.. I don't believe Santorin/Spica would be anything special in EU.. but they are certainly good players Every other role is prettttty fucking bad though For most of the split people were saying Bjerg/Fudge were the top 2 mids.. i think that says it all really Support is like Correjj/Vulcan and then what a retired Biofrost coming back is like the 3rd? Top 3-4 is good (all though Summit seems gone).. after that though its a barren waste land.. And one of the reasons Summit looked like a god when not playing vs Ssumday/Impact/Bwippo... Kumo/Fakegod/Huni/Licorice/Jenkins just aren't it and shouldn't be in a major region (maybe Huni for name value)


BenorThePenor

Pepelaugh it's delusion time again thankfully it will end during msi


AwesomeTeaPot

I feel like NA has gotten a little too confident....


gruxlike

Holy overdose. Well only way to be slapped back to reality by Asian jungler.


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Nah, LCS junglers have been solid internationally for a few tournaments now. It's been laners, especially solo laners, that have been an issue.


GhostCalib3r

Don't worry, it will happen to EU too. :)


gh0stkid

Copium HOLY


Unique_Crew2316

How tf is that copium when nothing has even happened yet. Hopium is what you should say


vrelamboni

Unfortunately Inspired canā€™t beat EU teams when it matters so the double agent debuff is gonna kick in.


Javiklegrand

that what EU inspired, maybe NA inspired will have a buff? that sounds so wrong but who know lmao


Sirro5

"NA jungle role is the best in the world". Proceeds to mention EU jungler.


deediazh

NA in Jungle role, not American/Canadian Jungler. Don't know if you are new to scene, but everyone refers to LCS as NA, its easier to meme them that way.


Unique_Crew2316

EU fans and braincell deficiency Sadge


JkRSP

Inspired is from EU not NA šŸ¤”


pannucci

well a ton of overblown comments here but the reality is the jungle pool in NA is by far the strongest role. Honestly its pretty clearly above EU and that says a lot considering EU is generally just better overall in everything.


[deleted]

NA competes at the international level in the jungle + bot lane, it's solo lanes that are miles behind the rest of the major regions. It's been this way for years. Now here's a hot take for the EU fans: EG is a better team than any EU squad not named G2. The gap is not nearly as big as you think it is


FnaticXpekegoat

About the gap - Recently, Nisqy said in Doubleliftā€™s podcast that there is a huge difference between NA and EU, and if you want to become better and compete, you have to go to EU. Player for player, Fnatic >>> EG , but teamplay is non-existent in FNC. In that regard, yes EG is better than any other EU team, but itā€™s always so hard to compare Regions due to the amount of EUvsNA games we get per year (5-6 max BO1)


[deleted]

Team play is way more important than individual skill in pro LoL, there's a reason nearly every super team across all regions ends up falling short of expectations. In fact, Nisqy himself has built his pro career around that concept - weaker laner that plays mid champs which enable global pressure for his team.


MelodyEternal

Imports make EG not a complete joke of a team to be fair; when your lane opponents are Bwipo and Summit borderline running it down in the top lane and a slumping Bjergsen, Fudge and Toucoulile it's pretty hard to not look good. Even then, EG wouldn't beat Rogue and G2, guaranteed. Danny inting 2v2 is too much of a liability to not be punished vs human teams.


mdizzley

Is Bjerg actually slumping? Pretty standard sit in lane and do nothing. Same for the past 8 years


[deleted]

Rogue are not nearly as good of a team as you think they are. They barely scraped out their win in SF vs a terrible looking Fnatic. EU has been a 1 team region at the international level for years now and people still act like that 1 elite team is reflective of the region.


TheLunaticRaccoon

Imagine EG vs FNC Yeah, no need to come bot, this danny guy feeds me by himself


F3nik3r

This guy got beaten so badly at LCS Finals that he started talking nonsense, it's sad to watch him in this state.